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pete_dushenski: ;;later tell asciilifeform http://www.contravex.com/2015/11/10/the-danger-of-unchecked-assumptions-or-the-surprising-depths-of-inequality/#comment-34730
assbot: Logged on 10-11-2015 22:25:29; mircea_popescu: ie, there, "it's not the job of the state to protect the cultural patrimony OF INDIVIDUALS and their clans ; if those individuals and clans are so degenerate, bankrupt and chlorotioc as to no longer be able to protect their heritage, let the worms havce it. no, not even for comunist metaphisics ; no, the property of x isn't "ours", no x's history isn't "ours". let them uphold it or let it die.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-11-2015#1321452 << unless the whole argument hinges on state intervention, in which case... yeah, that's a point.
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assbot: Logged on 10-11-2015 22:23:58; *: mircea_popescu is in principle opposed to scanning books for the same reason he was against the "preservation of historical buidlings" in http://trilema.com/2009/el-ingenioso-hidalgo-don-quijote-de-la-mancha-si-conul-andrei-pippidi/ (and summarized in http://trilema.com/2009/n-am-putea-sa-avem-si-noi/#selection-49.186-53.326 )
punkman: the hedging
pete_dushenski: they're (attempts at) signal, whether valuable or not, useful or not, effective or not
pete_dushenski: that's ~exactly~ what these "social goods" are
pete_dushenski: if you're not talking about fashion, you're missing the point.
pete_dushenski: and a watch is a watch. you see the problem with this line of logic ?
pete_dushenski: tons of people sell cars, those are the numbers. and cars are the 2nd biggest ticket item after houses. and womenz are pretty much always involved, be it wives, gfs, mothers...
pete_dushenski: i am the source of all words !
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: in the same news, 3/4 full pop can knocks white bitchez the fuck out. and black men ~can~ duck
punkman: they accept all kinds of dumps
mircea_popescu: i suspect that's the product.
mircea_popescu: also i saw a man today showering out of a bucket, in front of someone's house. this man... he had tits. and i'm not kidding around, he had a pair of d's on him no girl'd be ashamed with. except they were in the ridiculous shape of manboob
ben_vulpes: while nobody in the wot's issued fatwa against ruby yet, it doth loom.
ben_vulpes: punkman: good to know i'm not the only one thinking about this
ben_vulpes: may all of you involved in the appfolio scam dance for venture capitalists for the rest of your lives. may your children emerge from college bearing hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt. may your development teams never accomplish anything, and may you never know the reason why. may your lives complete devoid of meaning, wasting away in poverty and ignominy.
ben_vulpes: in particular re jon walker of appfolio, adjunct professorship is not a resume bullet. "multiple patents" under the auspices of the usg is not a resume bullet. you had a single job: shipping software that worked, and you failed. you failed spectacularly.
ben_vulpes: brian donahoo, of the "gotomeeting" bitcoin virus
ben_vulpes: but they will drop your regularly scheduled rent payment with no fucking notice
trinque: it must be some new security strategy, like ducks and their false vaginas.
ben_vulpes: not only do they have multiple login paths, some of which do not work and return entirely useless error messages
ben_vulpes: in other news, appfolio is a giant steaming pile of horseshit
pete_dushenski: time to make the man pay for EVERYTHING he's getting
pete_dushenski: myeah, because the patriarchy is totally stealing those free smiles from you
pete_dushenski: "is it time we started forgetting the birthdays too, time we stopped falsely screaming ecstasy, and demanded adequate, formal remuneration for emotion work provided in the workplace as a skill? Now that, right there, would probably be a shake-patriarchy-to-its-core revolution."
pete_dushenski: "“It suggests to me that there is a detachment to home that I do not have the luxury of having. Because if I did, then our everyday life would be a nightmare. So I take on that role. That’s not my authentic self, but I have no choice,” she says."
assbot: 'Women are just better at this stuff': is emotional labor feminism's next frontier? | World news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qhnz2T )
pete_dushenski: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/08/women-gender-roles-sexism-emotional-labor-feminism << the depths of inequality have nothing on the depths of narcissistic noodles (esp. that of females)
pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/TamerlaneBlog/status/664186730451333120 << lol fuckin askjeeves. the original web-based ai !
pete_dushenski: because that's what civil discourse looks like from the bottom of the mountain or something
assbot: Logged on 11-11-2015 00:46:29; gabriel_laddel: Well folks, we're 202 days into MP's sustained attack on Stan's identity, and neither side shows signs of tiring. Meanwhile, the cardano languishes on the sidelines...
trinque: pete_dushenski │ http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-11-2015#1321680 << gabe, you keep track of the weirdest shit y'know << bwahahaha, bullying has delayed the cardano, and not the man reinventing every fucking component along the way?!?!
pete_dushenski: https://archive.is/I11Jn << "Mr. Schneiderman doesn’t see how he can prove harm from fossil fuels. So instead of RICO he appears to be focused on the Martin Act, the appalling New York state law enacted in 1921 to prosecute stock-sale boiler rooms. The Martin Act doesn’t require prosecutors to prove intent to defraud, which is why it was a favorite tool of the Empire State’s disgraced former AG Eliot Spitz
deedbot-: [Trilema] Come see the retard chamber! - http://trilema.com/2015/come-see-the-retard-chamber/
pete_dushenski: https://archive.is/bN7tZ << "60 billion yuan will go toward a new memory chip plant, and 16.2 billion yuan toward acquisitions “upstream and downstream in the microchip supply chain.” The remaining 3.8 billion yuan will go toward Tsinghua Unigroup’s purchase of a 25% stake in Taiwan’s Powertech Technology Inc."
pete_dushenski: "942 days since an accident in the uranium mines"
assbot: Logged on 11-11-2015 00:46:29; gabriel_laddel: Well folks, we're 202 days into MP's sustained attack on Stan's identity, and neither side shows signs of tiring. Meanwhile, the cardano languishes on the sidelines...
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-11-2015#1321680 << gabe, you keep track of the weirdest shit y'know
pete_dushenski: also the one tiger promoted, and thus the one that private club golfers aka 14% aka professional class aka middle-upper-class are most likely to wear
assbot: Logged on 11-11-2015 04:55:53; mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://36.media.tumblr.com/205fc2394e3169753298a37dfdaf8032/tumblr_n71q0qKyOs1r59rt8o1_1280.jpg
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-11-2015#1321780 << wtf is with the mag on that kalash
mircea_popescu: heh, their economy doesn't need stimuli ?
punkman: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-11-10/why-alibaba-is-having-singles-day-in-beijing-for-first-time "Transactions on this year’s event passed 57.1 billion yuan ($9 billion) before midday, eclipsing the 2014 mark with another 12 hours still to go."
mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://36.media.tumblr.com/205fc2394e3169753298a37dfdaf8032/tumblr_n71q0qKyOs1r59rt8o1_1280.jpg
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-11-2015#1321653 << aka the alcubierre space engine
asciilifeform: 'China stops at nothing: incomplete digital Korans and fake pharaoh finds are invading the Egyptian market...'
assbot: Islamization Watch: EGYPT: Chinese Alert, Fake Pharaohs and Incomplete Digital Korans Invade the Market ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qhchfg )
asciilifeform: which are in no actual way distinct in purpose or in effect from the weights found in fraudulent chinese hard disks
asciilifeform: built to 'spray on' the appearance of quality where none exists
punkman: question is, does nobody test the things before making a full factory run
asciilifeform: only this set with the cloth cable.
asciilifeform observed an interesting effect. have two very similar pairs of cheapo headphones, but one emits strange scratchy sounds, other does not. then realized that it is the ~insulation on the cord~ that was at fault
punkman: hmm Uncle Vanya production is visiting, is the play any good?
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-4-2015 << somewhere in there perhaps? i have nfi.
gabriel_laddel: Well folks, we're 202 days into MP's sustained attack on Stan's identity, and neither side shows signs of tiring. Meanwhile, the cardano languishes on the sidelines...
assbot: Logged on 10-11-2015 22:16:48; mircea_popescu: the consequences of the derps "revolutionizing" things are always this one and the same.
punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-11-2015#1321436 << makes one wonder about all the unintended consequences of this revolution
shinohai: You're right BingoBoingo the pic makes it
BingoBoingo: Seriously, now everybody in rf range can sniff their packets
mircea_popescu: then again... republicans, right ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-11-2015#1321394 <<< yeah intel eventually dug out some lines ab out how "hardforking is the future" and it entirely cooled me on the notion monero has any sort of future.
deedbot-: [Qntra] Preet Ups the Charges for Coin.mx Operators - http://qntra.net/2015/11/preet-ups-the-charges-for-coin-mx-operators/
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, the thread was about you saying how nobody should have to reprocess books ; and i made the point that but for the historical accident, one wouldn't even have to process them in the first place.
mircea_popescu: the guy does, the mechanic hammers it one solidly, the camel takes off doing something between scared hare and arrow in flight
mircea_popescu: "put its ballsac on the anvil"
mircea_popescu: "make this one go faster then!"
mircea_popescu: arab guy through the desert
mircea_popescu: dja know the joke ?
mircea_popescu: aha so then.
mircea_popescu: it is in the log via you. is it ?
asciilifeform: that's kinda what the thread was about
mircea_popescu: "usg in the general sense"
asciilifeform: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTCgl3WUAAAXKjv.jpg:large (via vexual.) seems like they finally killed esp8266.
mircea_popescu: there IS NOT SUCH A GENERAL SENSE
asciilifeform: anyway, i need not-having-knuth (or table of motherfucking permeattivity constants, or landau, or,or,or,x10,000) like i need to have my arms and legs and cock chopped.
mircea_popescu: and yes, stupidity is a technology like any other.
mircea_popescu: and NO, idiots are not able to propagate anything without the printing press. which is why prior to it there were 5000 different idiocies summing to 0 and ever since tyhen we've been deluged in organised imbecillity.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but this is the problem of the bloody book. in "removing the requirement for a wot" it creates more problems than it resolves
BingoBoingo: There's more of that idiot's production
shinohai: http://thenextweb.com/gadgets/2015/11/10/pillow-talk-connects-distant-lovers-as-they-drift-to-sleep/ <<< sadly, people will pay to fund shit like this
asciilifeform: so he'd be a point in support of pete_dushenski's hypothesis
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: iirc the moron sold it all
BingoBoingo: Carl Mark Force Model IV has the keys
punkman: somebody has, and they will spend it on eth "development", "conferences", etc
asciilifeform: what now, all of these 'somebodies' are gurus worthy of submission and imitation ?
asciilifeform: and SOMEBODY has the keys.
asciilifeform: why the everliving fuck not.
asciilifeform: when an idiot has xxxxx btc, 'oh but he couldn't possibly have the keyz'
punkman: or maybe never had the keys
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: The danger of unchecked assumptions, or the surprising depths of inequality. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hw9JXz )
asciilifeform: ;;later tell pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2015/11/10/the-danger-of-unchecked-assumptions-or-the-surprising-depths-of-inequality/#comment-34704
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: The danger of unchecked assumptions, or the surprising depths of inequality. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hw8WpF )
asciilifeform: ;;later tell pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2015/11/10/the-danger-of-unchecked-assumptions-or-the-surprising-depths-of-inequality/#comment-34703
gribble: The operation succeeded.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] The danger of unchecked assumptions, or the surprising depths of inequality. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/11/10/the-danger-of-unchecked-assumptions-or-the-surprising-depths-of-inequality/
punkman: asciilifeform: that'd be the braindamaged pack rat approach, and yes, it has adherents << dunno, I like archive.org
asciilifeform: the other thing is that, at least from my perch, nowhere are there symptoms that the folks pushing rousseauism actually read the bloody book
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 3 y.o. finds an uzi, sprays. not the machine's fault
mircea_popescu: i just don't want the easy mistake be made where the stupidity of the children of books today is ascribed to non-bookdom.
asciilifeform: phf: everybody and his mother has a copy of landau
phf: library, therefore"
phf: asciilifeform: right, i'm not arguing your original statement, just trying to understand this part of thread. if i wanted to grok electrodynamics, can get scan, or easier to just walk to friend and get landau of the shelf. doesn't matter that he has millions of other books, or that there's an archive of book scans somewhere. mp's point seems to be that the activity should be treated as tomb raiding either way, rather then "i have a
asciilifeform: this also is sorta what the books are for.
mircea_popescu: or in other words, books, much like plutonium, are liable to make your stupid and your offspring monstruous. handle with care.
mircea_popescu , perfectly willing to wipe books altogether to get rid of rousseau & friendz.
mircea_popescu: damn the dumbass "humanity" all to hell.
mircea_popescu: o know the way. We came at last to a great hall... It was then I realized my companion hadn't been gaining strength. He had been losing what was left of his humanity."
mircea_popescu: "My companion drew in the dank, cold air of the Tomb. It seemed to... strengthen him. I stood in the doorway between Light and Dark. What was left of my sanity implored me not to enter. But that voice... was just a whisper now. As we worked our way down, deeper and deeper into the Crypt, I began to see a change in my companion. He seemed to be gaining strength. I could hardly see in the gloom, but my companion seemed t
asciilifeform: somewhere, in the logz
asciilifeform: (as a demonstrable moving part of the edifice)
asciilifeform: exactly what i was suggesting re: the scanz.
mircea_popescu: loot the tombs at your leisure.
asciilifeform: that'd be the braindamaged pack rat approach, and yes, it has adherents
funkenstein_ once had pictures of dog eating beets. Sadly they were never put on paper so lost after a decade or so.
mircea_popescu: do you need all the ars longa you don't currently have ?
mircea_popescu: what more could there be ?
phf: well, it's very medieval idea (without the negative connotation) or reminiscent of samizdat culture. scans only come when someone asks for a scan, rather then the other way around, i.e. "archiving initiatives"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: talisman of the parachute. it's old, rat-eaten, and has ДОСААФ 1966 printed on it, but ~it's the one you're wearing~ while falling. and you can try to make a new one out of your underwear before you splat, or use that one.
mircea_popescu: and also they were not very good.
jurov: and burning the books helps how?
mircea_popescu: what barbarian apostasy is this, the talisman of book ?
mircea_popescu: not like anyone invented a substitute for actually re-derivign the whole group theory IN YOUR HEAD as part of "grokking" it.
asciilifeform: not having to rederive, e.g., motherfucking group theory, is ~how we actually advance~. not because better classes of human were dropped down from the sky each generation, no. (quite opposite, afaik)
asciilifeform: but none of it can happen without the scanz!
asciilifeform: the translation, reading, GROKKING, etc. are very time consuming. i expect to spend most of my life on it.
phf: is the idea that ascii can read book, or whatever, can even give me copy to read, or whatever, but ultimately there's not going to be library of b-a, because only relevant knowledge is whatever ascii or i (in this example) say in the logs, how we got there is our own business?
mircea_popescu: (i lie, i never read the actual book, it was online or it wouldn't have existed.)
mircea_popescu: and im not linking to the book. because, elementary, can't. because IT is fucking islam.
mircea_popescu: i dug whatever, the giving tree out of a book too.
asciilifeform: and could have otherwise spent my whole life rediscovering it
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ they ARE lost.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ill be sure to recall this if we dispute computers in the future :)
asciilifeform: i personally picked up too many of these to list. and they will live for at least as long as i do.
mircea_popescu: the us experience again is informative.
mircea_popescu: as it's the precondition to culture in general.
mircea_popescu: kinda why/how that "ustards keep rebranding things" article came about. the comment in the house of mp was "check these idiots out, like the second coming of some castrated soviets"
asciilifeform: then only because of this.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, it was gauss'. the romanians sat omn the sidelines poking fun at the russians.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, i betcha you learned 'ostrogradsky's' and not 'gauss's' theorem.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, "america" (the ideal construct, that never really existed) SCANNED the fucking europe books.
mircea_popescu: like women marry. no rights for the people of books.
mircea_popescu: this is important. the defeated tribe does not get to live on through "scanning".
mircea_popescu: so put it in there. but mind what i said : RETELL.
asciilifeform: it isn't in the log until it is.
mircea_popescu: if it's in the logs it gets to live.
mircea_popescu: i'm not scanning fucking accra idols, either. i piss on them instead. they make fine urinals, for a very good reason.
mircea_popescu: unless they come back out from the graves and make books matter again, they get burried with them.
mircea_popescu: ie, there, "it's not the job of the state to protect the cultural patrimony OF INDIVIDUALS and their clans ; if those individuals and clans are so degenerate, bankrupt and chlorotioc as to no longer be able to protect their heritage, let the worms havce it. no, not even for comunist metaphisics ; no, the property of x isn't "ours", no x's history isn't "ours". let them uphold it or let it die.
mircea_popescu is in principle opposed to scanning books for the same reason he was against the "preservation of historical buidlings" in http://trilema.com/2009/el-ingenioso-hidalgo-don-quijote-de-la-mancha-si-conul-andrei-pippidi/ (and summarized in http://trilema.com/2009/n-am-putea-sa-avem-si-noi/#selection-49.186-53.326 )
asciilifeform: sorta like it's the year 1000 again.
mircea_popescu: not "technically" and not "desperate". the word is "in yo' face, foos!" and "you are poor for a reason, and that reason is you suck."
mircea_popescu: the consequences of the derps "revolutionizing" things are always this one and the same.
assbot: Logged on 10-11-2015 15:29:16; punkman: "A wealthy, elderly man, for example, could technically marry the father of his daughter’s children. This would enable an estate of any size to pass tax-free into the next generation on the older man’s death. After his elderly “husband” had died, of course, the younger man would be free to marry the daughter, with the estate thus secured intact."
mircea_popescu: see, libtard camp falling over itself on the score of "who shall profit from this event".
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> lmao, the media is "a mizzou institution" ? << "Top Journalism School"(TM)(R)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but you understand how every urgency is the result of bad design, right ?
assbot: Logged on 10-11-2015 22:09:41; mircea_popescu: ok, so via plane you get there faster. whatever. what if you're not the sort of infantile imbecile that has to get places fast ?
mircea_popescu: the media's everyone's enemy, doh.
mircea_popescu: lmao, the media is "a mizzou institution" ?
mircea_popescu: "In a truly weird turn, the Mizzou story now seems to have rotated into a battle between activists and another Mizzou institution: the media."
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mircea_popescu: sure. but on the speed/size continuum all choices are arbitrary. you don't don a spacesuit to be shot to new york.
mircea_popescu: what if what's important is to get there with three women and a library in woprking order, while having your evening port in comfort ?
mircea_popescu: ok, so via plane you get there faster. whatever. what if you're not the sort of infantile imbecile that has to get places fast ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-11-2015#1321251 << in honesty i never quite understood the "scrap boats" thing in the 30s/40s. or rather, why in the 50s they didn't fix it.
asciilifeform: but partly that you don't nuke something that nobody will be making any more of, and which you ~like having~ enough to want to go through the bother of a scan
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: actually not a single one of my ru scans looks like the result of cutting spine & sheetfed
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> again those tend to be findable in clean scan ALREADY << But yes, reason these are available in clean scan is exactly not fancy "book scannzors" but likely sensible people who know to lop the spine off and just do the sheetfed thing.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> and otherwise you're nuking something worth 300-500 usd << For this you want a sewn hardcover to unsew, or a page flipping monkey
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: generally, the books for which this option is attractive are ~already~ on warez << Sure
asciilifeform: (depending on the b00k)
asciilifeform: and otherwise you're nuking something worth 300-500 usd
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: generally, the books for which this option is attractive are ~already~ on warez
BingoBoingo: <copypaste> I thought it had all the moving parts of a pro one; automatic page turning and so on << Faster still is cutting the spine off of book and using sheet fed scanner
assbot: U.S. charges three in huge cyberfraud targeting JPMorgan, others| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1knkrpx )
funkenstein_: maybe not exactly the same but appears to also be related to dynamic linking to whatever happens to be there in openSSL
funkenstein_: is that a repeat of the block 168000 fork?
mircea_popescu: not yet old enough to own his own goat, something pashtun kid passed with flying colors age 11. but hey, maybe "we" "need" to spend more on "education". clearly it's been doing wonders for them.)
mircea_popescu: (the above is, incidentally, the whole reason and rationale of the diamond ring, and the fact this point is never made in oh-so-edgy and libertarded discussions of the habit plainly indicates for me just how much of women do the incels in question understand, and what miserable family heads they;'d make.
mircea_popescu: even tho they're an advertiser.
mircea_popescu: which, in the kind of the sort of woman that doesn't even own her own suit, is precisely how it goes. "real me = motherhood" or some bs.
asciilifeform: ah, and the charity 'could not possibly like my tits,' ergo - genuine ..?
asciilifeform: or do i just lack the necessary lsd here.
asciilifeform: where is the 'human element' or whatnot
asciilifeform: baby in the bath wants finger, but won't grab the faucet - how does the charity thing work
mircea_popescu: it's there in mythology as well, for the 50% of the heroic population that's battling cunted demons in their head.
mircea_popescu: so, give her this supervaluable unique important trinket that can focus the love and good will of the community for her.
asciilifeform: and that the moneyed ladies who buy ersatz chocolate in a train station for the cost of its weight in plutonium, ought to pay for this
mircea_popescu: you don't understand how the ring works.
asciilifeform: sorta implies that there is this silent mass of downtrodden mill gurlz or somesuch who could have the coveted american dream (tm) Respectable Job, if only she could afford a new skirt...
asciilifeform: the 2nd photo is even lulzier
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol, recall the indian kid ? with an idea ? for an app ?
mircea_popescu: i wonder what the libtards will do when they discover the machines actually like their enemies much better than them
asciilifeform: 3) could always just decide that books are for the birds, and that the congo is an acceptable standard of civilization.
asciilifeform: for completeness, and because mircea_popescu is asleep, i will mention the third,
asciilifeform: which is why a proper w4r3z infrastructure is essential. folks will scan if they have some notion that the result will be taken up and live.
asciilifeform: 1) there are NOT so many books worth keeping!
asciilifeform: at least not the $15k one i used some years ago
assbot: Logged on 10-11-2015 13:30:52; copypaste: I've seen current professional book scanners, they are huge and cost $10K USD minimum
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-11-2015#1321262 << and they don't flip pages, either
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-11-2015#1321246 << can't wait for the 'hyooooooman rightz!!!!111' nato bootlicks to help this fella emigrate to usa and practice his fascinating 'art' in washington.