mircea_popescu: fortunately, so does the us itself.
mircea_popescu: everything in the us gets its own september.
mircea_popescu: originally, it was a very different crowd than the mancave type of dudes post vhs.
mircea_popescu: phf that culture got raped about as badly as "gays" got destroyed by the faux-gays of the "rights movement".
phf: was looking at the 60s photos of hells angels, all of them skinny. which by the dates the spittoon story, since "fat bikers"
BingoBoingo: If it is chemical weird off patent mallinckrodt makes it, which is why China is eating their lunch
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Here in my experience they admonish, shame, and "train" things that ought not be trained
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 06:12:28; BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Here it's they have they money and power over other people's access to money, so why not become monsters
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-11-2015#1323899 << also wtf was this about, hr are these poor devils who shuffle papers
asciilifeform: in ru they're thin still.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: i dun think i've ever seen this. << have you checked the gutter down by the river?
mircea_popescu: "properly broke", like the true scotsman, is not a thing of this world.
BingoBoingo: The truly broke here do lean out
asciilifeform: in a hole from which there is no ladder.
BingoBoingo: Well you live in a different part of the zoo's anatomy
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu were awake, he might say 'poor and stupid is the same' and i can't say that he's wrong, but to try to put an arrow of causality in either direction is imho stark nonsense
asciilifeform: can't speak for BingoBoingo, but i don't think i've ever seen epicly, memorably fat people outside of places where dirt poor folk habitually gather
asciilifeform: and have the face of war.
asciilifeform: and i bet their hr chix are thin.
BingoBoingo: And the Boeing and Monsanto
BingoBoingo: Sure, in the lead mines
asciilifeform: there's money in mizuri ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Here it's they have they money and power over other people's access to money, so why not become monsters
asciilifeform: in nebraskalabama, cis-kensaw, whatever, they're stuck eating petrogreaseburgers
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: close to the printing press, the vermin can afford to... remain thin (yes)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it's the money
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> (if it does not, try not sleeping for a spell) << usually does the trick
asciilifeform: even if could get out from under the arse
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-11-2015#1323700 << thart doesn't explain the david shield does it. << k, that's just gotta be retard locals
asciilifeform: these fish-like creatures
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: fwiw in my own experience it's the opposite
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 05:12:10; mircea_popescu: do you know what informs their position, in all cases, then as now ? the same thing : they thought it's good because it seemed impopssible. you tihnk it's bad because it seems easy. that's the whole charade.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-11-2015#1323735 << i would happily move to the ar where mircea_popescu lives, but i will happily be shot in the head three times before i move to the ar where the argentines live.
asciilifeform: this thing where the afflicted tries to avoid the realization that the buttons are no longer (or worse, were never) plugged into anything -- is probably in tlp somewhere
asciilifeform: or that their names had a reason to be distinct names
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 05:34:17; mircea_popescu: "If Republicans continue to moan about "liberal bias" and "losing the culture wars" without mustering the courage to do something about it à la Ben Carson's stoppage of funding or Glenn Reynolds's abolition of aristocratic loopholes for Ivy League tithing then the whole notion of higher education is going to be lost."
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-11-2015#1323793 << oh and this also reminds me of my grandfolks who thought, to the chagrin of younger folk, that the talking heads of late '80s su ~counted somehow~
asciilifeform: 'set up us the bomb' (tm) (r)
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 05:27:05; mircea_popescu: "from my tower built out of old fishwraps atop slightly fresher fishwraps, the chinese freedom of navigation exercises all around japan are entirely invisible"
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-11-2015#1323762 << wake me up when the middle kingdom births (yes DESIGNS on MACHINES OF OWN DESIGN) a cpu that can eat the britneychain
asciilifeform: the sponge is this very particular custom thing, it isn't of much use as a sponge in the bath
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 05:10:56; mircea_popescu: what the rats in the burning hole imagine the outside is, and what the outside is are different matters.
mircea_popescu: anyway, im not gonna waste the night hunting this, instead, i think ima translate rabinul si oaia.
mircea_popescu: which does not help with the search ;/
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-11-2015#1323700 << thart doesn't explain the david shield does it.
asciilifeform: but there.
mircea_popescu: the subversion will be complete ou ne sera pas.
asciilifeform: came in the very odd 'letter' size env. with plastic window
mircea_popescu: said so right on the form, "you can be whatever"
asciilifeform: it is sorta lulzy, my father actually thought he could be an engineer in usa
mircea_popescu: jesus fuck, we're digging in the past decades like it's postgraduade class in etruscan art.
asciilifeform: the folks who could add and subtract, say.
mircea_popescu: once dead it becomes apparent, but to no further use to him
mircea_popescu: the principal problem of man, as an alive, in vivo beast, is that he has no fucking idea.
asciilifeform: the competent folks who could leave - left; who could turn profiteer - did; etc
mircea_popescu: who tothe what now ?
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 05:10:37; mircea_popescu: the "defectors" that didn't get killed (seriously, who the fuck is going to shoot ricin at you for leaving the us ?) mostly picked up trash. if lucky, ran cabs.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-11-2015#1323732 << now this is true. but the defection gave su its 'control shot' in the head nonetheless.
mircea_popescu: if the republicans don't act!
mircea_popescu: fancy that! that's exactly what is ~going to~ happen! the whole notion! will be lost!
mircea_popescu: "If Republicans continue to moan about "liberal bias" and "losing the culture wars" without mustering the courage to do something about it à la Ben Carson's stoppage of funding or Glenn Reynolds's abolition of aristocratic loopholes for Ivy League tithing then the whole notion of higher education is going to be lost."
mircea_popescu: o the death and taxes dood ?
asciilifeform: garret something or other...?
asciilifeform: where was hanbot's article about the jail
mircea_popescu: some respek for the erotically electro cuties!
mircea_popescu: sounds a lot like taking the governor of missouri as some sort of relevant political force.
mircea_popescu: i personaly suspect the only reason we even know the name of that B actor in the nazi state is that he was the first/only/most coherent man the brits could find in uniform.
asciilifeform: no 'any' in there
mircea_popescu: "in any set of one bottle all the things are a bottle!"
mircea_popescu: do you do a lot of this begging the question and implying the conclusions business ?
asciilifeform: whaddayawant, it's a jail, cans of sardines are currency, usg is the only economic actor here, yes
mircea_popescu: "from my tower built out of old fishwraps atop slightly fresher fishwraps, the chinese freedom of navigation exercises all around japan are entirely invisible"
asciilifeform always wondered if the fscking frog was named for him
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: where i live, psychosis 'is' sanity. as in, the furniture ~is~ glued to the ceiling, the folks with the ~normal~ vestibular ear are the ones throwing chunkz
mircea_popescu: fucking united states of kermit are an "economic actor" now, fancy that. what do they act, the chinese handpuppet ?
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 03:17:59; asciilifeform: all i can say is that usg is the only major economic actor remaining, or at least in so far as is visible from my dismal tower
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-11-2015#1323639 << the degree of psychosis required for this is not curable outside of solaris-level sleep deprivation.
mircea_popescu: jesus the delusion is strong with this one, he goes to sleep, comes back with it whole.
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 03:16:17; asciilifeform: if it's at supplying clean water out of the tap - it sorta works
BingoBoingo: But can they in two decades?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the problem with this is that the javascript "coder" without an eye and with two amputated legs will sit on an old skateboard and try to get rentacoder javascript work to pay his hospital bills.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: re:nailbat, I interpreted that as when you take your physical trip to the US to play around in New Reno at some point in the future
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-11-2015#1323630 << you need a very weird thought process to at the same time discount all the NUMEROUS idiots with nail marks all over the face and somehow hallucinate some imaginary protection for the remainder through a concerted, name-able agency. really, usg protected all the vermin i didn't yet get to ?
mircea_popescu: albert who ? speer, the nazi architect ? looky here : at the time the action was coherent there was no conflict. by the time there was conflict coherent action was practically absent. what have you done here, averaged over two decades ?
mircea_popescu: anyway. real men don't need more than what they carry with themselves. that's what fucking distinguishes them from women.
mircea_popescu: so she sits around with idiots that don't know how to wash properly (no, they don't OPT to not wash properly, they simply don't know how to do it, through parental neglect) and cuts class.
mircea_popescu: all the cunning of a pubescent female, trying to get what it perceives it can't have while discounting with both hands what's easy to get.
mircea_popescu: do you know what informs their position, in all cases, then as now ? the same thing : they thought it's good because it seemed impopssible. you tihnk it's bad because it seems easy. that's the whole charade.
mircea_popescu: and the rats are ALWAYS imbecile. take you, for instqance : you imagine the outside "is bad". take them, for instance. they imagined the outside "is good". BOTH entirely, utterly and completely wrong, on an objective basis. but objective has absolutely nothing to do with it.
mircea_popescu: what the rats in the burning hole imagine the outside is, and what the outside is are different matters.
mircea_popescu: the "defectors" that didn't get killed (seriously, who the fuck is going to shoot ricin at you for leaving the us ?) mostly picked up trash. if lucky, ran cabs.
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 03:10:49; asciilifeform: su had a ready warm place for all the competent folks to ~defect~ (DEFECT, not flee like rats and into pederasty, but fucking defect) to
mircea_popescu: then a coupla years later went into an epidemy of doing it, because hey, the sure mark of the insecure faggot is pretending superiority while attempting immitation.
mircea_popescu: that was a lulzdefacement on trilema years ago. the "romanian blogging community" ie a few dozen derps with shitty jobs in media was rather indignant that o noes, such desperation, to mis en scene your own defacement!!
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 03:02:58; asciilifeform: i'm actually kind surprised that none of these dns records suddenly decided to point to dhs 'confiscated!1111' page, quite yet
mircea_popescu: well the website works, at least.
assbot: Logged on 13-11-2015 22:25:14; pete_dushenski: i'm proposing that they come here and, if they so desire, have a voice actor play the role of interviewee for the program
assbot: Logged on 13-11-2015 21:46:32; pete_dushenski: said podcast, "let's talk bitcoin" may also be interested in talking to BingoBoingo and asciilifeform regarding their respective projects.
mircea_popescu: in other news, the new registrar does not actually handle .ws or .bz apparently. so i got a bunch of other domains for proxies, whatevs.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform no way this works on ie6. vendor prolly tested it on latest chrome . << In the last year and a half this seems to become "OMG NEW BEST PRAKATIZ"
phf: i bought phantasmagoria of a stand in VDNKh back when the place was basically a giant electronics store, mixed with retrofuturist curio (holographic art exhibition! plasma globes!). it was a, heavily discounted, non-pirated version, but it took me forever to save up
asciilifeform: 'cause they didn't fit through a 28k modem, naturally
asciilifeform never had any of the voice cd vers
asciilifeform: the voice version aha
asciilifeform: wtf do you need the cdrom drive for !??
phf: (and there are stats somewhere on thinkwiki)
phf: i've been trying to track it down for a while now, was curious if you've had a personal experience with one. i suspect there are very few actual units around, though ebay has a steady supply of replacement parts
phf: it's a fanless 486, one of the first "multimedia" laptops, i.e. has cdrom and midi chip. seems like the kind of device to play sierra games on
asciilifeform: mats: where's the salt ?
asciilifeform: any of them.
asciilifeform: mats: you can't count them because no public face.
mats: the number of shops that don't, I can count on one hand
asciilifeform: mats: and i remembered that i already lost respect, when i learned that they run shitblowz internally
trinque: I don't care what work I do on this side of things; the stars were already coming unglued from the sky by the time I was born.
asciilifeform: but i'd still rather not perish in salt mine.
asciilifeform: trinque: none of the folks calling give a tinker's damn re: 'sane computing' or b-a reich or whatnot. they just want good ol'fashioned reversing.
asciilifeform: in fact, i will lose all respect for k. if i ever learn that they did so.
trinque: furthermore if I were an ogre allergic to sane computing, I would eat a man describing it
asciilifeform: (apparently not everyone got the memo that i'm a dalit)
asciilifeform: but here, my phone's been ringing off the hook for a week, and it almost always turned out to be usg folks
asciilifeform: all i can say is that usg is the only major economic actor remaining, or at least in so far as is visible from my dismal tower
trinque: attaches them to something else
trinque: and perhaps someone breaks them off in whole chunks
asciilifeform: if it's at supplying clean water out of the tap - it sorta works
trinque: if such a thing can be described, and it's not some other messier topology
trinque: but we're discussing the logistics of massive empire
asciilifeform: and since mircea_popescu is asleep, i must fill in for him and '... REAL MEN don't need warm places! they live on flesh of their enemies, and tree bark! in orbit!'
trinque: how does one get coherent action out of a thing where there is so much internal conflict?
asciilifeform: su had a ready warm place for all the competent folks to ~defect~ (DEFECT, not flee like rats and into pederasty, but fucking defect) to
asciilifeform: if it is not clear why the difference matters, consider,
asciilifeform: other - not.
trinque: has the same problems
trinque: I fail to see how USG panopticon megastate can live any longer than the soviet megastate
gribble: The operation succeeded.
trinque: don't know, there were a lot of guys dressed up just like soldiers in the streets in france today
trinque: so why would they
asciilifeform: i'm actually kind surprised that none of these dns records suddenly decided to point to dhs 'confiscated!1111' page, quite yet
mircea_popescu: i now see the wisdom of your deed.
mircea_popescu: well, some of them.
asciilifeform: e.g., domains with their name, etc
mircea_popescu: "Sergey Kabarukhin" << and they outsourced tech support to .ua
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 02:35:56; mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes dude get out, what consumers. this is a pro biz if there ever was one.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-11-2015#1323561 << afaik this is not so. derps buy domains like there's no tomorrow, for no apparent reason
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what do you expect from a usg ministry. of course they have torchlight parades and weird masonic ritual
mircea_popescu: the people "buying" domains like slug.dance are 98743985743987 people who ARE GOING TO, and 3 idiots that do.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes may i remind you of the "cryptsy couldn't move a bitcoin because doesn't have a bitcoin" ?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: the people buying domains like slug.dance
mircea_popescu: omfg but they have all the dnssec theatre ! !!! they;'re so credible, with their "And then we boot the single failure point laptop from ~~~a dvd~~~" bullshit.
asciilifeform behind the idiot www stack timez
trinque: silver bullet then
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes dude get out, what consumers. this is a pro biz if there ever was one.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck ok'd this is still a mystery my head can't wrap around.
mircea_popescu: just, this fucktardation is beyond the pale. it has TO WORK.
asciilifeform: betcha he puts on a particular robe of mourning for the occasion
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i'm told there are times when even rms runs js !
ben_vulpes: the day mircea_popescu ran javascript
asciilifeform: 'nosuchlabs' is there, that is
asciilifeform: still there.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i'm rich. money insulates people. TO THEIR DETRIMENT.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if only. the fucktard's going to die alone like the raymond nobody loves.
asciilifeform: ... and the nephews have nephews ?
mircea_popescu: anyway. i suppose what i do here is ima log in from a play box sometime, and push all the domains away in one session.
ben_vulpes: or like pick i don't know any other web tech tar baby
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's what they said.
asciilifeform: if it worked, there'd be approx. 0 'help-wanted'
asciilifeform: the one interesting observation here is that this mostly-not-works thing is the essential characteristic of 'job-creating' tech
mircea_popescu: the interpreter!
ben_vulpes: which as trinque says is a feature of the whole thing.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes lost business + maintenance = "technology of progress is the future"
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: and we haven't even gotten to the maintenance cost of this shit.
asciilifeform: the folks discussed earlier don't sit and look for tickets. they get golden parachuted and immediately hop to next gig
mircea_popescu: like they come for mfa/spammers.
mircea_popescu: so they came right ?
mircea_popescu: meanwhile you're looking for a meal ticket because the checks came.
asciilifeform: they come.
mircea_popescu: they don't fucking keep coming.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dude get the fuck off, you know what % of us corps fail ? you know average lifespan ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is trivially explained by 'fat cheques keep coming, while the rusty nail bat is always tomorrow and tomorrow'
mircea_popescu: seriously, let the dumbass tech kids get away with this stupid shit ?
mircea_popescu: it's beyong me how the business people can be this abandonware level stupid.
ben_vulpes: maybe that data comes over the wire on app boot up
ben_vulpes: maybe there's an endpoint you can curl to get your domain list
mircea_popescu: im going to break into their fucking servers just to read my lousy domain list ?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu's trying to reason about the browser shitstack
ben_vulpes: if it's weird data in the actual database, i fire up a goddamn sql terminal.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i haven't seen many things that i could reproduce in the production environment that i couldn't reproduce in my local environments, but even for weirdness showing up in production that needs debugging there, i run the application in the browser to get it to the bad state, attach to the code running on the server (however that works for $turdlang), and inspect what the browser is doing and how the server responds.
mircea_popescu: the nation of humanity ?
asciilifeform: it is always, in the end, wireshark
mircea_popescu: suppose the "data isn';t right". you know you load it somehow.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: prolly something like the pure-http version of 'gmail'
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: do you know what he means by "spigot the actual tech people use"?
asciilifeform: me neither...
asciilifeform wonders if mircea_popescu realizes that the design space of http slides inevitably into this kind of insanity
ben_vulpes: oh i'm sure it's crucial to the functioning of some AWESOME tool
mircea_popescu: as if there's really any point to it.
mircea_popescu: check that stupid shit out, they gotta have a ?v=garbage approach to css because reddit does it and so they gotta be professional.
mircea_popescu: in all my interactions with idiocy to date (and this is very banal and ancient idiocy, nothing novel here) there's always a spigot the actual tech people use.
ben_vulpes: go find the api client js file and read through that. if you're lucky enough they factored the js so cleanly that you can find the api endpoints.
mircea_popescu: uh. isn't there a standard way you people do this ? like, hm, how should i explain myself.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes either you're proposing it guesses the data, or else it gets the data from the server.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: likely thing is that the box returns 'json' turds (javascript lists populated with crud)
ben_vulpes: that you don't load either
ben_vulpes: other script tags
mircea_popescu: how do i normallty access "the deps" ?
mircea_popescu: right, but in general, how do i just hook into the datastream of this bs.
ben_vulpes: very little html is sent over the wire
mircea_popescu: OF CUFING FORSE there's urls.
mircea_popescu: and the server itself is still running http
mircea_popescu: but javascript is still run in the browser, right ?
ben_vulpes: okay well a js application contains the state of user interaction with the "app". when it *needs* to talk to the server, it makes api calls for data and then renders that or does calculations or whatever might need to be done.
mircea_popescu: what, they have a special non-http server ?