mircea_popescu: sounds more like the reverse. people wouldn't give out their ccv to random outfit so they "support paypal".
punkman: 2checkout doesn't push their card payments through paypal, so it's more like alt-paypal. people would use them because they'd allow idiots.
mircea_popescu: lol did they actually invest something ?
mircea_popescu: so not-themselves. so "bitpay for paypal". k.
punkman: like other card payment processors that are not banks?
mircea_popescu: in other news, https://www.2checkout.com/blog/article/bitcoin-101-the-invisible-uninsurable-currency-of-the-internet-is-still-kic/
punkman: BingoBoingo: what the hell is an Advanced Practice Practicioner?
assbot: Are you Liable: The Truth About APPs - Emergency Physicians Monthly ... ( http://bit.ly/1MPcwf8 )
BingoBoingo: "One young lady informed me that I was being hurtful. Thats the new word for those who lack the intellectual resources to fight back. Hypersensitivity is the surest sign of mediocrity." >> http://epmonthly.com/article/are-you-liable-the-truth-about-apps/
mircea_popescu: it's another thing to be able to verify in practice.
mircea_popescu: it's one thing to think "oh, there's nothing special about reddit/tardstalk/whatever. they're all like that."
asciilifeform goes back to the pressurized bathyscaph where this doesn't exist
asciilifeform: 'Rioting. does it actually effect change? / Male Privilege and Female Stigma / Is the Justice System Failing? / Obligation to shave legs and one's choice of hoisery. / Trigger Warnings - Courtesy or Avoidance? / "Owning" E-books / Gender and Sexuality Shaming at its Worst'
mircea_popescu: !up TheEarthVolta
trinque: !up TheEarthVolta
liquidassets: Easier than gutting the griffin I suppose
mircea_popescu: it's been down since the prev discussion.
assbot: Logged on 17-11-2015 01:24:21; mircea_popescu: there is ~no relation between numbers on websites and bitcoin price.
asciilifeform: and 100k is the coke machine.
kakobrekla: the diff between 1k and 10k would be the diff between buying chinese crap and buying a plane, if you dont like numbers.
mircea_popescu: actually, this would be useful for a change economics research. obviously lice agreement on lice-ing only works provided the largest lice is cutting his own throat. but by what factor ?
mircea_popescu: the saudis pretend so
adlai: except not quite market price, there
kakobrekla: the cans
asciilifeform: what i was wondering is why the leaning is as light as it is.
mircea_popescu: the usg version of reality works fine for just as long nobody leans on it. like all cardboard.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> incidentally what's to stop the fella <<< last time someone tried this (not even 1k) was last week.
asciilifeform: you poked a hole, they plugged it.
asciilifeform: adlai: the buggers don't like bleeding money any more than you and i
asciilifeform: if the mircea_popescu-price were so much higher than the 300 plebe-price, one would see orgies of sybilling ?
assbot: Logged on 13-11-2014 19:06:33; asciilifeform: bip64, aside from complicating the protocol and giving relevance to the gavin shitgang, is also a jam-tomorrow chumpatronic engineering structural element
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-11-2015#1325602 << incidentally what's to stop the fella with the 10m from sybilling into a herd of 1,001 schmucks who buy at 300 ?
adlai: they let me withdraw fiat to a bank account, chargeback happened, i tried topping up the account with cc because aforementioned bank account was unavailable... and once the last cc charge went through, they locked the account
asciilifeform: can't wait for hitler to join the wot, rate people...
adlai: it's fine, irl plastic works like a champ. makes me feel part of the printing press itself
asciilifeform: notice how gateways which potentially convert cc-usd to benjie-usd (e.g., 'paypal', 'square', the 1,001 spampaypals) tend to have ~very~ fascist controls)
asciilifeform: as a student i once tried to put tuition on a cc (to claim the 'reward pts' naturally) and even this caused grumbling
mircea_popescu: back in 1985 you could open a store with the stock on credit.
mircea_popescu: headed that way for a whiole now, EXACTLY under the pressure of "worthless dollars"
asciilifeform: almost there even now.
asciilifeform: or so the story went.
asciilifeform: so a few schmucks bought'em, then deposited, paid the cc bill, and pocketed the 1-5% 'reward points'
asciilifeform: at one point, iirc, the usa mint 'sold' coins using cc
asciilifeform: folks have built, briefly, 'arse-mouth systems' in the past:
mircea_popescu: myeah. the thing's visibly cancerous.
asciilifeform finds the politics of creditcardism interesting because it is one of the places where bezzle meets actual physical reality, and the interface between the two produces some lulzy effects
asciilifeform thought that sucking ~in~ the car, literally, was a thing impoverished usians did
asciilifeform: same way other stolen cars are disposed of.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the only way you're selling that is if you drive it across the border.
assbot: ACH payments, payee able to have last 3 payments returned simply by claiming they are fraudulent? : Entrepreneur ... ( http://bit.ly/1MSaNBl )
asciilifeform: the separation between 'chargebackable' usd and the proper kind on cc is older than bitcoin, and originally existed to keep schmucks from paying off one card with another
asciilifeform: rather it'll be something like 'buy mercedes on credit in usd, sell for btc to some idiot'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i know that the 'official' price is a fiction. but this was not the evidence for my hypothesis.
mircea_popescu: the point remains : like in 1986 su, in 2015 us if you don't steal yourself, your neighbour will.
mircea_popescu: so then your "<asciilifeform> not even american monkeys, but ru carders " line has 0 to do.
asciilifeform: motherfucking corpses not even cold
asciilifeform: 'Mike Morell, former deputy director of the Central Intelligence Agency, opened the door for more fighting about encryption by stating that a public debate was needed. "We have in a sense had a public debate. That -- that debate was defined by Edward Snowden, right, and the concern about privacy. I think we're now going to have another debate about that. It's going to be defined by what happened in Paris," he said.' <<< ahahah
asciilifeform: so for me, yes, it is the price.
mircea_popescu: methinks you got the wrong direction.
jurov: mircea_popescu: can i exchange you 1 btc for 1k eur next time then?
mircea_popescu: there is ~no relation between numbers on websites and bitcoin price.
asciilifeform: if indeed this is so, buterin must have one hell of a waterfall to keep the price three figures
mircea_popescu: they are working at it.
mircea_popescu: no, the monkeys aren't cleanning it out because mental issues. of this sort.
asciilifeform: (or the monkeys would be cleaning it out)
asciilifeform: afaik the correct way to steal it is with straight cash loans (e.g. 'remortgage' etc)
mircea_popescu: they WILL steal it.
mircea_popescu: no ifs or butts about it. the less you steal, the more is there for your neighbour to steal.
mircea_popescu: if you can buy bitcoin on credit in the us and ARE NOT buying bitcoin on credit in the us, you are being raped by all the people who do.
asciilifeform: not because schmucks will run to antarctica, but - elementarily - because anyone running cc for coin gets buried under an ocean of carders and the inevitable chargebacks
assbot: Logged on 17-11-2015 01:16:02; mircea_popescu: https://reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3sy7vg/buying_100000_in_btc_with_credit_cards_fleeing/ << meanwhile the sheeple are even starting to figure it out.
asciilifeform: possibly the paragraph was lifted ?
asciilifeform hasn't seen the last 2 or 3 qntras on account of ddos
asciilifeform: (they use archive.is ...)
asciilifeform: perhaps i can put it in the garden as compost or something
mircea_popescu: check it out alf, you were here for three years, will be left holding the abandoned pieces of a usg that even the last of the class of public highschool long leeched.
asciilifeform: 'In a story by the New York Times, later removed without explanation [archive], the situation in Paris was used to reignite the encryption debate.' << l0lz
mircea_popescu: https://reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3sy7vg/buying_100000_in_btc_with_credit_cards_fleeing/ << meanwhile the sheeple are even starting to figure it out.
asciilifeform: or does it have to be on the red square, publicly, with cameras rolling and anthems playing.
asciilifeform: but now the 'innovatorz!!111111111!!11' can claim it.
assbot: Logged on 16-11-2015 23:50:20; BingoBoingo: And more homomorphs http://science.slashdot.org/story/15/11/16/2129258/microsoft-to-provide-new-encryption-algorithm-for-the-healthcare-sector
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-11-2015#1325506 << classic 'theft of theft'. search in ciphered text is a 1990s result.
jurov: i'm asking if there is any connection
kakobrekla: wheres the connection?
jurov: BTCTM: BTC-TC coming back from the dead?
jurov: !up TheEarthVolta
BingoBoingo: The watermelon field thing might happen next month for all I know
mircea_popescu: oh check it out, the ants are swarming.
kakobrekla: yes and then what?
kakobrekla: what are they going to do, ddos isis?
BingoBoingo: Fuck, why does all the fun news have to drop during downtime
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo that reads to me like "ford to provide new thermodynamics for construction industry"
mircea_popescu: o brother it's all coming back to me
assbot: Microsoft To Provide New Encryption Algorithm For the Healthcare Sector - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1j4aATP )
BingoBoingo: And more homomorphs http://science.slashdot.org/story/15/11/16/2129258/microsoft-to-provide-new-encryption-algorithm-for-the-healthcare-sector
ben_vulpes: not to be confused with the "hubculture" "ven"
mircea_popescu: but hopefully isis reformats their dumb ass in short order.
mircea_popescu: there are of course the sort of fucktards like for instance came out of the woodwork with the blender foundation debacle who are so invested in making the world suck that they're natural allies for shit like paypal.
jurov: must be some kind of waterfall going there, too
jurov: they ask 2x more fees than credit card companies, yet looks like accepting money through them is much more dangerous
mircea_popescu: the only difference is that in 1415 his workproduct could buy you the world, and in 2015 it's at best a curio.
mircea_popescu: just like the blacksmith that made the "best steel" of 1415 is for all anyone knows/cares still in the same smoky shed down the same muddy road doing the same grumbly job of it.
mircea_popescu: neither carry any cultural importance, and so in this sense paypal was broken.
mircea_popescu: the point is that the paypal power of the 2005s was broken, and now they're reduced to being a sort of etsy beenz, except for a slightly larger etsy called ebay.
mircea_popescu: garden gnomes is the bigger market.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: did i somehow sleep through a death of the ebay monopoly ?
mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> or is this merely another army of the undead thing << it is. bitcoin killed paypal, maggots trying to get a piece.
ascii_field: that doesn't need chumps in the usual sense
ascii_field: i still don't grasp the proliferation of spampaypals
mircea_popescu: casual stupid, the look for this summer.
ascii_field: dont bother , it's a snore
mircea_popescu: im not looking the shit up.
mircea_popescu: "to venmo the money" ?
ascii_field: ' It’s $2.99 on Kindle, if you’d like me to Venmo you the money. As a person who not all that long ago walked away from Gawker Media, and who also grew up reading Gawker, Jezebel, and Deadspin, the little Kindle Single can actually be a delight...' << at this point my gas mask clogged and i can read no moar
mircea_popescu: he's gonna "resanctify" the casked, check him out.
mircea_popescu: "Now, this is not really a reason to admire them; they should be rightly condemned as the callous killers that they are. But what we need to set in opposition to them is not a further erosion of our already crumbling sacred traditions, but a redoubling of our efforts to resanctify our own dormant traditions and, perhaps even more urgently, to create new ones."
mircea_popescu: anyway. the writhing of the castrato bois notwithstanding, europe's doing its cycle.
trinque: I didn't hear the dirt saying anything about USA as I drove across it.
mircea_popescu: the notion that "the usa" is anything but an obscure, inferiority-complex-ridden province of europe is laughable.
mircea_popescu: "europe" such as this exists does the same thing for three millenia straight : once it peaks, it regresses to an infantilized state.
mircea_popescu: "Europe has invited within its borders a very large number of people who have every intention of carrying out further atrocities, and decadent whining only serves to strengthen their purpose. Because their purpose is transcendent, it is to do the will of God and they are entirely willing to die in this purpose."
assbot: Christopher Pankhurst, "After the Paris Massacre" | Counter-Currents Publishing ... ( http://bit.ly/1My1wiL )
mircea_popescu: "This presumably goes some way towards explaining why the response to this atrocity consists largely of people declaring that they will continue with their way of life/values as an act of defiance against the killers. The hope being that shopping and consuming junk culture will somehow magic away the enmity of the invaders. Or at least it might stop us from having to think about it."
mircea_popescu: actually most of the dudes speak english.
mircea_popescu: so basically they don't want to load the page until thje script is loaded and i've nullrouted google analytics.
mircea_popescu: shinohai yeah tis in the logs.
ascii_field: on the off chance anyone gives half a fuck
mircea_popescu: so i somehow suspect perhaps this is not a simple matter of js-and-the-browser
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the archive.ius version i can see just fgine\
ascii_field: '11/13/2015 Multiple buffer overflows in the (1) png_set_PLTE and (2) png_get_PLTE functions in libpng before 1.0.64, 1.1.x and 1.2.x before 1.2.54, 1.3.x and 1.4.x before 1.4.17, 1.5.x before 1.5.24, and 1.6.x before 1.6.19 allow remote attackers to cause a denial of service (application crash) or possibly have unspecified other impact via a small bit-depth value in an IHDR (aka image header) chunk in a PNG image.'
mircea_popescu: the blacks have nowhere to go. besides, you don't see tumblrs dedicated to "mexicans fucked my wife"
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski there was a minority of french in germany in 1930, you never heard anything about those./
mircea_popescu: check it out, ascii_field 's link doesn't load in the same manner the other sites discussed today don't load.
assbot: Logged on 16-11-2015 21:04:39; pete_dushenski: in other news, https://web.nvd.nist.gov/view/vuln/detail?vulnId=CVE-2015-8126#VulnChangeHistoryDiv
mircea_popescu: at first, the failure is going to be the fault "of racists", like you see in missouri. like "foreign agencies" in early soviet times.
mircea_popescu: that frustration, being on a social rather than individuyal scale, and coherent, will find the usual debouchees.
mircea_popescu: the problem with cargo cultism being, of course, that the only thing it produces is frustration.
pete_dushenski: other than asteroid mining
mircea_popescu: which is why the derpage started in "design" and "pr". by now oil is falling, and oil is really the highest capital investment industry out ther.e
mircea_popescu: nothing is immune from thios brain rot, but the capital investment requirements provide protection.
mircea_popescu: it used to be "fakle it till you make it", which is how this always starts. now there's nothing to make, on account of everyone doing the same faking.
mircea_popescu: it is, to them, the reality of the daytime tv drama. the scholarly term for this is, "cargo cult".
mircea_popescu: these are some women that are doing no work, but going through THE MOTIONS of doing work.
assbot: Logged on 16-11-2015 20:28:32; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-11-2015#1324951 << i'm sure i'm not the only one who appreciate and benefit from an expansion of this point. for myself, particularly the "cargo cult" element is one that's not immediately apparent.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-11-2015#1325335 << take someone like tlp's favourites : randi zuckerberg / Sheryl Sandberg. looky here : http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/images/leanin.jpg
trinque: I've looked at a few places in downtown Houston as well, but I hear the crime situation down there has gotten a bit worse since I lived there last.
trinque: not yet, staying with family and planning on doing some traveling soon, so I'll settle around here after the new year
pete_dushenski: trinque: v. good to hear. didja end up in one of those apartments on the water you posted a while back ?
trinque: can't say that I've seen a girl with stretched out earlobes since I've been back, either
trinque: phf: also that, love the food
phf: also best burritos in the country
trinque: I've always preferred the people here, being that they're capable of eye contact and conversation
trinque: I'm putting my wager on TheEarthVolta being some 20s Texan guy with a big beard and short attention span.
phf: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2A2g-qRIaU well if there was a third man, were you in fact the third man? -- no i was not.
pete_dushenski: in other news, https://web.nvd.nist.gov/view/vuln/detail?vulnId=CVE-2015-8126#VulnChangeHistoryDiv
ascii_field: (vonnegut's 'mother night')
ascii_field: would let you wander off to wherever spies go when a war is over. You know why?' he said. 'No,' I said. 'Because you could never have served the enemy as well as you served us,' he said. 'I realized that almost all the ideas that I hold now, that make me unashamed of anything I may have felt or done as a Nazi, came not from Hitler, not from Goebbels, not from Himmler — but from you.' He took my hand. 'You alone kept m
BingoBoingo: TheEarthVolta: What assurances do we have that you are not a cop?
BingoBoingo: !up TheEarthVolta
pete_dushenski: are those unable to effectively scavenge reduced to cargo cultism ? is that the divide going forward ?
pete_dushenski: i see the future as fundamentally subtractive - that is, wiping off the shit in the eyes of physical and digital environments, curating only for the useful and productive aspects, which'd certainly be the "scavenger" element.
assbot: Logged on 15-11-2015 23:53:26; mircea_popescu: ving away from a "frontier" worldwiew and toward a "cargo cult"/scavenger world view. consequently the notion that new things can be made is being gradually abandoned.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-11-2015#1324951 << i'm sure i'm not the only one who appreciate and benefit from an expansion of this point. for myself, particularly the "cargo cult" element is one that's not immediately apparent.
kakobrekla: he is taking the thanks back ftr
kakobrekla: TheEarthVolta you cant give away something you dont have
assbot: Trust relationship from user pete_dushenski to user TheEarthVolta: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=pete_dushenski&to=TheEarthVolta | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/TheEarthVolta/
pete_dushenski: !gettrust TheEarthVolta
BingoBoingo: TheEarthVolta: Who is yout daddy and what does he do?
kakobrekla: TheEarthVolta this is not how ratings work, you just dont ask for one up front.
kakobrekla: !up TheEarthVolta
assbot: Logged on 16-11-2015 19:25:22; hanbot: <ascii_field> it's approximately as interesting or laudable as getting typhus. << the tmsr~ trail: asciilifeform has contracted dysentery!
BingoBoingo: Fuck, a havelol asset crashed enough to make the main channel ticker again!
thestringpuller: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3t15vm/the_21_bitcoin_computer_now_shipping/cx2b8af << d00d makes me feel ashamed we graduated from the same university at times.
hanbot: <ascii_field> it's approximately as interesting or laudable as getting typhus. << the tmsr~ trail: asciilifeform has contracted dysentery!
kakobrekla: the uncloaked. because lazy.
mircea_popescu: was't there some noob autoddosing new joins at some point ?
kakobrekla: afaik the pretense was a ddos protection. but it works only for lazy ddoser.
mircea_popescu: well i got mine because sponsorship. was gonna get you and i forget who else one, but then they busted right in between payment and delivery or something. i dun recall exactly.
kakobrekla: log doesnt save hosts either way
mircea_popescu: yes. but if you see a name in the logs from 2013 it is not trivial to resolve.
assbot: Logged on 13-11-2014 19:06:33; asciilifeform: bip64, aside from complicating the protocol and giving relevance to the gavin shitgang, is also a jam-tomorrow chumpatronic engineering structural element
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: iirc in his selling the thing letter he mentioned intending to start a general technology news thing, but I haven't seen anything out of that yet
adlai: kakobrekla: it gets better, they timeshift mining payouts from future coinbases. it's like national debt, but with bitcoins
kakobrekla: adlai they reinvented pps?
BingoBoingo: Which wanna be qntra? the coinfire one?
mircea_popescu: did the "professional" derp with a wanna-be qntra that kept getting hit by the ridicule truck (no fault of his own! he's professional! etc) finally close the whatever-it-was-called and open a new one ?
ascii_field: ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu: not only do we not have them, but i haven't been touching either for weeks, instead breaking my back to pay rent.
adlai: "You do not need to wait for a block to be mined. Instead, as soon as your 21 Chip connects to the 21 Pool we begin streaming you a pro-rata share of your mined bitcoin."
shinohai looks longingly at his little pogo on the shelf above.
assbot: Americans, Have You Ever Considered That You Are the Abnormal Ones? ... ( http://bit.ly/1MxHuoj )
ben_vulpes: http://gizmodo.com/americans-have-you-ever-considered-that-you-are-the-ab-1742256807 << don't call it a return to third world standards
mircea_popescu: i wonder how long until they realise trilema/b-a.com/qntra etc simply dominate google for this reason.
ascii_field: i can introduce ben_vulpes to the joys of starving
ben_vulpes: to which the "industry standard solution" is to render relevant bits of the site down into static html.
ben_vulpes: now in more tales from the trenches, people buy one of these jsapps and the "oh no my seo"
ben_vulpes: if not completely static, at the very least no js.
ben_vulpes: it's an exceptionally useful demarcation. "web tech", js and rounded corners for the bezzletron, static html for tmsr~.
mircea_popescu: without a clear separation between people and non-people there's no practical way to exterminate the non-people ; any policy goal other than the extermination of non-people is fundamentally evil.
mircea_popescu: but yes, reasonable litmus : if it does this, it's by idiots for idiots and i don't want to be there. so i move.
ben_vulpes: the engineering constraint is not "webshites that mircea_popescu can use" but "velocity at which bezzlebuxx are burned"
mircea_popescu: if it worked i'd have not bothered to notice.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the problem with it is that it does not work.
ben_vulpes: that thing where there are no "web pages" on the thing, just a dynamically generated xml tree that the browser renders and rerenders in response to user input.
mircea_popescu: <trinque> this is all there is. << word.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: if one must swim in js soup, and spin 'food' from refined corn so to speak, there are worse protective suits than the jsapp.
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> bezzle tools for bezzle plays. <<< fucking exactly. "oh, google can do it". no, they can't.
ben_vulpes: http://idlewords.com/2015/11/the_advertising_bubble.htm << everything old is new again
assbot: Saudi Arabia declares all atheists are terrorists in new law to crack down on political dissidents | Middle East | News | The Independent ... ( http://bit.ly/1kAwvUj )
kakobrekla: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/saudi-arabia-declares-all-atheists-are-terrorists-in-new-law-to-crack-down-on-political-dissidents-9228389.html
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: Logged on 16-11-2015 16:01:12; mircea_popescu: i dunno if anyone's ever seen a watermelon field, but : in the future [like, next year ?] they have this arrangement where there's central piping out in a filed, and fat people go to live in a conected bubble. think "van camping" except without the wheels. they're marketed as you know "reduce your carbon footprint and care for the environment" etc, but basically it is is a suit with lcds and a shitpi
ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-11-2015#1325130 << pelevin did this, literally. 'love of the three zuckerbrins'
jurov: they know better than to mess with alf
trinque: this is all there is.
assbot: Obama rules out U.S. troops on the ground to fight Islamic State| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1ONhHhT )
trinque: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/16/us-g20-turkey-obama-strategy-idUSKCN0T51QS20151116#M8TMqlFz6KkTyBUg.97 << "Dear Islamic State, we haven't the money to fight you. Love, The United States."