mircea_popescu: yes. well, if you're curious to know what i know, as a result of you know, actual immediate interraction with the thing in question,
mircea_popescu: let's not confuse actual intellectuals discussing winter/summer wheat with weirdo kids sitting on ass discussing "the truth of everything"
mircea_popescu: so then what do you know ?
mircea_popescu: and what happened to them ?
mircea_popescu: and there is no "classical" colo box. nor do you personally know anyone who has done this.
mircea_popescu: no, it's not like mp wanting something like thepiratebay. it's like mp wanting something like actual people at actual work doing actual business.
ascii_field: thepiratebay is dead...
jurov: i see it as mp wanting something like thepiratebay
ascii_field: mircea_popescu looked like he was about to have aneurism. please don't! i did not want to piss on his parade, but must point out that if $magichost folks do the same exact thing as the last 1,001 folks, they will get... same result
assbot: Logged on 18-11-2015 18:35:15; mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski as confusing to the wanna-be entrepreneur as it might be, it's apparently very threatening to the wanna-be "intellectual", or whatever we call this new (hardly, lol) species of human that aims to inhabit a world of ideas.
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-11-2015#1326507 << oh ferfuxxsake, when do we start converting sprint wheat to winter wheat with the power of revolutionary zeal, unlike stinking intellectualz who prattle on about impossibility ..?
mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> ascii_field: this is 'nyc official truth' afaik << it has to be. chiefly because "diversity" has brought nyc back into the 1800s. the early 1800s.
mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> if mosquito could move the virus, i and everybody i know in meatspace would be long dead. << this is a red herring. if cigarettes caused cancer the world would have ended in 1920.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski as confusing to the wanna-be entrepreneur as it might be, it's apparently very threatening to the wanna-be "intellectual", or whatever we call this new (hardly, lol) species of human that aims to inhabit a world of ideas.
assbot: Paris suicide bomber screamed ‘Help me’ to French police then blew herself up | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1NDR9JZ )
pete_dushenski: off to the races, aces !
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: they get flown near uk regularly
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: supposedly isis supposedly released supposed photo of the thing a few hrs ago.
pete_dushenski: "The Russian passenger jet that crashed over Sinai, Egypt, was brought down by a bomb estimated to contain 1 kilogram (2.2 pounds) of explosives, the head of the Russian Federal Security Service said Tuesday, and the Russian government is offering a $50 million reward for information about those who brought it down."
trinque: the glorious cousinland of walmartia
pete_dushenski: "Georgetown University will rename two buildings on campus — Mulledy Hall and McSherry Hall — that are currently named after slaveowners, following protests and sit-ins from students demanding increased awareness about the institution’s racial legacy. Georgetown students argue that the university needs to acknowledge the ways the university was built on slavery and to foster more discussion on the universi
pete_dushenski: different creatures, the Cimex lectularius and Rickettsia typhi
pete_dushenski: 'The rat flea is important as a vector of bubonic plague and flea-borne typhus.'
ascii_field: 1700s 'state of the art'.
ascii_field: some pathogens move in mosquito, others - not.
assbot: Logged on 18-11-2015 15:55:09; pete_dushenski: 'public health'-tards INSIST that these rather robust blood sucking insects CANNOT TRANSMIT DISEASE
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-11-2015#1326389 << if mosquito could move the virus, i and everybody i know in meatspace would be long dead.
ascii_field: i suppose usg really does believe in the deeply magical powers of pr juice
ascii_field: 'Microsoft’s chief executive, Satya Nadella, says he is listening. On Tuesday, he delivered a speech to government technology workers in Washington about the importance of security in the technology business and how Microsoft has evolved to confront security threats.'
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-11-2015#1326379 << i think these are the same cats mircea_popescu saw in istanbul !
punkman: they bought it at some point
shinohai: Then what good is it ?
pete_dushenski: 'Venmo's core peer-to-peer service doesn't cost its users anything, so the company doesn't make money from it.'
pete_dushenski: back to the ol' tight range, a hundred bucks higher than the last one, but a tight little range nonetheless
pete_dushenski: 'we are a tentacle of usg and our policy is to keep cattle inside the fenceposts. thank you for shopping with msft'
pete_dushenski: "“Microsoft sees itself as a good corporate citizen,” he said. “They don’t want to deliver products that thwart government.”"
pete_dushenski: "“My goal inside the company is to get rid of passwords,” said Bret Arsenault, Microsoft’s chief information security officer."
punkman: in other nyooz http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/18/technology/microsoft-once-infested-with-security-flaws-does-an-about-face.html
pete_dushenski: ensure the continued survival and persistence of industry x in its present state ? IMPOSSIBRU'
assbot: Logged on 18-11-2015 14:30:33; mircea_popescu: anyway : unlike the average start-up my own business thing (which yes, 90% fail anyway) you have some major advantages, in that you're not coming up with an idea and hoping a market finds you, but on the contrary, the fgucking market is begging you alreadyt.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-11-2015#1326256 << this situation is probably more confusing to the soi-dissant 'entreprenuer' than anything else imagineable. 'what, you don't want me to solve a problem that i think is a problem because reasons ? what, you don't want me to develop an app to disrupt industry x while simultaneously bending over backwards to comply with every last damn regulation designed to
assbot: Logged on 18-11-2015 14:16:45; shinohai: Wrote safety SOPs for companies to keep them in osha compliance
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-11-2015#1326236 << therealbitcoin testers really do come in all shapes and sizes :)
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> wouldn't you expect if i hired a tramp to flood my business for the insurance his story would be "he wanted to strand his wife so he could fish and have an affair" ? << lol
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: i need to rewatch pulp fiction. i can barely recall it, it's been so long.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-11-2015#1326126 << if rumours are to be believed, then the star of 'hot shots part deux', charlie sheen, is what's so special about hiv
thestringpuller: quoting the boondocks
pete_dushenski: because absence of evidence is evidence of absence in their small, small mental worlds
pete_dushenski: 'public health'-tards INSIST that these rather robust blood sucking insects CANNOT TRANSMIT DISEASE
assbot: Logged on 18-11-2015 12:53:43; mircea_popescu: punkman i really wish to understand how the fuck this "X can not happen" magic started for hiv, and why it continues.
assbot: Logged on 17-11-2015 13:57:52; mircea_popescu: anyway, the guy has a point, and szabo's theory is not merely just silly, it's a sympthom of a larger western pathology (he's basically looking for an excuse, ANY excuse, just as long as it doesn't come to *a better quality of people*, because he's nuts with this racism bullcrap like the rest of the anglos.)
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-11-2015#1325800 << even more splendid analysis thereof
mircea_popescu: but anyway, got a meeting, so we're going to continue the insanity later.
mircea_popescu: who are those people that "actually touched it" and what did they touch ?
jurov: effectively using class B is very different thing from "just get me a box somewhere".. if mircea_popescu specifies the latter, then no wonder time is wasted
mircea_popescu: on examination i have no fucking idea what i've been spending my time on for the past coupla hours,
mircea_popescu: thanks for finally giving it the permission to be ? i guess ?
mircea_popescu: so the server gets backed up. ok. so ?
mircea_popescu: the quantification argument is really fucking stupid already. who the fuck cares if "ddos".
mircea_popescu: sometimes. some other times you mean you've just said something on the basis of self-perceived needs, not on the basis of reality.
asciilifeform: but yes, it is possible to cause a flood. but can this be compared with the ease of setting up a ddos, and untraceably ?
asciilifeform: when i say 'afaik' i really mean it. open to being shown the counterexample. or at least proof-of-existence
mircea_popescu: wouldn't you expect if i hired a tramp to flood my business for the insurance his story would be "he wanted to strand his wife so he could fish and have an affair" ?
asciilifeform: shinohai: 'i heard that ivan won a car in the lotto.' 'yes! but not ivan but piotr, not a car but an overcoat, not in lotto but at cards, and not won but lost'
mircea_popescu: shinohai you don't understand the magical power of "afaik" in defense of the holy "basic bojum".
mircea_popescu: no, to you it's unpleasant for the right reasons. to me it's unpleasant for the wrong reasons.
mircea_popescu: we kinda need to stop this conversation based on what you imagine the world could be, it's unpleasant.
jurov: how can be ddos === flood if noone will insure the former?
asciilifeform: aha which is why 'flood insurance' is the domain of usg
mircea_popescu: odd, i thought the icazu thing was mentioned.
asciilifeform: if my house got routinely 'ddosed' (e.g. the classic dump-gravel-in-his-road trick) again and again, may very well be reduced to living in a car.
mircea_popescu: orly, they don't ?
asciilifeform: if indeed this is a problem that merely needs 'will' to solve, and no technical improvements, i might simply be lacking the necessary lsd to grasp it.
mircea_popescu: because i also know what words mean and that they exist, fancy that!
mircea_popescu: and thank you very much for the credit, but if i'll actually ever need or want a "human wave", i'll fucking say that. in those words.
mircea_popescu: a) there's no "germs" and b) people have been drinking water before you were born.
mircea_popescu: stfu about how you need a robotic hand to turn on the tap to have a drink of water.
asciilifeform: i get it, 'stfu about the line of german pillboxes already, you're demoralizing the men'
mircea_popescu: and since the demand still exists, what fill it are marginal drug addicts/teenagers/random idiots,
mircea_popescu: but it is irresponsible, bcause what's left after all that poison, is all the people for whom it'd be a great job and a great living not doing it.
mircea_popescu: because you sit there and try and convince everyone that hey, "human wave" and "basic bojum" and whatever other avatars, because you personally need to explain to yourself why you aren't doing it. the thing is that it wouldn't be your job to do ANYWAY! this needs no fucking explaining already.
asciilifeform: what i was asking is, what is to distinguish this new, magical and heroic hoster from the 1,000,001 existing ones?
asciilifeform: and the one before it.
asciilifeform: wherever the old box was.
asciilifeform: hosting market is full of folks who didn't 'stupidly wait for x before y' and 'just did it.' but it seems like their offerings are not cutting it ?
mircea_popescu: it's just people being needed that do ~well~ things you don't like and don't understand (these two not necessarily unrelated).
asciilifeform: so the client list would be: mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there is no human wave attack involved in all of this for the love of christ.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla do you understand what psychic defenses work / what they are ?
asciilifeform: i mean i get it, mircea_popescu is stalin and не шагу назад and human wave attacks do have merit and occasionally do the job. but the kind of thing proposed here is inherently not a 'mass' product.
mircea_popescu: the only reason we aren't is a) impotence ; b) no b.
kakobrekla: you need to fix internet first (check alfs drawer) then you can have cookies
mircea_popescu: contrary to any justifications people use to explain to themselves why they aren't picking this very juicy, extremely low hanging fruit (which plenty might even be right in doing, but not usually for the reasons they give - it's more like, they suck at doing the slow, patient, dilligent sort of work that this, like all bureaucracy entails, etc)
asciilifeform: whatever happened to the old-fashioned 'bulletproof spam hosting' types ?
mircea_popescu: anyway : unlike the average start-up my own business thing (which yes, 90% fail anyway) you have some major advantages, in that you're not coming up with an idea and hoping a market finds you, but on the contrary, the fgucking market is begging you alreadyt.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla, mircea_popescu: right now it looks rather like a 'die for the motherland!' sorta investment. hence no takerz.
shinohai: But basically qntra et all need a sane place to host their respective pages? I must research this "host" thing in lawgs.
mircea_popescu: heh. you got some waiting to do then.
shinohai: If it is a *bitcoin* company then mayhap yes
shinohai: Someone didn't bother reading said SOP's
shinohai: Wrote safety SOPs for companies to keep them in osha compliance
asciilifeform: hence the octopus. but without some physical discouragement, they will simply take the legs of the octopus one by one.
mircea_popescu: by having a bunch of them.
asciilifeform: but how else do you keep weasels from ~quietly~ carting off the boxes?
mircea_popescu: and honestly, i am not terribly impressed with propaganda of the deed as a means to enact change.
mircea_popescu: not unless you're actually willing to use the rifle.
shinohai would happily live in a dc with arms for the remainder of his existence ....
asciilifeform: even the knife, i think, has a place in this. i.e. a dc where an actual wot member lives, with a rifle, would be an improvement over the present-day state of the art
asciilifeform: the answer is gossipd. or, in the short term, an 'octopus' topology with server(s) behind ciphered lines connected to a constellation of private exit proxies, similar to (iirc) what was used in mpex.
mircea_popescu: to me it just reads "here's the justification", in this case.
mircea_popescu: but the point has to be made.
mircea_popescu: and no, i don't mean personally either of you.
mircea_popescu: pick either of these worldviews, they're both needed, and stick to it. what's not needed is the waffling exemplified by "basic bojum"
mircea_popescu: you'll get rent free acommodation without any internet access for the rest of your life.
mircea_popescu: and if you disagree it's more important, here's a simple plan : go buy a knife, walk to the closest cop, and stick it in his gut.
mircea_popescu: this is more important, not less important. you live in the street because "renter flees" before "there's no hosting because dc flees".
mircea_popescu: but i dun care what you meant. i care what i meant. and what i meant is, you don't live in the street because "if landlord hears btc he flees".
jurov: no, i meant when they see it's used for bitcoin--related services
asciilifeform: 'Yasuomi Hirai, 28, allegedly hid in a drain under a Kobe, Japan sidewalk grate to peep up the skirts of women as they stepped over. "His hair got caught at the edge of the grate, which drew the attention of some pedestrians," a Hyogo prefectural police officer told AFP. Hirai has been arrested previously for the same offense. According to police, Hirai told them that he wants to be reincarnated as "part of pavement in the nex
jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-11-2015#1326152 << when dc hears "bitcoin" they flee. i'd do it only if you agree to hide behind CDN or buy a trunk line
mircea_popescu: whatever you call them, aparatchik v2
mircea_popescu: the "educator" class.
asciilifeform: the mupper herders ?
mircea_popescu: this is not the moo
asciilifeform: well, my guess re: the propaganda is that it was meant to counter the moo notion that 'oh i'm doomed to get it anyway from mosquito, may as well share heroin syringe'
mircea_popescu: you got about the same chances to get hiv from someone spitting in your eye as you got from gettign cancer fro msmoking
mircea_popescu: then what are we discussing.
assbot: Logged on 18-11-2015 12:53:43; mircea_popescu: punkman i really wish to understand how the fuck this "X can not happen" magic started for hiv, and why it continues.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-11-2015#1326110 << if 'mosquito bites, swimming, sneezing, saliva or sweat' has any measurable ability to move the virus, southeast usa would look like pripyat. with wash,.d.c. and baltimore resembling the reactor zone. and known sufferers would be imprisoned in designated leprosoria.
asciilifeform: i've thought about leasing a colo personally, simply out of frustration, but i live in pretty much the worst spot for it.
asciilifeform: if the observation is mistaken, say how
mircea_popescu: wouldja forget the "basic bojum" approach ?
mircea_popescu: webtard forums are chock full of kids that "started their web host" and wanna sell stuff on a shoelace
asciilifeform: but the basic boojum is described in one of mircea_popescu's own articles: a datacenter is 'a fortress'
asciilifeform: well yes, 'building' in the sense that stalin built
mircea_popescu: punkman the list is a year old, you've seen all the discussions in the logs with jurov naphex and the coupla people before i forgot ?
asciilifeform: waitasec, i thought mircea_popescu was building the 'useful host' thing
mircea_popescu: yes. da fuck do you care, colocate the boxes and let them ddos until they fall over.
mircea_popescu is kinda curious whether/if someone is finally going to bite the bullet and make themselves useful by making an actual host.
shinohai: What did you expect? They're Jews ^^
assbot: Copyfraud: Anne Frank Foundation claims father was "co-author," extends copyright by decades / Boing Boing ... ( http://bit.ly/1PNF6yg )
mircea_popescu: all sorts of actual untruths are pushed, all sorts of marginal if inconvenient truths are systematically ignored, what made this particular minor lie so popular with the "educators" ?
mircea_popescu: nobody goes "boys are pretty much immune to vd, it's the girls that get it"
punkman: mircea_popescu: punkman i really wish to understand how the fuck this "X can not happen" magic started for hiv, and why it continues. << starts in school when talking about STDs or disease transmission in general
BingoBoingo: Anyways, the way HIV is lionized it probably won't be long before the US FDA approves it as a treatment for allergies
mircea_popescu: i mean seriously, advertisement campaigns PRO hiv ? where the fuck is the "stop eating like a pig, it'll kill you and it costs us money" stuff every good socialist country filled the train stations with ?
mircea_popescu: i dunno, someone's catamite must have got hiv early on or something, you'd think it's been kissed by the gods, this disease.
assbot: As a doctor, I’d rather have HIV than diabetes » The Spectator ... ( http://bit.ly/1S3W9v7 )
mircea_popescu: how the fuck do you know it CAN'T ? for one thing, it CAN. for another thing, why the fuck is taxpayer paying for this.
mircea_popescu: punkman i really wish to understand how the fuck this "X can not happen" magic started for hiv, and why it continues.
punkman: "The plan involved putting up posters on commuter trains in the capital, Jakarta, stating that HIV cannot be transmitted through mosquito bites, swimming, sneezing, saliva or sweat. But the printing company dropped the word “not” from the posters"
gribble: The operation succeeded.
deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] The future for black organics. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/11/18/the-future-for-black-organics/
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liquidassets: Eat and drink with those that have great power, Sit with those, give them a plesant hour. You'll learn good from the good; those who are not, If you mix with them, spoil the sense you've got.
BingoBoingo: "The new information that was disclosed Monday was that someone wrote a threatening message on the car that the victim, Howard Brown, was washing with a hose when the vehicle suddenly exploded and the gas tank caught on fire."
assbot: Floyd Mayweather offers to help Ronda Rousey with her boxing | FOX Sports ... ( http://bit.ly/1QLoqrW )
BingoBoingo: http://www.foxsports.com/ufc/story/ufc-floyd-mayweather-ronda-rousey-help-her-with-boxing-jon-jones-daniel-cormier-111715
ben_vulpes wonders if this is another of those b64-in-gpg-message-things
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> but i'm developing overexposure allergy to this "i don't understand anything so therefore here's my expert opinion on things" << I kinda handle it the same way one handles lower animals acting in ignorance of the futility of their efforts. Birds hitting windows, dogs barking at trains, rabbits fleeing pedestrians into traffic...
mircea_popescu: either that or the dc being crazy, or the server having been stolen, or who the fuck even knows.
adlai: you'd have trouble using CLTV to emulate govt bonds; you'd need coins ahead of time to fund the inputs
assbot: Logged on 16-11-2015 18:52:09; adlai: kakobrekla: it gets better, they timeshift mining payouts from future coinbases. it's like national debt, but with bitcoins
adlai: ascii_field: you pointed me earlier to a discussion of locktimes... i assume you meant BIP65, not 64? the latter being mike hearn's utxo shenanigans
mircea_popescu: "Individuals born under these circumstances will be so out of touch with reality as to be incapable even of alienation. " ha!
assbot: Logged on 17-11-2015 14:12:38; mircea_popescu: meanwhile, to support r&d you need a pointedly orthogonal metnality, which is specifically divisive FOR THE MERE REASON OF BEING DIVISIVE, not as a goal-excused means but as a goal in itself ; and certainly a competitive approach.
punkman: assbot: Groom discovers bride isn't a virgin, eats genitals of her rapist << I imagine guy's last thoughts were "who are these people, and why is he stabbing me"
trinque: just morons talking to each other.
trinque: the pervasiveness of marketing and its effect on language, the myth of equality and "my voice matters" politically and also as a consumer, >3 generations of "what's a book?", the retarding effect of believing you are already special and noteworthy by virtue of simply being here...
mircea_popescu: but i'm developing overexposure allergy to this "i don't understand anything so therefore here's my expert opinion on things"
mircea_popescu: "PGP is not as important as people think. As long as both parties use an encrypted email (and connect with a VPN, TOR, TAILS, whatever) you're fine. This is because if they get access to the webmail all information is decrypted either using automatic PGP decryption (eg: Countermail) or locally on their computer (somewhere this information is going to be stored)."
mircea_popescu: jurov the me saying "bitstamp is spamming " / bystander going on about how it's just someone else dialogue has been going on for what, ayear now ? two ?
BingoBoingo: From the other side http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/taser-barb-fired-by-st-louis-county-officer-damaged-attack/article_a58a5c20-903f-5349-8bc9-87607fa7762b.html
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Does this professor need your banking information to safely get the prize money out of Nigeria?
mircea_popescu: in other new york times news, http://nypost.com/2015/11/17/newlyweds-accused-of-killing-her-rapist-eating-his-genitals/
ascii_field: iirc the ancient greeks had whore ads in sandal soles
mircea_popescu: whenever you peel garments off a bosomy beauty it's 50-50 you'll see some sort of textile pattern embedded in the tender flesh.
trinque: pretty great scam for whoever the "agent" was
punkman: I bet there's some USG agent going "undercover" on middle-eastern minecraft servers
punkman: maybe they were exchanging messages by digging holes in minecraft
trinque lets the dissonance flow through him
ascii_field: '“’The most difficult communication between these terrorists is via PlayStation 4,’ the minister said, three days before the terrorist attacks in Paris. ‘It’s very, very difficult for our services — not only Belgian services but international services — to decrypt the communication that is done via PlayStation 4.'”'
ascii_field: 'The Times later posted a second article citing an anonymous “European counterterrorism official” who was quoted saying authorities’ “working assumption is that these guys were very security aware,” but clarified officials “offered no evidence.”'
punkman: if she's not even gonna hold the sign, maybe sign should end in buttplug
ascii_field: (speaking of which, i have a crate of esp8266 here gathering dust)
whaack: trinque: Yeah they have some stick in their back, there's another huge rectangular one that looks even funnier.
ascii_field: or the usgization of mircea_popescu's esp8266 thing
assbot: Logged on 17-11-2015 17:51:45; shinohai: http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/wireless/wireless-news/32882-third-wi-fi-mesh-router-launches <<< 2 useless products for the price of one! :D
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-11-2015#1325868 << l0l what's this, the mcaffee shitbox revived ?
jurov: and to never ever move out of the US
jurov: yes, cuz you have other directions
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-11-2015#1325859 << there are miscreants who fart without written authorization from hitler! me, for instance. while mircea_popescu takes entire shits without so much as oral permission from His Reptilian Majesty...
liquidassets: fuck me in the fuck, cmon I've been here for awhile...
shinohai: http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/wireless/wireless-news/32882-third-wi-fi-mesh-router-launches <<< 2 useless products for the price of one! :D
mircea_popescu: "salt, and blowing up the whites."
mircea_popescu: social media grieving stands with grief about in the same relationship instagram pictures stand with food.
punkman: plane going down is closer to "act of god" and less scary, compared to a person that hates you and will shoot you in the face while you are having coffee at starbucks
jurov: dunno why he did not get any explicit orders, then
mircea_popescu: which is why the good or bad will of the army of meat carries no particular value one way or the other
asciilifeform: ch, so you did. You were not told to grieve for the Russians, and so you didn't. Don't feel bad; you are just following orders. The reasoning behind these orders is transparent: the French, along with the rest of the EU, are Washington's willing puppets; therefore, they are innocent, and when they get killed, it's a tragedy. But the Russians are not Washington's willing puppet, and are not innocent, and so when they get killed
asciilifeform: 'Note that after the Russian jet crashed in the Sinai there weren't all that many Facebook avatars with the Russian flag pasted over them, and hardly any candlelight vigils or piles of wreaths and flowers in various Western capitals. I even detected a whiff of smug satisfaction that the Russians got their comeuppance for stepping out of line in Syria. Why the difference in reaction? Simple: you were told to grieve for the Fren
assbot: Logged on 17-11-2015 13:58:55; mircea_popescu: the chinese, like all of asia, like all of the arab world, like fucking oceania and all the "nation of africa" assorted nobodies were, and have been forever happy to sit around and contemplate the immortality of laziness.
funkenstein_: mornin' y'all. Some food for trolls here, they detect zero days that's nice but not using green energy: https://www.zemana.com/AntiLogger
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, to support r&d you need a pointedly orthogonal metnality, which is specifically divisive FOR THE MERE REASON OF BEING DIVISIVE, not as a goal-excused means but as a goal in itself ; and certainly a competitive approach.
mircea_popescu: another path into this issue would be the concept of "adversarial individuality". hola davout. to support a large empire (large defined in the sense of, stretched at the seams of communication abilities, to the point it struggles to maintain itself, a la romans) you require a certain mentality in the subjects. let's call it, in modern terminology, "inclusive", "cooperative" and whatnot other "good" feelers.
mircea_popescu: there was a high level of pseudointellectual masturbation, sure, much like in today's us. similarly then, mit educated chitlins could not light a lightbulb, but could pseudointelligently discuss "the types" of feminism as if that were a thing, somehow.
mircea_popescu: in any case, there's no "high level of scientific achievement" in china as proposed by that wikipedia. because "social sciences" are not sciences.
mircea_popescu: just like a society that makes "the elimination of all inconvenience, from murder to doctor telling you you're fat" its goal will negessarily get raped.
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punkman: "contemplate the immortality of laziness." << relevant bit from some other comment thread on that blog https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-level_equilibrium_trap
mircea_popescu: and even today, the only reason they're doing anything is because they're trying to copy what they perceive as superior. that's it and that's all, without europe around to direly humiliate them, china would still be pretty satisfiedly pulling carts by hand etc.
mircea_popescu: fuck, even the greeks had the steam engine and used it to make toys and party tricks. exactly like the chinese use of gunpoweder.
mircea_popescu: in particular the chinese had sketches of the helicopter in the roman times, as opposed to da vinci's re-roman times. they had alchemy plain and proper a millenium before the euros. but hey, chinese "gentlemen" are too delicate to touch earths.
mircea_popescu: the chinese, like all of asia, like all of the arab world, like fucking oceania and all the "nation of africa" assorted nobodies were, and have been forever happy to sit around and contemplate the immortality of laziness.
mircea_popescu: the principal driver of inequality between europe (not "the west", the us is not included in this discussion as it doesn't fucking matter or even exist for most of it) is the stupidity of everyone else.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the guy has a point, and szabo's theory is not merely just silly, it's a sympthom of a larger western pathology (he's basically looking for an excuse, ANY excuse, just as long as it doesn't come to *a better quality of people*, because he's nuts with this racism bullcrap like the rest of the anglos.)
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mircea_popescu: "All our servers are running on 100% renewable energy. By choosing green services you can help to prevent the climate change." << speaking of "idiot signal", here's an easy way to lose business : put that on your site.
mircea_popescu: apparently they got confused as to the difference between "datacenter" and "website trying to push a movie someone made in cad3d about a duke nukem modmap."
punkman: letting paypal do the currency conversion usually sucks
mircea_popescu: that way they can sell "business processing" to merchants.