mircea_popescu: there's no reason for it to be "good" when kuhn describes it as a way for scientists to keep from being too stupid and also "bad" when ayers describes it as a way for red necks to still manage to fit in with their neighbours without shooting each other too much.
mircea_popescu: love or hate it, propaganda has a role in helping undifferentiated cells digest phenomena. pure, nude phenomena are indigestible by the human cell.
mircea_popescu: trinque in point of fact, words mattering is just another luxury good
trinque: pretty hilarious sentence by Citizenfile there, too.
assbot: Logged on 18-04-2015 02:49:04; trinque: Citizenfive | What I'm saying, if I'm saying *anything*, is that the words don't matter. << I used to think this; lately I consider it an autoimmune disorder caused by lifetime immersion in symbolic shit
phf: that seems to tie with a broader point that once something is named, it's already over. propaganda storm is kind of like grabbing onto something stationary while in a current, and realizing that there's a current to beging with, and that it's possibly strong.
mircea_popescu: ie, i'm so very proud and i tell ya : rather than english or german, french or american, you're better off moldavian.
phf: well, our rocket is made of cardboard, but their jeans are made of american dream
mircea_popescu: i happen to think the same is true of propaganda, even though it's an ideal object. by the time it's ubiquitous, the thing's going to shit. propaganda storm is a reflection of developing propaganda resistance.
phf: same people who thought themselves inoculated from soviet propaganda, fell for western one hook line and sinker
mircea_popescu: "who needs blood when it spews from every orifice". seems like that's when you need it the most
mircea_popescu: could we say the same of blood ? air ?
trinque: watched Forrest Gump again last night with a similar morbid curiousity. in it, he's the "hero" for no other reason than he is maximally obedient. he's the perfect american.
mircea_popescu: the irony implicit being that had she watched it in 1978, she'd have thought it unspeakably great.
mircea_popescu: the flesh in the west was starting to build a new socialism, and the flesh in the east wanted what flesh always wants.
mircea_popescu: for specifically this reason : it is the direct equivalent to the set of euler's axioms.
phf: parents were telling me how saturday night was like the coolest movie in soviet uniont. nobody have seen it, but everyone talked about it. having a leisure suite from checkoslovakia was the pinnacle, etc. mom finally watched it in early 2000s, reaction was "wtf is this shit"
trinque: I just watched one of the dance scenes on youtube; Travolta is *awful*.
mircea_popescu: for the record, mega article ^ imo
felipelalli: Another question: strong, em etc. are HTML tags?
felipelalli: BingoBoingo, I did not understand the item 4, how can I create a link?
jurov: for the record: igprof won't work with stator, must change STATIC=all to STATIC=1 in stator.sh to get dynamic executable at final link time
phf: in this case "broken because of boost" is more like a description of an OSI layer, i.e. uknowable things are happening somewhere in the datastructures level of things
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's a valid and an invalid thing that i can readily see going under the same mantle. the valid side is an outgrowth of "no, we're not putting up with any shit, because shit reproduces itself, if you're going to make a sterile environment it gotta be sterile". the invalid part is well, paranoia, basically. "world is out to get itself!!!"
mircea_popescu: not all tumours are operable, is the sad fact of biology.
ascii_field: presently i do not even know how to cure the far more straightforward 300 bytes/block thing, without walking into this
ascii_field: phf: in this particular case, there is also another thing - whether the problem is solvable without committing 'power rangerism' and mutilating the patient beyond recognition into a monstrous chimera
phf: what i meant to say is that sometimes ascii talks precise, but sometimes with a certain amount of flair, which roughly translates into "the problem is nasty, with many unknowns, and requires excessive amount of investigation and work, if it's even solvable at all." this was the second case, i.e. not literally clear(), not necessarily boost, needs further independent investigation
ascii_field: theoretically, 'sviato' == holy; 'gor' ~= 'of mountains'
mircea_popescu: the hero HolyPlot
ascii_field: ^ the hero, svyatogor
mircea_popescu: ascii_field you knwo the oglaf variant ?
mod6: <+jurov> igprof won't work with stator, i guess? << i'm trying to recall the details... but i think it compiled ok iirc, but when I ran it (on a gentoo amd64 env) I couldn't get any thing to dump out for some reason.
ascii_field: until he ended up buried entirely in the earth.
CheckDavid: ANy ideas from the great minds in here?
CheckDavid: So Gyft has a 25% discount on giftcards? How can one take good advantage of the offer?
ascii_field: but right now there is not a process, no.
ascii_field: consult the docs
ascii_field: jurov: i don't recall now if there was any actual reason it had to run with dynamic libc
jurov: the patch adds -l dl to LIBS
ascii_field: actually the only reason i logged on presently was to help jurov
ascii_field: jurov: gotta compile in the hooks
mircea_popescu: anyway, point remains, if someone [such as jurov] decides to spend a day on this he should have to use as little as possible hunting the history as that leaves as much as possible to actually doing work.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-11-2015#1332526 << for the record/future and as best practice : mod6's style of doing these, with pastes etc is much better, because it allows later effort to build upon previous effort. deedbot- is also not a bad venue to store this sort of thing, seeing how it's just code atm. "when i do so and so this is the bt resultant".
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, im not equal to that task today
mircea_popescu: yeah, one of these days we'll make a sore point list of things, as a necessary [early] step towards printable btc.
ascii_field: where ~isn't~ the sore point
mircea_popescu: the usage of statics in that pile is still not understood [in its implications]. stands as a major sore point to this very day, six years later.
assbot: Logged on 27-11-2015 22:46:25; jurov: just found there are several static maps and sets tucked in misc functions, too...
assbot: Logged on 27-11-2015 21:57:56; phf: jurov: you know how it is here, there's one small problem, gets elevated to shitgnomes in all the things!!1 status
assbot: Logged on 26-11-2015 20:20:07; thestringpuller: ;;later tell asciilifeform is it legit?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-11-2015#1332451 << bonus points if it turns out lone gunman was reading the logs ?
jurov: ascii_field: you meant this? http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-May/000095.html
punkman: also the whole freenet wot dimension, you don't have to connect to assholes iirc
ascii_field: borderline-unreadable shit soup like every single other 'open sores;
ascii_field: usg has been trying to phase out the 'states' thing since lincoln.
ascii_field: the 'phirst, biggest!!1, best!'
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-11-2015#1332394 << 'freenet' is the ORIGINAL 'tor' - usg honeynet
ascii_field: iirc (i don't have the box here) i invoked RemoveFromMemoryPool
jurov: did you? i'm still putting it all together
ascii_field: but is sadly lying around somewhere deep in the ml archive
ascii_field: my original purpose for asking nubbins for The Book, if anyone remembers, was so that i could rewrite.
ascii_field: the whole thing is an epic turd and my desire to ever work with it again borders on zero
ascii_field: i did try locking the removal
ascii_field: incidentally it isn't a locking bug either
phf: ah and that does the crash?
phf: there's this CTransaction::RemoveFromMemoryPool, anybody tried calling that in a loop?
ascii_field: that is to say, the key-value pairs
ascii_field: the CONTAINER
jurov: http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/map/map/clear/ "Removes all elements from the map container (which are destroyed), leaving the container with a size of 0"
ascii_field: but if you do invoke the destructors (as i later did) - you crash.
ascii_field: just nukes the map
jurov: or why does it not destroys the transactions
ascii_field: phf: the goal of 'zapmempool' was to prove that mempool accounts for all of the bloat other than what is accounted for by the 300bytes/block eternal index (another idiocy which will prevent pogoization unless a massive mechanism is rewritten beyond recognition)
ascii_field: and yes, jurov was right re: it being a std:: crapolade, rather than boost
ascii_field: now if you feel like it, reproduce this other thing i did
jurov: yes just reproduced it - the destructors are not called when map is cleared
ascii_field: (there is not a safe way to forget a tx)
ascii_field: because the data structure appears to be an interdependent ball of shit
ascii_field: in sept. i did an experiment (can't recall if i bothered to explain it here) where i forced the cblock crapola to deallocate, in the correct way (without using an iterator)
phf: jurov: the goal is to get bitcoind working with pogo's limited memory. the problem is that a running bitcoind grows in memory use as a result of normal operations. we know that some processes claim a lot of memory by design, like mempool, so first step is to get a reliable way of cleaning out mempool. ascii wrote that patch, but discovered that in practice zapmempool doesn't reduce memory use.
assbot: Logged on 19-08-2015 14:32:04; asciilifeform: thestringpuller: this patch does not work as described, on account of boost idiocy (removal of items from the hash does not invoke their destructures! believe)
phf: what you mean by "narrowed the problem so"? you mean boost, or "zapmempool to baseline", or?
jurov: you see. if i knew why alf narrowed the problem so, would help me much
jurov: just found there are several static maps and sets tucked in misc functions, too...
phf: last conversation on the subject was mp saying basically, people are welcome to investigate and plug that hole
phf: but for all i know there's all kinds of other sources of leak. the general idea is that btcd without mempool memory use should stay constant when the blockchain is not growing. any kind of memory growth is from mempool adding more transactions. so it stands to reason that a fully working zapmempool should always bring btcd back to some baseline number, but that's not happening.
phf: jurov: clear not working is my broken telephone of that ascii was saying in the logs. i've only gotten as far as making sure that the code ~seems~ to be working, hence my conclusion, which is that mempool is somehow not just mapTransactions & mapNextTx
phf: jurov: the overal goal though is to flush the mempool, but simply measuring the memory between zapmempool shows that the patch specifically doesn't do it. there's either additional source of leak, or there's a leak in mempool, or, and that's the most likely case, the patch in question doesn't touch al lthe places where mempool has data
phf: jurov: you know how it is here, there's one small problem, gets elevated to shitgnomes in all the things!!1 status
phf: jurov: so original interpretation was that mapTransactions.clear(); doesn't deallocate individual instances (i.e. boost doesn't do the right thing), attempting to iterate over mapTransactions and do explicit del on instances results in crash. so the new assumption was that mapTransactions instances are somehow used elsewhere. i don't think there's much else insight on the subject
trinque: damn christians wont get uppity about anything other than than abortions.
BingoBoingo: Well, not confirmed courpses yet. Local news has stopped referring to the officers though as "wounded" and has transitioned to "shot" to describe their condition
BingoBoingo: jurov: deedbot- didn't get the title update.
assbot: Logged on 19-08-2015 14:32:04; asciilifeform: thestringpuller: this patch does not work as described, on account of boost idiocy (removal of items from the hash does not invoke their destructures! believe)
jurov: mod6, asciilifeform, thestringpuller: can you please enlighten me how does boost affect mapTransactions and its clear() function? i'm reading the code and don't see it
mircea_popescu: this is teh republic, if you don't do it it ain't getting done. we've neither a legion of mindless drones to "do" stuff badly nor a printing press to devalue everyone's ownership to "pay" for that "work".
felipelalli: mircea_popescu, Thank you for encouraging! But I feel I have read / study more the logs before feel comfortable to write to Qntra. Qntra.net is like my oracle!
trinque: speaking of which, why the hell is deedbot gone again
felipelalli: where is the "hide my ass"?
BingoBoingo: Seems there is ddos
mircea_popescu: i was kinda alone for half hour yest while assbot and everyhone deserted the chan
jurov: i came and noone was there on any chan
mircea_popescu: the "commenting community" is basically a fabrication. he'll "engage" it when it's the usg's own indians doing it and then only.
BingoBoingo: From comments on linked page: "It is certainly telling that despite close to 200 comments on the two articles on the MTStandard that address this change, Mr. McCumber has not engaged with the commenting community, nor has he taken questions from those posted and addressed them."
mircea_popescu: in other news, "files included in a list of known child porn file hashes from the police database", seriously ?
punkman: https://i.imgur.com/SmpAlZ8.jpg << every website should use these "Male, But Overweight, So Have Moobs" "Born a male, bad circumcision, raised female"
mircea_popescu: "The continued accretion of fiscal crises across these governments should be expected to continue to further weaken their already anemic vestiges of autonomy." << this needs to be 5 words.
ben_vulpes: "the continued accretion of fiscal crises across these governments should be expected to continue..."
pete_dushenski: aha. i attended french immersion through to grade 5, which really isn't much, but my mother also grew up on montreal and we spoke a bit of french at home. i've also visited montreal at least once a year since i was born, so i've always had a bit of a refresher when out in public. lastly, i joined a french-catholic choir last year and they speak and write in french exclusively.
pete_dushenski: this french ? like my french or the quote ?
BingoBoingo: kelvin for the next few hundred thousand years is too outlier to troll people by using it to describe weather
BingoBoingo: Monday we had some snowflakes here. Today it was nearly 70. Typical weather for this region.
brg444: well temperature today was in the 50s so can't really call it winter yet
brg444: I live there!
pete_dushenski: lol quebec city ? ya, i've been there.
assbot: Logged on 26-11-2015 00:09:08; pete_dushenski: to celebrate the belated arrival of winter today, some photos of nature (that i didn't take) from my neck of the woods http://www.hecktictravels.com/rocky-mountains-alberta-canada and some rather charming urban shots of winter a few provinces over http://www.hecktictravels.com/winter-in-quebec
mircea_popescu: web 2.shithead.
mircea_popescu: gotta have the reddit spambots, the cloudflare anal deflower and the disqus comment washing process.
mircea_popescu: and also that some idiot site on the net doesn't have a functional comment box
mircea_popescu: "She could be mentally ill, or she may just be the ultimate troll, but either way, Tila's latest Twitter rant might be one of the great social media meltdowns of all time:"
BingoBoingo: Yeah, but any news is good news for the cause.
assbot: Tila Tequila Goes INSANE on Twitter: Obese People Deserve to Die! I Have a Giant Penis! - The Hollywood Gossip ... ( http://bit.ly/1YwIW1M )
BingoBoingo: FPH is going mainstream "If you need a wheelchair to go grocery shopping because you're too obese to walk, you deserve to die." http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2015/11/tila-tequila-goes-insane-on-twitter-obese-people-deserve-to-die/
ben_vulpes: "We will deliver the first batch of Tixies early 2016 with dedicated support."
jurov: "Tixie’s display has four settings; it checks the current price of Bitcoin, shows two account balances, time, and local temperature."
assbot: Tixie: The Bitcoin Price Ticker You Can Keep Next to the Bed - Bitcoin News ... ( http://bit.ly/1YwHWuF )
ben_vulpes is almost entirely insulated from the race wars
pete_dushenski: "mexicanos supremos" sounds like the next taco bell special dish. "con queso!"
pete_dushenski: white men obviously put chico up to the task. obviously.
jurov: the time is NOW
BashCo: thanks jurov. I haven't been active here. haven't taken the time to get involved.
mircea_popescu: "alfdog the cat" could be a decent comic. it's about a dog who identifies as a cat.
BingoBoingo: You aren't going to take naked girls to show them how it is done?
mircea_popescu: sooo, they're doing a "marcha de las putas" ie, localized slutwalk
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: the teslol rageth
assbot: Two men arrested in shooting of Black Lives Matter protesters in Minneapolis - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1QJT3z9 )
pete_dushenski: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/11/24/five-people-shot-near-minneapolis-protest-cops-searching-for-3-white-male-suspects/ << couple days old, but #blacklivesmatter is ~already~ taking it on the chin from hooded white men.
BingoBoingo: <thestringpuller> BingoBoingo: this would make a great scene for alfdog the movie << I kinda though alf identified more as a cat.
BingoBoingo: <PeterL> If you pull up the source of a qntra page, it's about 150 lines. Yesterday I was on another news site, the source was over 4000 lines long. I am calling scam, qntra is cheating us on the lines per page! << It used to be more until recently.
gribble: Endreas Cleier - Wikipeetia, the misspelled encyclopedia: <http://www.wikipeetia.org/Endreas_Cleier>; Nishi Amene - Wikipeetia, the misspelled encyclopedia: <http://www.wikipeetia.org/Nishi_Amene>; Tsugaru Nobuaki - Wikipeetia, the misspelled encyclopedia: <http://www.wikipeetia.org/Tsugaru_Nobuaki>
thestringpuller: and you see MP standing there "Got you out just in time!"
thestringpuller: but then fade to black. And you have shot of duffelbag unzipping from inside
thestringpuller: collapse happens, and alf is shoved into duffelbag and audience is thinking "Oh no the gasenwagen got him!"
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: this would make a great scene for alfdog the movie
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> back to my original point, i don't see any reason why folks like me will fare any better under this collapse than they did under sovcollapse << /me imagines in the future alf getting kidnapped in duffel bag... then delivered to a hardware #b-a because has come to expect
mircea_popescu: don't need to read past "the first".
gribble: The operation succeeded.
thestringpuller: has https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/designshift/orwl-the-first-open-source-hardened-computer been discussed yet?
thestringpuller: It's almost sad in the Old Yeller kinda sense.
thestringpuller: Fiat VCs are really suffering from the problem of too much money.
mircea_popescu: more of the same and less of everything, the socialist-democrat platform everywhere¶ siempre!
mircea_popescu: My plan would make Wall Street banks, profitable corporations, millionaires and billionaires pay their fair share of taxes. My plan would provide living wages for working people and ensure equal pay for women, Mr. Sanders says, ticking off his plans to raise taxes by $1 trillion and spend it on infrastructure, guarantee free tuition at public colleges and universities, raise the minimum wage, raise Social Securit
mircea_popescu: on the apparently safe assumption that nobody has anything to say to anybody anywya
mircea_popescu: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/nov/25/google-deems-bernie-sanders-economic-plan-phishing/ << in other news, google simply marks EVERYTHING as spam.
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell gabrielradio. didja catch the 'don quixote' jazz on contravex ? anyways, here's a dramatical script if you're feeling ambitious : http://trilema.com/2012/sorana-comedie-bufa-intr-un-act/
PeterL: If you pull up the source of a qntra page, it's about 150 lines. Yesterday I was on another news site, the source was over 4000 lines long. I am calling scam, qntra is cheating us on the lines per page!
pete_dushenski: "[mercs] stay largely because of the money, receiving salaries ranging from $2,000 to $3,000 a month, compared with approximately $400 a month they would make in Colombia. Those troops who deploy to Yemen will receive an additional $1,000 per week"
asciilifeform: idk, not much talk of 'hyoooman rightz!!1111' these days, it's all colour-specific
mircea_popescu: well so then you're stuck arentcha.
asciilifeform: (you may need advanced necromancy, i intend to be quite dead then)
asciilifeform: hence the link to mircea_popescu's 'tallest building' essay
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform devoting your "whole life" to anything, be it some dumbass woman (hey - for every woman that you're willing to die for!!11 there is a dude somewhere who's sick of her dumb ass), or ideas, behaviours and whatnot is stupid writ large.
asciilifeform: (try to forget, for this example, the moral colour of word 'steal' - think of the sense in which we 'steal' milk from the cow, or samurai steals his XXXX koku of rice / yr. from the peasant)
asciilifeform: sometimes they steal it with own hands, sometimes a friend helps.
asciilifeform: see, back to what mircea_popescu referred to as my 'temple of nonsense', intellectualism is this thing where some folk devote their whole lives to -ev folly like writing poetry or proving theorems
trinque: a bear does not assimilate the practices and knowledge of his meal!
asciilifeform: and the prisoners.
assbot: Logged on 26-11-2015 16:31:44; asciilifeform: (fwiw the subject has no emotional button push for me, because i don't expect to last for as long as five seconds under feudalism)
asciilifeform: and also that we have just such a party scheduled for the near future
asciilifeform: btw i can't possibly dispute that anti-intellectual brutes eventually eat up the cultured folk. this is one of the most recurrent patterns in recorded history (greece swallowed by rome, chinese conquered by their sequence of barbarian waves, etc.)
mircea_popescu: the mandatory googles that drm the environment "to protect the user" are exactly the same notion, coming from the same place, going to the same place.
mircea_popescu: the most obvious problem with it from your planet should be that it is cosubtantial with IP.
mircea_popescu: "entirely without" is a meaningless conceit of no value of import, which you nevertheless desperately wish to have because it's a requisite pillar for the temple of nonsense you build and apparently invested yourself in.
trinque: where were their equations?
asciilifeform: entirely without - would mean continuing in the 1600s jp state of the art, using only what was produced by noble self-sustaining (on the backs of the peasantry) samurai thinkers.
trinque wonders if asciilifeform thinks the Kievan Rus were better off without coming under Mongol administration, because of course the Mongols were savages.
mircea_popescu: everyone cribbed on the exam.
asciilifeform: jp cribbed on the exam.
mircea_popescu: how quickly we forget that it was actually japan that drove the harpoon into the great "western" whale.
asciilifeform: the samurai failed to produce, e.g., a george boole.
asciilifeform: (why write down how you clobbered the $derptribe? smearing ink on paper is -ev!)
mircea_popescu: "something other than immediately +ev practicalities" is the definition of insanity.
asciilifeform: trinque: somehow the point of the george boole example escaped you. the idea was that he had the freedom to do something other than immediately +ev practicalities.
mircea_popescu: kinda what the romans had, as it happens.
mircea_popescu: (in which case - the harem is really the perfect solution. mother-aged children are pretty uch the only human beings i ever knew to benefit from socialism. so make the harem, let the women be sisters, let society function.)
mircea_popescu: funny how this works, makes me thing socialism is a constant, like the water table.
asciilifeform: aha they had almost textbook holhoz !
mircea_popescu: incidentally : incas were prolly the most socialist tards alive, because they managed to split up, the inca owned everything.
mircea_popescu: this is rather likely.
asciilifeform: trinque: i happen to think that 'without', ru would live in the same place as the incas
trinque: you say "something should've been done!" in response to boolean algebra sitting there
assbot: Logged on 05-11-2015 23:41:44; mircea_popescu: the russians got steel plants faster with stalin then they'd have without.
mircea_popescu: or in other news, if your dad wanted some intromission advice from you when doing your mom, he'd probably have asked.
mircea_popescu: so then what calamity ? "historical calamity" or "they got what they had coming", exactly the same thing.
mircea_popescu: i dunno what cultured means to you, but there's something definitely wrong with the archeologist who goes to the local court to file a restraining order against this one long extinct tribe for having broken all the pots of this other one.
trinque: the problem of having leaders with nothing exciting enough to do that it requires new science is a primary problem from which other terrible problems flow
asciilifeform: trinque: the idea is that it existed as a -ev flourish on culture, like poetry.
trinque: so what, we needed a boolean algebra stalin to speed that up at the expense of someting else?
asciilifeform: but do you see the idea here ?
asciilifeform: and how much room in the general sense for something like noncommutative algebra, in 'dope world.'
asciilifeform: trinque: now your diode is in the wrong way
trinque: I think you overlook the question of what kind of a mind is required to manage these vast enterprises
asciilifeform: take me to their particle accelerator.
trinque: give them time.
trinque: "peddling dope" such that one has a surplus from the dope is the exact first step towards having any time to do these higher minded "honorable" tasks or whatever
asciilifeform: but then again mircea_popescu personally burned library of alexandria so go figure.
asciilifeform: and yet i see the loss of the physics/maths/etc. as a historic calamity, and it boggles my mind that any cultured man would disagree
mircea_popescu: simple heuristic : nobody who paid his taxes for 1989 ever had any money, nor did his children have a chance that was in any way connected to them. black fucking holes of dumb.
mircea_popescu: depends on what "folks like me" means. if it means, folks who stubbornly live in moscow and work for the state, you're right.