punkman: but said on tv he'd rather live with teh animals
punkman: http://www.enikos.gr/data/photos/462f3f1313efae44b41ec9456389e309.jpg oh I guess had to give them something
punkman: and believed that he was taking part in a completely legal goat-burning tradition. After Jones was released from jail he went straight back to the US without paying his fine. As of 2006 it was still unpaid."
punkman: "2001: Goat set on fire on 23 December by Lawrence Jones, a 51-year-old visitor from Cleveland, Ohio in the United States, who spent 18 days in jail and was subsequently convicted and ordered to pay 100,000 Swedish kronor in damages. The court confiscated Jones' cigarette lighter with the argument that he clearly was not able to handle it. Jones stated in court that he was no "goat burner",
BingoBoingo suspects cocaine would be surpremely effective, but the whole sobriety thing
BingoBoingo: punkman: Isn't dexamethasone the bad kind of steroid?
mircea_popescu: seeing how the only question is "what fraction of bitcoin reserves is safe to be kept as fiat"
punkman: they did
punkman: http://www.centralbank.org.bb/news/article/8827/should-cryptocurrencies-be-included-in-the-portfolio-of-international-reserves
mircea_popescu: whenever trinque is the 2nd word in a sentence my latin parser kids in
assbot: Balaji S. Srinivasan on Twitter: The day is coming when Google must bulk purchase Bitcoin to crawl the machine-payable web : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1XChT2Y )
mircea_popescu: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ukj2j/balaji_s_srinivasan_on_twitter_the_day_is_coming/ <<< in other news anon redditards write whitepapers about trilema, forget to mention it's about trilema.
mircea_popescu: remains staying outside of the Core fork << spurious staying
deedbot-: [Qntra] Recent "SigOp" "Attack" On The Blockchain Or Advanced Power Rangering - http://qntra.net/2015/11/recent-sigop-attack-on-the-blockchain-or-advanced-power-rangering/
BingoBoingo: Added conclusion, made a few other edits
assbot: File:EU European Neighbourhood Policy states.svg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1PmtjbW )
mod6: trinque, et. al: The updated [version 99997 K] rotot v054-TEST2 (via `V') script: http://dpaste.com/3J5SA2V.txt
kakobrekla: server is still sort of in war mode since the last ddos attacks
phf: i patched my script to do HEAD on files to ensure that i'm up to date, probably doing them in loop on the entire set is what triggered
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla in general the housewives that succeed in their life's work of "getting everyone to stop messing up the house" are ~a year away from having to decide if they wish to file for divorce or just come to terms with the fact that the husband lives with a younger woman now.
phf: i keep bookmarks around, per subject that i'm interested in, or mp/ascii dialogues that i might want to reread. a solution that i was thinking of hacking up in my own system is ranged highlights, basically same idea as on trilema, but instead of point-to-point it's entries and ranges. so on subject of v the link becomes entries=333,350-380,490-492,500-505. perhaps that sort of bookmarks can be shared, to have an illuminated log
mircea_popescu: pete_d has been trying in his own way to fight this i gather, with mixed results.
mircea_popescu: certainly all sorts of buried gems in there by now that all of 3 people maybe know about.
kakobrekla: not even the professor can use it!
mircea_popescu: but so stated (say i wanna reread everything that x), the problem is obvious to me too. we're in danger of losing it.
mircea_popescu: the total size has balooned but each person has their own comfortable paths cut through the field, like so many mice.
mircea_popescu: no, the idea is you keep your own lecture notes, which are not necessarily equal to another's.
mircea_popescu: which is how intellectual life organized the large conversation back when people still had an intellectual life.
mircea_popescu: think the old system of "library cards" or "study notes"
kakobrekla: 2 is actually 1 in another words.
kakobrekla: summary isnt really the cure here
mircea_popescu: anyway, slaves schmlaves. i tried to do it myself, the summarization of logs, gave up in anger.
mircea_popescu: the thing is tho, from my own experience reading logs, every time i try to jump forward in time i end up with a mess. works much better for me to read them serially and think about it that way. which is why i parse the logs to this day, years later.
mircea_popescu: but the idea of forward links is good i think
mircea_popescu: the recent experience of gabrielradio trying on the (imo easier) task of translating trilema articles makes me think it will NEVER be done.
mircea_popescu: if you recall we were toying with the idea of getting someone to summarize the logs. fluffypony even offered to finance it. nobody could be found.
kakobrekla: the problem is poor separation of threads. i have been actually thinking about this a few weeks ago and though i might add forward linking to the logs, along with the existing back linking
mircea_popescu: as far as the later thing is concerned, it's not clear it actually is any better (because you will necessarily have to read EVEN MORE), we know from experience that machines can not do this, and contemporary semiotics seems to indicate the task is intractable in principle.
mircea_popescu: one thing i can see : the conversation graph is incredibly complex. there's two practical ways to present it : either as a flat file without any structure other than what's provided by the author ; or else as a properly restated graph, which will do a lot of node replication as oyu have to unwind the rat's nest of reference.
mircea_popescu: i confess i dunno what the problem is. this certainly should not mean no problem exists.
kakobrekla: before a solution is found, the problem needs recognition, no?
kakobrekla: especially inflicted on others. :p
mircea_popescu: i mean, for as long as there isn't a solution, the best thing to do is not pretend to solve the problem
kakobrekla: it was acceptable in the old days of b-a when we werent actually been doing anything. now theres n projects being juggled and its a pain.
mircea_popescu: if it doesn't do that might as well forget the pretense and do this.
mircea_popescu: suppose i quote two different things respondent. the thread should now split, as a tree. it does not do that.
mircea_popescu: as far as im concerned the classic forum is unusable because it is perfectly unable to handle quotation. it's the same exact problem of "inline" comment display for wordpress : you end up either with an arbitrary node depth or else single character lines
assbot: Logged on 29-11-2015 17:51:30; mircea_popescu: line rather than paragraph ?
kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-11-2015#1333627 < the thread is all over the place. for certain, not all, things i find this worse than the shape of a classic forum.
mod6: oh the rotor+TEST2 script? Yeah, that needs to be updated.
mircea_popescu: but in other news, http://36.media.tumblr.com/c2b420ef3570b64c51825391319f3e31/tumblr_mo7k4n5SI21s7u4o4o1_500.jpg
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/be14e31df8a813c2e77598b73e5c052b/tumblr_ms2pf6z7wN1rdybpyo1_1280.jpg
trinque: mircea_popescu │ trinque if you're running it in cramped position you could just follow the republic nodes i guess << I've got space; perhaps cramped in other ways. For now I'll switch to the foundation bitcoind. If there are still problems, I'll move the node to a separate instance with undisclosed IP and communicate inside AWS. If that still has problems, would actually be pretty interesting.
deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] The distant future of Bitcoin miner defection. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/11/29/the-distant-future-of-bitcoin-miner-defection/
pete_dushenski: palace at versailles yields different impression, yes, that of "holy fuck how did they even think of that level of detailing?" and "holy cramoly where did they even find craftsman to make that?"
mircea_popescu: architecture made by humanists for humanists. "here, look how insignificant the human is!!11"
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski what was shady ? there's nothing national about corporations.
mircea_popescu: have the firewall set up so it can only connect to them (deny from all accept from X Y Z) as a way around the incredibly braindamaged way the client itself handles connections
pete_dushenski remembers learning about shift from 'gnp' to 'gdp' as boy and apparent shadiness of this bait-and-switch even then
mircea_popescu: trinque if you're running it in cramped position you could just follow the republic nodes i guess
assbot: Logged on 29-11-2015 22:51:01; pete_dushenski: "YouTube pays up to $4 (£2.47) per 1,000 views, meaning the most popular hosts can earn a substantial sum of money." << such bullshit. i bet anything this figure is from 2009.
mircea_popescu: "spend 35bn to save 50k we call 1bn because all numbers are the same number. WE ARE HUMANISTS DAMNIT"
assbot: Logged on 29-11-2015 22:02:16; ascii_field: at this point i fully believe that editor and compiler must be THE SAME PROGRAM
mircea_popescu: the syrians will do it for 50k.
assbot: Logged on 29-11-2015 21:41:41; pete_dushenski: "When monetizing premature mortality using EPA-recommended data, we find a social cost of ~$450m over the sales period. For the current fleet, we estimate that a return to compliance for all affected vehicles by the end of 2016 will avert ~130 early deaths and avoid ~$840m in social costs compared to a counterfactual case without recall." << lulzy volkswagen emissions 'impact research'
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-11-2015#1333736 << so the recall is not worth doing.
assbot: Logged on 29-11-2015 21:38:08; pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: not like low class germans/usians/brits/etc. are going to do the factory jobs. all these countries have negative birth rates and huge ponzi pyramids to prop up. not like they have options OTHER than immigration.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-11-2015#1333730 << more fundamentally, not like they're going to fuck the women.
mircea_popescu: lol @ the "feminist anarchist" gargle. yay, Michelle Goldberg, you go roar girl.
assbot: Logged on 29-11-2015 20:51:01; mod6: All: Version '99997 K' of V has been posted to ML & website: http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/V-20151129.tar.gz && http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/V-20151129.tar.gz.mod6.sig
pete_dushenski: baku will also host the f1 european grand prix in 2016. first for 'stans' afaik.
pete_dushenski: http://www.hok.com/uploads/2012/09/27/baku-tower03new.jpg http://inhalemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Zaha-Hadid-Architects_Baku.jpg << some of the out-there architecture baku has built lately. definitely splashy!
pete_dushenski: sorta in the same region.
pete_dushenski: i hear baku is a happening spot these days.
trinque: this affects the bot's ability to verify that the transaction went through, and hence, its ability to subsequently spend that output
trinque: shinohai: nah just seems like for whatever reason, the node I was connected to started barfing orphans (maliciously? aws? who knows.)
mircea_popescu: "The question I have is why do we have to learn about it through guesswork, aren't miners themselves interested in Bitcoin being a reliable payment system?" aka "why don't people in bitcoin give a shit about people on reddit/github/tardstalk"
trinque: motherfucker. deedbot- has been gagging on orphans for 400 blks
pete_dushenski: "YouTube pays up to $4 (£2.47) per 1,000 views, meaning the most popular hosts can earn a substantial sum of money." << such bullshit. i bet anything this figure is from 2009.
pete_dushenski: for reasons unclear eh ? how about "americans are poor and can't afford to buy their kids toys, nor parent them properly and engage their kids' imaginations outside of showing them iphone videos of all the things they can't afford to buy their kids" ? sounds pretty straight-forward
pete_dushenski: " For reasons unclear to most adult viewers, these short clips in which anonymous presenters who show only their hands unwrap toys appear utterly mesmerising to their tiny fans. "
pete_dushenski: " The unboxing channel DisneyCollector recently became the most watched YouTube show in the United States, with, at more than two million subscribers, the second largest viewership in the world. "
ascii_field: (for same reason that i was not able to make the flow graph)
ascii_field: along with anything reachable via the #include's , and any and all language keywords,
ascii_field: as soon as i type out a symbol, it ought to be in the completion list
phf: there's a nice demo of Lucid xemacs based c++ environment that does all kinds of dynamic things. '95, since then, much progress.
phf: ascii_field: i don't know about company mode, but builtin dabbrev-expand will pull from current buffer, other buffers or else TAGS, so it sort of satisfies your request for "what i just typed should be available". but your point stands, this is not to run things
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: only the clojure mode.
ascii_field: and that what we have now makes the same amount of sense as having a separate gas and brake pedal for each of 4 wheels in a car.
ascii_field: at this point i fully believe that editor and compiler must be THE SAME PROGRAM
phf: ascii_field: i mostly said it to make you twitch, since i know clang is out, and CEDET is a major pain in the ass to setup. i periodically go through exercise every couple of years, and give up in disgust
ascii_field: i have motherfucking inline asm in my src
phf: ascii_field: i believe if you want to get company mode working with C++ you have to muck around with either clang or CEDET
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: i was looking at 'company-mode'. where does it actually get the tags ?
pete_dushenski: "When monetizing premature mortality using EPA-recommended data, we find a social cost of ~$450m over the sales period. For the current fleet, we estimate that a return to compliance for all affected vehicles by the end of 2016 will avert ~130 early deaths and avoid ~$840m in social costs compared to a counterfactual case without recall." << lulzy volkswagen emissions 'impact research'
pete_dushenski: otherwise, give it a few generations of complacency and mankind inevitably degenerates
pete_dushenski: of course, it's mostly the lower classes who will be out-competed for entry-level positions, much to society's benefit.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: not like low class germans/usians/brits/etc. are going to do the factory jobs. all these countries have negative birth rates and huge ponzi pyramids to prop up. not like they have options OTHER than immigration.
ben_vulpes: http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-11-25/want-to-get-richer-accept-refugees << "eat recycled food! it's good for the environment, and not that bad for you!"
ben_vulpes: the creeping death
assbot: Logged on 29-11-2015 20:15:06; mircea_popescu: at some point this'll have to be systematized, ain't nobody got time to keep track of all the retarded arbitrary shit.
trinque: Is the world—and this time most scandalously of all, the international left—really going to be complicit in letting history repeat itself? << bahahaha this is so painfully self-aware
trinque: municipal assemblies, which he called ‘‘democracy without the state.’’ These assemblies would form a grand confederation that would extend across all Kurdish regions of Syria, Iraq, Turkey and Iran << the old-new thing
BingoBoingo: "In Rojavas three Kurdish cantons, together comprising an area about the size of Connecticut, society is being organized according to the principles of an American anarchist-ecologist philosopher named Murray Bookchin. "
BingoBoingo: Is there no social movement in Syria that isn't as scary as fuck https://archive.is/KXD0f
mod6: All: Version '99997 K' of V has been posted to ML & website: http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/V-20151129.tar.gz && http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/V-20151129.tar.gz.mod6.sig
ben_vulpes: stained the neilmed squeeze bottle yellow
ben_vulpes: once upon a time (when i still got sick, before i brought my own disease vector into the house) i dissolved some curcumin into the saline solution
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: yup. totally sterile, the way god intended it be.
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: i have *just* (as in the past week) located my wot's signal analyzer
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: they come in saline-under-co2-in-a-can versions
BingoBoingo: Drug was hiding in the beverage
jurov: and i don't have ephedrine in these pills
BingoBoingo: Ah, if I break down and sign my name to the list I'll prolly get cetirizine + pseudoephedrine but I dunno what that tea is
jurov: and the tea is expensive, tho
BingoBoingo: Apparently brewing an immediate pseudophedrine precursor (With Yeast and Dextrose!) isn't too bad. Maybe there's some way to astroturf the hippies into promoting "natural" pseudoephedrine brewing
BingoBoingo: And no. A fucking neti pot is not an option because I'm not a hippy and I don't want fucking brain parasites because this is the third world.
BingoBoingo: Seriously. My choices to avoid mouthbreathing until this things resolves are 1. Sign my name to the methlist 2. Placebo 3. Topical spray that can't reach site of action because of cold related fluid build up
mircea_popescu: at some point this'll have to be systematized, ain't nobody got time to keep track of all the retarded arbitrary shit.
mircea_popescu: if you think "the patriarchy" is causing "global warming", you go on the foodstamp list. if you think government is causing the decay of society, you get on the no travel list.
ascii_field: and the whole 'gccrec' thing is ick
hanbot: BingoBoingo from mp's latest qntra lulz, "has moved on to playing with the the little rocks", double-the.
mircea_popescu: alternatively they're ready for a rematch of 1878
trinque: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/29/us-mideast-crisis-turkey-russia-pilot-idUSKBN0TI07T20151129 << the angle I see here is that Turkey wants Russia to tell them of their operations in Syria in advance so that Turkey can pass the information along to their allies within
trinque: they also tweeted something about it a few days ago
trinque: there's mention of freenode ddos in teh logz
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: mebbe deedbot is afraid of the gossipd similarity to usenet? Fears #b-a.tasteless?
mircea_popescu: the only problem with that thing is that IT makes emotion unreadable
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: sorta like the difference between meat chess and epistolary chess
mircea_popescu: line rather than paragraph ?
mircea_popescu: what's the difference you'd say ?
mircea_popescu: should be there in days rather than yerars, yes. should be there in microseconds rather than seconds ? mno.
mircea_popescu: seems the b-a works just fine with logline refs.
mircea_popescu: the alternative is susceptible to filtering on infrastructure you don't own.
ascii_field: one of the caveats is that 'pull'-anything is susceptible to engineered slowdown
ascii_field: not to mention the www stack (apache et all) is a massive turd
mircea_popescu: you can use fucking twitter for all the difference it makes.
mircea_popescu: is both a lot more feasible and way cheaper than the alternative "we'll lay our own cable fu"
mircea_popescu: looky. a gossipd based on the concept that you keep firewalled clients at home and they connect to a random pile of websites, which simply respond with pgp -w text
mircea_popescu: so what's the problem you see ?
ascii_field: regardless of why or form whom he accepts them.
mircea_popescu: so... every website on the internet. ok. so ?
ascii_field: then to whom do you intend to make outbound connection ?
ascii_field: ~somebody~ has to permit inbound. and he's the ddos target.
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-11-2015#1333508 << this borders on the genius of the proverbial 'polish space program' - 'we will fly to the sun, not the moon! -- but sun is hot! -- we will fly at night'
mircea_popescu: he could get 8.5 bts/byte from urandom for the same money.
ascii_field: he asked 'i get 7.9999999 bts/byte from urandom, why not from yours' and we had a chat about the idiocy of whitening
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo now there's no paragraphs ?!
mircea_popescu: they got parrots in argentina you know
ascii_field: iirc i even left one of the chaps with a suitable plug
mircea_popescu: also the first <a is unclosed.
mircea_popescu: i suppose here wins. anyway : the proposed scheme has exactly the advantage of alphabet
mircea_popescu: we gonna talk here or there
ascii_field: rather than standardized in any sense
mircea_popescu: in other news, diesel pistons as polluting as ever. http://49.media.tumblr.com/a0d7249e48b455d6af09323b2d9eeb98/tumblr_muknkrTvSC1rh0ujqo1_500.gif
adlai: since it runs out of the five weekly quite quick
adlai wanted to donate a couple articles to the archive
mircea_popescu: whenever one in my wot wants to see what i'm up to he should connect to trilema, read "plain text" of the pgp -w ilk above, that's it.
mircea_popescu: there is absolutely no reason for gossipd to work on a push model of data transfer.
gribble: pierre_rochard was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 9 weeks, 2 days, 14 hours, 14 minutes, and 49 seconds ago: <Pierre_Rochard> In any case, a textbook illustration of http://trilema.com/2012/the-problem-of-too-much-money/
mircea_popescu: also, thinking about it, it occurs to me that the model we've been using to think about gossipd is fundamentally broken.
pete_dushenski: "i'll kick myself if i don't buy the collected works of this straight-a's liberal arts student"
mircea_popescu: as long as she sucks the cock and you buy her food, who the fuck cares what you call it.
pete_dushenski: "what if this derpy artsy chick is the next big thing"
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: for the man who fancies himself an art investor but doesn't have $millions to buy rodin, rembrandt, etc., i could sorta see the temptation
mircea_popescu: trying to sell "shares" in their "future". as if.
assbot: Logged on 26-11-2015 16:33:28; mircea_popescu: but anyway, in proper (ie, macroeconomic) terms, this consideration is the reason, ie the absolute driver, of why society will reorganise into feudalism.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: Investors buying shares in college students: Is this the wave of the future? Purdue University thinks so. - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1YBvvha )
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell williamdunne dude ! purdue stole your idea !! https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2015/11/27/investors-buying-shares-in-college-students-is-this-the-wave-of-the-future-purdue-university-thinks-so/
adlai: iirc there have already been hashpower heists, not to mention mysterious "lost in tragic mining" incidents
pete_dushenski: ""He pulled out a handgun and shot her in the head," Dobbs said."
assbot: Logged on 28-11-2015 16:33:08; mircea_popescu: anyway, my data seems to suggest that the enemy will be pushing a fork before the decade's out. whether we at that time have a counterfork ready or not is pretty much what decides the fate of the free world.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-11-2015#1332899 << doesn't fork need hash power (and big users a la mpex!) to back it ? so from whence (other than 21 and bitfoory, which are currently ~25% of network) might usg drum up the necessary support ?
mircea_popescu: shit, i never even knew pizza went in paper in the first place.
mircea_popescu: the only problem with this "abundance perspective" being thgat the measure often is something as retarded as "how large the grease spot on the paper is"
mircea_popescu: yes, arguably the individual wonderbread slice is slightly larger in some measurement than the pizza slice.
mircea_popescu: the options are either hand-made pizza out of wheat flour with actual anchovies, olives and proper cheese, split in 8
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski except it doesn't grow the god damned pizza.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, re the eventual republican reimplementation of pgp : other than the -a armored mode, i want it to also have a -w armored mode. in this mode, it should load a list of lines from a file, modulo the message by the line count of that file, replace every numeric unit with the respective line,
pete_dushenski: heh. even the mafiosos in american 'go metatard' at some point.
pete_dushenski: "New York is by no means Mafia-free. But the mob isn’t what it once was, enfeebled by decades of police crackdowns, media attention and old age. The Mafia has been relegated largely to the realm of entertainment, just as Manhattan’s Italian culture has become a tourist attraction."
assbot: I asked psychologists to analyze Trump supporters. This is what I learned. - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1YBsJsf )
pete_dushenski: haha mkay. low-class whiteys don't have enough 'long-term perspective' and fear for their own survival in the face of a DIMINISHING trough from which MORE cattle are to eat. and this is what passes for 'harvard research' ?
pete_dushenski: ""What Trump is tapping into is the mindset of a zero-sum game," Norton said, which he called an "intuitive" way of looking at the economy and society."
pete_dushenski: "Michael Norton, a psychologist at the Harvard Business School, has found that on average, whites now view discrimination against members of their own race as a larger problem than discrimination against blacks."
mircea_popescu: "the man who helped spawn the whole debate" and all teh other avatars of usg wooden tongue in full display.
assbot: Another danger of climate change: Giant flying boulders? - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1lSbBAx )
mircea_popescu: in other news, disgraced gavin of "global warming" movement moves on to alt-kook : https://www.washingtonpost.com/classic-apps/another-danger-of-climate-change-giant-flying-boulders/2015/11/27/81bdf026-9384-11e5-b5e4-279b4501e8a6_story.html
shinohai: How the mempool hack turns out, if it works well I'd like to try it.
jurov: mpex.coinbr runs on top of the official proxies, too
jurov: also, i've hacked mempool limit on top of -test2 without any defrag and the node is now live, will see how it ends up
mircea_popescu: and guess where the derp with drm in java figured he'd float up ? yeah, that's right. https://twitter.com/robertjhansen/status/542349213963538433
BingoBoingo: At least I'm not coughing up blood again. That stopped pretty soon after I got on the water wagon.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo just don't give yourself pneumonia before you get moar kids in the qntra mines!
mircea_popescu: what, on the internet ? scam.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Garden variety cold it appears, but started in the lungs.
mircea_popescu: whatcha got, the cock-tail flu BingoBoingo ?
frankenmint: ok right, thanks none the less, how is your evening/morning going?
mircea_popescu: ie, to get into the plane.
mircea_popescu: punkman pass on through to where, the tarmac ?
adlai has only heard about it secondhand as a complaint, so b&hammers are likely on their way already
punkman: mircea_popescu: you're there anyway. << yeah but they'd normally just pass through, unless stuck in traffic, in which case nowhere near the guards to interact with
mircea_popescu: you're there anyway.
mircea_popescu: if they're going to make show you up x hours early because security theatre, might as well spend them wasting their time.
punkman: there's this whole genre of checkpoint videos on youtube, because it's not enough to go through the gate, gotta spend an hour talking to dumbass guards and make videos of it.