adlai: you can also sign from the input addresses
mircea_popescu: the adequacy of bitcoin is eerly evident in this context : "what happens if someone sees my secret and steals it ?" "well... i guess you can pay again."
mircea_popescu: (make deed today that "i will pay sum so and so to foundation address tomorrow", then pay tomorrow.)
mircea_popescu: well, jurov is teh treasurer. he might be amenable to making arrangements for you, if it's a significant sum. alternatively, you can use the forward secret method.
gabrielradio: yes, but say someone in b-a inquires about your payments to the foundation
gabrielradio: "this obligation is a moral requirement, and outside of the opinion of the sovereign people it will not be enforced."
mircea_popescu: ahaha that redditard guy. "i did not know you were stolen your honoars!!!!" "were they discounted ?" "well yes, but this totally happens all the time" "with what ?" "with for instance... stolen cars, if people sell it to the chop shop... or if someone is selling something out of the trunk downtown ? or like... if it's you know, like we say on the street hot" "..."
mircea_popescu: <gabrielradio> to the foundation, i guess << trhe whole point is that it's voluntary. so you can do whatever you want.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck do they teach in "information assurance" class if they've not gotten to plagiarism yet!
punkman: "Brian Snow, former director of Information Assurance for the NSA said it best at a conference in Greece recently: "I’m here to tell you that your cyber systems continue to function and serve you not due to the expertise of your security staff but solely due to the sufferance of your opponents"."
adlai: "Roman records from 122BC show a large eruption eruption... taxes were cancelled for 10 years to help locals rebuild" << again the capacitor knob
punkman: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/12/03/mt_etna_erupts_in_spectacular_volcanic_event.html
assbot: Just got arrested for buying stolen gift cards with Bitcoin and then re-selling them. I did not know they were stolen. BEING CHARGED WITH A FELONY!!! What do I do??? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4z6mD )
gabrielradio: to the foundation, i guess
gabrielradio: does one need to send this from an address known as his, so as to prove his satisfaction of the obligation?
gabrielradio: THEREFORE, it is established that any Bitcoin company, or trader or merchant or other entity deriving a worldly profit from the otherworldly workings of Bitcoin, is to pay a tax in sum of 0.1% or a hundred thousand satoshi per full Bitcoin realised, into the coffers of the Bitcoin Foundation
asciilifeform: the interesting, if you will, bit, was the whole put-your-pistol-in-your-mouth-every-night banal deadly boredom of the entire shebang.
asciilifeform: but neither this nor any of the other elements taken separately was the interesting bit
mircea_popescu: and in other-saltmines news, http://49.media.tumblr.com/407f19fd35af1a589eb9a09d5cb6843e/tumblr_n17g3hc6QR1ssnq53o1_400.gif
assbot: You rated user gabrielradio on 14-Oct-2015, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: Apprentice Trilema translator.
asciilifeform: and thus cometh the spam-sea
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i actually toured one such godforsaken heathen pit this very morning
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is this from the crumb cartoon ?
BingoBoingo: That would take time away from mining new exhaust gasses, and that's not the kind of spam I receive.
asciilifeform: they ask to buy my anal virginity, aha
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i get spam from folks like these, so my curiosity was temporarily piqued.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, ima publish a post-mortem report of the latest rent server attempt these coming days.
asciilifeform: (and at their desks)
asciilifeform: i'd like to learn what kind of whiskey these folks drink themselves to sleep with every night
asciilifeform: not even trying to hide the cribbed wwwdevcrud
asciilifeform: imho i've listed the interesting ones.
BingoBoingo: And can't appropriate money from congress for said camps until you've set the black helicopters free
gribble: kakobrekla was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 17 hours, 23 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: <kakobrekla> The note comes soon after the bank filed a patent for a securities settlement platform based on SETLcoin, a new cryptocurrency.
BingoBoingo: FEMA camps for dissident relocation don't pay for themselves
asciilifeform: still trying to grasp why they bought it
BingoBoingo: Would be interesting if the proceeds didn't go to CIA
asciilifeform: looks spiffy actually. used to be that you had to actually glue small ones together to get this effect.
asciilifeform: 'Who did they work with previously? Who might have shared information inappropriately or made a trade based on knowledge they shouldnt have used?'
assbot: Logged on 04-12-2015 02:59:12; mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://36.media.tumblr.com/95d92a496f2b8a2dd68811c5ca08167a/tumblr_n3kam0uxWu1rv03nyo1_1270.jpg
mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://36.media.tumblr.com/95d92a496f2b8a2dd68811c5ca08167a/tumblr_n3kam0uxWu1rv03nyo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://36.media.tumblr.com/95d92a496f2b8a2dd68811c5ca08167a/tumblr_n3kam0uxWu1rv03nyo1_1270.jpg
mircea_popescu is about to say something, sees the next line, nods.
assbot: The SOPS, or what might you expect from government clerks on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1XLGAtV )
brg444: ^ben_vulpes http://trilema.com/2013/the-sops-or-what-might-you-expect-from-government-clerks/ ?
asciilifeform: 'Hes used the D-Wave to train image-recognizing algorithms for mobile phones that are more efficient than any before. He produced a car-recognition algorithm .... ' << even supposing any of this,
asciilifeform: 'he wasnt going to make it in academia. I never was able to find a place in science, he says. But he felt he had the bullheaded tenacity, honed by years of wrestling, to be an entrepreneur. I was good at putting together things that were really ambitious, without thinking they were impossible. At a time when lots of smart people argued that quantum computers could never work, he fell in love with the idea of not
mircea_popescu: <punkman> http://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2015-12-02/here-s-some-words-about-why-you-will-never-have-anything-and-should-be-happy-given-the-option-is-to-have-nothing-and-be-unhappy-also-china-is-exotigood << ftfy.
mircea_popescu: eh it depends on the font one has
punkman: mircea_popescu: the second table in last qntra statement kinda overflowed
phf: at my previous company we had a guy who used to work at lockheed, apparently they had a d-wave machine, and guy was tasked with encoding matrix reduction problems into the thing. he didn't really have anything interesting to say. you write code, send it to blackbox, results come out.
ascii_field: its purpose, by this hypothesis, is to bedevil other folks working on shor's algo computer or any related item
ascii_field: can absolve the sins if necessary.
ascii_field is now wondering if inqtel really told the truth, in their tax declaration, or if this orchestra of derpatronics is disinfo
ascii_field: 'd-wave' (the 'quantum comp.' sc4mz0rz!!1), 'tyfone inc', 'mocana corp.', 'lms', and 'sionyx inc' were the top inqt subcontractors.
brg444: Working my way to it, eventually ;) but tbf my english is kinda broken in a way but it's getting there!
brg444: mostly someone very curious.! in terms of the wot I'm afraid nobody.
mircea_popescu: imo the definitive kickstarter story.
ascii_field: ever see those 'proofs' where you do something ungodly, e.g., div by 0, and in the end 1 == 2 ?
brg444: when I first came up into Bitcoin he sounded sane but nowadays :/ from blog post "This means the most obvious way to lower the per-transaction cost is to simply process more transactions, thereby amortizing the fixed hashing cost across a wider pool."
brg444: in relation with other users? I remember Mircea posting a list of wot relations somewhere?
BingoBoingo: brg444: You ask people about the person?
brg444: pray tell, how would anyone verify the status of a certain someone in the WoT, if reputation there exist
ascii_field: (not hard to arrange in the field - use an igniter from electric cig lighter)
ascii_field: i wonder if it enjoys a good few kV put in the line.
ascii_field: (i won't bother to describe ~for what~ here, it was deadly boring & lame)
mircea_popescu: "i've assembled a small team" but looking desperately for any actual human. the small team is made out of Siri, his 5yo step-daughter and a fridge he named Fred.
mircea_popescu: just... cheapert to ship it there wholesale than bother documenting the "oh, X partners!"
mircea_popescu: the reason usg-* loves playing that game is that well, they got slush funds up the ying yang
ascii_field: http://www.forbes.com/sites/ryanmac/2015/10/13/drone-startup-cyphy-works-gets-22-million-boost-from-bessemer-venture-partners << now we know that one or more (likely all) of the shareholders are muppets controlled by in-q-tel
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: as far as i can tell (supposing the product actually exists) they power via laser, with control ethernet riding modulated on top
mircea_popescu: in principle you could make a pretty decent disposable teether out of these supposed advanced materials
ascii_field: would also be interesting to learn how 'In the event of a power interruption or microfilament failure, the PARC vehicle has an on board backup battery that will allow the vehicle to safely and autonomously return to its launch site.' works.
ascii_field: i imagine the thing is disposable
ben_vulpes: below the thing
ben_vulpes: there will be a mass
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: according to their ad, the tether plays out ~from the bot~ rather than the remote
ben_vulpes: tether always makes for fun dynamic control problem
ascii_field: and i could've sworn that we did 'fiber-tethered drone' idea ~right here~ in '13 ?
ascii_field: http://cyphyworks.com << lulzy flying machine maker, funded by - according to in-q-tel's 2014 tax report - by in-q-tel; the latter - a wholly cia-owned trust.
assbot: New Subway spokesperson touts strong track record of adult-only pornography | The Internet Chronicle ... ( http://bit.ly/1HIUxa0 )
thestringpuller: The puritans were pretty radical as it is. I remember reading the crucible and thinking, "religious politics huh?"
thestringpuller: Except US has perverted christianity pretty hardcore. (Funny given the puritans and all)
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: This is how it starts. Shame the people praying in public. Later they shame you for praying at all.
ben_vulpes: "the subject" << derplisps?
ascii_field: (it was held in the same dilapidated church as a 'hack space' thing i attended sporadically in those days)
ascii_field: idk, i originally ran across it at a meeting of a hobbyist society devoted to the subject
ben_vulpes: entirely unmentionable outside of the uranium mines.
ascii_field: if not for this, i'd long ago have forgotten the thing even exists
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: i still get flamez on my circa-2009 turd on subj (and the later sequel)
ben_vulpes: but yeah the asbestos fibers on the insides of the gloves get into your blood and kill you
ben_vulpes: thing about non-cl lisp-like things is that just the few tools that clojure provides are enough for me to get my hands around the neck of, say, the whole wwwstack
thestringpuller: ascii_field: I got to page 5 today of the dragon book
ben_vulpes: ** Matthew
ben_vulpes: *** "going to take values from spreadsheets and put them into node"
ben_vulpes: *** will be jumping on the last ticket for this release: 753
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: look who's talkign about empty platitudes! the united libertards party!
ascii_field: (prolly like many other folks here)
ascii_field: 'I came out of college with a faint disdain for both the teachers and the principle of the whole thing. This is natural. I also came out of college not owing anyone one red cent.' << funnily enough, same.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: it pointed to a 'preview' (wordpressism) of the article
mircea_popescu: such is the sad curse.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski taleb will miss out on the only thing he didn'twant to miss out on this life.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-12-2015#1335910 << can haz ticketz to guillotinings in the public square yet ??
adlai: it doesn't rank well on the brick test, but gets almost perfect marks in pg's http://paulgraham.com/diff.html
adlai: someday you could study the comparative damage done by almost-lisps such as ruby
ascii_field: that this could happen, was not a defect of the piano.
adlai: clever and lazy qualifies for the highest leadership posts. He has the requisite nerves and the mental clarity for difficult decisions. But whoever is stupid and
adlai: also Those who are clever and industrious I appoint to the General Staff. Use can under certain circumstances be made of those who are stupid and lazy. The man who is
ascii_field: theodor dalrymple (british) had a piece describing a scene he witnessed as a medic in liberia, where enraged orcs sawed the legs off, and carefully too massive shits into, a rare and very costly concert piano
ascii_field: at any rate, i cannot possibly argue against the main idea here - that a horde of energetic, malignantly-stupid people can befunge literally ~anything~
ascii_field ain't dijkstra either
mircea_popescu: "obvious to X only" is the definition of nonobvious.
assbot: Logged on 03-12-2015 14:47:46; mircea_popescu: does anyone have the line where i tell asciilifeform or someone that their love of lisp is misplaced, because a) c was just as great before the horde got involved and b) if lisp were to become fashionable it'd be cpp in short order ?
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-12-2015#1335813 << this isn't entirely wrong, but it is also not correct: it would be a very different sea - more like a small puddle of molten plutonium. (dynamic langs with everything-viewable and everything-debuggable sort of capability don't congeal into the familiar unix-like morass, but nobody cancelled idiots and ~purely logical~ bugs)
mircea_popescu: no, the guy actually mentioend some fishrwap
mircea_popescu: it's remarkable how little mark this whole pile leaves in the record.
ascii_field: was it the imbecile who wanted his key (never specified!) removed ?
mircea_popescu: there was at some point some derp in here wanting us to believe he's "a jouirnalist", not wanting to get in the wot and wanting to ask some dumbass questions about phuctor that i briefly entertained.
pete_dushenski: i guess the pace of trading is part of the 'feeling' but that alone is not what makes trading s.mpoe worthwhile.
pete_dushenski: adlai: "MPEx, on the other hand, is a human-paced, even aristocratically-paced free market that leverages the latest encryption technology in a secure and intuitive-to-use manner that does away with HFT and eschews fiat"
adlai: "if you're a human trader, there's really no place like it"... it's all about how it makes you feel
adlai: pete_dushenski: doesn't your "trader's delight" article boil down to ballas's "they are successful at feeling like a trader" ?
pete_dushenski: basically, "lower barriers to entry for apple orchards make the black market for orange orchards larger, thus rape and stds are reduced"
pete_dushenski: "lower barriers to entry for massage parlors makes the black market for prostitution larger, but also less risky. This is due to illegal prostitution buyers and suppliers switching to the quasi-legal sector, as well as quasi-legal sex workers facing a reduced wage premium for high-risk behavior. Consequently, the incidence of gonorrhea and rape falls in the general population."
adlai: heh, people love special numbers don't they
adlai: mircea_popescu: there's that thread, too
trinque: verify them on your end
assbot: Logged on 05-11-2015 23:05:31; mircea_popescu: and once they become popular, they will BE the sea of lisp shit.
trinque: mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-11-2015#1317881 << I believe there are several instances of this.
mircea_popescu: does anyone have the line where i tell asciilifeform or someone that their love of lisp is misplaced, because a) c was just as great before the horde got involved and b) if lisp were to become fashionable it'd be cpp in short order ?
adlai: "we will not mention your failures anywhere other than monthly statements"
adlai: other bitcoin "news sites" offer paid coverage, qntra lets you pay to be ignored
mircea_popescu: "oh honey i don't understand what the world became" "that's because you dumb, motha. you made it."
mircea_popescu: center stage in the roadshow. anyway, they want war, they get war, let 'em explain to their wives the 2020s.
kakobrekla: The note comes soon after the bank filed a patent for a securities settlement platform based on SETLcoin, a new cryptocurrency.
kakobrekla: Goldman Scamch : Bitcoin was just the opening act, with the Blockchain ready to take center stage.
gribble: STRML was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 44 weeks, 6 days, 14 hours, 20 minutes, and 4 seconds ago: <STRML> I guess I live in the wrong city
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell mircea_popescu toominimium threw a loller in your direction http://qntra.net/2015/08/concerns-for-the-toomim-brothers-mining/#comment-79924
gribble: mats was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 5 days, 1 hour, 17 minutes, and 43 seconds ago: <mats> rolling off the cheeks of the slaves doncha know
asciilifeform: 'kee' was, as i gather, brain-meltingly spiffy
trinque: they're invariably covered in at least piss, but often shit as well
trinque: I'd put my bag on the seat next to me in Portland every time.
asciilifeform: as for the astonishingly fat folks BingoBoingo is so fond of, i hardly ever see'em on trains - they, i surmise, haven't 'places to be', by and large
asciilifeform: perfectly intentional, and i've never seen anyone ticketed or even reprimanded by the train cops
asciilifeform: re: the whole 'sit like a man' thing - damn near everyone takes up at least 1.5 seats on trains here - bag, briefcase, motherfucking newspaper
asciilifeform: so legal or not - there it was.
assbot: Logged on 03-12-2015 03:21:56; mircea_popescu: incidentally : is the us going to ban being sick in public places yet ?
mircea_popescu: supplementary visuals on the topical application of the topic at hand : http://49.media.tumblr.com/a0c663ae0594dfad869311398ff9e563/tumblr_mr3m0yKvGP1swo0q8o1_400.gif
mircea_popescu: \but smoking is not, just like sitting like a man is not ok. because one's "intentional" and the other "intentional-once-removed" and so one correlates with the bad gender.
mircea_popescu: or is being sick in public okay, just like being fat in the subway is okay,
mircea_popescu: incidentally : is the us going to ban being sick in public places yet ?
mircea_popescu: in other news, anyone identify the farm implement ? http://36.media.tumblr.com/f3845e1b7096099ea936616243aafea6/tumblr_n5xuy5BPIP1rbu5j3o10_1280.jpg
BingoBoingo: One of them
mircea_popescu: i dun understand wtf that kazakstan thing is supposed to be. who the fuck cares about their stupid ideas ?
mircea_popescu: i really should read these things whole
mircea_popescu: there you go shinohai
gribble: Guidance : There Is No Such Thing As Bitcoin Taint. - Mircea Popescu: <http://trilema.com/guidance-there-is-no-such-thing-as-bitcoin-taint>; O hai let me verify your identity! on Trilema - A blog by Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/o-hai-let-me-verify-your-identity/>; February 2014 on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/02>
assbot: Logged on 02-12-2015 23:17:12; asciilifeform: one is left to wonder where these brilliant minds get coin in the first place
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-12-2015#1335668 << irresponsible parents. the sort of people that give a kid a horse, because somehow the kid is bettere than the horse or some shit.
assbot: Logged on 02-12-2015 21:54:23; asciilifeform: if we lived in 18th c. britain, prior to the ban of security boobytraps, a frag would be an interesting item to build into a padlock
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-12-2015#1335612 <<< these genuius ideas always end with accideental self-maiming.
mircea_popescu: "San Bernardino, California (CNN)The hunt for one to three suspects is taking place near a San Bernardino, California, center for people with developmental disabilities, where at least 14 people were killed Wednesday, Police Chief Jarrod Burguan told reporters. Seventeen other people were hurt in the shooting, authorities said."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno about you, but if i google "racul, broasca si o stiuca" the 2nd fucking hit is "about romania" and in general the whole thing's a celebration of romanian-ness.
assbot: Logged on 02-12-2015 21:15:47; asciilifeform: unless you're of the mircea_popescu or orlov school of thought, in which case better gifts include horse and kalash
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-12-2015#1335536 << frankly i wouldn't give either to a kid anymore than i'd give him a slavegirl.
mircea_popescu: the lulz of that "oldweb.today" thing : i can't click the bnuttons to select a browser.
gribble: Guidance : There Is No Such Thing As Bitcoin Taint. - Mircea Popescu: <http://trilema.com/guidance-there-is-no-such-thing-as-bitcoin-taint>; O hai let me verify your identity! on Trilema - A blog by Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/o-hai-let-me-verify-your-identity/>; In defense of the troll on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/in-defense-of-the- (1 more message)
thestringpuller: Coinbase made an exchange cause they couldn't make money being a broker.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: ;;later tell mircea_popescu please point me to the above-mentioned article, thanx
shinohai: they track coins
asciilifeform: dirty how, they went into somebody's arse ?
shinohai: Most likely on the aforementioned coinbase, dirty coins
ben_vulpes: they buy it, like anyone else lol
asciilifeform: such as 'People are going to use Windows or Apple operating systems when it comes to mainstream computing. And even if they didn't and we all went linux, there would still be targeting and hacks of this sort.'
asciilifeform: from the commentz, 'Then keep your coins with Coinbase or Circle. They aren't fly-by-night orgs and unless you're %100 confident in your knowledge of how bitcoins move and are secured there is no reason to even try.'
asciilifeform: but have no desire to turn into an older, less 120hr/wk-capable, and less-enthusiastic version of the typical teenage wage slave.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: shorthand for software lemon markets as described by e. naggum
asciilifeform: will prolly go with the latter, it has a '17-y.o-accessibility-factor' of close to 0 and thereby appealing
asciilifeform: eh there are worse things than web dev
thestringpuller: even if i got multiple job offers I still got bills to pay in the meanwhile!
asciilifeform has gone from the 'omfg how do i pay teh billz' to 'omfg which of these outfits should i sign with' in past week or so
thestringpuller: ugh. it'd be funnier if it wasn't my life the past 3 years.
ben_vulpes: KILLER OF THE MIND
asciilifeform: as if the shitlang weren't enough
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2015 10:40:29; punkman: http://thecastledoctrine.net/buy.php
asciilifeform: sadly they lacked modern brissant explosives. but think how picturesque.
asciilifeform: if we lived in 18th c. britain, prior to the ban of security boobytraps, a frag would be an interesting item to build into a padlock
BingoBoingo: Seriously the bullshit though. It's like FU, the most important job of the lock is sparking the thermite!
punkman: the one time I saw a locksmith work, it was hammer time
asciilifeform: hammer << why not dynamite then.
assbot: Skip the picks, expert uses hammer to open a Master Lock | CSO Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1OyhG06 )
BingoBoingo: "The most important function of any locking mechanism is deterrence." >> http://www.csoonline.com/article/3010200/physical-security/skip-the-picks-expert-uses-hammer-to-open-a-master-lock.html
thestringpuller: since unlike the nuclear powers of the 60's; these people just have a fake "fork it now" button rather than an actual fork ICBM launcher
asciilifeform: aaaah yeah, i was wondering where the ph0rk w4rz folks went
trinque: ahaha... wd to the troll responsible
thestringpuller: just stop peeing in the pool
asciilifeform: punkman: 'kazahstan!! greatest country in the world! all other countries are run by little gurlz!!11' (tm) (r) ('borat')
asciilifeform: ends: '... which one of them's at fault? / i cannot say! / but that old cart's / still there today!' -- approx.
asciilifeform: unless you're of the mircea_popescu or orlov school of thought, in which case better gifts include horse and kalash
trinque: I played with BASIC on DOS back in the day; I can think of worse gifts.
asciilifeform: other than as a demo of 'turing completeness' for schoolchildren, i can think of no actual use for this
thestringpuller: the
asciilifeform: (~why~ to do this, is an entirely other question, which i am unable to even begin to apprehend)
jurov: iirc they did arachne in js?
asciilifeform: so there is hope.
asciilifeform: though there is a js x86 box emulator, yes
thestringpuller: now we can do everything in da javascript. the browser is da future!
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: stop hating on the world wide web
trinque: gimme the data and leave me to say what I'll do with it
asciilifeform: aaah yeaaaah sure, sslizing my rsa key makes me ah so hot&bothered
shinohai: BingoBoingo: http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/married-couple-so-fat-theyve-never-had-sex/news-story/8fe78659260e79be3806ef676cff4aa4
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: if you're a complete n00b you might want to try one of andrew appel's schoolbooks
asciilifeform: 'I can't believe no one ever thought of a way how browser can authenticate a session without giving out secrets to anyone, including javascript.' << pgp ?
mircea_popescu: this schmuck, gengis khan, whadda hell's the difference.
mircea_popescu: buncha outlier barbarians in temporary positions of power missing what civilisation is all about by the usual mile
mircea_popescu: since oh i dunno, the fucking concordat of worms.
mircea_popescu: THIS IS THE DEFINITION OF EUROPE.