TheNewDeal: I've got to see if they allow a tax payment, I can't find that address from the foundation website
TheNewDeal: I believe they've unmugglized me
TheNewDeal: I'm in fear of the address being hijacked
TheNewDeal: or the address for taxable income
TheNewDeal: where's the mpex tax code listed
mircea_popescu: same thing that moves the dust.
asciilifeform: i still cannot properly grasp what moves these folks
mircea_popescu: so they won't make an altcoin that makes YOU be able to do something, because "you" is undefined. instead... make an altcoin that "saves africa". that, ANYONE could do.
mircea_popescu: the kids internalized the "what would it happen if EVERYONE did that" playground "adult" thinking, and now live by it.
mircea_popescu: think of it in terms of, being a very mediocre, fat woman that was writing code. lotta goto's, the ocasional for-loop-by-hand, and no passing by reference.
nubbins`: now there's a weird drug
nubbins`: (cannot recommend the experience)
nubbins`: the i'm-a-glass-of-water requires salvia divinorum
asciilifeform: i can more readily grasp the napoleon, yes
asciilifeform: i suppose asylum contains both napoleon ~and~ the i'm-a-glass-of-water types
mircea_popescu: you don;t properly grok how the ustardian mind works. you see, it's gotta be meta to be real.
asciilifeform: i'm still waiting for the 'dekulakization' altcoins
nubbins`: hardforks are the new altcoins
mircea_popescu: i didn't care for proletcult either, and somehow i don't seem to be missing having missed out on that either.
mircea_popescu: can't california just fall into the ocean already and spare me the rest of the popcult story ?
mircea_popescu: i suppose every nigger gotta add his own hardfork out there now, it's the new hip thing. you ain't nobody if you ain't hardforkin'!
BingoBoingo: Pissstream, nao rootstock, where do these fuckers end
mircea_popescu: so very ustardian, their approach.
mircea_popescu: the irony being that bitcoin going to shit wouldn't resolve all the numerous problems all the shitcoins have
BingoBoingo: Oh look, all the old people working on piggyback altcoins want forks nao https://twitter.com/SDLerner/status/676899213121310720
mircea_popescu: !up justanotheruser
BingoBoingo: "They also have the joint worst score, with young black Caribbean men, for a belief that they are prone to drug-taking."
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mircea_popescu: then the site bitches about how getting whatever as an answer doesn't help it select matches. what the fuck am i to do ?! care ?!
mircea_popescu: who the fuck cares what people think already.
mircea_popescu: so this okcupid thing has a thing where you answer premade questions (apparently there was a feature to add questions but they scuttled it silently, over time). leaving aside the questions are almost universally fucking dumb,
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mircea_popescu: now i gotta make an okcupid acct, see what the fatties are like.
mircea_popescu: or is pan there from pan trogolodytes ? she fucks chimps ?
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BingoBoingo: sanity "I have a kind of morbid curiosity. I subscribe to rateme, amisexy, uglyduckling, MUA, prettygirls, and so many more just to see how attractive some girls are and how they're treated by men. Seeing their perfect faces weirdly makes me feel more at peace with the world- like I know my place."
mircea_popescu: she's too classy, and besides : these men don't even watch cheers!
mircea_popescu: "I'm FA everywhere. When I lived in a big, glamorous city, I was too ugly and fat for anyone to even consider dating. Now that I'm in a smaller place, with lots of fat and/or unattractive people, I'm more highly educated than the vast majority of men, so I'm still FA."
BingoBoingo: eautiful. Some of them literally look photoshopped in person."
BingoBoingo: "Last time I went I saw a few beautiful girls (something I'd never see close to at home) and it made me so extremely depressed that it ruined the whole trip (I went with family). It legitimately makes me depressed when I see super pretty girls like that; I just feel like a completely inferior subhuman. I'm ok with regular hot girls for some reason. I even had some hot friends in school. It's different when the girl is ethereally b
mircea_popescu: oh... i know... she should have the vote!
mircea_popescu: "I am a downer most of the time, I'm not outgoing, not funny, not talkative. The only thing I have is my average intelligence. Being depressed makes you not want to do anything. The medication I'm taking doesn't even make me feel better sometimes. I hate that when you're unattractive or below average you have to wield so many positive traits just to get someone to like you. Attractive people get to be mediocre."
mircea_popescu: "Does anyone get positive feedback on their looks on the Internet but not irl?" heh.
nubbins`: you'd have had better luck giving the eulora flyers to 20yearohio and the bitcoin posters pasted up in b.a
nubbins`: posters are a great idea for me, not so much for others
mircea_popescu: not that nubbins is in the poster printing business and in the self-loathing mental space, so he thinks posters are a bad idea.
mircea_popescu: and in general... the point here is that argentines are retarded, in a very palpable, amply demonstrable sense.
mircea_popescu: they also don't exist on craigslist or backpage.
mircea_popescu: buenos aires, a thing worth 30x that many inhabitants, has no dedicated ad paper, and never detectably had. the thoroughput is negligible, as in not even 0.001 per capita.
mircea_popescu: some other interesting datapoints : back in the 90s, cluj, a 400k ish inhabitant city, had three dedicated ad papers, printed weekly. together ~200 pages, for a yearly thoroughput in the 1mn ads range. so like 2.5 per capita.
nubbins`: be sure to tape all 4 sides so they're harder to rip down
mircea_popescu: nubbins` wouldja stop trying to salvage the "i'm derpy from derpland and i know of things i've never seen because totallies" ? it's dead.
assbot: Logged on 15-12-2015 19:38:05; mircea_popescu: anyway, to the more general point here : i'm the only entity that can't be held hostage. "oh, we won't do X until you Y" works when I say it at others, not when others try it on me. you can't say "hey mp, you gotta do it like this", because the point isn't for me to get something done, the point is for me to change the way things are done in the first place.
nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-12-2015#1343790 << oh, i get it. so you're trying to bring job recruitment into the photocopy-taped-to-wall era
nubbins`: <+ascii_field> (another tricky bit is that one of the things employers pay folks for is ~not working for competitor~ and this is difficult to monitor without on-site chair) << not many other worker bees i came across in the trenches realized this, to their detriment
jurov: incl. wiping the ass?
funkenstein_: i thought every time you did anything which valued a fiat token, no matter what, it benefitted the counterfeitters thereof
mircea_popescu: in other news, is this china or japan ? http://45.media.tumblr.com/80ef376080c40ec5dead4e874747a78d/tumblr_mppnqkoh091szyywjo1_250.gif
ascii_field: 'A C++ module that generates maps procedurally is required for Eulora. In this first iteration, the idea of a "map" reduces to "a folded corridor 3 x 3 units in square section". Folding means that the corridor may curve however you please (provided it's continuous, contains no volumes smaller than 3x3 units and no inclines over 10%) and run into itself (not necessarily at right angles).' << this is in SWAG !!!
ascii_field: to suggest in the 2nd [censored] conference.'
ascii_field: 'Which makes me suspicious, and I have no evidence, just an opinion that there seems to be a powerful force behind these guys like btcdrak, petertodd, etc., like perhaps that jdillon guy, who seems to be directing their actions. If you read some old leaks of jdillon chat with ptodd you can see that all/most of the stuff they are now publicly pushing were suggested by him, including the flexicap nonsense which gmax tried
ascii_field: meanwhile, at the l0lfactory,
mircea_popescu: this is in fact how you know that you're part of the solution.
mircea_popescu: for as long as you're part of the solution, it taking a while is no detriment.
mircea_popescu: historical imperative, as they say.
mircea_popescu: and nobody knows which gnats killed the elephant. "it was just meant to be".
mircea_popescu: they all add together and then one day, suddenly, the "old way of life" is an impossibility.
mircea_popescu: every shot policeman, every dollar embezzled, witheld from the irs, every subpar item delivered to the usg, everything.
ascii_field: this looks quite like folks who explained their gold/watches/dollars bootleg ops in moscow as 'help sink the stinking su faster !111'
mircea_popescu: everytime some derp is "offended" at who knows what offensiveness yet his offense rings impotent, the system dies a little.
mircea_popescu: the rest doesn't really matter.
ascii_field: eh there remain many megatonnes of fat to be trimmed from plebes like asciilifeform , ben_vulpes , et al before the usg ruling caste bleeds
mircea_popescu: every time you take a 19yo that'd have made someone a great wife and you make her a great whore, the system bleeds a little.
mircea_popescu: every time you leave the us, and continue to extract dollars from the us which however the usg can't tax, and spend them in kirgiztan, but so the kirgiztan also cant' tax, both bleed a little.
mircea_popescu: every time i talk to one of my chinese bankers here, moving some dollar bits against peso bits, both the argentine government and the us government bleed a little.
ascii_field: (or, in other words, what precisely is it that said system could not afford to lose ?)
assbot: Logged on 15-12-2015 19:43:10; mircea_popescu: well, in order for the system to collapse it must be made to bleed.
mircea_popescu: well, in order for the system to collapse it must be made to bleed.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field the difference between "not work for competition" and "capital control" is inexistent - the us is a centrally controlled economy just like the su. and so, the soviets couldn't leave because "the state invested in their education", right ?
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 06:06:39; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-11-2015#1323735 << i would happily move to the ar where mircea_popescu lives, but i will happily be shot in the head three times before i move to the ar where the argentines live.
ascii_field: well i'd happily move if i were 1337 enough to take the gradient, rather than BE the fuel
mircea_popescu: that much you can take to the wallet.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field by the time that's done, my dear alf, everyone who's still asleep ain't never waking up again.
mircea_popescu: which is why you gotta move. always go against the gradients/.
ascii_field: which is why i say 'mircea_popescu wake me up plz when you've transmuted the x to a y'
mircea_popescu: anyway, to the more general point here : i'm the only entity that can't be held hostage. "oh, we won't do X until you Y" works when I say it at others, not when others try it on me. you can't say "hey mp, you gotta do it like this", because the point isn't for me to get something done, the point is for me to change the way things are done in the first place.
ascii_field: the cheapness of turkeys/whores/petro/etc in shitholistans is a ~natural resource~, like any other thermodynamic gradient. and you don't get to ride the gradient just by asking, just like a random schmuck doesn't get to ride soviet plutonium just for asking.
ascii_field: (omfg they might take their bezzle dollars and bid up the cost of turkeys in shitholistan where we need'em cheap)
mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> shinohai: afaik the old corpse is just that - mit is the new phoundation <<< seems that way.
ascii_field: but the most basic thing, afaik, is simple capital control
ascii_field: (another tricky bit is that one of the things employers pay folks for is ~not working for competitor~ and this is difficult to monitor without on-site chair)
ascii_field: i could speculate re: ~why~ (short version: it's what usa has instead of a berlin wall - otherwise mass exodus of programmers etc. to cheapo banana republics)
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: possibly the hidden gotcha is that internet hasn't been invented yet on my planet. (i.e. folks offering the sort of work that i do, demand at least occasional physical chair parade)
mircea_popescu: ascii_field again : i expect that all arguments work both sides for me and for me only. you, you don't need meatwot can go wherever. the argentine derp, can not use internet, may not leave country.
mircea_popescu: <jurov> meeting them in flesh should overcome their problems with unusuallness or whatevs << not from experience. meeting idiots in the flesh doesn't make them less idiotic, just puts them in a better position to waste your time.
mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> but i'll be the first to say that i have certifiably nfi how programmerz find work in b-a! << you mean webwork. what else ?
mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> perhaps they have a trade publication where work is offered <<< you're thinking europe. think kirgizstan.
mircea_popescu: particularly because how dares this asshole to discern between useful and useless in the vast world full of possibilities which shouldn't be discriminated against or someshit.
mircea_popescu: jurov> anyway. since bsas is million metropol, there surely are some "coworking" places where exactly such art derps usually concetrate <<< yes but apparently they go in there thought the window not the door ; cant read in any case and anyway - too busy doing nothing to do soemthing useful
ascii_field also recalls the rental agency with btc private keys on placards thread
mircea_popescu: i understand "we"'d "all" love to be excused from the failures list, but that's not how it works.
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> offer comments on why flyers are retarded if you dare << besides the fucking point, really. i don't think they're not retarded. nevertheless, to the people who fail to take advantage of this, that failure is just another added failure.
jurov: actually now i remember he did not like any responsibility, like, gpg signing the releases
mircea_popescu: <jurov> other than "busy" << mmmkay.
ascii_field: but yeah, this whole thing is kinda replay of the old 'soviet vs roman army' thread, aha
ascii_field: well inspired by the 'starve to serve me' thing
mircea_popescu: and none of this is going to be changed by discussing around the bush.
ascii_field sometimes wonders if mircea_popescu does the 'nail in a coffin and float'em down the river as test of faith' thing also
mircea_popescu: he can starve to serve me and then i might consider him. before that he can get fucked.
mircea_popescu: i won't. because i'm not spending money that way, and i don't give a shit what the needs of whatever art derp are.
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> i've got a friend who did some 3d modelling & textures for the Ender's Game movie << and the eulora splashscreen was done by jason juta (ie, the guy that did half the wizards of the coast franchise). and yes, i could employ him (at his very reasonable rates) to do the whole thing.
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ascii_field: betcha there are first-class stories to be told.
adlai: the whole subreddit infighting is almost too bizarre
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ascii_field: or i'd be there now, forfucksake
ascii_field: but i'll be the first to say that i have certifiably nfi how programmerz find work in b-a!
ascii_field: perhaps they have a trade publication where work is offered
jurov: anyway. since bsas is million metropol, there surely are some "coworking" places where exactly such art derps usually concetrate
asciilifeform: somebody +v ascii_field por favor, he can't reach the button
jurov: other than "busy"
jurov: i did not get any further explanation
nubbins`: i've got a friend who did some 3d modelling & textures for the Ender's Game movie
mircea_popescu: he was very weirded out of whole situation and bailed out of the job << can we has detail ?
jurov: hahaha i for one did the effort of pulling game dev/artist to #eulora. he was very weirded out of whole situation and bailed out of the job, i had to compile stuff myself. i can't at all imagine him reacting to some pole-stuck pulp
nubbins`: maybe when mp moves to ulaan baatar, he can write "eulorum.org help wanted" on the side of a camel and run it through town
mircea_popescu: but i appreciate the "well since mom and dad filled the fridge clearly they have a responsibility to explai nto me why i should get a job".
nubbins`: you're prob right about the flyers thing
mircea_popescu: mno. i just answer to random idiots derping on in here, because of a naive and perhaps misplaced notion that they'll learn something from the experience.
mircea_popescu: this is besides the point. i am not held to justify what i do to you.
nubbins`: mp you know the opposite because, what? some random chick tells you "yeah this is how people find work here"
nubbins`: for reasons which i cannot begin to fathom, you seem to not equate these two things
nubbins`: dat invention of hypotheticals as a retort
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i don't want to work with people who pay "for software" in this sense anyway.
thestringpuller: don't think poor people are best adapted for working in 3DS Max/Maya given the time investment, plus the cost of the software.
nubbins`: i know this because nobody bothered reading your ads
nubbins`: you've rounded up all the 0.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i am saying that if i rouded up all the 10k or so computer art majors in town and gave them the choice of paying me 100k in cash or dying in a fire
ascii_field: 'The Bitcoin community had a huge opportunity to help shape ChangeTip into something beautiful to use to help bitcoin adoption forward, and largely has allowed negativity to consume this possibility.' << l0ltr0nic
nubbins`: what are you saying, the talent exists in b.a?
mircea_popescu: the argument here isn't that some unrelated people are poor. the argument here is that the very fucking people in question don't have fifty pesos.
nubbins`: you're struggling to string a point together here
mircea_popescu: why the fuck does that make a difference ? "because all people are people" ?
nubbins`: i don't think you actually understand how many people in seoul make a living picking grubs out of trees, boiling them, and selling them in little paper cups w/ a toothpick
mircea_popescu: i don't think you actually understand how poor these people are.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` seoul is a motherfucking rich place omfg.
nubbins`: i lived in seoul, 21mn people in metro area. know who's advertising on the poles?
mircea_popescu: EVERYTHING IS THE SAME!
mircea_popescu: ascii_field whart do you mean not true in ba! all places are the same places! all peopel are really the same as nubbins!
mircea_popescu: nubbins` ba is a city with more population than the whole country you live in omfg.
ascii_field: items which even the fishwrap would not print
mircea_popescu: "ethereum"
nubbins`: remember when you put up a bunch of flyers in b.a because it was the only city within driving distance?
ascii_field: nubbins`: where i live, posters on telephone poles are pretty much exclusively for classical scams (ponzi, 'sell house quick', 'work to save the earth!111', etc)
mircea_popescu: exactly the stalin approach.
mircea_popescu: there exist people in this world who are economically worthless because they are argentines. giving them an opportunity to starve so as to work for me, a guy that isn't economically worthless for being argentine, is a -ev play for most and a +ev play for some.
nubbins`: remember when leah goodman chose dorian nakamoto because he was the only satoshi within driving distance?
nubbins`: hey, that's the next best thing to actually claiming that yr approach to recruitment makes sense
assbot: Logged on 15-12-2015 18:50:16; mircea_popescu: ascii_field thestringpuller allow me to drag in the stalin and other people's fat thing.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` this is where you notice that you said something dumb and realise that maybe the other things you said come from the same place.
nubbins`: that's the qualifier now?
mircea_popescu: looky, you don't get to misrepresent what you hear on the basis of how stupid the parts of it that you understood seemed to you.
nubbins`: not because taping a flyer to a wall is the shittest way of doing what you're trying to do
mircea_popescu: "been to" is when you live there, with local women.
mircea_popescu: you're an above-average canadina living in canada. readily granted, but the world is not canada.
nubbins`: MP punching a loaf of bread with a quarter ham: "these idiot ingredients don't make a good sandwich"
mircea_popescu: the bar for "self-aware adult who lives in the world" is so fuycking high i don't think i'm necessarily there.
mircea_popescu: don't tell me YOU're the one that's fucking argentine art school majors ?
nubbins`: because i'm a self-aware adult who lives in the world?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` again, how the fuck would ytou know ?
nubbins`: the simple fact that you advertised in that manner means nobody qualified is gonna bother reading to the contact info
mircea_popescu: ascii_field thestringpuller allow me to drag in the stalin and other people's fat thing.
nubbins`: that's how the penniless search for help
thestringpuller: I think mircea_popescu underestimates the amount of effort that goes into tayloring game art skills.
nubbins`: talented people don't bother reading wheatpasted "help wanted" ads
nubbins`: on the basis that nobody anywhere in the world advertises for a position more involved than daycare in this manner
mircea_popescu: yeah well, then on what basis to you propose to put forth subtlety-based arguments such as that ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: laugh all you like, but i went & found a new gig the 'mainstream' way, sans meatwot
mircea_popescu: because I am the capitalist.
mircea_popescu: let's play this game where I use the argument both ways and nobody uses the counter-argument both ways against me
mircea_popescu: when i want to hire the useless shitsacks perambulating in buenos aires, they don't need me. becuase... internet.
nubbins`: i know two argentinian artists. know where they live?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: might ar be a candidate to become 'an india' - in the sense of coolie labour on warm chairs with keyboard ..?
nubbins`: that's the problem
mircea_popescu: nubbins` the ads were in argentina doh.
mircea_popescu: argentina is about as economically dead as you'd expect of a soy & other cash crops exporter.
ascii_field doesn't spend much time around the certified economically-dead folk
ascii_field: ah - them
mircea_popescu: they're the leah goodmans of this world. the people you think are what they wish they were, while meanwhile they starve while thinking somehow they're too good for my ten bitcents.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field none of these dudes get warm chairs of any kind.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` a) couple HUNDRED ; b) if i taped up not a couple, a single "jeans and chewing gum" ad in soviet blok, i'd have needed the canadian mounties to keep order.
nubbins`: in fairness, taping up a couple photocopies around the city isn't a great way to recruit specific talent
ascii_field: kentucky is not a magical enclave of the economically +ev
mircea_popescu: they simply tend to gravitate to places where their dismal means to life are sufficient to survive. "oh i couldn't live in kentucky"
ascii_field: the 'social media' maggots tend to gravitate to conurbations with good train service, etc
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: aha. these tend to be old grizzled folk
mircea_popescu: the 22 yo beggars are "working hard" at "their social media presence" and don't have access to a car.
mircea_popescu: but none of these beggars are 22.
ascii_field: but where i live, i see even street beggars get into at least a toyota at the end of a long hard day shaking a cup of coins
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: waitwut THAT'S the hierarchy ? easier to own woman than car ?
mircea_popescu: actually playing out a penitentiary inmate irl is a bar they have to prepare for.
mircea_popescu: forget owning their own women.
mircea_popescu: more importantly, none of those schmucks is the intellectual equal of "car ownership"
ascii_field: that marvel of precision engineering, the car that promptly falls apart after the last credit payment, is a fairly recent invention
mircea_popescu: coupla 20something kids that anyone simply wants to see raped to death. they're the couch surfing, biking, "creative" minds of the tomorrow / "economies of scale of being youtube famous meaning not famous"
pete_dushenski: oddly, only the poorest 'own' car. ($500 beater)
ascii_field: EVERYBODY in usaschwitz (with very few exceptions) spends a good chunk of the day in a car
mircea_popescu: ascii_field the problem with this is that nobody in the Housbroken universe actually owns a car.
ascii_field: not to mention the low-tech beauty of 'self-driving car accident' as a means of removing troublesome folk
nubbins`: for whom the booth tolls!
ascii_field: (everybody gets to go through the mw radar arch. and if you're flagged, your car will go straight to the crematorium)
ascii_field: not to mention the wonderful detours