punkman: they are putting it in next version iirc
asciilifeform: i'd like to know how the rangerz achieved the mandatory goal of making it an unreadable megalith
mircea_popescu wants serious review of the secp256k1 thing.
punkman: it's even in C without the ++
asciilifeform: except at the end you simply get a new aristocracy
mircea_popescu: similarly, the 9th earl of dumbass couldn't readily say "so what if the marquis of idiot has six horses pulling his cart ?"
mircea_popescu: "listen you dumb cunt, who the fuck told you must deserve a roof over your head, can't just wash stuff by hand in the river ?"
mircea_popescu: EXACTLY the same mechanism. nobody is about to ask his dearly beloved wife
mircea_popescu: gotta keep up with the jones.
mircea_popescu: the beauty of it is that it does more indirectly than directly.
mircea_popescu: it was, historically, the principal instrument used by the burgeoisie to lynch the aristocracy
mircea_popescu: mortgage has actually a very respectable history of unhinging idiots from their own money.
asciilifeform: PeterL: there is also a large group of people trying to convince anybody who will listen how great afterlife is
assbot: Logged on 19-12-2015 18:20:05; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2015#1347241 << the thing scammers never tell the scamee is that investing is a professional activity. no fucking exceptions.
PeterL: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2015#1347457 << there is a large group of people (mortgage originators, real-estate agents, etc) trying to convince people how amazing a mortgage is
asciilifeform: (the compiler demands it to have limitless tables, etc)
punkman: there's an ada crypto library that does EC
asciilifeform: nor put in the very real effort needed to properly grasp what the author thought he was doing.
asciilifeform: punkman: there was one, at one point i even cleaned it up a bit and posted to trb ml. BUT i was never actually able to get it to work
punkman: what was that other one hmm
punkman: well you gotta write it then
asciilifeform: libressl is an atrocity in no important way distinguishable from the original.
mircea_popescu: just making the point that he's got a single appendage, still sticks it into strange.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: LibreSSL node also runs with ~1GB of ram utilized at startup after last BDB locks patch because OpenBSD malloc something or other
mircea_popescu: they do.
mircea_popescu: what would it take for you to plug your only penis in the folds of a new hussy ?
mircea_popescu: but yes it would, in typical manner of the shitgnomerism that it is, exist solely as a leech-wrapper on something else.
mircea_popescu: jurov introducing various crashes along the way and a whole pile of complex strange.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform slowly. just like the contradiction between "don't hurt the woman" and "she bleeds" is resolved in practice3.
asciilifeform is still curious how the mega-contradiction between 'fix bitcoin' and 'hands off your father's vintage pistols' is to be resolved.
jurov: it does some dance, but in the end calls malloc every time
mircea_popescu: anyway. the thing leaks like a sieve.
gribble: Ignoring whining about OpenSSL in Valgrind - rachelbythebay: <https://rachelbythebay.com/w/2012/12/14/quiet/>; openssl / valgrind - Stack Overflow: <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/472809/openssl-valgrind>; #299 (Second memory leak) – libssh2: <http://trac.libssh2.org/ticket/299>
jurov: however, there *is* some special context management for temporary operations on bignums
mircea_popescu: i meant the openssl thing
asciilifeform: and move a perfectly legit node into pederasty vis a vis another node
asciilifeform: the only flaw is that, on the naked net as we now have it, usg can inject poor tx in between any two nodes
mircea_popescu: ie, a perfectly solid solution to the problem of tx price.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is the original plan neh ?
mircea_popescu: bitchslapping the redditards "we need free shit because that's what we're worth" is one thing. actually making txn cost what they cost is a whole other can of whipass.
mircea_popescu: jurov honestly i think the original design intent was that.
mircea_popescu: but you surely recall the original discussions of "bitcoin-as-filesystem" as a precursor to bitcoin-os
asciilifeform: approx. the same. result will look quite like, e.g., reiserfs.
asciilifeform: the correct solution to this is more or less equivalent to writing a filesystem.
jurov: asciilifeform: std::map is biggest problem that the actual tx+its script
asciilifeform: then you do the next arithmetically-adjacent tx, ad infinitum, until you have N contiguous bts free
asciilifeform: i was about to describe the only possible way to make it work.
asciilifeform: quite possibly the only way to actually make this go is a garbage collector ~with object relocation~
jurov: they are deallocated. but malloc won't give it back to teh system
asciilifeform: i though the whole thing was about how jurov found a way to actually deallocate tx
asciilifeform: 'The noise at 42 hour mark is zapmempool call, which shows it's still not really working.' << waitasec am i missing something ?
jurov: well. the nastiest smell i felt was from std::map, so i suggest to approach that one next.
mircea_popescu: this is not a sprint. it's not even a marathon. the most important thing, by a large margin, is plox don't kill yourselves fighting with it. if anyone goes "i'll tend to my ulcer once i sorted out THIS thing", that someone's going to be remembered as naggum 2.
asciilifeform is plagued by the suspicion that we are trying to remove a 20kg metastatic tumour using.. acupuncture
mircea_popescu: i am firmly convinced that you can lose an entire team of engineers in there, permanently.
mircea_popescu: 98.x% of my contribution as far as fucking up my own tech dept goes to date has been variations of "STOP WITH THE DAMNED CODE" and such.
asciilifeform: 'The next idea was,that heap is sprinkled with permanently allocated blocks data causing inability for malloc to release the memory back to the OS. I went to try and allocate these separately... and boy does that rabbit hole go deep...' << ty jurov, i was actually in the middle of doing this, and now i don't have to, l0l !!
ben_vulpes: i've almost forgotten how painful it is. i can tell because i'm itching to muntz further.
asciilifeform: jurov: i've been bashing my head against the thing pretty actively, on and off, for >1yr now. so you're doing pretty well.
ben_vulpes: i've been there too, jurov
mircea_popescu: there's a reason nobody really touched the spaghetti monster in five years jurov and this'd be that reason.
jurov: (note i'm not employed. these were full days. and still far from result)
mircea_popescu: somehow this gargle thing works do. it does something. it drives the kids loco.
mircea_popescu: expectations of life and the world.
mircea_popescu: of advice. Met people with amazing experience. We felt we were in the nexus of entrepreneurship and innovation. And we probably were. [...] It was like our feet never touched the ground." and no, i don't think it would be http://38.media.tumblr.com/74c80afbbf82765c41d7beec32221d2f/tumblr_inline_n60qz3Ti3Q1r0ojkh.jpg as everyone in that pic is distinctly uncomfortable with the bunny suit they gotta wear to cater to my
assbot: A startup postmortem with a happy ending? ..in... | By the Beard of Zeus! ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nvz17S )
mircea_popescu: http://fridriksson.tumblr.com/post/86584610871/a-startup-postmortem-with-a-happy-ending-in << perhaps a lulzy read for the forensic psychiatrist. what motivates some kids to live in a coffin for which they pay monthly the lifetime value of an average human being, while at the same time go all "We did the show and tell dance at Techcrunch Disrupt and DEMO. Networked at GigaOm RoadMap Con and YC Startup School. Got tons
asciilifeform: jurov: pretty interesting, i'll say more after i actually read the thing
mircea_popescu: ace from our friends at OneLogin, our burnrate wasnt yet gone through the roof. But close.."
mircea_popescu: "From the comfort of the backyard cabin we moved to big city San Francisco and faced the totally hopeless situation of finding a place to live. We survived the first two weeks by renting office space at Tradeshift and sleeping on their couches at night. Not sure if they ever found that out. Finally we managed to get a 9 m2/97 sqft room through our Y-Combinator network. Rent $1,250. Dang! But since we had free office sp
assbot: Logged on 19-12-2015 21:26:52; jurov: mod6 asciilifeform: the turd http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-December/000186.html
mircea_popescu: but hey... "online advertising is an industree. because google "makes revenue" from it, which is to say some people recycle bezzle funds through there and everyone outside actually believes someone somewhere paid 5bn for ppc.
mircea_popescu: In our first year, that conviction drove our experiments with a series of other channels: PPC, partnerships, deals, guerilla type tactics, targeted mailings, craigslist posting tools, etc. Each experiment produced results inferior to those from SEO. The acquisition costs through those channels were significantly higher than what was allowable based on our revenue per customers. We also found that potential customers co
mircea_popescu: That worked brilliantly for us. We acquired users for practically nothing by using the content and site structure generated as a byproduct of our tutor acquisition. However, that success was also a trap. It convinced us that there had to be another channel that would perform for us at the level of SEO.
mircea_popescu: in other news, "Tutorspree didnt scale because we were single channel dependent and that channel shifted on us radically and suddenly. SEO was baked into our model from the start, and it became increasingly important to the business as we grew and evolved. In our early days, and during Y Combinator, we didnt have money to spend on acquisition. SEO was free so we focused on it and got good at it.
mircea_popescu: they don't want that part of bitcoin anymore. it's "blockchain technologies" now as far as reddit is concered, with spv mining, 0tx fees and hopefully increasing block subsidies in the future.
BingoBoingo: I'm surprised no one on the Luke-Jr derpity herp herp reddit thread pointed out you are supposed to wait for 6 confirmations
BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2015#1347622 << "High end" furnished apartements advertising themselve as such exist. Frenquently offered as "executive" option by "big tower" apartment renters.
TomServo: I'm unable to get a matching sha256sum on 0.5.4-TEST2 [x86-64] [Latest] at thebitcoin.foundation - could anyone confirm?
ben_vulpes: just to be sure i'm on the same page, this 'hang' eventually ends when the node completely processes the block?
ben_vulpes: well i'm yes? ing about the black hole.
asciilifeform: (also recall that the block verification dead-time happens ~at both ends~ of a connection)
asciilifeform: this is a consequence of the idiot cooperative-multitask model used.
asciilifeform: because these do not take massive nonpreemptible block of time.
ben_vulpes: other than listening for new blocks in steady state in my experience.
asciilifeform: a trb node in the 'blackhole' state is also extremely slow to respond to local api reqs
mircea_popescu: loft apt hotel ? rented by the year ?!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dude, seriously, the only time i rented in that part of the world, place came with complete everything. boxsprings.
pete_dushenski: american flats don't come with mattresses omfg << even if they did, no one would use them.
asciilifeform: have nothing to do with the leased property
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform insurance co does not give you new matressess because kid pissed it ; nor new shoes because dog chewed them.
pete_dushenski not looking forward to 'other repairs'
assbot: Logged on 07-12-2015 23:34:54; mircea_popescu: and if you want actual numbers, i just got a coupla girlies an apt. the sale value would have been i guess 160-170k or so. the monthly rent is 750. the first month, the washing machine went, and the owner replaced it. the next month, ac went (brother was that an incredible pos job wow), owner replaced it. so far owner's been making 0 from his property.
asciilifeform: getting it to actually happen - another matter
mircea_popescu: you ain't getting the landlord to do your repairs.
pete_dushenski: there's also nothing stopping tenants and landlords to signing 5-year leases
pete_dushenski: nt of capital), are retained regardless of the presence or absence of children
assbot: Logged on 19-12-2015 17:47:27; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2015#1347236 << the advantages of renting are mutually incompatible with the disadvantages of having kids. so...
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2015#1347412 << to the extent that the disadvantage of having kids is inflexibility and increased desire for a fixed locality, and that the advantage of renting is the ability to bounce from place to place with relatively low friction, then yes. but the other advantages of renting, namely financial (repair costs, downside of housing market, unproductive use of large amou
pete_dushenski: the level of graphicness of that depiction makes me think it wasn't even in engligh
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: certainly not from there
assbot: Logged on 19-12-2015 17:35:45; asciilifeform: and can anybody recall where i got the notion that ottomans had headless races? (two prisoners run past swordsmen, heads chopped, hot iron 'thumb tacks' inserted in stumps, bodies keep running)
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2015#1347371 << don't recall this from barber's 'the sultans', so that's out.
mircea_popescu: "We could have and should have used the proceeds of the convertible note to get out from under Facebooks thumb rather to invest further in the Facebook Platform."
mircea_popescu: "oh... there's no difference between that velociraptor that ate my arm, and that other velociraptor that ate my arm. wanna come play with my velociraptor ? no ? what do you mean no!"
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2015#1347332 << not quite the same. for weed, sellers just have to be 'licensed' ; whereas with drivers ed, sounds like dutch are putting the teacher in control and letting him separate the lemma from the palea so that he's not forced to bang mayo-gendered just because girl can't pay any other way
mircea_popescu: "We exposed ourselves to a huge single point of failure called Facebook. Ive ranted for years about how bad an idea it is for startups to be mobile-carrier dependent. In retrospect, there is no difference between Verizon Wireless and Facebook in this context."
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2015#1347340 << 4th has the advantage of time.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nice paste, for it includes the fee schedule huh.,
mircea_popescu: what was that group of idiots that died of hunger/ate each other in nevada ?
asciilifeform: shouldn't he be off shooting a sheriff somewhere, then ?
asciilifeform: incidentally, the latter habitually connects via ~my~ trb nodez
mircea_popescu: "I can even get it up to 2 or 3 block confirmation before the real network overtakes it with a longer chain. This is a risk accepted as a tradeoff by SPV clients, but not acceptable for full node clients which are expected to be secure on their own."
assbot: luke-jr comments on Could a cartel of pool operators collude to 51%-attack the blockchain and/or change the protocol? ... ( http://bit.ly/1NDI98l )
asciilifeform: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3fg0jw/could_a_cartel_of_pool_operators_collude_to/ctoavfi << from deep in the l0lminez
mircea_popescu: anyway, lulzy read for me. "what do you mean coming up with this complex theoretico-fantastico-nonsensical echaufadage did EXACTLY NOTHING ?!?!?!?!? but i thought thoughts alter reality! we rose the awareness to lilac levels!"
mircea_popescu: this is pointedly not happening. because they're bees.
mircea_popescu: the "go shoot a cop" strategy would be where bee activates her ovaries, other bees kill her offspring, she kills [one of] those other bees.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform bees are technically social media journalists. vestigially female, overweight, buzzing around for the buzz.
mircea_popescu: you can't fight power. you can think you do. and then fail and wonder where you went wrong.
asciilifeform: y'know, if men were bees, ready to sting and die for the motherland any time, we would not be in any of the shit.
mircea_popescu: o look at that, NOW the labels on things are a good thing ?
mircea_popescu: re adding vanilla extract to the cake instead of arsenic.
mircea_popescu: My feelings, and the feelings of many people I know, are more hurt by the prolonged waiting for a concrete answer while we sit quietly with our feigned Chill. It is as if Ive broken some unwritten law when I ask what they are looking for and am dissatisfied with the answer I dont really like to put labels on things. But putting labels on things are how people find the exit during a fire and make sure they
mircea_popescu: "here's where we stand : until and unless you burn down the entire politico-juridistical establishment of the entire faux-free world, i ain't signing any paper with you."
mircea_popescu: it's funny how this shit works - all teh victorious 4-th shitwave feminism somehow left actual females on the ground with a thicker implement with more barbs on it up their ass.
asciilifeform: 'accountability' for obamitler sounds rather like accountability for a thunderstorm
mircea_popescu: that's where she's got the idea for accountability. obama's doin' aite, i guess. it's the schmuck sort-of dating her that needs more of the gel.
mircea_popescu: ur phone into the nearest volcano. Chill asks you to be like, LOL, what volcano? Chill presides over the funeral of reasonable expectations. Chill takes and never gives. Chill is pathologically unfeeling but not even interesting enough to kill anyone. Chill is a garbage virtue that will destroy the species. Fuck Chill."
mircea_popescu: "But Chill is not the opposite of uptight. It is the opposite of demanding accountability. Chill is a sinister refashioning of Calm down! from an enraging and highly gendered command into an admirable attitude. Chill suggests that young love is best expressed as competitive ambivalence. Chill demands that you see a Read receipt followed by a Hey, was asleep text three hours later and not proceed to throw yo
mircea_popescu: "hey... these guys put in some good sweat! briefly...."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform apparently some guy trying to inform the tardstalk ?
asciilifeform: dont tell me these were all 1 box1!111
gribble: thewhet.net is up
asciilifeform: ;;isup thewhet.net
mircea_popescu: i tell ye.... comfort is the enemy of competence.
mircea_popescu: god damned it. /me says to woman, "just set the soup on a low fire, i'll serve myself", promptly forgets about the entire thing. soup boils patiently for 40 minutes.
asciilifeform suspects that gnomes will have to resort to reducing the number of operational... people
mircea_popescu: 17:32:44 renart: the maximum number of operational systems continues to decrease
asciilifeform: kakobrekla et al: bucephalus is down and will be until i can get to the cabinet and see wtf
mircea_popescu: protip : baby oil is what makes the bitches slick.
mircea_popescu: i suppose THAT is what the occasional derp means by sociopath.
mircea_popescu is a firm believer in "scream at the market until it alligns. and if it doesn't, burn it down."
mircea_popescu: and if you aren't poor why are you renting in the poor section ?
asciilifeform: if my pad had come with any, i'd have to find a place to safely stow it, or swallow the cost of dumping it
ben_vulpes: victory of the rentiers.
mircea_popescu: why am i taking possession of industrial machinery by the month.
mircea_popescu: the notion you'd rent bare walls is so bizarre. is this a 10 year leasing agreement or something ?
mircea_popescu: but from experience, what passes for 'normal' furnishings (all new appliances, genuine leather upholstery, etc) in ro is "luxury" if even awailable in massachussetts.
mircea_popescu: and the utilities situation, idem x2.
mircea_popescu: which is weird, because the transportation situation idem
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the rental situation is pretty much idiotic anywhere outside europe.
asciilifeform: other thing re: 'buy vs rent' - i learned that u.s. folk typically 'buy' for two reasons - 1) massive tax subsidy for mortgageism; 2) - interestingly - the extreme scarcity of rental ~house~ as a thing
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2015#1347241 << the thing scammers never tell the scamee is that investing is a professional activity. no fucking exceptions.
mircea_popescu: for one thing, men are supposed to have loose ties with their offspring in the first place.
mircea_popescu: (the word in that v-speak is "keep it real")
mircea_popescu: to teach them how to steal and how to pick bitchez, i guess.
mircea_popescu: thief being the more skilled version.
mircea_popescu: "marriage". it's a flexible institution. seems the correct implementation of ghetto-marriage (as opposed to the middle class white same sex marriage thing they do - yes it's always two women) is where you keep 2-5 bitchez and professionally are either a thief or a drug dealer.
asciilifeform: see also the brooklyn hassids who successfully adopted this racket
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: marriage?! if you marry'em they qualify for 0 dole
mircea_popescu: the results are about what you'd expect out of a process designed, managed and paid for by a government, but hey.
mircea_popescu: in fairness, if you're going to raise kids correctly in the states, the govt pays for most of it.
assbot: Logged on 19-12-2015 17:49:00; mircea_popescu: if i was going to raise a litter i'd definitely buy. now it's true that if i did i'd buy in kandahar, and i would never even consider it with a single woman, but i guess these'd be details. fact remains if you're going to kids you're much better off with ownership.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2015#1347414 << in kandahar the house is actually yours because your 'deed' consists of 14 sons each with kalash.
mircea_popescu: "i got this here aileron, just like the f1 ferrarris use. on my ford truck. because sometimes five ton ford trucks take off the road under their own speed."
mircea_popescu: kids are the exact bane of flexibility. this needs no discussion, does it ?
mircea_popescu: not what was said. "the advantages of renting are mutually incompatible with the disadvantages of having kids."
renart: why is the fact that owning is so much better with kids?
mircea_popescu: if i was going to raise a litter i'd definitely buy. now it's true that if i did i'd buy in kandahar, and i would never even consider it with a single woman, but i guess these'd be details. fact remains if you're going to kids you're much better off with ownership.
assbot: Logged on 19-12-2015 16:09:46; PeterL: There are advantages to renting, like moving is alot easier.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2015#1347236 << the advantages of renting are mutually incompatible with the disadvantages of having kids. so...
mircea_popescu: then i tell them about how if i wanted to buy real estate i'd buy a ranch in montana for the same money, they go all incredulous. because yeah they do nothing but watch us exports on the tube all day, but they don't have either the unlazy intensity to try and get complete data or the mental acuity to understand how that's done.
assbot: Logged on 19-12-2015 16:02:21; PeterL: liquidassets: I owed about 110k on the mortgage, house sold for about 35k. So I guess it was more like 75k "income" that was "forgiven" by USG for taxes.
gribble: (search <word>) -- Searches for <word> in the current configuration variables.
mircea_popescu: you don't understand how the internet works foxperson. minutia is all it's got.
renart: well there we differ in opinion
renart doesn't think the offhand comment bears such close scrutiny
assbot: Logged on 19-12-2015 16:17:15; PeterL: Now I would want to get a house with a large down-payment, pay it off quickly, then not have to worry about a monthly rent payment
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2015#1347239 << as per the old jewish saying, 'much better to be rich and healthy than poor and infirm'
mircea_popescu: ", I had no idea that Id end the day going from casually dating six men to formally and intentionally dating zero."
renart: mircea_popescu: aw man then it won't be funny
trinque chuckles at liquidassets linking causes-and-purposes and then saying "to what end"
asciilifeform: and can anybody recall where i got the notion that ottomans had headless races? (two prisoners run past swordsmen, heads chopped, hot iron 'thumb tacks' inserted in stumps, bodies keep running)
mircea_popescu: renart trinque translate the joke to an old man ? i'm like... not following.
trinque: then he says "to what end"
renart: in the variety speak.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: will there be bashi-bazouks? beheading contests? headless footraces ?
mircea_popescu looking forward to the nato response ot the wave of 50mn turkish refugees once that thing blows up.
renart: yes, liquidassets, that *is* the reference i'm making!
asciilifeform could not actually bring himself to read the thing, only saw 'map of nato'
asciilifeform: hey i only looked at the map
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you seriously are quoting the fucking economist ?
liquidassets: I think their 'friendship' is tenuous but whatevs
renart: the maximum number of operational systems continues to decrease
mircea_popescu: assbot ? tell me what these people are on about ?
renart: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2015#1347303 << some guy who showed up, got into some faux drama with some friend of dpb's, is now working furiously towards some end or other
assbot: Logged on 19-12-2015 14:23:47; pete_dushenski: https://archive.is/VdFt3 << or the impotence of the economist's paywall.
assbot: Logged on 18-12-2015 22:13:12; pete_dushenski: i thought ben_vulpes was all 'auto-auto-mobiles are the footoor because bayes'
renart: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-12-2015#1346885 << despite how much you want cheap fuel for your bombast engine, this was never the case.
liquidassets: come up to the surface alf
assbot: Logged on 19-12-2015 13:42:01; pete_dushenski: "The government in the Netherlands has clarified that it is legal for driving instructors to offer lessons in return for sex, as long as the students are over the age of 18. However, it is illegal to offer sex in return for lessons." << hahaha so man may proposition fillie but not vice versa eh. man i like those dutch.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mod6 does yours (or anybody else's) 'v' verify the hashes ?
asciilifeform: because as far as i can see from my periscope, the towelheads are as necessary for usg as air ?
mircea_popescu: i dunno why you keep repeating this fantasy lol. not like it's going to get rejected 500 times and then accepted on the 501st pass ?
asciilifeform: the towelheads are usg contractors in good standing.
mircea_popescu: leaving aside the putins and chinese bureaucrats of this world... so far is having a lot of trouble doing anything worth the mention to a large mass of towelheads.
asciilifeform: (and to everybody else, but to them, ~cheaply~)
asciilifeform: usg can do pretty much whatever it wants, to them.
asciilifeform: http://www.fc00.org << map of cjdns net. imho the fact that it is possible to draw this map is a serious flaw.
asciilifeform: 'Cjdns addresses are the first 16 bytes (128 bits) of the double SHA-512 of the public key.'
assbot: Logged on 19-12-2015 04:42:42; BingoBoingo: More keep popping up https://bitnodes.21.co/nodes/?q=/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99
liquidassets: in spite of these two failures I manage a decent size portfolio now
PeterL: there is one question "does it make sense to rent or buy (or try squatting) based on my financial situation?" and a separate question of "I have x money to invest, should I put it in real estate or investment y or z?"
liquidassets: I've just tried to blend the two as much as possible
liquidassets: Not exactly there's some nuance to 'investment'
PeterL: everybody needs somewhere to live, but real estate investments should be compared against other possible means of investment
liquidassets: so best thing to do is find a 4 unit you can tolerate living in with your tenants (if the loan you get requires you to owner occupy)
liquidassets: afaik in US properties with 1-4 units qualify for all the same types of loans
liquidassets: If your 'goal' is to be comfortable with no debt, I commend you..for the no debt part...kind of. But the money rules are made to take the most advantage of those that make comfortability their goal
PeterL: I just hope I can get things together before interest rates go up too much.
liquidassets: Look, with interest rates on 30 year mort as low as they have been, why aren't you leveraging?
liquidassets: most people just want to be comfortable and not have to worry so much...most people isn't the group you want to be in