assbot: Logged on 21-12-2015 04:33:15; punkman: "But I'm game. Give me a problem with 1,000,000 lines of C. But don't expect me to read the C, I couldn't. And don't think I'll have to write 10,000 lines of Forth. Just give me the specs of the problem, and documentation of the interface."
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349099 << there are NO programming problems which merit a million lines of c. FOR THE SAME REASON as there are no architectural problems which merit a megatonne of tongue depressors.
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asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349091 << not only no opteron, but the benchmark itself is gimmicked - use of magical intel instructions
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349086 << see the thread from 2 wks ago re: benchmarks and intel's 20 year record of elaborate fraud
assbot: Logged on 21-12-2015 00:39:32; ben_vulpes: i don't see a macri coming by to devalue the webstack though. have been struggling to cook up the scenario wherein the world's managers declare technological bankruptcy and completely failing.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349039 << closest thing i know of to this is that ru ministry where they installed typewriters last year
assbot: Logged on 21-12-2015 00:27:34; mircea_popescu: nobody cares to look at the root causes. "hey derps ? you're being as inefficient as humanly possible" "well of course, any other course would be an economic disaster" "your idea of economy is like a rat's idea of hygiene : the more sewers the better" "so ?"
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349033 << 'programmers get off on complexity the way weight lifters get off on weight'
asciilifeform: and everything that will ever come later in re: trb, will be vpatches on top of the contents of that cd.
assbot: Logged on 21-12-2015 00:06:59; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> pressing of cd was perhaps the ONE good idea in openbsd <<< certainly not a bad one.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349020 << i'd like to actually press a cd. with the understanding that everything that will ever happen to the reference implementation, incl. compiler, asm, the whole toolchain shebang, all kernels worth looking at from the past, all trb dependencies, etc. WILL BE ON IT
assbot: Logged on 21-12-2015 00:03:55; mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> incidentally the de-glibc-ized trb WILL run on netbsd now! << o hey!
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349015 << you know that was kinda why i did the whole libc investigation, recall ?
punkman: "But I'm game. Give me a problem with 1,000,000 lines of C. But don't expect me to read the C, I couldn't. And don't think I'll have to write 10,000 lines of Forth. Just give me the specs of the problem, and documentation of the interface."
punkman: no server worthy AMDs in there?
mircea_popescu: freedom's just another word.... http://40.media.tumblr.com/4c8a0c0bd8d6e55da3a02ccf28b84f9f/tumblr_msgliomSm21qzaw65o1_1280.jpg
liquidassets: date=18-12-2015#1346518 << Maybe why I walk around with this shit eating grin all the time..
assbot: Logged on 07-12-2015 23:34:54; mircea_popescu: and if you want actual numbers, i just got a coupla girlies an apt. the sale value would have been i guess 160-170k or so. the monthly rent is 750. the first month, the washing machine went, and the owner replaced it. the next month, ac went (brother was that an incredible pos job wow), owner replaced it. so far owner's been making 0 from his property.
gabrielradio: the last one is particularly instructive
mircea_popescu: any place where your fiance (that's only had sex with like... 2 guys before you, and you're the best, and her father paid for her college) doesn't want to go but the stripper you met yesterday does.
mircea_popescu: gabrielradio any place that currently has currency controls in place is a good bet ; any place where rents are below cover value (romania - perhaps with the exception of bucharest - is a fine example here). any country with a weak central government (the ones with a strong central government don't have a middle class by definition). on it goes.
assbot: Logged on 07-12-2015 23:39:51; mircea_popescu: for this reason. the fundamental incentive to living anywhere is whether you can stick it to the middle class through this mechanism or not. if you can't, they can stew in their own juices and play mahjong or whatever the fuck they play, bingo.
gabrielradio: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2015#1338679 << besides buenos aires, which other cities would qualify?
mircea_popescu: how's he not better, how's he different from every afrigan goat ex-herder (the flood/drought/global warming/xenu killed the goats) that's now a garbage trawler ?
mircea_popescu: well he moves on to medium, and keeps at it. one of these days, if he wishes it hard enough, someone somewhere is going to trade actual bowls of soup and actual bong hits and so forth for some shit he found on a hard drive in the garbage dump.
mircea_popescu: shit doesn't make sense there, chiefly because wtf, it's still a pointless perl script nobody cares about. so he...
mircea_popescu: THEN when that boring shit goes nowhere, he convinces some misfortunate borderlines to... go live in thailand! because totally, shit'll make sense there.
mircea_popescu: so 1st, he's going to "sell" the genius "service" of literally a half hour's worth of perling around. and goes through all the motion as if this nonsense were genuinely a business, and had anything to do with money, employment, the works.
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mircea_popescu: about as sterile as it gets, except for the part where it drives the emotions of the mob into max gear.
mircea_popescu: so, on its own terms, in its own time, it just sinks further into this shitpit.
mircea_popescu: amusingly enough, this isn't the first pass of this nonsense. bill gates built microsoft out of the exactly same idiocy.
mircea_popescu: the way this shitshow worked is that every single fucking derp running the "changing the world" pseudo-entrepreneurial circuit is trying to encapsulate a short perl program into "a website" and then "sell it" to "a market". because fuck me, seriously, there's now "a market" for five awk calls. every single fucking "service" and "idea" and "product" and bullshit out there looking for "investment" is really a glorified p
ben_vulpes looks forward to mp's contract for the death of modern web tech
mircea_popescu: at some point and on some level the nude reality of "this guy wants you dead. no, he doesn't think you did a great thing. he doesn't even think you're 'not worth hiring' or even worth zero. he thinks you're so far under 0 it can't be put in other words". and "aaaah, he's crazy" only goes so far.
mircea_popescu: exactly in the same way "development" is similar to "argentina"
ben_vulpes: i don't see a macri coming by to devalue the webstack though. have been struggling to cook up the scenario wherein the world's managers declare technological bankruptcy and completely failing.
ben_vulpes: the mess of complexity in development (not just 'web', chil'ren) is very very similar to the argentine problem of everyone believing their flats are worth all that us paper.
mircea_popescu: "It is in a programmer's best interest to exaggerate the complexity of his program."
mircea_popescu: nobody cares to look at the root causes. "hey derps ? you're being as inefficient as humanly possible" "well of course, any other course would be an economic disaster" "your idea of economy is like a rat's idea of hygiene : the more sewers the better" "so ?"
mircea_popescu: meanwhile a whole lot of "global warming" snake oilmanship and heaps upon heaps of idle handwringing about various restatements of the "ecology" problem.
mircea_popescu: heh. he's right there. it would be an pseudo-economic disaster, in the sense "economic" has come to carry in the world of "we just wanted to" and "we have come to expect".
mircea_popescu: you gotta read the logs
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> pressing of cd was perhaps the ONE good idea in openbsd <<< certainly not a bad one.
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> how to bridge the gap between 'v means i read and agree' vs. 'we need the source for these deps in the v-tree'? <<< " I signed this because we need the source for this shit. I didn't read it, I don't need to read it to tell you it's shit."
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: you know we really need a lot better communication for these things.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> incidentally the de-glibc-ized trb WILL run on netbsd now! << o hey!
assbot: Logged on 20-12-2015 21:51:41; mod6: but then alf said it's not ``'V'ifiable'' or something of the kind.
mircea_popescu: what, we only 0.01% of the engineers we need, why not make it 0.00001% ?
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> only question in my mind is if we stick linus' kernel in there too. <<< eventually ;/
ben_vulpes: legend has it that he reprogrammed hung satellites on the fly with forth
adlai: the culprit is variadicity, syntax is a lot easier when all operators have known 'stack effect'
adlai: "As an infix language, it encourages nested parentheses. Sometimes to a ludicrous extent. They must be counted and balanced." << some maintain that even prefix notation has this effect...
jurov: "But don't expect me to read the C, I couldn't."
ben_vulpes: yeah i didn't hear anything from asciilifeform to the contrary
mod6: so just to be clear, so I'm not holding anything up here; hashes of the following tarballs in V: BDB, openssl, and boost.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
thestringpuller: ;;later tell pete_dushenski Did charlie just steal your article? https://medium.com/@SatoshiLite/eating-the-bitcoin-cake-fc2b4ebfb85e#.7l1nrx2a9
mod6: there's just a ton of stuff to do, 'tis all.
ben_vulpes will sign off on tarballs and v'd hashes thereof.
asciilifeform: mod6: we need to write own everything. long before the end.
ben_vulpes: yeah we might get there and again stan might get hit by a bus tomorrow
ben_vulpes: and just the likelihood of that happening makes me want those under v.
mod6: in the end.
asciilifeform: alternatively the whole orchestra is removable if somebody finds a bag of gold
asciilifeform: openssl is removable as per yesterday's thread (and the three or four similar old threadz)
asciilifeform: pressing of cd was perhaps the ONE good idea in openbsd
asciilifeform: then we can have cd pressed, at some point, and distribute ANY AND ALL changes as vpatches.
asciilifeform: but yes, fetching tarballs from the net during a build is retarded
ben_vulpes: our current vendoring goes and pulls that from thebitcoin.foundation, right?
asciilifeform: but notably, the result is NOT something that anybody will dive into and clean up trb-style
asciilifeform: just hash the contents of buildroot's cache dir
assbot: Logged on 20-12-2015 22:01:59; asciilifeform: incidentally the de-glibc-ized trb WILL run on netbsd now!
asciilifeform: imho it has strictly two uses, 1) REFERENCE for writing an actual bitcoinatron, which is ~why i asked for it~ 2) keep the continuity flame burning until we can have 1
asciilifeform: i may have said this before, but it bears repeating - some folks might be labouring under unrealistic expectations re: what is possible with the reference trb.
mod6: or simply just a manifest of tarballs/deps required for the one-button-push deployment of trb
asciilifeform: v the tarball hashes.
ben_vulpes: how to bridge the gap between 'v means i read and agree' vs. 'we need the source for these deps in the v-tree'?
mod6: they're all a can-o-worms
ben_vulpes: none of those are really human-verifiable either.
asciilifeform: this experiment, if anyone recalls, is how i discovered the libc crud to begin with
asciilifeform: incidentally the de-glibc-ized trb WILL run on netbsd now!
asciilifeform: BUT i never finished the nand support.
asciilifeform: i even ported it to motherfucking pogo
ben_vulpes: (the kernel line was a joke, but whatever)
asciilifeform: i did try netbsd, which has all of the same necessary attributes, BUT lacked essential drivers
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: so buildroot is out of scope then.
asciilifeform: (and, note, there is NO known alternative to it)
assbot: Logged on 20-12-2015 21:51:41; mod6: but then alf said it's not ``'V'ifiable'' or something of the kind.
asciilifeform: rather than it being any kind of long-term answer to ANYTHING.
asciilifeform: i picked buildroot because it was the ONLY practical solution to letting folks who had not dedicated their lives to self-torture build a reasonable self-contained linux for $weirdcpu
assbot: Logged on 20-12-2015 21:51:10; ben_vulpes: well yes, source of all the deps right? are we biting off buildroot as well?
mod6: <+asciilifeform> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-12-2015#1348879 << buildroot, iirc, will load tarballs from a local dir if they are present << yeah I think it does this from the 'dl' directory
assbot: Logged on 20-12-2015 21:51:41; mod6: but then alf said it's not ``'V'ifiable'' or something of the kind.
mod6: think its worthwhile just to put out the changes for V to have the checking of the hashes in place, while skipping over any "b" that is false? (files that since been deleted?)
assbot: Logged on 20-12-2015 21:51:10; ben_vulpes: well yes, source of all the deps right? are we biting off buildroot as well?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-12-2015#1348879 << buildroot, iirc, will load tarballs from a local dir if they are present
assbot: Logged on 20-12-2015 21:25:44; mod6: asciilifeform: ok. i'll think about how to implement these changes to V. right now, im not sure.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-12-2015#1348856 << i'm not actually sure whether it needs any change
assbot: Logged on 11-12-2015 02:21:30; mod6: so what I'm hoping to accomplish here is to alter the .mk files that accompany buildroot, so they pull the 3rd party reqs directly from the foundation site instead of wherever they currently point to.
mod6: I think this was the conversation from a few weeks ago: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-12-2015#1340754
ben_vulpes: only question in my mind is if we stick linus' kernel in there too.
ben_vulpes: one could stick source dependencies into some "lib" dir, wire that into the builder, update the scripts and then produce some new patches with the entire world, right?
mircea_popescu: the FIRST cal however, is an infinity of leaks.
mircea_popescu: well no. every additional http call to get anothe rbundle is nothing
ben_vulpes: simply because every additional http call to get another bundle of source is another weak link, another hole for the night etc
mod6: my original idea was the former.
ben_vulpes: well yes, source of all the deps right? are we biting off buildroot as well?
mircea_popescu: prolly the latter.
mircea_popescu: in other news, one inch of costa rica coffee, three inches of milk, a pinch of black sugar, three drops of vanilla oil (actual!), four ice-cubes and havana club anejo especial (genuine) qs makes the god-damnedest... bootleg kalhua let's call it/
mod6: so I think programatically I have it worked out on how to make this happen, was about to test last weekend? lemme dig up the logs on this.
mircea_popescu: the question's thorny enough
mod6: ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, asciilifeform: what are we to do about the deps for buildroot?
BingoBoingo: "When police responded to the accident, a witness said a police car had caused the damage and fled."
BingoBoingo: "Somehow this soft suburban environment and two witlessly loving parents who trusted friends, relatives, teachers and neighbors with their oldest son, resulted in a violent psychopath. " >> http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=3490
mod6: asciilifeform: ok. i'll think about how to implement these changes to V. right now, im not sure.
BingoBoingo: But that's when integer mmol/liter in the body is achived.
BingoBoingo: It's good stuff. Just doctor sort of lithium doses aren't very good for actual hot weather. That much of different salt really messes with the sweating and made for a miserable summer.
BingoBoingo: Lithium's also the very rare psych drug that actually reduces suicide risk
BingoBoingo: jurov: AHA. I was just thinking something to reduce the voltages a bit, though too much lithium takes the action potentials up to 111eleventy!!! and seizures.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell TheNewDeal Have you considered lithium cooling for your brain to increase USG resistance?
mircea_popescu: above, simple weighted averaging. if you have any knowledge of the field there's prolly a better curve to use
mircea_popescu: obviously, HOW you reconcile the numbers is an open question.
mircea_popescu: for instance : if bet on tails is 50/40 btc and bet on heads is 42/49 btc, and they're both the same coin toss, then you could say it's (50+49)/(90+91) for tails.)
ben_vulpes: i guess i'm asking if there's a known closed-form solution to this question.
jurov: they're not pathological, just black swans. with a toupee.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes there's going to be disagreement so you hafta reconcile numbers somehow.
ben_vulpes: jurov: please for to not be getting the pathological cases involved
ben_vulpes: there are n candidates, each with individual odds of winning a competition. how do i derive odds on the whole field from those binary outcomes?
mircea_popescu: <TheNewDeal> I'll tell all of you where I live and my name and then they can watch for the news << alright ?
ben_vulpes: beyond that mircea_popescu and hanbot are probably the experts and asciilifeform might know the maths
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: what means 'almost shot' ? bullet whistled by, took off hat ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: unrelatedly, how does one calculate the odds of mutually-exclusive outcomes from binary odds on each individual outcome?
TheNewDeal: there's a lot of loose ends that are popping up for me
ben_vulpes: where's the "MPEx down for over a month in 2016" bet?
ben_vulpes: TheNewDeal: mircea_popescu's boxes are getting stolen and you're complaining about a bad trip?
assbot: Logged on 20-12-2015 12:29:21; mircea_popescu: in other news, sprint.pl "one the most advanced centers in Poland for data storage and processing, created in response to the growing demands of the market" ran off with muh boxen.
punkman: just the good old ddos
TheNewDeal: any other USians notice any chinese style firewalls occuring for websites like trilema?
TheNewDeal: !rate Birdman 1 suspicious; keep friends and enemies close in the WOT
assbot: Trust relationship from user Birdman to user thenewdeal: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=Birdman&to=thenewdeal | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/thenewdeal/
Birdman: !gettrust thenewdeal
TheNewDeal: I think they're using me to scare people away from bitcoin
TheNewDeal: !rate TheNewDeal -10 potential USG spy, suspected terror alert
TheNewDeal: !rate TheNewDeal potential USG spy, suspected terror alert
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://45.media.tumblr.com/33e13281ec7e158dda7b52d242bcecf3/tumblr_mra2lo0HoZ1s8ztwao1_500.gif
asciilifeform: is TheNewDeal 'calling in strike on own position' ?
TheNewDeal: I would not trust my own transmissions in the future, I believe they've gained access to my keys
mircea_popescu: in fact people routinely get poisoned with co and have not the slightest inkling.
mircea_popescu: it's not in the slightest bit an irritant.
mircea_popescu: well, if they do it's not co. you don't cough from that.
TheNewDeal: like the staff
TheNewDeal: I'm telling you they used carbon monoxide training, or a similar gas on me in the hospital
mircea_popescu: the best soldiers aren't mercs.
TheNewDeal: or perhaps already on the rise
TheNewDeal: don't you think there's some sort of world war impending?
TheNewDeal: Watch them, I'm guessing they're going to put up an impending court case against me in the United States
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal honestly, this sounds a lot more like a psychotic episode than anything in phenomenology.
Birdman: TheNewDeal: It was explained to me as such, the unsustainable inefficient entity that is the USG probably isnt even capable of pulling off schemes like you suggest
TheNewDeal: and they could actually move my vocal cords and limbs as well
TheNewDeal: they had used mind control tools. they were literally prepping me with questions to talk to a psychiatrist the night before
mircea_popescu: yes TheNewDeal, you're being all vague and shit.
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: perhaps you're just for target practice, like most folk
TheNewDeal: I didn't think that sending a couple transactions would bring on this type of firepower from the US
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: for some reason they never fire at folks who own a spectrum analyzer, even a very old and ratty one
TheNewDeal: like the ones that require a spectrum analyzer
mircea_popescu: what else would you expect them to do with bitcoin ? send it to coinbase ?
mircea_popescu: you and at least ten thousand other peopl,e ?
TheNewDeal: I was researching mpex moneys on the blockchain website
TheNewDeal: I believe that they used my family to set me up, and now they're going to punish me capitally for sending a bitcoin tx
TheNewDeal: and I"m assuming it's the financials next
TheNewDeal: I think it's the USA control bureau
TheNewDeal: they're slowly cutting me off from resources
mircea_popescu: !up TheNewDeal
mircea_popescu: in memory of that indigestible imbecileho from city hall who then got her just deserts in jackie brown
mircea_popescu: hey, maybe the english word for it should be "bridget fonda"
mircea_popescu: so then.
mircea_popescu: and hence the difference between software that's right, but buggy, and software that's simply wrong - and so can't even BE buggy.
mircea_popescu: anyway. imo the english for lokalizatsiya provala would be "bug"
assbot: Logged on 22-08-2015 18:25:35; asciilifeform: re: earlier thread: a few hours of thinking led me to another potential boojum in 'v' : cyclic graphs
mircea_popescu: how about you just add the documentation as a pathc.
assbot: Logged on 20-12-2015 18:36:38; asciilifeform: the only necessary change to make working with multiple trees convenient would be 'multi-press' where you specify more than one 'head'
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-12-2015#1348552 << im not sure this is such a good idea. conceptually it dillutes the whole notion, practically it makes cyclicity a nightmare.
asciilifeform: was sorta the point of 'v'
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> (you simply end up with a dead branch on the tree) << very much this
mircea_popescu: well, be all that as it may, i do hope that before i die i reach that enchanted nirvana where i don't have to deal with anyone other than mps.
asciilifeform: (you simply end up with a dead branch on the tree)
asciilifeform: v does not imply 'carved in stone for the ages'
jurov: if i come with something usable, then vpatch
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell jurov http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20151219/mempool_dev2_a654caa4f28ed6f78906fef28060c2f46470f067.patch << why not vpatch ?
asciilifeform: either formula, depending on whether you wanna be an intro- or extro-verted mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: 'every morning, when you wake up, look in the mirror; if you notice that you are not a mircea_popescu,
asciilifeform: and the master replied,
assbot: Logged on 20-12-2015 18:05:28; asciilifeform: but it is also impossible ~with~ a wot, unless you are mircea_popescu and are in commerce with another mircea_popescu .
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-12-2015#1348500 << so be a mircea_popescu. the fucking point of the entire thing is for you to be a mircea_popescu.
assbot: Logged on 20-12-2015 17:26:51; punkman: "Instead of abusing the exploit i have decided to help Coinbase fix the exploit by telling them step to step instructions on how to reproduce the bug on hackerone. After they were able to fix the exploit i was rewarded a measly $5,000 bounty, which i thought was unfair and was expecting to get upwards of $25,000. I helped them fix something that could have damaged them in hundreds of
mircea_popescu: but hey, they got a romanian too right ? must cunt for something.
asciilifeform: my brother sometimes asks 'have you dug latrine yet'
mircea_popescu: the work'll get done by itself.
asciilifeform: this was the house line
asciilifeform: incidentally the city line was fine
asciilifeform: ah the place where some schmuck got sweeheart contract with city hall to dig up ~whole town~ ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you think what's wrong with infrastructure neglected for a century is the clay, or the trees, or the roots or the gradients you're a very special fellow.
assbot: Logged on 26-05-2014 18:58:27; asciilifeform: meanwhile! end of sewer saga: city excavated street, disassembled pipe, found tree roots behind the property line - which had become clogged with backed up crud (for the 30 hours or so the city's pipe was broken.) now they will fight with landlord's insurance co.
mircea_popescu: governments trail in every measure of efficiency, efficacity, sophistication or otherwise success, yet the assumption is that hey, if it work it musta been a government.
mircea_popescu: "The breach is believed to be the work of a foreign government, U.S. officials said, because of the sophistication involved. " << fucktards.
mircea_popescu: just because you can pump the shit uphill doesn't mean you should.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: ahahaha right. let me know when you've seen geysers of shit spewing from your bathtub<<< i don't live in the fucking swamp.
mod6: so then those antecedents would point to the new vpatch (at the same node level as asciilifeform_ver_no_5_4_and_irc_is_gone_and_now_must_give_ip.vpatch) but a separate node.
mircea_popescu: the high stakes game of world diplomacy and international intrigue!
mod6: <+asciilifeform> it splits off from the node immediately prior to the removal << so in this scenario, the antecedents of asciilifeform_ver_no_5_4_and_irc_is_gone_and_now_must_give_ip.vpatch are [dns_thermonyukyoolar, rev-bump, static_makefile_v002, genesis ]
mircea_popescu: <punkman> mircea_popescu: was that the new phuctor box? << nah, the old qntra cluster. makes it the 2nd time in about a month wtf.
asciilifeform: it was the only reason i had it.
asciilifeform: without having to sign them
asciilifeform: the only kind of thing that is 'in own tree' is a patch that has no common ancestor with ~anything~ in the genesis tree
mod6: I guess that makes sense since it wouldn't share any antecedents with the original graph.