mp_en_viaje: makes no sense whatsoever upon the slightest examination, but the impulse's there, because social conditioning's a thing.
mp_en_viaje: and then, of course, gotta count the amusongly strong effects of brainwashing, and carefully curated childhood automatisms. girl who was cutting school to bdsm as a 16yo still has a[n inexplicable] impulse of protest when "underage" sexuality's involved.
mp_en_viaje: very amusing application of the divide and conquer theory (or, from the converse perspective, obviously enough the rock bottom of all stupidity will appeal to most idiots)
mp_en_viaje: it's very much the case, that one wants to fuck 16yos, this one wants to collect guns (he sure as fuck won't use), that other one doesn't like ids this other one doesn't like intel, but in the end, out of a hundred issues each of a hundred "rebels" likes 99 just fine.
mp_en_viaje: recall the anally loosened jew who was very much against the anally loosening regime "in general" except for the part where "media companies", that part is great ?
mp_en_viaje: be that one thing whatever it may be, substantial discussion doesn't usually get too far, because all the other things they not merely tolerate, but rather, very deeply believe in.
asciilifeform: iirc mp_en_viaje had another piece, where 'went to dentist? why then fight with the anaesthesiologist' etc
mp_en_viaje: they got issues, you understand, the various "liberated" esltards are typically single-issue rebels, they like socialism in general except for ONE THING
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, anyway, re "the subject dood" : http://trilema.com/2018/in-which-a-bizarre-character-wanks-it/
asciilifeform still 'bites elbows' re having missed the period when lispm were being pawned off 'for gold reclamation', for pennies
mp_en_viaje: not like they had it.
asciilifeform: let'em think they are being rid of junk. wouldja argue with an idjit who is selling rembrandt as wallpaper.
mp_en_viaje: it's not like intel's paying them a drilled penny. but there they sit, true orcs, doing it for free.
mp_en_viaje: and re the brains of toad : various dorks explained to me why "tjhey don't recommend amd".
BingoBoingo: "You set up a decent website? Better make sure its in a foreign land and one which isn't subject to US/EU powers. Better avoid using major payment processors because they will shut you down whilst you're at it." << Fuck You I'm already in Uruguay
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Banging my head into this wall for the next few hours
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: see if you can find what remains of the subj d00d, write to'im.
asciilifeform: and will simply go to another usg.hoster
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i would have said 'god's gift to piz' -- but seems like 100% of the afflicted idjits haven't half the brain of a fucking toad
mp_en_viaje: approx, "rome's in flames, in tears and in slaughter, for the Caesar knows it worse than even he himself ; the wine in golden goblet and blood upon the stairs, debauchery of wine within, debauched blood without... but such as it is, bizarre and criminal, Nero's the attempt at being original."
spyked: asciilifeform, they advertise gigabit, but home connections don't "guarantee" that, i.e. it may go to 900 Mbps on a good day. to answer mp_en_viaje's question: the 100 difference (or 1000 - 600 = 400) may be other home users sharing the pipe, QoS policies, peering or simply natbox not being able to process (typically, the home media converter/router they provide is shit)
asciilifeform: aah so mp_en_viaje measured 70-80 mB (not mb) ? then pretty great
spyked: yep. it's 1000 download/400 upload (tho in truth, I never managed to fill the gigabit download pipe; whether it's my equipment or some issue with the isp infrastructure, no idea)
mp_en_viaje: i don't follow the logic ? 50 is not 1000 ?
asciilifeform: spyked: there's the matter of consistency also. isp overselling bw is pestilentially common.
spyked: asciilifeform, I am currently downloading (from house mogosanu into slave galley in bucharest) w cca 50MB/s, where the B stands for octets. so defo works as advertised where I am
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Nominal reason is that the plant still exists and would Brasil even bother shipping chlorine to Uruguay (Can't risk Industria Argentina lowballing the bid).
BingoBoingo discovered there is one registered chlorine producer in Uruguay. Sells to the water utility at 2000 USD/ton. Exports to Brazil 66 USD/ton.
asciilifeform: not often in usa either, lol
BingoBoingo: In other news apparently Deloitte surveyed the local kiosko owners https://ecos.la/9/actualidad/2019/05/09/33176/proximo-gobierno-hara-ajuste-fiscal-segun-90-de-ejecutivos-y-gerentes/
asciilifeform: unusually, asciilifeform's local telco actually delivers the paid-for bw.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, well, this is actually measured. the item is called "1000" bla bla. what can i tell you.
asciilifeform: gypsy flea market had piles and piles of pc iron tho. however, the savages had nfi what it is and how to keep it, dumped it straight into and out of bags with old rusty wrenches, stolen doorknobs, etc. i dun think there was a single straight pin on the cpus.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-10 11:25 mp_en_viaje: in other lulz, 70-80 MBps ul/dl (via fiber to the door) sets one back ~10 bux/mo in romania.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-10#1912287 << hrm, when i was there, billboard promised Gb/s for 9 $ !
asciilifeform prefers the ones where mobo takes ecc sticks, however
a111: Logged on 2019-05-10 10:44 mp_en_viaje: in other news, i bought a buncha fx amds, 9590s, 9370s, 8370/8350 ; plus their respective a3+ boards, gigabyte, assus, w/e.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-10#1912285 << heh, no one ever said 'i wish i hadn't bought these vintage amd' !
diana_coman: come to think of it, this "stock up while they still exist" has such a eulora-flavour to it..
mp_en_viaje: generally the 8000s are 140
mp_en_viaje: the only caveat is, cpus come in 140 and 210 watt types, gotta get the adequate boards for each accordingly.
diana_coman adds to the list for next trip to ro
mp_en_viaje: in other lulz, 70-80 MBps ul/dl (via fiber to the door) sets one back ~10 bux/mo in romania.
mp_en_viaje: eminently these still exist ; and i daresay might be a good idea for all lords to stock up on some.
mp_en_viaje: in other news, i bought a buncha fx amds, 9590s, 9370s, 8370/8350 ; plus their respective a3+ boards, gigabyte, assus, w/e.
mp_en_viaje: (i suppose ~nobody is aware, but the classical antisemitic discourse is just reheated soup, originally it was the jesuits that were poisoning the youth through miseducation, aiming to take over the world, controlled mass media and banks etc etc etc)
mp_en_viaje: you should hear what jesuitical philipicals come out of them! how well it would be if they were just proclaimed the aristocracy already! how meritous they are! how special! how specially in communion with whatever possible statement of divinity, and how specially marked by it! how well they'd ordain all matters! equitably! how the politicians and the businessmen ruin the world! and so on and so forth.
mp_en_viaje: anyway, also amusingly enough the principal anti-democratic current comes from the so-called "technocrats", ie the bureaucratic core of the european union.
mp_en_viaje: considering their discernment, they could just as well be persuaded it has something to do with toyota hamburgers.
mp_en_viaje: there's also a bunch of (usually older) people who are fundamentally anti-democratic, who wrongly imagine this means they're "monarchists", and then further wrongly imagine this has anything to do with either of the two foregoing items.
mp_en_viaje: there's various comedians peddling various poorly written fictions, but their relation to anything is about the same, they exist on github, peripherally to computing, or on "natural health" forums peropheral to medicine, etcetera.
mp_en_viaje: anyway, anyway, i suppose in principle karl friedrich [of the swabian hohenzollerns] would be the current claimant to the romanian throne. but this is a fact nobody in romania is aware of.
mp_en_viaje: then, middling - ; and finally HORRIBLE, F---.
mp_en_viaje: anyway, the irony -- sick of istanbul greeks, romanians decided to mail order from germany. but because too smart for their own good, and possessed of a completely unwarranted pride, came up with idea to make rule that king sons to be raised as romanians.
mp_en_viaje: in a very theoretical sense, i guess.
asciilifeform: perhaps they oughta try a diff mailorder catalogue. iirc jp emperor recently retired, perhaps he'd be willing to moonlight.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: relatedly, is there a royalist party in current-day ro ?
asciilifeform: i still dunget why they had to mail-order a king, what, couldn't grow one locally
asciilifeform: somehow never before saw alive, only dead. ran, as if trying to swim, with those odd things they have that pass for legs.
asciilifeform: in other noose, asciilifeform saw for 1st time a live mole.
hanbot: rather!
BingoBoingo: In too much news today: Red opposition Senator made a literary reference and paper had to include the poems in question https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/el-discurso-de-bordaberry-y-el-consejo-de-topolansky-en-discusion-por-un-feriado--201959191813
asciilifeform eats log, sees runaway decimal point, but then finds that hanbot already found, lol
mp_en_viaje: something's definitely amiss here (and no, the whole phanariote period did not see in excess of 100 tons of silver, holy hell.)
mp_en_viaje: well... apparently one of the two romanian principalities was bearing twenty times that much ?!
mp_en_viaje: the support of burthens which no other people could have borne for a tenth part of the time."
mp_en_viaje: literally, "And let it be recollected with triumphant pride by every true Briton, that this has taken place in the concluding years of a war of unexampled duration and unequalled expence ; when twenty-two years of continued hostilities had swelled the expenditure of the country to the enormous amount of 14,000,000 sterling per annum ; and when the salvation of Europe had been effected by the unremitting fortitude and perseverance of this nation in
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile re the british imperial budget of 1816 was in that year reported to the earl of liverpool as "the immense sum of 14mn sterlin gper annum"
mp_en_viaje: now, the thaler is a german silver coin, 22.2 grams of 3/4 silver. meaning the romanian principality expended that year > 140 tons of silver, something like 280 MILLION pounds sterling.
mp_en_viaje: in other insane wtf : i'm going through the paperwork of caradgea voivod (1818s, "tara romaneasca"). supposedly the public expenditure that year was 8`473`137 thalers (of which, post maintenance, over one sixth).
mp_en_viaje: pretty lulzy, they can't cut power to bum dwellings even
BingoBoingo: ^ Another "Reality Winner" type capture
BingoBoingo: six shooter, brisket, unseemly thick toast, and a welcome to the neighborhood
billymg: still taking care of the tedious chores and whatnot of relocating, but operating with a much elevated mood
BingoBoingo: Kinda thought that would've been in the welcome basket
billymg: BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2019/05/dying-of-the-light-in-detroit-new-led-streetlights-approaching-systemic-failure/ << should the first sentence read "...newly installed LED streetlights are displaying signs of end of life wear..."?
asciilifeform: aha. and among these, quite a few like this, where the Right Thing was not found specifically cuz it was not available at the ~scale~ of the demo model.
mp_en_viaje: lotta retrospectively-theoretically-available techs in this vein, really.
asciilifeform: ~could~ have been built in 1700s, with propeller and lignum vitae. but would've required scaled up vessel, and, as the smaller ones failed -- not built.
a111: Logged on 2019-04-15 22:21 asciilifeform: interestingly, the connection b/w great ships and serious wood , is not entirely gone in modern time -- sov type 636 submarine has shaft bearing from lignum vitae
asciilifeform: propeller has same problem. funnily enuff enuff, even today wood is used for the seal, but needs ~dozen metres of length, hence bigger vessel
mp_en_viaje: see, here's wjhat i don't understand : why oar ? should have had closely fitted rod powering a propeller of some sort, and have a reverse spiral carved at the fitting juncture
asciilifeform: same thing that sank the 1700s air rifle from older thread.
asciilifeform: leather sucks as wet seal.
asciilifeform: had to be leather, no rubber yet.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: counter-intuitively, problem wasn't the wood (they weren't trying to, nor needed, to go kilometer under water, but only below where can be seen from victim vessel)
a111: Logged on 2019-05-09 00:44 mp_en_viaje: the question of "can computers think" becomes "how far can this actually go", just how useful a computer can there be built.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-09#1912142 << in 1721 a (wooden, pedalled) submarine was demoed in front of peter 1. he also asked 'how far can it go.' paid to build coupla moar. eventually unimpressed and demoted the builder to ordinary shipyard carpenter.
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/this-is-the-biggest-mess-this-kitchens-ever-seen/ << Trilema -- "This is the biggest mess this kitchen's ever seen!!!"
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in "where the fuck IS everyone" lulz, https://x.imagefapusercontent.com/u/Ragnagna/8089198/1997969519/4fu5ak-004-wdjeb1t.jpg
mp_en_viaje: certainly accounts for the jewish princess pheronomenon.
mp_en_viaje: i have come to suspect the ideal arrangement for the average male is having a house with a pool in a sunny climate and a ~17 yo daughter who has a lot of sleepovers.
mp_en_viaje: well, watching girls in bikinis. honestly i think most men would much prefer hanging out with a bunch of scantily clad girls they're not fucking than actually have lots of sex.
spyked: (in the 70s-80s I mean; neptun's a ghost town nowadays)
spyked: on the other hand, why go to neptun and not, say, nice, other than "romania, nice country, beautiful girls"
mp_en_viaje: nobody was fucking anyone ; and if it wasn't for the us that invented fucking via porn in the 90s, nobody would be fucking anyone today, either.
mp_en_viaje: but not in mediteranean ; they have nice mediteranean beaches.
spyked: re fucking eastern girls, I wouldn't know myself, but my sources (people who worked in the hotel industry at the time) say that plenty of it happened. but more in the 90s, sure.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-07 21:09 mp_en_viaje: spyked, chock-full. though it's unclear to me how you reason re "having beaches", and in any case the fucking of eastern girls was more the 90s than the 70s.
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-07#1911649 <-- re beaches, sq km of sandy shore relative to sea opening. tho I wouldn't be surprised if turkey had more total, afaik their black sea shores are mostly rocks.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-06 15:00 phf: mp_en_viaje: it's the shitsoup ecosystem, there's a handful of packages smartly written, like hunchentoot or cl-http, and then there's new wave of cffi-everything approaches, that stand tall and pretend to be people
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-06#1911470 , http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-06#1911582 <-- lulz, went in that area but didn't notice the place. found other "cultural layers" tho, with e.g. vomit on top of old clothes on top of bottles on top of ... will post some soon.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-06 15:06 mp_en_viaje: if lisp-o-tron spits out html files and apache delivers them, this will be web-fast
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-06#1911451 <-- ftr, this is sorta how thetarpit currently works, tho the "spit out html" step in this loop is (for now) human-operated
BingoBoingo: Will pick up in the morning
mp_en_viaje: between incel & excel, there's ourdemocracy nudly whole.
mp_en_viaje: and yes, this literally means there'll be computers smarter than MOST people. heck, extant computers already are smarter than most people, hence http://trilema.com/2016/give-computers-the-vote-theyre-cheaper-than-women-even/
mp_en_viaje: the question of "can computers think" becomes "how far can this actually go", just how useful a computer can there be built.
mp_en_viaje: the question is neither whether computers can think in the sense of finding some place in there -- eminently already have.
mp_en_viaje: three or four such ladders permit me to intellectually support VERY far reaching organisms, made of "thinking" people. the hard sense of think is this -- will dispose of ~any~ problem. yet the practical sense of think is, "useful as working piece in such organism".
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, the problem here is this : i have various constructions in the real world, built out of people, who indeed think. their thinking covers 99% or so of the cases they encounter ; when a 1% strikes, they kick it up the ladder.
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: observe that it was not asciilifeform who devised e.g. ada. it came from the (nao mostly dead) world where this kinda thing was understood .
a111: Logged on 2016-01-21 13:29 asciilifeform: 'if i make it what i think is the right size, it crashes!111'
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu , just as asciilifeform , knows what it is to have robot arm go through plate glass and stop inch short of face. in such case the equivalence becomes very obvious.
asciilifeform: erry power tool is 'elaborate skull crusher', some merely moar obviously than others.
asciilifeform: imho 'think' is very narrow term, and oughta refer to what the operator is expected to be doing, and not the comp, lathe, saw.
asciilifeform: ( fella put hand on working lathe, wrapped like cord on the bobbin, meat squeezed like toothpaste from skin )
asciilifeform: grr i was gonna add that famous lathe meat-wind pic to this thread, but cannot nao find.
mp_en_viaje: in that their actual utility is open ended, THEREFORE the "can they think" line of inquiry is valid.
mp_en_viaje: the argument was that it seems so far that the "can computers think" question is not misplaced. in fact, even the question "are computers anything besides elaborate skull crushers" is not misplaced.
mp_en_viaje: that wasnt the argument.
a111: Logged on 2015-04-26 03:21 asciilifeform: 'certain languages support serious programmers, and others don't. e.g., I don't think it is at all possible to become a serious programmer using Visual Basic or Perl. if you think hard about what Perl code will do on the borders of the known input space, your head will explode. if you write Perl code to handle input problems gracefully, your programs will become gargantuan: the normal failure mode is to terminate with no id
asciilifeform: which i suppose is improvement on manually colouring the input with pencil, but grr.
asciilifeform: i.e. still stuck manually walking over the output errytime
asciilifeform: while we're on the 'best comp is the 1 that takes off yer head to shorten the misery' thread : asciilifeform did in fact get sumthing like a working highlighting from yesterday's crock of shit . but still can't trust it to actually not fuck the job , demonstrating mp_en_viaje's point
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, point is, that the helmputter seems a much better design ~towards the same goals~ as these computer things.
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/k5LJR << what appears to be orig src. spicy detail, 'He knew something about the skull: thicker and stronger at the front where he placed three shells. it would have made more sense – for maximum kill power – to put the shells at his temples, but it seems like he may have been trying to tic boxes for both homogenous skull obliteration and maximum death'
mp_en_viaje: (but the "gotta take off hat" was pretty lulzy i must admit)
asciilifeform: fg nervously smokes in the corner.
asciilifeform wonders if d00d took care to length-match the wires
asciilifeform: pretty great tho. engineers on their way out have been building finely crafted autoguillotines for 200y nao , it was high time someone took it to 'next level'
mp_en_viaje: took the 24v already
mp_en_viaje: like a helmet, except it doesn't protect the skull.
mp_en_viaje: you're not telling the whole truth here, seeing how even peh ended up with a stack. i know when i'm being led on, the computer's clearly not a calculator.
mp_en_viaje: what is the computer a tool for ?
asciilifeform: i confess i dun see where is the problem. airplane flies, tho quite unlike sparrow, comp kompyoots, etc
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, it;s offensively fucking stupid, why i even mention it. nfi how otherwise bright minds end up with this sorta shit between the ears.
mp_en_viaje: it's god damned fucking relevant, whether machines can think, specificaly because thinking's an open ended process. movement is not fucking open ended, which is why it admits exterior criteria in the first place,
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: funnily enuff, 'whether submarines swim' dunwork in ru ( where both boat and man 'swim' ) , similarly to how in eng both airplane and bird 'fly'
a111: Logged on 2018-07-29 16:27 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-29#1838170 << argentines are literally and without exageration a bunch of soy farmers who pretend FOR NO REASON conceivable, a circumstance of which they are aware AND PRETEND IT DOES NOT MATTER! AT ALL!, pretend they say they're something in the vein of "third power in europe". and that they might have such things as submarines, and so on. it's literally pig going through girls' charm cabinet a
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile by reading through old tomes, Alan M. Turing thought about criteria to settle the question of whether Machines Can Think, a question of which we now know that it is about as relevant as the question of whether Submarines Can Swim
asciilifeform: when asciilifeform was 'fresh off the boat' in '92, filament lamp was good for 2-3y.
asciilifeform: the ones sold (yes still sold, somehow) in usa, are 100% cartel-compliant, go for about a yr.
asciilifeform: by 'edison' i meant specifically the classic filament one aha
mp_en_viaje: left me with large supply of spares, as i bought 3x the installed inventory, had not yet opportunity to change any.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, i bought the "edison lamps", but the filament rather than the fake diode ones, fully expecting they'll go out in a month. they're still lighting cr fortress, easily 2, maybe even 3k hours later.
BingoBoingo: Not all visibility is a color thing. It's a high contrast effect. Take away their color and the old hags are all fault.
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, nah, it's very close to the zone where humans don't perceive color at all.
BingoBoingo: And unflattering for the right reason. Great visibility!
a111: Logged on 2014-02-16 22:04 asciilifeform: they pass an old man who says, 'don't drown this fellow. i'll feed him dumplings, he won't have to do any work but to dip them'
asciilifeform: sodium a+++ lamp, where in edisonic lamp filament sublimates and sputters onto the glass, in sodium lamp the sublimated tungsten ends up going ~right back~ onto filament ( if somehow could be made to go back to exactly same place as came from -- lamp would be in fact eternal. as it is, 10y or so )
mp_en_viaje: the switch from most efficient engineeringly best city lights (they're even good for light pollution, least light polluting public source, specifically for the same reason) towards expensive, toxic, ineffective, harmful an' generally bullshit "alternatives" just because sodium spectral emission's unflattering to old bags gotta be the cleanest example of why generalized peripueral fever's much preferable to merkelism.
mp_en_viaje: "oh but mp, it makes older women look unattractive". who the fuck are you putting street lamps in for, hillary clinton an' her merry band of disavowed streetwalkers ?
mp_en_viaje: none of that "high pressure" mercury alloy bs, either.
mp_en_viaje: sodium lamps are some of the highest efficiency, most voltage-variation tolerant light sources known. and by "some of" i mean the.
mp_en_viaje: right, cuz the good-for-century sodium lamps were no good.
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/05/dying-of-the-light-in-detroit-new-led-streetlights-approaching-systemic-failure/ << Qntra -- Dying Of The Light In Detroit: New LED Streetlights Approaching Systemic Failure
asciilifeform: i did tell him, in (what i thought was passable) ro, then eng, we tried ru also, lol
mp_en_viaje: nfi what his issue is either, i left him a laptop for the express purpose, free of charge, all set up.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: if you think s.nsa can get some mileage out of the item, let's keep it, otherwise plox to dispose, i cannot in good conscience try an' power it with own steam , gotta save the coinz for piz work
mp_en_viaje: well yeah, it's like domain names say, or hosting or any other such thing. can't just discontinue it, nobody knows what priceless jewelry dood has in there.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i had nfi fridge dutifully preserved the contents in liquid helium and racked up bill, lol. entirely fair if mp_en_viaje invoices asciilifeform for same.
mp_en_viaje: i end up doing debugging of others affairs years later wth am i.
mp_en_viaje: well, so say this then, and you know, in time. fucking ridiculous to let things just rot in the fridge.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, is that what broke down comms then ?
asciilifeform: i currently can't, but this does not mean there isn't one
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, eh, listen you. it's very bad form, this infantile "ima start things and forget about them". you didn't want it anymore, cuz for whatever reason, can just call the guy and tell him so, not end up with lengthy service you didn't want / did not intend to use. or for that matter answers his emails or w/e. wtf expire, who ever heard of such a thing.
asciilifeform: hanbot, mp_en_viaje : i assumed the service expired given as i did not go to renew.
asciilifeform: hanbot: item turned out to be obsoleted by BingoBoingo's work, as i understand. but i'ma let mp tell me how to properly dispose of it (or whether to try an' bring it back to life)
mp_en_viaje: let there be free and open competition among the users, if 17yo boi wants to fuck primo cunt, let him pay market value, not get govt subsidy. and similarily throughout the board.
asciilifeform: iirc there was a mircea_popescu piece re similar 'give'em price' from '90s, where the derps sold off their privatized flats a la ru
mp_en_viaje: i mean, what difference is there between a herd of "electorate" kept captive for just 2-3 chosen morons to "buy their votes", and a herd of "ambitious young women" kept captive for just 2-3 chosen morons to "seduce" them ?
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, not to mention, at least give the stupid cunts a fair price for their whoredom.
BingoBoingo: <mp_en_viaje> as it stands being mayor of some small town somewhere will run you less than what a toyota costs. << And if the Balmers et al run up the cost of mayorship, that is a damned honest signal to the rest of the world that giving away the franchise to all that fall out of a cunt for free is gravely underpricing the franchise.
mp_en_viaje: they're all little alcibiades.
mp_en_viaje: for some reason you make ineptitude a point of pride. https://www.hotnews.ro/stiri-arhiva-1248255-4-000-voturi-cumparate-pentru-nastase.htm was more the point.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-08 08:48 mp_en_viaje: in other words, it's pretty fucking cheap.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: buying is an honest process. It's possible to price a purchase. The current herpity derp herd the derps process is fundamentally dishonest.
asciilifeform: so then will have to be ballmer personally.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, no franchise for corps (and no aggregate corps in the first place)
asciilifeform: perhaps microshit will put in a bid. ( they seem to really like ro for some reason )
diana_coman: well yes, they certainly started as professional though it's not as if they didn't end up political too.
diana_coman: as I'm still digesting the whole thing, I still find that my mind keeps going on to "guild" more than to "political party" ; perhaps I see political party as too limited though I really just need to read more on it first (and admitedly, I doubt there is the guild form as such in Ro, lolz)
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: outta curiosity, only varanul + other native scum get to be earls, or can e.g. putin buy dukedom ? how about soros ?
mp_en_viaje: i'm not going to break politics just because romanians gatherfed in large groups, did the student thing where everyone dropped a buck and thereby invented some schmuck "just as good as any Mircea come from afar"
mp_en_viaje: so then.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: politics is a very alien thing ; and tbh part of the exercise I see precisely in actually showing what that is as opposed to what it "came to be"; similar to what "afaceri" seems to mean if you look at "afaceristi" and so on
asciilifeform: dunno, from asciilifeform's pov when he rolls up sleeves to build sumthing, result -- matters, it is not indifferent whether e.g. fg produces even spectrum or 1010101...
a111: Logged on 2016-01-21 13:29 asciilifeform: 'if i make it what i think is the right size, it crashes!111'
asciilifeform: then all you need is to enjoy process.
asciilifeform: if result dun matter -- then why not do $whatever -- and with hookers, blackjack.
mp_en_viaje: romanians have got to be some of the lest politically active / creative people ever invented.
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, imagine if you will, the total historical count is under 200.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, so let them end up with controlling share. great wealth comes with great responsibility ; this can't be fixed from downstream because oh noes.
diana_coman: reading the list of romanian parties from tmb.ro yields all sorts of lol including "party of pensioners and social protection" that became of people and social protection
asciilifeform: unless i misunderstand some part of this, the recipe adds up to a faster, moar streamlined version of ukraine
a111: Logged on 2019-05-08 08:10 mp_en_viaje: in no particular order, militate for the restriction of the franchise, the introduction of the census vote (whereby property counts electorally), amending the constitution to male it illegal for state to own anything or be involved in economy, lower age of sexual consent to 12 and systematically introduce young women to the concept of the sexual market and why it's very fucking stupid to [http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/#selecti
asciilifeform: since mp_en_viaje asked for nitpicks : how does http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-08#1911782 work w/ the existence of 'varanul' et al ? seems like they have the 'properties' , and so automagically end up with controlling share ?
asciilifeform: the mexicans a++ achieved this in usa somehow w/out a party, tho
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, well, either that or refused to admit it. "a majority of mensheviks" etc.
asciilifeform: this is interesting -- for what do the hungarians stand ? ( 'give back timis ?' )
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, the two are not the same thing afaik ; but anyway, romanian govt traditionally is formed with hungarian party. was at the time ayways.
mp_en_viaje: seems rather opposite, lenin went back to moscow formed microscopic lolparty. by any measure bolsheviks were a numeric joke.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, what's the relation ?
a111: Logged on 2018-06-18 15:36 asciilifeform: btw one pheature of lenin & co that gets vehehery little press these days , when folx like to point out 'he didn't overthrow , other factions did all the work' : lenin & co refused, out of principle, to participate in any 'temporary government' derpage at all.
asciilifeform: i confess , try as i might i dun see the point ( in light of e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-18#1826391 historical record ) but if mp_en_viaje sees point, who am i to say he oughtn't .
mp_en_viaje: (party went to shit, as it happens, but these things happen)
asciilifeform cannot comment in moar detail : the care & feeding of trollparties is quite far out of asciilifeform's depth
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-08#1911824 << the 1 risk is that mp_en_viaje & co might actually end up in office an' consequently herding swine. rly, want to herd swine ?
a111: Logged on 2019-05-08 08:31 mp_en_viaje: spyked, yeah, but the interest's not in getting votes.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-08#1911793 << iirc there were a few similar trololols on this here side of ocean. e.g. 1 fella ran for pres on platform consisting solely of 'will have bush -- impaled'
mp_en_viaje: for the rotaku club : here's a most foamy, in places stylistically vitriolic, antique mp - diana_coman lampoon set. 1. http://trilema.com/2011/vindem-casa-fara-utilitati/ ; 2. http://ossasepia.com/2011/08/28/cand-intentia-bate-realitatea/ ; 3. http://trilema.com/2011/fetele-rele/ ; 4. http://ossasepia.com/2011/08/28/raspuns-autorului-ultragiat/
mp_en_viaje: whatever, you know, in the end everyone cu pizda ma-sii, the problems of others are the problems of others, the problem of the individual is adequate expression, lest he becomes an intellectual & starts "resisting through culture"
diana_coman: well no, there is no national specific re human needs after all
diana_coman: basically for a different hole that they think it'll fill
diana_coman: others (generally younger) who already have in fact the employer-master taking the food-responsibiliy off their shoulders will look up instead to usr/pdl/wtf (I can't quite recall whatever they are nowadays)
mp_en_viaje: the ustards've been hoping for the black man to magically rise up and take over for decades.
diana_coman: lacking that, some (generally older but not only) will look up to psd as it (seems to, at least) takes responsibility for their food at least (poisoned as it might be but...);
diana_coman: re ro politics, while my hometown is one in which ~everything is "political" (petrol industry), that part was always more about feathering X's or Y's nest so I wouldn't use that to get an idea of anything; onth re what I see as political, the way the situation in Ro reads to me is that ultimately people are desperately (and beyond i.e. without hope) looking for someone to take responsibility aka a master essentially.
mp_en_viaje: ask uncle vania, the communal councillor or w/e.
mp_en_viaje: well, if you live there don't you have any elders who were ever involved ?