asciilifeform: (incidentally, the problem of an inner cipher introducing known-plaintextisms is solved routinely by splitting the payload into xor-able halves, using rng, and enciphering each ~half~ with different cipher, rather than box-in-box composition)
asciilifeform: the paper is pretty tame, actually
asciilifeform: psychiatric, not mathematical.
asciilifeform: but i'm blown away by the maurer & massey thing
mircea_popescu: "Since most conventional block ciphers are in fact product ciphers, they testify to the worth of multiple encryption, even with weak internal ciphering functions."
asciilifeform: rate is zero across currencies and issue Bitcoin 2.0 based on incoming bitcoin and signatures made by participating addresses. This means the issuance honors mining until the end of bitcoin and can be more than total bitcoin present. I suspect 1 BTC 2.0 will have the spending power of 1 USD current by issuance. My pedigree.'
asciilifeform: 'I have been involved in Bitcoin since before the "Mt. Gox Fast Pay" thread that produced Bitinstant. My law cases make me the bearer of Bitcoin 2.0 no matter what. Bitcoin 2.0 is simply my daemon forked from a sued Ripple Labs qualified as an invention with features added and the Bitcoin upgrade address 1J7CAm6bavGcG52xgobn8n9ScnAzH8JZUm - I have pledged to drain the exchanges until exchange
asciilifeform: just 1 of these is enough to stay in roquefort and orc-free street
mircea_popescu: sed the hirethisguy.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: in other dirigible news, http://36.media.tumblr.com/ef5d53d5243383f25be482de122f3ffd/tumblr_nrg247qho71uu92gho1_1280.jpg
asciilifeform: i can even see the dirigle algebra involved here !
mircea_popescu: so as you can no doubt follow, asciilifeform from the political considerations discussed it follows that while i don't allow for the possibility of "quantum computer", i don't disallow your implementing a scheme which would be deemed (by idiots) as "quantum resistant".
asciilifeform: this is really a specificity-of-diddling theorem application.
mircea_popescu: the two are much closelier related than people generally wish to accept.
asciilifeform: srsly, if there is one mega-lesson mircea_popescu taught me, it is that by DEMANDING sanity, you will get it
mircea_popescu: alowing the possibility that this scam is actually worth taking seriously costs the people who follow what i say whatever it may cost them.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform things may cost you nothing, that is your privilege. things always cost me something, because of my peculiar relationship with the fucking future.
mircea_popescu: re other thread : the only point of interest in lattice stuff would be homomorphisms. which don't work yet.
mircea_popescu: exact equivalent of the anabolic/catabolic processes in the human body. if there aren't people falling over in the street out of sheer hunger as an unremarkable phenomenon, there's no industrialization afoot. if there aren't any "self-betterment" dudes moving about, there's no dezindustrialization occurring.
mircea_popescu: industrialization is driven on the backs of starving slave/iobagi, and deindustrialization is driven by lazy, entitled idiots.
mircea_popescu: neither fervor nor bayonet. "people", if you can call english speakers that, will industrialize as they do : out of pompous laziness. that's how it always goes.
asciilifeform: plus the whole climatology thing was a misguided excercise - the reich for some reason thought people would happily deindustrialize and starve out of religious fervor, but then understood that bayonet is good enough
mircea_popescu: "Lattice-based cryptography is another important candidate for post-quantum public-key cryptography, and is the main topic of this blog post. The main practical reason to consider lattice-based encryption rather than code-based encryption is that lattice-based systems advertise much smaller public keys." << WRONG.
mircea_popescu: i expect there's going to be a "climatology winter" too starting next year, as opposed to "we lied for pay and after that the employer had no further use of lying pseudoscientists".
mircea_popescu: and they'll have the unmitigated audacity to call it "the quantum winter" as opposed to "the just desserts after a decade of fraudulent pseudoscientific claims" and/or "what happens when ponzi schemes deflate"
mircea_popescu: MIT idiots were going to be successful next decade every decade since 1950. then "winter" "happened" because totally.
mircea_popescu: fucking bullshit omfg. i am not PRETENDING the problem doesn't exist. the problem does factually not exist.
mircea_popescu: "It isn't easy to build a large general-purpose quantum computer, but many people publicly working on it seem to think that they'll be successful next decade. Maybe there will be serious obstacles that slow down or stop this success, but there's clearly a serious risk to RSA and ECC, and it isn't sensible risk management to pretend that the problem doesn't exist."
asciilifeform: but in point of fact, miners being retarded does not mean the protocol has changed.
mircea_popescu: der, s-high, there's a list.
asciilifeform: how would it admit anything other than the test tx pool made from smashed real-world blocks ?
mircea_popescu: the thread narrowed.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform everything can still be done. the poiint is that a hole large enough to fit the earlier blocks will result in a hole too large today, that'd admit things that won't get mined.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ah and precisely the point, i would like to learn ~what~ cannot be done any more
mircea_popescu: "A class-action lawsuit alleges the state Department of Environmental Quality didn't treat the water for corrosion, in accordance with federal law, and because so many service lines to Flint are made of lead, the noxious element leached into the water of the city's homes."
asciilifeform: phun phakt - coastal usaschwitz inmates regard the inlands as 'flyover', a sort of built-in zimbabwe, and give very little fuck re: what happens there
mircea_popescu: this is utterly what the dawn of civilisaiton looks like. next, nobody could have predicted pissing on the electric fence.
mircea_popescu: ahahaha these fuctards. moved water intake from lake to river with no further precautions, on old lead lines! HOLY SHIT. there is extant roman text as to the idiocy of this move.
mod6: the adventure must begin somewhere :]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, but this is not a counterarghumnet, on the contrary. testing suite may help there too.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the other little boojum is that we don't actually know a known-good output for most of the thing.
mircea_popescu: prolly grew out of their buffers thing.
mircea_popescu: i suspect the llvm crew.
diana_coman: fwiw the google thing looked all right to me re features, but I wasn't too sure re who made it, lol
mircea_popescu: having a trb-test suite is a good move, because even if dissidence is a b-a tradition, nevertheless it allows a common basis to make communication useful.
mircea_popescu: it's a reasonable thing for the short to mid term.
mod6: i think i'll have to drive out a poc of one of these frameworks at some point. not now though, too much other stuff to get done first.
mod6: just started diving into what's out there for C++ that has a bit more meat to it.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, I asked mod6 if he knew of some good testing tools for cpp as I am not up to date with the landscape on that for cpp
mircea_popescu: the problem is "meaningfully" is a very slippery term. shit can be quite meaningful to humans.
asciilifeform: rather than malfunction/misdesign of any particular component
asciilifeform: and much of the undesired behaviour we've seen so far occurs only as part of the system
mircea_popescu: mod6 the principle is sound. i have nfi as to the choice, but the principle is sound.
mircea_popescu: i dun see a problem there.
mircea_popescu: "Linux Requirements These are the base requirements to build and use Google Test from a source package (as described below):
mircea_popescu: so basically, it IS definitionally better than the boost suite.
mircea_popescu: In addition to many internal projects at Google, Google Test is also used by the following notable projects: The Chromium projects (behind the Chrome browser and Chrome OS). The LLVM compiler. Protocol Buffers, Google's data interchange format. The OpenCV computer vision library.
mod6: what if there was a different mock framework that wasn't
mod6: anyway, boost has its own unit testing abilities, which is what the current test are built with -- the allure of a mock framework here though, could be helpful.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform part of the democratic lie. that "tax is payment" , that "law is agreement", that "authority is legitimate" etc.
asciilifeform: the flint thing is an elegant illustration of reality, re: this.
asciilifeform: whereas there is a widespread delusion in usa, that tax is somehow payment for services rendered
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform doh. tax is set by the cattle ability to pay, nothing else. same tax is collected in new york and bahrein or w/e.
mircea_popescu: or anyway, try and explain as best as possible the externalities here ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't understand this, so flint been using lead pipes like... all places ever. what is the issue ?
asciilifeform: (who are forced to keep paying for the unusable water, and may not legally sell the house)
asciilifeform: no mention, of course, of the dekulakized property owners
asciilifeform: speaking of collapse, the lulfest in michigan is interesting in light of how it is presented by volkischer beobachter
asciilifeform: what the monkey cannot do, however, is aim. much less make a kalash.
asciilifeform: well if the whole appeal of orcs is 'not yet radiation damaged'
asciilifeform: they also burn heretics for idolatry, all the while pilgrimaging to 'dome of the rock', etc.
mircea_popescu: and interpretation is included in there.
mircea_popescu: besides the point. the principle is still sound : there is no font of legitimacy in democracy. elected derps have no authority to change the law.
asciilifeform: naturally no other pope is welcome
asciilifeform: eh they just have a different pope
mircea_popescu: Islamists opposed the law because "neither elected MPs nor the government has the authority to change the law because these institutions could misinterpret the word of God". <<< check it out alf, the orcs get it.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> what tech? rsa ? << naw. the whole shebang.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform naw. the whole shebang.
mircea_popescu: oh, there are other tribes out there, you say ? and they have quick horses and long-lashed women, you say ? BWAHAHAHAHAA
mircea_popescu feels more and more each day roughly in the position of the guy in that one tribe that successfully unearthed pre-war tech.
asciilifeform: and related experiments, in the old days
assbot: Logged on 10-02-2016 14:21:31; mircea_popescu: funny how this entire fucking discussion is about how everyone there would really need want and desperately aspires to be in #b-a.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2016#1402047 << recall the 'eternity' service
mircea_popescu: #b-a so schneier and the rest of the usg-powered nobodies get the swanson treatment ; #b-a so there's deedbot ; #b-a so everything in there comes back to it.
mircea_popescu: funny how this entire fucking discussion is about how everyone there would really need want and desperately aspires to be in #b-a.
mircea_popescu: 1998-11-23 Stefan Axelsson: "What is needed, is some other, resilient, long lasting, redundant third party storage of references, such as a library is for printed material today."
mircea_popescu: 1998-10-28 dscott@networkusa.net: "ACtually if you come up with a good cipher you will not get it tested since they try to keep the rank of phony experts quite small." lol.
mircea_popescu: basicallty, the debate between accountants and scholars, started long ago, will continue forever.
mircea_popescu: 1998-10-27 W T Shaw: "To demand a single route to the truth is to prejudice against truths that may not be so conform to that path. This is the essence of what is wrong with what Bruce advocates, which is the same old tired argument we have heard for ages."
mircea_popescu: 1998-10-27 Xcott Craver: "Are you suggesting that we should use something other than the scientific method?"
mircea_popescu: 1998-10-27 Douglas A. Gwyn: "The 'empirical proof' means very little since it can't allow for the eavesdropper's cryptanalytic abilities."
mircea_popescu: 1998-10-27 Xcott Craver: "!!! It's obvious that the memo did not mean 'prove' in the strict mathematical sense, but in the empirical sense."
mircea_popescu: i proclaim this the morning of gems!
mircea_popescu: And that estimable Mr Searle will explain why each of them must be shot
mircea_popescu: S-box! I'm an S-box!", "I'm an transposer! I'm a transposer!", and the like.)
mircea_popescu: instructions on the handling of small (8-byte, to be concrete) amounts of
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> nah thats american cars << Only after 2005 model year. Previously there was a scrotum loop to take some weight off of anal hook.
mircea_popescu: did the t34 even have seats ?\
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: adlai: Sad thing. Actually Ad composed in the same way jokes are.
gribble: Tiger I Information Center - The Tigerfibel: <http://www.alanhamby.com/tigerfibel.shtml>; Tigerfibel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tigerfibel>; Die "Tiger Fibel": <http://www.gunfun.de/tigerfibel.pdf>
mircea_popescu reads the log, sees the people have basically said what he was going to say anyway, realises that he is rapidly becoming superfluous
kakobrekla: yes, sit on the tank. great, i can sit on my phone also.
mircea_popescu: later, with the womenz.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla sit on what, the tank ? sort-of. the modern shits are obnoxious. historically yes
mircea_popescu: adlai i haven't, but i had people do it, and felt sorry for them.
mircea_popescu: a tank does 10 gallons to the mile as opposed to a truck's 10 miles to the gallon. the maintenance involved is comensurate.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla no, like take off the fucking threads and grease the stupid small wheel bs
BingoBoingo: adlai: How else does General Dynamics get the parts contracts?
adlai: kakobrekla: you'd be surprised how easily the entire thing pops right off, like those rubber treads on toys
BingoBoingo: In other news, Cruz/Trump/Rubio's odds are all levelling out on BitBet after fucking Kasich won 2nd to Trump in NH. I blame that disloyal hamplanet Chris Christie.
mircea_popescu: there is no reason to have multiple banks in soviet russia.
punkman: http://i2.wp.com/www.exposingtruth.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/bank-chart.jpg "If you were wondering how banks got “too big to fail,” here’s a good place to start. This chart shows us how, over the last couple of decades, 37 banks have became just 4 mega-banks"
asciilifeform: lulzily, i actually liked the built-in debugger in ida.
mats: overall progress is pretty slow. i would benefit from a mentor, but none of the greybeards i know, have time for me
mats: and in fact this has been my primary interest in being in this wot in the first place. since the beginning.
assbot: Logged on 20-12-2015 18:05:28; asciilifeform: but it is also impossible ~with~ a wot, unless you are mircea_popescu and are in commerce with another mircea_popescu .
mats: fwiw, most of my free time is consumed by work towards being useful for the most recent s.nsa proposal re: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-12-2015#1348500
asciilifeform: for heathens to read
nubbins`: afaik pete only wrote a blog where he regurgitated mp themes
asciilifeform: and possibly he handled one of mircea_popescu's synthetic assetrons, but i genuinely don't recall, this is far from my home planet
asciilifeform: nubbins`: iirc he wanted to be propaganda minister or the like
nubbins`: what's pete doing on the list anyway
mats: whoa there
pete_d_out: i'm more tired that i realised. i'm sending this alt to bed as the 4am crying-feeding is coming all too soon. ciao amigos !
pete_d_out: in light of the obvious circumstances, i hereby retract my non-existent proposal. signed, nobody.
asciilifeform: (boot camp, boots, grunting, shitting oneself, sapping, other arts)
pete_d_out: he did do some solid homework there, i concede.
asciilifeform: pete_d_out: iirc he was doing the judges thing
mircea_popescu: right. WERE. back in the day when nobody had to be told to use original parts.
pete_d_out: i'd like to sumbit that mats be removed from the lordship list on the upcoming go-around. tis but a humble proposal to my fellow lords.
pete_d_out: on the topic of the lordship list, can someone please tell me what 'fief' mats is fighting for ? pogo distribution ? pgp server thing he started then quit ? other things ? i'm genuinely curious. he doesn't contribute ~that~ much to the debates here that i can see, though he's certainly not invisible, but most of what i glean from his commentary is along the lines of "windows isn't so bad u guise", which, i guess, is what it is. anyways,
asciilifeform: (and yes, i am aware that the 'official' items are also made in cn. but they are NOT chinese in the usual sense, there are taskmasters ruthlessly driving the slaves and testing conformance to spec)
asciilifeform: approx. same deal with the magic power cord
asciilifeform: when morons go to chop shop and have grey chinese sensor installed, and it craps out or works 1 time in 8, they will blame - apple.
asciilifeform: btw whatever one thinks of crapple, the bind they're in re: greymarket parts is very real.
assbot: Logged on 10-02-2016 03:09:53; mod6: mircea_popescu: thebitcoin.foundation/src redirect has been put into place.
pete_d_out: phf found it, tis in the logs
mircea_popescu: or ipad or something. i dunno, one of their shits.
assbot: Logged on 10-02-2016 02:35:48; asciilifeform: what did apple brick 'if you used other parts in it'
assbot: Logged on 10-02-2016 02:30:22; asciilifeform: anything therein will either be destroyed or worm its way up your arse
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2016#1401645 <<< ican't fucking stand people talking at me at thge speed THEY think
nubbins`: just call me the shadow lord
mircea_popescu: i guess if the man wants it... that oughta count for something huh.
assbot: Logged on 10-02-2016 02:24:07; nubbins`: as a lord of bitcoin, tmsr~, cognizant of the responsibilities that my words thusly carry, i hereby solemnly rebuke any attempt to strip me of my lordship.
pete_d_out: right you are. i misspoke then, should be 'trb iterations'
pete_d_out: mod6 nice work on v99995 ! quite a few changes in there. my v99996 test has had a few bumps in the road (mostly hosting issues afaict) but is still syncing. i'll let you know if there are any snags in that, but holleee you guys are pumping out these trb releases !!
asciilifeform: pete_d_out: it was not a theory ! merely observation
pete_d_out: and not so strictly rationed Theories About Reality Pointz, apparently
pete_d_out: asciilifeform because people talk to each other !!!1
pete_d_out: asciilifeform y'know, you could've, like, asked the 'transies'
asciilifeform: and i have nfi what they did for a living
assbot: Logged on 10-02-2016 03:18:13; pete_d_out: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-02-2016#1400809 << how about that conpherence you were at recently ? shnoopdog or what was it. no gurl programmers there ?
pete_d_out: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-02-2016#1400869 << i thought 'spruce goose' was funny in junior high or thereabouts. not that this reference was any more readily grasped than 'cscl'..
pete_d_out: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-02-2016#1400809 << how about that conpherence you were at recently ? shnoopdog or what was it. no gurl programmers there ?
mod6: mircea_popescu: thebitcoin.foundation/src redirect has been put into place.
pete_d_out: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-02-2016#1400369 << no one got the 'pete(r)ed out' angle eh. hm. maybe bb's right, my jokes do need work :(
pete_d_out: unfortunately, 1/3 'recruits' looking for every possible way to bring down their 'employer' is a lot of angry worker bees stinging anywhere and everywhere
asciilifeform: '“In the future, intelligence services might use the [internet of things] for identification, surveillance, monitoring, location tracking, and targeting for recruitment, or to gain access to networks or user credentials,” Clapper said.'
assbot: US intelligence chief: we might use the internet of things to spy on you | Technology | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1V2nIGX )
asciilifeform: l0ltr0n from phf's link : http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/feb/09/internet-of-things-smart-home-devices-government-surveillance-james-clapper
kakobrekla: my tp charges just fine as long as the voltage is right
assbot: Apple says iPhone 'Error 53' is to protect customers' security | Technology | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1V2nj7o )
phf: asciilifeform: perhaps this http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/feb/06/apple-says-iphone-error-53-is-to-protect-customers-security
nubbins`: you can use 100% "other parts" if you like.
kakobrekla: there is no good reason not to.
asciilifeform: what did apple brick 'if you used other parts in it'
asciilifeform: btw what was mircea_popescu speaking of there
assbot: Logged on 09-02-2016 13:52:37; mircea_popescu: anyway, the winds have pointedly turned against apple. the time when they did that "we'll brick your device if you used other parts in it" thing i'd arbitrarily pick as the jumping the shark moment. but in any case : apple is for the next decade a company to sell, not to hold and CERTAINLY not to buy.
kakobrekla: put the battery back in still works to this very day
asciilifeform: 'leave the microscope at home??' 'no!!!111'
kakobrekla: i havent heard nothing but 'it stopped working' from the owners if memory serves
phf: that's the phone that i use http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007F9XJDY i guess it's discontinued, since the only available option is same for $250 :o
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: funnily, my brother uses 'razor' for decade+ now, it looks entirely pristine
assbot: The Lordship list, third year. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1V2mc7w )
pete_d_out: asciilifeform i walk or cycle 4/7 days per week. 'saddam' sits in heated parkade. blessedly for both and neither of our constitutions could bear more roadtime.
nubbins`: lords care not whether their presence "confuses the noobs"; such reasoning is unfit for discourse
nubbins`: speak now if you believe a lord that has contributed TRB patches, who owns the second-largest s.mg stock warrant, who trades in the only physical collectibles that are priced solely in BTC, who pays the bill for eulora.org, who is the republic's de facto minister of letters awaiting with bated quill the whittling-down of a codebase fit to publish, should be stripped of his title; speak your treason now, that all may witness it.
nubbins`: as a lord of bitcoin, tmsr~, cognizant of the responsibilities that my words thusly carry, i hereby solemnly rebuke any attempt to strip me of my lordship.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: pretty sure these won't even work, where i live, today
pete_d_out: standing there or sitting there, hunched over with the stupid i-thing 12" in front of your face because it's 'convenient' instead of walking over to desktop or laptop or god forbid waiting until you get home. ~that's~ the killer.
asciilifeform: pete_d_out actually talks ~into~ the thing ?
asciilifeform: worth remembering that the ~original~ (in as far as publicly known) case of pwned phone with always-on mic was a 'dumb'
asciilifeform: or rather, from user's pov, it exists;
asciilifeform: fwiw, the 'dumb'/'smart' distinction is a sham
pete_d_out: i toyed with the idea of dumbphone mebbe
assbot: Logged on 09-02-2016 11:39:22; BingoBoingo: Brave camho ventures into the bitcointalk cesspool https://archive.is/64HCm
pete_d_out: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-02-2016#1400224 <--> "My body is not something that can be sold. I can sell my time, attention, etc but my body always belongs to me. And I think shame is more your area than mine, otherwise why would you respond to such a non-threatening post with such violence?"
TomServo: Like trimming the last entry, or checking for consecutive hours?
pete_d_out: just another example of you being born too late !
asciilifeform: idk, never went to ~their~ party
asciilifeform: (phun phakt: even they are permitted to openly admit to working for nsa)
asciilifeform: iirc the list of folks who work for fbi and dhs is not even classified 'sensitive' (usg legal term, the thing below 'secret')
asciilifeform: all of them
pete_d_out: what kind of silos are these ?
pete_d_out: but you didn't and neither did i
asciilifeform: (all the way down to visiting chinese grad students)
asciilifeform: pete_d_out: you do know that the lowliest monkey in each usg ministry has access to the microshit 'outlook' phonebook seen in the link, aha ?
pete_d_out: speaking of 'sensitive material', what ever came of that little dispute with your hosting co. over the sipa hit, mircea_popescu ?
asciilifeform: just like mircea_popescu, to help folks working on a historic and unsolved mathematical problem by replacing with unfathomly harder one, l0l
mircea_popescu: what don't you like about the go above ?
mircea_popescu: but getting back to it, the point i want made is that EXP-* inclusion beats NP inclusion.
mircea_popescu: aha. it's exactly the same thing. "unknowable"
asciilifeform: anyway contrary to the other popular notion, this is not why we don't have analogue pc
mircea_popescu: again and again we come to the "will need nre hardware" thing
asciilifeform: (and nobody else does either)
asciilifeform: hey i don't even own an instrument that deals in the reals !11111
asciilifeform: supposing 'value' means 'what it means to go player', as in score if the game were declared to end
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform come to think of it : take a matrix, set it to go pieces, calculate the value of the position.
assbot: Logged on 09-02-2016 17:16:54; ben_vulpes: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/hacker-publishes-personal-info-of-20000-fbi-agents