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BingoBoingo: internal resistance also greatly reduced in the low self discharge version
asciilifeform: that's another thing, internal resistance of nimh is pretty high
BingoBoingo: <punkman> you could make battery pack that plugs in charger port, see what happens << these tend to be li-ion, on in my present case charger is plugged into SLA
BingoBoingo: Or introduce the sensible compromise that clock gets throttled on battery power.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: So far playing with these astoundingly flat.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: also remember the discharge curve.
BingoBoingo: So, power reserve capacity goes down to get the lighter weight. This is just physics.
punkman: if you were to have the equivalent of 10 AA I mean
punkman: eneloop is what, 1.2v, lenovo battery 12v, so you'd need 10 of them?
mircea_popescu: the 1/2 figure is more 2000era tho. they're better now.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo there's been a lot of progress with fine meshes or w/e, but i'm pretty sure they still didn't manage to catch up to li ion
mircea_popescu: that's what makes these things iffy. gotta let the proponent state it whenever it's such a case.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ~1/2 the density << In practice I'm not so sure. 3 AA eneloops new offers a total 6.3 Ah. Present laptop's battery if new 5.2 Ah with much bigger cells
asciilifeform: but i'd love to engage the author here.
asciilifeform: the proof appears to use the.... Handwaving technique.
mircea_popescu: i'd like to read how the lower bound claim is constructed.
asciilifeform: i read the enchilada paper
asciilifeform: ~1/2 the density
punkman: is it actually the same density?
BingoBoingo: I mean that's about as good as or better energy density than Li-ion, vastly reduced fire hazard, and all kinds of other joy.
BingoBoingo: There's AA low self discharge NiMH cells out there with 2 amp hour capacities and up to 2100 recharge cycle life spans
BingoBoingo: I really don't understand why there isn't more outrage about the perpetuation of this lithium ion battery planned obscelescence scam.
BingoBoingo: Nothing new other than the introduction, which is gold: "Let’s say that you’re running a company and want to create some internal competition between teams to see which ones can perform better. You can do this with R&D, and sales, but I would humbly suggest that you don’t do it with receivables. Sending out duplicate invoices to customers is generally referred to as ‘criminal behavior’."
deedbot-: [Trilema] Building the first Remarkable claim in Eulora - http://trilema.com/2016/building-the-first-remarkable-claim-in-eulora/
mircea_popescu: let's leave it at "property is a complicated thing" then.
punkman: not sure I have any nonstupid questions or answers on the topic
mircea_popescu: that's how malta was originally acquired from the monarch of sicily.
mircea_popescu: under the sole payment of a falcon; which every year, on the Feast of All Saints, shall be presented by the person or persons duly authorised for that purpose, into the hands of the Viceroy or President, who may at that time be administering the government, in sign and recognition of feudal tenure; and having made that payment, they shall remain exempt and free from all other service claimable by law, and by custom per
mircea_popescu: wer of life and death over males and females residing within their limits, and with the laws, constitutions, and rights now existing amongst the inhabitants; together with all other laws and rights, exemptions, privileges, revenues and other immunities whatsoever; so that they may hereafter hold them in feudal tenure from us, as Kings of both Sicilies, and from our successors in the same kingdom, reigning at the time,
mircea_popescu: "we grant, and of our liberality we bountifully bestow upon the aforesaid Very Reverend Grand Master of the Religion and Order of Saint John of Jerusalem, in feudal perpetuity, noble, free and unencumbered, our cities, castles, places and islands of Tripoli, Malta and Gozo, with all their cities, castles, places and island territories; with pure and mixed jurisdiction, right, and property of useful government; with po
mircea_popescu: let them use it for as long as they pay you the rent ?
punkman: no, the sovereign of the island, and now you want to sell land to people
mircea_popescu: you mean the sovereign of the order or what ?
blockchain_enthu: anyway, i think i'll have to read up a lot more before i contribute to the discussion here. Thanks all for sharing your thoughts.
punkman: what if you are the king of malta?
mircea_popescu: moreover, currently afaik most of the us runs on the barbaric title-deed mechanism anyway.
mircea_popescu: it's not yet established that "land ownership" by the torens method has any room in the future.
mircea_popescu: not a matter of word picking, i'm just making the point that there's no benefit for the new lord importing the old gunk.
mircea_popescu: it's more obsolete than democracy / marriage / working the fields with your hands.
mircea_popescu: nobody cares about the legal system
punkman: one interesting thing would be land deeds notarized on the bitcoin chain
blockchain_enthu: the only counter point I'd like to make here is this: even though real world items do not follow rules like bitcoins do, but there is a whole system (read legal system) which allows people to do transactions and move things around
danielpbarron: the one thing the block chain can do is move arbitrary numbers between arbitrary addresses and this works because it all exists totally within itself. The problem with trying to mesh this with things not-in-the-block-chain is that they do not have to obey the rules set forth therein
blockchain_enthu: Well I am going through the log
assbot: Logged on 10-02-2016 21:10:11; mircea_popescu: these delusioanl urchins are so used to seeing themselves as a sort of neo-in-matrix that it just doesn't compute.
danielpbarron: here's another part of the log that seems relevant to your station >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2016#1402512 << and funny thing is I'm currently watching The Matrix as we speak
mircea_popescu: how about you read the log instead.
danielpbarron: do you know the private key to any addresses with unspent outputs?
blockchain_enthu: LOL! i'm not saying i'm going to do it. i'm just exploring the possibility
danielpbarron: the key word there is 'somebody' and right now you ain't that
danielpbarron: that and every other half-baked idea to "do x but this time with blockchain technowlogeez"
assbot: Logged on 16-10-2015 13:20:52; mircea_popescu: seriously, you're going to invent a blockchain way to make losers not be beaten up by their betters ? because why.
blockchain_enthu: is there a way for me to read that part ?
danielpbarron: i'm trying to find the part in the log where this idea was proposed and shot down
blockchain_enthu: but the underlying principle of bitcoin is block-chain which can have many other applications
danielpbarron: but the implication is that there could exist a block chain without the money part
danielpbarron: what do you mean, block chain more interesting? How are the two separate?
mircea_popescu: i guess this raises the need for an intermediate flag
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the src and itself also, prolly, yeah.
mircea_popescu: well whatever, the thing with the dials.
asciilifeform: the diesel sort? not unless it was made in 1900 or so
asciilifeform: the ~sane~ behaviour for a make is to kill only that which it itself birthed.
assbot: Logged on 13-02-2016 03:50:29; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> 'make clean' should not delete motherfucking tarballs of deps THAT WILL NEVER CHANGE EVER <<< make clean should wipe the whole thing, that's the idea
mod6: mircea_popescu: hows the power situation been?
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, it's been raining like the end of the world in buenos aires, i fully expect the downtown to be under water in the morning.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> 'make clean' should not delete motherfucking tarballs of deps THAT WILL NEVER CHANGE EVER <<< make clean should wipe the whole thing, that's the idea
mircea_popescu: * asciilifeform wonders if the buildscript could become a makefile one day << afaik this was broadly tyhe plan, at least at first
mod6: has everyone who is going to test this: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-February/000210.html actually finished? maybe i don't need to wait another week.
mod6: ok testing the one line change to v99996 build script.
mod6: (this is without the makefiles), with the makefiles, we'll have to wait on the release vpatch until the makefiles are vified.
mod6: then we can update the build script for v99995 where it presses up through `v054-RELEASE.vpatch' or something.
mod6: so once the new V is out, i don't see why at that point we don't submit the release vpatch.
asciilifeform: nobody would even notice if they were to vanish - caches have it all
mod6: where do you get A records if all of the root/gtld servers vanish?
asciilifeform: and where, exactly, is one to get a new host file, if all of the mirrors vanish overnight ?
mod6: these are the new root servers.
trinque: I quite liked the v-tronic hosts file idea
mod6: anyway, so again, my short term goal here is to get V stablized so hopefully no further changes will be needed once i pt out v99995
trinque: yep, albeit "boost is done" is currently "there is a folder here which it shat"
asciilifeform: then works.
asciilifeform: so it needs a fallback where the deps are not curled if already found
trinque: so you put the deps in the proper place, and nothing is downloaded
mod6: im trying to avoid getting hit over the head with "but it uses curl!" -- but maybe i like the beatings?
asciilifeform: (it would invoke the heathen ones in the deps and intelligently proceed, or not, given success/failure)
asciilifeform: trinque: originally i wanted recursive so i could dive into, e.g., boost, openssl, and have a single makefile for the whole orchestra
mod6: instead we just have a "release" version of the build script like everyone has been using and then push the "better build aparatus" into the post release development push.
trinque: given you proposed recursive makefiles, and are now bitching that there are many makefiles, what is your new proposal?
mod6: ok so you're not sold on these 'eh.
mod6: yeah, well, that is one of the things. we need to figure out where to pull the stuff from -- and again if locally, then we need to totally alter buildroot.
mod6: ah, ok. well, we're planning on working through these things. any other things?
asciilifeform: also mixing v press and makefile build is imho The Wrong Thing.
asciilifeform: 'make clean' should not delete motherfucking tarballs of deps THAT WILL NEVER CHANGE EVER
mod6: getting the makefiles squared away, is the last remaining task (other than regression testing) that stands in the way of v054
mod6: i just haven't quite figured out how im gonna fit it all together since they need to be Vified as well. at lesat, I think they do...
asciilifeform: did they sanely avoid building anything that was already built ?
asciilifeform: but of the builder
punkman: there was polarbeard's thing
asciilifeform wonders if the buildscript could become a makefile one day
mod6: then move on and there will just be a new version soon.
mod6: i guess I should make the script change and get it deedbotted.
mod6: Cause then I'm gonna release V v99995, which will require another script update.
danielpbarron: i have plenty of stuff to do so hopefully i won't get too carried away on the bidding
mod6: well, we need to make a 1 line change to the 99996 build script, and then update the wiki. BUT on the other hand we're gonna need 99995 soon anyway, as soon as some people beat up on my latest patch for V.
danielpbarron: mod6> danielpbarron, got plans this weekend? << Eulora auction yo! Other than that, I don't really have "weekends" as I don't have a 9 to 5 kinda schedule
mircea_popescu: and i sure as fuck ain't doing basic science for the sake of science on it.
mircea_popescu: do not expect me to know how unix runs. the authors gave up.
mircea_popescu: they do.
asciilifeform: 'cause they never get sighup ?!
mircea_popescu: the others don't mind.
asciilifeform: is that the one where mircea_popescu nohup'd without & ?
mircea_popescu: and to round up : the other one, testing a (slightly older) 99996 keeps dying like a little bitch, so it's behind
mircea_popescu: the entire fucking exercise is precisely and strictly ABOUT taking all the sexy out of programming. ALL OF IT. forevert.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu can go on about how disgusting a cow is, but at the end of the day his icecream still comes out of one...
mircea_popescu: rebase until your finger bleed. i don't give a shit how hard it is, or how you think there's more productive uses of your time.
mircea_popescu: read the fucking code, don't write it.
mircea_popescu: all the rocks are, deliberately, pointedly and with no recourse placed on your ballsacks.
mircea_popescu: there's no squirming out from under this rock, like there's no squirming out from under any other rock.
mircea_popescu: the responsibility rests ENTIRELY with the coders.
mircea_popescu: anyway. there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG with using a release.
mod6: ah, ok.. but don't run the 99996 yet -- the script needs a 1 line update iirc.
mircea_popescu: AT THE TIME is what we had.
mod6: basically, either you accept the preposed in toto, or you do not and piece-meal it together by which people you trust and do not, and which patches you want or do not.
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> my mind recoils at the notion of running a reference implementation compiled without knowing the patchlist going into it << im not sure how to reconsile this. either you don't know what you're doing and you use a fully automated build script, or you do, and you build by hand.
ben_vulpes: but the road to automated reactor controls is paved with perl scripts, if you'll forgive a language jab mod6
ben_vulpes: they accomplish their purpose! last time i read through them they even checked hashes and performed all sorts of niceties.
mod6: they could be better, sorry.
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> yes mod6's scripts are excellent, use them! << hey now!
ben_vulpes: punkman: and why is she even hosting them herself?
ben_vulpes: one of the downsides of the kalash is its wide cone of bullet distribution
mod6: ah, where can I find the source for that?
mircea_popescu: punkman and they won't make it in a foundation release.
mircea_popescu: a happy man is one who never went into the sausage factory.
ben_vulpes: yes mod6's scripts are excellent, use them!
ben_vulpes: my mind recoils at the notion of running a reference implementation compiled without knowing the patchlist going into it
mircea_popescu: mod6 seeing how the node is almost caught up i'd say it's 3 weeks old
mod6: but again, shouldn't effect Mr. P. since he did all of this before the regrind.
asciilifeform: so i cannot say whether he pressed with malleus.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: "build-bitcoind-v99996.sh" is the sole knob mircea_popescu cares to use
asciilifeform: and i wanted to make another, re: how driving solely with wot at present time is rather like steering a bus using solely the brake pedal.
asciilifeform: as presently extant, you can't pile on the latter unthinkingly and drive solely using former.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: also remember that there are ~two~ knobs, meant to be used in unison - wot and patches.
asciilifeform: but, possibly embarrassingly, i don't presently know if mod6's v actually climbs the latest branches of all present keys
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is using the knobs as they were intended to be used.
mircea_popescu: you've been warned, not only throughout, but at the outset. THIS is what it is all for.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes no, i control the wot.
mod6: must be the one he built with build-bitcoind-V99996.sh or whatever.
ben_vulpes: not answering the q lol
mircea_popescu: "blocks" : 382218, other one's almopst there
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: why does nohup not protect against terminal exiting without the fork?
mircea_popescu: pos doesn't have tmux either
mircea_popescu: motherfucker. this box keeps shutting down bitcoin.
mod6: ooh maybe the original rating date is preseved.
assbot: You rated user mike_c on 10-Aug-2014, with a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: Met IRL, runs btcalpha.com, built new WoT tool.
gribble: mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 14 weeks, 1 day, 0 hours, 33 minutes, and 4 seconds ago: <mike_c> let's get that thing out the door and get alf some goddamn bitcoin already
mircea_popescu: it's not too bad with the foxybot, can go the whole day on 10 minute's attention
mircea_popescu: diana has them
mod6: i miss playing. i gotta get back in there one of these times.
mircea_popescu: you know they found the actual mining skill
mircea_popescu: in very scary fucking news that will scar you for the rest of the day, so don't look! http://45.media.tumblr.com/3df51e27518fa30b33762a529d9fdad1/tumblr_noajqyXfXP1uu92gho1_400.gif
mircea_popescu: and for stuff like electron drift velocity, thallium is up there with fucking mercury.
mircea_popescu: because of the fucking impedance in thin fillaments and other considerations, your shit will never work as a straight conductor.
mircea_popescu: i would expect, on the basis of sheer guesswork, that if you want to make fine mesh shields as opposed to a traditional, 2mm thick cage, that you would want various quantum and other side effects ratgher than straight conductivity.
asciilifeform: but i wanna measure the extant crud
mircea_popescu: actually, i would expect either indium or thalium would be what you would want on the basis of em considerations.
asciilifeform: then perforate with laser...
mircea_popescu: i imagine they print it.
mircea_popescu: i don't have the curves in my head, but i am still willing to bet nickel does not shine in any range
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-02-2016#1404121 << yes apparently there is this whole subculture of rf 'allergy' crackpots
mircea_popescu: and if you're going to do fine, who the fuck does nickel.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the finer the mesh, the worse the result.
ben_vulpes: i think he really enjoys the ripping noise too
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-02-2016#1404020 << in fairness it was because i left the lasrt character out.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i suppose some do. the wall ain't going anywhere, so by all means.
assbot: Logged on 12-02-2016 22:15:37; asciilifeform: '1). Make a decision to let go of the past technical issues. We don’t care whose fault it was, who broke protocol, who harmed who’s feelings or egos, who lied or who was technically or morally wrong. The time has come to move on. We can start fresh and work together to prevent or react to any new human issues.' << ahahahah pure gold
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-02-2016#1403885 << "we haven't learned anything from the previous beating and pledge to continue as before. because we really enjoy taking beatings."
assbot: Logged on 12-02-2016 21:51:21; ben_vulpes: "If we add up the value of the hours spent on it, we’re in the tens, maybe hundreds of millions of dollars." << not me, not anyone here. lookee at how much we've saved by not giving any credence at all to the brain damage!
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-02-2016#1403847 << tmsr. not only spending on deficit, but also saving millions on other people's [mostly mental] deficits.
mircea_popescu: in other news, why is princessnell bombing inept douches off medium in here ?
assbot: Logged on 12-02-2016 19:28:23; BingoBoingo: Probably the nordic ones mostly.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-02-2016#1403793 << arabs do not care for the cold. russia exists as a going concern principally for this reason.
mircea_popescu: spain, france, the south of england, "italy" whatever that means, western austria, southwestern germany etc.
assbot: Logged on 12-02-2016 19:26:26; mats: I wonder how many pieces of the eu/eurozone will be part of the caliphate in a few decades
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-02-2016#1403791 << i would expect all of the sandvaginated area.
assbot: Logged on 12-02-2016 18:48:33; mats: even better when you remember the tor browser bundle is built on top of firefox
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-02-2016#1403785 << the lulziest part there is that there's this entire subculture of tor punks.
assbot: Logged on 12-02-2016 18:35:57; ben_vulpes: what'd adlai do this time? i didn't see anything notably lulzy in the logs...
mod6: i should break it up, and do them in chunks
mod6: i think ~normally~ 15 minutes is probably plenty. but for me, i wait a while before updating ratings, so trying to do a pile of them at once isn't a good idea.
kakobrekla: but seriously i can make it go slower if theres an actual need for this
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for jurov from 3 to 4 with note: Great work for The Bitcoin Foundation.
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for diana_coman from 1 to 2 with note: Eulorian. Great work on FoxyBot.
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for danielpbarron from 1 to 2 with note: Eulorian. Nice help testing TRB & b-a wiki.
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for funkenstein_ from 1 to 2 with note: Testing & Development of TRB.
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for hanbot from 3 to 4 with note: Wonderful help testing TRB.
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for shinohai from 1 to 2 with note: Very responsive and helpful testing of TRB & V.
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for ben_vulpes from 4 to 5 with note: The Bitcoin Foundation Co-Chair
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for pete_dushenski from 1 to 2 with note: Built TRB node & helps test. Runs contravex.com a TMSR related blog.
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for trinque from 2 to 3 with note: deedbot. Great work testing & Development for TRB.
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for asciilifeform from 3 to 4 with note: Many arms. Outstanding work on The Bitcoin Foundation.
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for kakobrekla from 2 to 3 with note: assbot, #b-a, BitBet.
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for thestringpuller from 2 to 3 with note: Helped test TRB.
mod6: !v assbot:mod6.rate.thestringpuller.3:dd385b5f642e94a8d590a76f17544af687292c0255ed0bedc2d9de43cace1e55
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for tomservo from 1 to 2 with note: Built TRB node.
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for punkman from 1 to 2 with note: Development for TRB.
gernika: heh yeah just read the rest of the log. fingers crossed :)
mod6 has to beat the clock.
BingoBoingo: http://www.nsd.se/nyheter/boden/extra-har-intraffade-mordforsoket-9861329.aspx << Anyone know Swedish? Apparently seems to be the datacenter some KNCminer shit is at.
BingoBoingo: mod6: thermal printer and laser scanner?
danielpbarron: or both private even, but i think people like to see at least one of them
danielpbarron: don't worry you don't have to spam again, the !rate part can be done in private and then you can do the verification in here
shinohai: they expire for me like in ~10-15
danielpbarron: it takes like 10 minutes if i'm not mistaken, but yeah they expire
mod6: these don't expire do they? that way they can be done async
mod6: what in the fuck
pete_dushenski: plus, he can say all kinds of things i couldn't. and when a 5-month old says inappropriate things it's funny! it's like our own personal 'kids say the darndest things'
assbot: Logged on 11-02-2016 22:43:14; asciilifeform: more of how the boy might have problems grasping why his parents do anything other than eating cake
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1403138 << lo! this was the EXACT pseudo-pete-as-puppeteer conversation between girl and little guy in airport when he tried first french fry. "why do you guys eat anything other than this, it's the best!"
danielpbarron: i did that, which thing on the list is it?
mod6: sorry for all the noise.
danielpbarron: wouldn't be the only mispelling of items. see: ennumeration (should be enumeration)
danielpbarron: I think the correct term for Eulora players is 'Euloran' even though the original bezzle-bag says 'Eulorian'
mod6: !rate thestringpuller 3 Helped test TRB.
mod6: !rate asciilifeform 4 Many arms. Outstanding work on The Bitcoin Foundation.
mod6: !rate jurov 4 Great work for The Bitcoin Foundation.
mod6: !rate ben_vulpes 5 The Bitcoin Foundation Co-Chair
pete_dushenski: "The date bug affects iPhones, iPads and iPod touches with 64-bit processors running iOS 8 or iOS 9, including the iPhone 5S or newer, the iPad Air, iPad mini 2 or the 2015 sixth generation iPod touch or newer." << or why iphone 5 with os6 was last iphone.
shinohai: pete_dushenski: how ya like this? I thought of your benz and the diplomatic flags when I made it.
assbot: Setting the date to 1 January 1970 will brick your iPhone, iPad or iPod touch | Technology | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1LlHrfg )
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: but no, neither of our rusty side-fascinations are 'infrastructure'. that was the point.
pete_dushenski: tho 'lord of the vehicles' has a ring to it.
assbot: Logged on 11-02-2016 13:44:45; asciilifeform: if pete_d's benz then it also yes!
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=11-02-2016#1402777 << my 'rusty benz' is infrastructure exactly like asciilifeform's z80s are infrastructure. take that fwiw but i dun really see the applicability.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: low cost implementations, jamming, longstanding fascination with MEMS, balloons, whole buncha half-thought-through stuff in the vein
shinohai: O.o the *real* pete_dushenski
asciilifeform: then i wonder wtf is 'prism200', and lo and behold, vendor www: http://www.cambridgeconsultants.com/prism-200
asciilifeform: from amazon review of conductive paint q&a: 'How to prevent the disturbing from the uper floor of my appartment? They may use Prism200.'
danielpbarron: ahmedbodi, how's -OTC these days?
danielpbarron: i missed fghj the other day
danielpbarron: jurov gets to be the rating slut this time :D
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