asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'newton' has been dead and buried since the re-enthronement of steve jobs
assbot: Logged on 17-02-2016 15:57:31; Reydevkiwi: just saw a doc on all the backdoors in apple phone os, then this
BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2016#1408314 << Newton, the actual apple pocketable or heretic iThing
phf: also ftr i've never had a paid license. even without it developer.apple.com used to have all kinds of goodies. source code for all their opensource parts, legacy software, old version of xcode, various specialist tools for debugging, etc.
asciilifeform: these are precious and hoarded.
asciilifeform: to 'jailbreak', you normally have to discover one of the handful of bugs planted for usg use.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: also starting with, iirc, ipnohe 5, the cpu is custom crapple asic (licensed arm) and has the various 'seek00rity' crud in mask rom.
mircea_popescu: they'd have to be tho. space.
asciilifeform: uneconomic to actually do anything at all with these.
asciilifeform: also note that they are all bga
asciilifeform: the teardown www has chip ids, links.
mircea_popescu: is iphone 6 the current ?
mircea_popescu: next time babe goes into the bath with her phone in hand, ima look into the damned thing i guess.
trinque: at least in android's case there's something of a linux down there you can get to without back-alley surgery
asciilifeform: you will find a SINGLE ic, and a good chunk of the crapolade is in mask rom.
mircea_popescu: make it be the lousy pentium-2 it was born to be ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what do you mean 'take the crap out'
jurov: have you caught the recent update problems? get non-original part, get bricked on next update
phf: there was a project for os replacements back in 3g days, back when you could still conceivably load your own blob as an os, and expect it to do ~something~
mircea_popescu: speaking of nintendo, i recall a thriving mod chip industree just about the time the bulgarians were taking over cd pressing.
jurov: hahahahaha apple specialists are trained to either replace device or exchange for coupons to newe shinier one
mircea_popescu: well, fwiw i find the conversation very instructive.
asciilifeform: there is a massive multi-GB bolus of shit
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there is not a 'normal item'
jurov: hahahahaha if the damned things could be even sanely opened
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i admittedly have no clue, but i'd have expected the golden route is to simply replace the blessed chip of blessings with normal item.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: gotta find exploit in the firmware (typically, the bootloader, if you want the 'rooting' to persist across power cycles)
jurov: and there's qntra. phf, say, if you write the why and how of V, you'll surely recoup the $99 several times.
mircea_popescu: iirc the whole thing was os.\
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'rooting' ipnohe is complicated. not in the sense of 'how to do it', it is braindamagedly easy. BUT you have to run a multi-MB closed turd. which installs ???????.
mircea_popescu: i shall now be quiet while alf, who has never set foot in california, proceeds to explain to people who live there how the place is.
PeterL: my grandparents lived in Palo Alto for a while, that is where my dad went to high school (back in the 60's)
asciilifeform: mats: sucks for plebe. but have you tried having $1B there ?
mircea_popescu: why the fuck ?!
assbot: Logged on 17-02-2016 15:26:10; mircea_popescu: what else that anyone could conceivably want is found in the 50 states ?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2016#1408268 << same thing as in su - anything from intact copper pipes, to the five specialists who still know how to make neutron tubes for fissile initiators
mircea_popescu: is this factual btw ? are there more people with unrooted apple-things than rooted ?
mircea_popescu: PeterL in other news, eulora sold more game time and made more revenue per game time than pretty much everything in that walled garden. but then again...
PeterL: if you expect to get rich off $1 sales, you need the garden market, not the few individuals outside it
jurov: mircea_popescu thinks that extracting coins from the wot is easy?
asciilifeform: the model was pioneered by game console makers.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would you develop for anything but rooted appleware unless apple was paying your salary+benefits is unclear to me.
asciilifeform: on ipnohe, the loader only loads signed bins. and the crapplestore only hosts same. i thought this was well known.
mircea_popescu: oh oh this is about putting stuff in the apple store thing is it.
asciilifeform: who, you know - sign the binary
asciilifeform: the censors.
mircea_popescu: by the who ?
mircea_popescu: back when there was still hope.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: crapple follows the nintendo model, your thing won't even be considered by the censors unless you hold an account
mircea_popescu: phf why the everloving fuck would you pay a license to develop.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: rats orbiting $100M houses of the lottery winners aha
phf: (in other apple is dead not so news, i logged into a developer account in hopes of grabbing xcode dmg's direct instead of going through apple store, and oh boy. what used to be a rather spartan list of downloads, docs, resources has turned into "Click your iPhone app into Apple Store! Anyone can do it!" complete with giant banners of hip womens holding iphones. where's the docs? where's all the shit? literally the only thing you can do
mircea_popescu: and nobody i ever met retires to palo alto. have you EVEN SEEN the place ?
mircea_popescu: your theory doesn't stand.
asciilifeform: no longer plan their whole lives with an eye towards retiring in palo alto ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is telling me that orc chieftains no longer send their children as hostages to the humans ?
mircea_popescu: " is that usg has the politburo in both cases by the balls, they all have swiss accounts 'which could have problems' if they don't play ball." << if we were discussing a tissue sample, this would directly map to "god's life force prevails"
mircea_popescu: and there's sure as heck no "life power" behind it all, which amusingly is your go-to answer whenever complexity overwhelms.
asciilifeform: the answer, as far as i can see, is that usg has the politburo in both cases by the balls, they all have swiss accounts 'which could have problems' if they don't play ball.
mircea_popescu: for me, it was way the fuck cheaper than to pay the woman for her work. for her, it was an excellent alibi.
mircea_popescu: let me give you an example : when i was 16, i was paying rent for a place i practically never used, to a married mother of two. who took it in all the holes like a champ, twice a week.
asciilifeform: copyrasty is pretty simple to understand. all of the money flows into usa. tribute.
mircea_popescu: that's what's propping the whole charade, and well...
mircea_popescu: no, it's the tendency of people to abuse the usd as a temporary replacement for btc, until btc was devised.
asciilifeform: cn is paying for motherfucking arm cpu license.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i would propose this is not so, nobody actually PAYS the us for ip. merely subsidiaries repatriate capital under that guise.
assbot: Logged on 17-02-2016 15:17:11; mircea_popescu: PeterL> The rest of the world starts ignoring the US, the US pretends they still control everything << incidentally, the soviets had a very similar delusion going, see komintern etc. it worked about as much as the us thing does, which is to say not at all unless you're either very enamoured with the delusion or otherwise see a ready way to profit from castigating it.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2016#1408258 << on the other hand, the only reason usa has any spending money at all is the international copyrasty treaty system. if it falls apart, game over. instantly.
mircea_popescu: now, your earlier point notwithstanding, bahamas is still an ineptitude record-setting president, on the level of j. davis. tis not ~by~ the adversity he encounters that you know a man, but IN.
mircea_popescu: sounds good phf. ftr i dun think there was anything wrong with your thing per se. broke an assumption i made that i still don't well understanbd, so... it counts as a positive.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: then ru likewise. and with similar caveats.
phf: (so to wrap up previous thread, patches will remain, until clicking any patch in that graph produces a press, ideally clicking on one of the patches from mod6 release should produce press identical to mod6's press even in the presence of conflicting patches. i'll solve this problem sometime this week)
asciilifeform: saw this in the fishwrap this morning and ignored.
asciilifeform: but because the most terrifying thing, to the rotten west, is a viable alternate civ.
asciilifeform: the brzezinski are not concerned with it because it is an economic giant (such as, e.g., cn)
mircea_popescu: better aligned than the us, tis true, but still a minor player.
assbot: Logged on 17-02-2016 14:59:11; mircea_popescu: no but don't you think it's kind-of funny nobody goes "hey, bahamas-the-laureate said embargo will totally hurt russia - it decimated our allies instead. maybe bahamas is just fucking stupid ?"
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2016#1408239 << ru getting up off its knees and spitting out the 1990s cock it swallowed during eltsin, would have happened anyway. simply happened to land on obamitler's desk
asciilifeform: this is not only deliberate but is implicit in the very idea.
asciilifeform: the only thing v does without cranking is to accurately represent longest-chain-signed-by-these-here-folks
mircea_popescu: i've been thinking about this ever since then
mircea_popescu: i had, because i expected the thing to work in terms of straight url substitution.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, for instance, appears to have mistook it for the current ver
asciilifeform: phf: i see the rationale, but you keeping these on www right alongside the working versions, is quite certain to confuse folks.
assbot: Logged on 17-02-2016 02:44:08; phf: (my press is still broken though, because i want to have all the patches that were ever produced in there, even the conflicting ones, and simply throwing them into a pile seems to not work. i'll figure it out sometime this week)
assbot: Logged on 17-02-2016 13:21:37; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2016#1408036 << this is the old, broken version, why is it here ?
mircea_popescu: who the fuck buys lard.
mircea_popescu: and yes, i am aware that you're thinking you're decent people, and your friends idem, and you'll toil and labour and this can't all be to waste. the thing you're not aware of is that i have friends like that in say togo. ever heard of togo ? and had friends like that in lebanon years ago, and so on.
mircea_popescu: what else that anyone could conceivably want is found in the 50 states ?
mircea_popescu: but, fortunately for it, the us has nothing to offer. it'd be an active safari grounds for live slaves, if the women weren't generally ugly and universally fat. it is being raided to shit by indian/chinese people for whatever shreds of prestige it may have left, tho from what i hear us diplomas are becoming 2nd rate in beijing these days.
mircea_popescu: (and no, the notion that the usg has any say in this is preposterous - if the mexican narcos decided to take over, they would take over, and no us president would even deign to EVEN NOTICE that "hey, at some point in the recent past the border was on the river".)
mircea_popescu: because it is in fact cheaper to do this than undertake the expense to administer it.
mircea_popescu: note that the few people who actually do atm derive value from it, the mexican narcos, do not bother to replace the federal government, just route around it.
mircea_popescu: it's a wonder to see it at work, too : consider the case of ross ulbricht. amply retarded kid, did pretty much every stupid thing in the book. yet because he was indicted by the us-komintern, he still has A LOT molre support than would be warranted on the face of things.
mircea_popescu: most of what the komintern practically did was allow a ready way for people outside of russia to get rid of their inconvenient opponents.
mircea_popescu: PeterL> The rest of the world starts ignoring the US, the US pretends they still control everything << incidentally, the soviets had a very similar delusion going, see komintern etc. it worked about as much as the us thing does, which is to say not at all unless you're either very enamoured with the delusion or otherwise see a ready way to profit from castigating it.
mircea_popescu: and to think that if only they had the fucking common sense to allow turkey in (like mp said, back in the day, but hey, why listen to mp when you got politicians et all) would have not only prevented this, but made the whole effort productive instread of merely defensive.
mircea_popescu: davout laugh all you want, but you know zee germans are counting those bn against their eu contributions yes ?
mircea_popescu: last i heard germany only wanted 5k a head, so it should come out to maybe 50bn or so, not the end of the world
mircea_popescu: obviously, europe enjoys getting fucked, after so many years of not getting any. but still... money is money. sending washington the bill for the 10mn arabs ?
mircea_popescu: retarded euros on the other hand... "us posturing precipitated an immigration influx that we reallty can't support. wat do ?" "i dunno, but try to not notice that the us-provided security costs a degree or two of magnitude more than the worst possible case would be without them around"
mircea_popescu: and even the retarded canadians... "us posturing precipitated a trade war that just ENDED canada as an industrial nation. wat do ?"
mircea_popescu: PeterL you mean other than pretty much every one there ? from argentina to saudi arabia, take your pick ?
mircea_popescu: im sure it's ever so glorious being black and having these idiots for "supporters". with such help you really don't need any enemies.
mircea_popescu: so far, positive action produced pretty much the least competent us president to date, a few notches below even jefferson davies (and actually very similar in style, too!) who just happens to be a black man.
mircea_popescu: no but don't you think it's kind-of funny nobody goes "hey, bahamas-the-laureate said embargo will totally hurt russia - it decimated our allies instead. maybe bahamas is just fucking stupid ?"
mircea_popescu: yet the canadians aren't swarming across the border to fucking burn down the dangerous rogue state next door.
mircea_popescu: shinohai moslty manufactured by the us "embargo on russia". which so totally hurt putin o noes.
mircea_popescu: yeah, england's not really on the map, unless you wish to join the arab footsoldiers and rape fat ugly chicks for the next decade.
mircea_popescu: (for the record, most autistic children misrepresent themselves as smart, and actual smart children as some sort of chtonic horror/chtulhu)
mircea_popescu: if your kid is not smart, but merely autistic, then some hope may exist - but probably in china
mircea_popescu: this is a complicated question. if your kid is smart, such that all he needs to make money is for bitcoin to exist, then most of the world fits the bill, because all he really needs is weak local government.
mircea_popescu: and yes, this was EXACTLY the situation throughout the 2nd half of the 20th century in russia & friends.
mircea_popescu: now replace "i materialize out of the ethers and offer well trained young slave" with "any discretionary expense" and you've got a pretty accurate picture.
mircea_popescu: consider this simple point : so i materialize out of the ethers and offer well trained young slave to us kid, for $sum. how can he pay ? he can't. he has no money, the usual way he pays for things (begs daddy-government's agent, called "bank" for absolutely no reason much like fast-food is unrelated to food, being a species of engine oil) does not work for this purpose. what's left ? we just discussed how he can not do
mircea_popescu: yes. by moving out of the us.
PeterL: one has to prepare for the future somehow
mircea_popescu: you can't seriously contemplate this applies in the us ?
PeterL: isn't that why you have children, so they can support you when you are old?
jurov: heh that won't really work (our fees are $x, add to that $random on the murican side)
jurov: davout try formulating the question for lulz "us clients complained about fees, what do you recommend to them"
mircea_popescu: and in other banking news, here's an illustration of empowered, liberated us feminist getting herself a new credit card - http://40.media.tumblr.com/726408e24ac80c2ae491becd304a82e0/tumblr_nia2tnRBnB1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg
davout: either way i'll ask the question a bit more formally, and ask about outgoing non-sepa wires too could be useful since i don't plan on ever becoming a victim of my own success
mircea_popescu: it's basically a soviet country, just like the russians were. unlike the other soviet union, however, it doesn't fucking know this, goes to bed every night collectively imagining that "start-ups" as implemented there are actual business ; and "stars" as implemented there are examples of successful people. it's really quite amusing.
mircea_popescu: the upfront cost of attempting to do business as a us subject far exceeds any possibility of gain no matter how fantasmagorically distant.
mircea_popescu: i'm telling you , advise us partners to either a) get an eu entity incorporated and use that or b) be less poor, as applicable.
assbot: Logged on 17-02-2016 13:35:48; PeterL: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=16-02-2016#1407557 << What is this lithium ion cell business? Real men just throw a hunk of lithium into their water with tea leaves.
davout: so apparently fees on non-sepa wires are 'complicated' and may or may not depend on the the original fee setting request (OUR, SHA, BEN if memory serves), and on possible currency conversion fees on either end
mircea_popescu: me either!
mircea_popescu: and the monetary cost is nothing, us banks are incredibly parochially retarded, will pretend like they can send wires, but then don't.
jurov: did they tell you how much usians pay to wire funds to you?
jurov: Looking at you, USians who don't want to feed coinbase and their ilk.
jurov: davout, nice statement but the bot is mia again. some people depend on x.eur to run their racket^W serious business!!!
PeterL: anybody interested in buying the longshot position of yes on carson? https://bitbet.us/bet/1204/ben-carson-will-be-republicans-2016-presidential-nominee/#b4
assbot: Logged on 16-02-2016 21:57:41; BingoBoingo: What is this samovar business. Real men Just throw lithium ion cells into their water with the tea leaves and a dash of salt.
PeterL: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=16-02-2016#1407557 << What is this lithium ion cell business? Real men just throw a hunk of lithium into their water with tea leaves.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2016#1408036 << this is the old, broken version, why is it here ?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2016#1408095 << what is this crud - x86, and i7 no less, the one with the hidden nsa core, wtf, if i wanted this, could walk into any shop on the planet and buy.
asciilifeform: the split was carefully deliberate.
asciilifeform: part1 is the bridge. part2 is the only place where trb per se is touched, where the hooks are inserted.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2016#1408030 << it had own genesis to establish pedigree with the historic tinyscheme. but shiva is a patch that bridges it into the trb tree. and yes i rebased it, it works with the current trb.
punkman: "The trustee has approved part of the filed claims. At this time those who have filed "BTC-only claim" will know whether it is approved. Other approvals are still on hold.."
assbot: Cash-only marijuana dispensaries flood California tax office with paper | US news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1KpaMub )
punkman: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/16/medical-marijuana-dispensaries-california-tax-cash-only
punkman: phf: how to do conflict resolution << just let the user pick one of the conflicting branches
phf: which makes me wonder about some of the patches and how to do conflict resolution, for example http://btcbase.org/hash/BDC4FC472BE4A86FB91FA69368FAACE04414FDEEE5B8C82795E31D37E21581B973CAF7F3E9CCC27D487944A5782E3B59615180EAB87C8B3E81242901F3039E4D all patch wallet.cpp towards a divergent state
pete_dushenski: "the tesla of television!"
pete_dushenski: "the facebook of buttsex!"
pete_dushenski: "like the uber of toilet paper!"
assbot: Flux Party seeks to be the bitcoin of Australian politics| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1KVHdQX )
pete_dushenski: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-australia-politics-tech-idUSKCN0VP2TJ << the x of y finally comes to bitcoin in 2016.
pete_dushenski: but i guess there can't be ~that~ many pics of abdullah pounding white poon in the back of his open-air 600 landaulet
assbot: Logged on 17-02-2016 02:36:58; mircea_popescu: speaking of the king of jordan and his mercedes, http://40.media.tumblr.com/fb142efbdc04ec9115a00b342da8e762/tumblr_nir0r5aLaw1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg
phf: punkman: is comments in code still the plan? that seems to suffer from similar issues as experimental branch
pete_dushenski: because no special treatment ? no soft pandering to their fee-fees ?
pete_dushenski: now, the logs.
punkman: BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: What truly is a release other than a particular V tree? << a release is a vpatch that adds a comment to every single file. or at least that was the plan.
mircea_popescu: for instance, i took rhetorics with the worlds best rhetorics teacher, no doubt about it. she gave me an 80%, which was by far my lowest mark that year, but then again a good 20% over the next best in the 800 strong year.
mircea_popescu: though arguably it should, but that's another discussion.
mircea_popescu: the occasional exception being local lion backed by foreign capital, resulting in things like say protv. but very much exceptional, and only capable of existing in specific niches. also, temporary things.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: ok. so guy wants to improve his station by moving abroad to work for multinational. and he doesn't apply for this job by mailing a few pieces of paper with letters on them, but more importantly with ~numbers~ on them, lending clear incentive to find easy > great teacher in uni ?
mircea_popescu: but no, by and large there was no status there. for middling derps, yes. but not otherwise.
mircea_popescu: much better deal to actually work in their home location.
mircea_popescu: these jobs sucked, because foreign firm without exception tried to pay local salaries and demand foreign work.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: was there not status in working for 'foreign' firm ? did these not have interview/application processes ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: What truly is a release other than a particular V tree?
mircea_popescu: there's not even space for head hunters, people just know.
pete_dushenski: right, so bring on the best of the best of the nastiest of the crudest of the shrewdest teachers :)
mircea_popescu: i dun think there exists even today the romanian speaker who a) is competent in the sense contemplated here and b) actually applies for a job, any job.
mircea_popescu: punkman well, let's see what the others say. i faintly dislike the idea on morale grounds, but it's not the end of the world
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2016#1407796 << this might seem odd to you because you never (presumably) cared about the signal that an honours degree sent to potential employers. ie. the type who sort resumes by "has degree, doesn't. has honours, doesn't." which'd mostly be gov, so... it depends.
punkman: like this http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20160128/asciilifeform_shiva_part_2_of_2.vpatch?sha1=abc9c21e3c86e7a540b20e49a6ebc86017758e48
punkman: the tinyscheme stands alone but there;s also 2-3 other patches related to it that touch trb
mircea_popescu: in the tree.
punkman: still not sold on the dual genesis, but if the foundation moves forward with this model, I suggest the new genesis is the release/production/stable branch and the existing genesis the experimental one.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Precise monster zinc carbon went into is "everready dolphin" which walmart had on clearance, for same price as blue pogo which has moved still further down.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Welcome to my world. Several days last week high of the day was immediately before sunrise.
mircea_popescu: how the fuck is 1 am 5 degrees above 1pm ?
mircea_popescu: this fucking climate is beyond comprehension. IT GETS LOTS WARMER AFTER THE SUN SETS.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: where do these go ?
BingoBoingo: In other news when I was at the store today acquired 1lb carbon zinc battery for great justice
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: https://cryptome.org/2016/02/brown-0070.pdf << for possible reprocessing into loltronium ? << I'd need more context on the details motivating the dismissal
mod6: You should end up with the exact same sha512 hashes as listed in the paste. Let me know, either way.
mod6: so what would be great here, is if you apply the patch, or use the v.pl attached to the email (check the sigs ofc), then start clean, do a fresh `./v.pl i http://thebitcoin.foundation`, and then press out the entire tree, `./v.pl p v v054 asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected.vpatch`, then `cd v054` and run that find command at the top of this pastehttp://dpaste.com/2SQ1VZ7.txt
shinohai: ^ will do first thing in the a.m.
mircea_popescu: different genesis makes different tree, it's all there.
mircea_popescu: why not use the current comment symbol ?
mod6: i even had a thought, and im not even sure its feasible technically or just logically, but; we could perhaps create a wrapper for gnu patch where we strip out lines that are surrounded with "%%" or something similar to how it does with "@@", this would ultimately be needed in vtron as well to avoid issues. But the thought is, then we could put comments directly in the vpatch (surrounded by '%%') and
mod6: Since it's getting brought up... TO ALL CONTRIBUTORS: Thank you for your hard work and submissions. Please hang on to your vpatches, or send them to the BTC-Dev mailing list and we'll get to them post release for review & regrind if accepted.
phf: (my press is still broken though, because i want to have all the patches that were ever produced in there, even the conflicting ones, and simply throwing them into a pile seems to not work. i'll figure it out sometime this week)
mod6: Then I can finally turn my attention to what I said I was going to do this month: the makefiles.
mod6: This will allow for us to get everything back into sync; new V, new build script, new instructions in the wiki.
mod6: Should be ready for a new V release by the weekend.
mod6: and also in other news... I'm going to publish a one line change to add a bit more strictness (less fuzz) to the map building part of V -- was basically overlooked on the last beta patch (#3). So this one will be #4, and barring any further big issues, this should be it.
mircea_popescu: speaking of the king of jordan and his mercedes, http://40.media.tumblr.com/fb142efbdc04ec9115a00b342da8e762/tumblr_nir0r5aLaw1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg
mod6: further, some make it, most don't.
mod6: but still, individuals may come, and try, there's a fresh crop every year.
mircea_popescu: well, it does mean they can afford to pay if they fuck something up, so neg rating kinda less likely.
mod6: just because 'king' doesn't mean they still can't get neg rating
mod6: for instance, what if the king of jordan wanted to be in TMSR? why wouldn't autocrats be able to be in the wot?
mircea_popescu: well then he can't have much say can he ?
mircea_popescu: it's not entirely clear father has much say.
mircea_popescu: more of a doublespoken one, too. hence veblen goods and the trillion a year cosmetics industry.
mircea_popescu: this aside, the trade in mates has been historically and will permanently remain a major economic factor. as unwilling to admit people may find themselves. nevertheless, it's rarely an actual market.
mircea_popescu: it has the power of prayer, magic and all sorts of bizarre.
mod6: part of this goes back to, "that sovereigns and sovereigns alone are entitled to anything they may take for themselves," ; as a sovereign you make take the brides you wish, but if you want to make it a deed, signatories must be in the wot.
mircea_popescu: computers aren't much unlike shoe boxes, either.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron depends on the wife.
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: but that is precisely the picture you have drawn: keyless cow.
mircea_popescu: how do you communicate the concept of "her ladyship died this morn" if she has no key ?
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: unless you are a telepath, you might want to remotely operate the wife and need key
mircea_popescu: in the old days, woman wouldn't generally appear too trustworthy before she had fucked most everyone. but it's a truly complex point to communicate.
mircea_popescu: let the ravens do it.
mircea_popescu: i dun think i could be bothered to plow an unkeyed field tbh.