asciilifeform: a 'technical problem' is simply shorthand for problem where the solution is extremely well-defined. e.g., wire is broken, does not conduct, telegraph does not go. solution is technical - mend wire.
mircea_popescu: not that the abstract notion isn't tempting. but i fear it may well be one of those, dwim things.
mircea_popescu: but on thinking about it, i guess in the end i disagree there even could be such a thing as a technical problem.
mircea_popescu: put a wot in there, give up on the idea that people are fungible, problem goes away.
mircea_popescu: imo gpl/gnu/foss/blabla is all sunk by the fact that they wish to oppose SOME effects of socialism, while staying socialist.
phf: it's not clear to me how to enforce it without human in the loop. a monkey can enforce gpl, but it takes thinking human in the loop to identify a wrecker code
asciilifeform: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/Bodenwerder-M%C3%BCnchhausen-Denkmal.jpg << there apparently exist a multitude of pics of it
asciilifeform: phf: aha, he had a rather odd reaction when confronted with the libnss thing back in the day
phf: rms doesn't see вредительство as a problem, but it's also the kind of a problem for which there's no technical solution
BingoBoingo: More accurate: Libreboot is perfectly happy to include turds so long as they have an RMS approved license
asciilifeform: and i'm the only one, it seems, who knows this?
asciilifeform: MOTHERFUCKERS
BingoBoingo wonders if this is the cool kind of DDoS with angle grinders, kerosense, and thermite or the boring kind with packets
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://45.media.tumblr.com/51ed62e8e314a2ff1bcd13939c97b495/tumblr_mo98qd6baF1qlne6uo1_400.gif
kakobrekla: we can talk about that but we can do it on irc and its advised to get in the wot first or else i wont know who im talking to soon
assbot: What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NpJ1vR )
mircea_popescu: botneko-chan suppose you get yourself a key, get in the wot.
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BingoBoingo: What brings you around these parts today?
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phf: i was thinking that get-unix-time is a language feature, that's bedrock (i.e. being able to query wallclock), and can be used to build other abstractions on time, right now used for timing, but should be used as base for get-universal-time/decode-universal-time/get-decoded-time
phf: asciilifeform: i'm not convinced yet one way or another. "ordinary routine" in tinyscheme is considered to be a crossboundary ffi, and is only enabled when building non-standalone
asciilifeform: there are only so many empty primop slots
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 17:55:44; mircea_popescu: btw, asciilifeform any clue as to why he has it in for powell ? would it be anything other than the man's notice in the supreme court record that a woman raped sustains thereby no serious or lasting injury ?
BingoBoingo: phf: The content was basically remedial destructive social engineering
mircea_popescu: btw, asciilifeform any clue as to why he has it in for powell ? would it be anything other than the man's notice in the supreme court record that a woman raped sustains thereby no serious or lasting injury ?
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 16:37:49; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417383 << the real boojum is, shiva is EXACTLY the kind of scenario which produces ~atrocious~ lisps
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417563 << right, good point. what other commands aren't candidates for porting?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'll give this some more though today as I take my turn at the homestead clearing debris
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the power of this scheme, such as it is, is reductionism. specifically : map a large number of idiocies on the same (historical) term for similar idiocies. it is a dangerous gamble.
mircea_popescu: "Under the Republic an almost unlimited frankness in public utterances was tolerated and a considerable confusion of the mind, unfeigned and unabashed, was bared to everyone's inspection. Under the Dictatorship only one idea of political and philosophical relevance could be safely expressed. As a result, public utterances became uniform and, in the same proportion, insincere." heh. said of every republic ever.
mircea_popescu: phf ithought we were disucssing the cl vs scheme thing ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i mean specific transforms. "minority groups" to be rendered "aryans". etc. would require some time spent with the fishwraps i guess.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo might actually be a good idea for qntra to establish a standard procedure to do this. << There already is. Tack a paragraph on top of it explaining its deviance from sanity and wrap the document as plaintext in block quotes
mircea_popescu: "The commission found evidence that city staffers had failed to enforce diversity and had unfairly blamed aryan-owned firms for delays in projects."
asciilifeform: briefly revisiting john young's thing on cpunks, 'full sharing' does not ~always~ take place. the lizards don't give a flying fuck re: a dead snackbar.
mircea_popescu: in general the first requirement of thought is "use language derived from the objects not the subjects"
mircea_popescu: there is really little cause to discuss usg behaviours in any other terms, and there's very good cause to NOT discuss it in the terms usg itself comes up with.
mircea_popescu: yeah, and the result is actually not bad.
mircea_popescu: The California Supreme Court took up its first diversity case in almost seven years today, agreeing to decide the legality of San Francisco's program that grants preferences for aryan contractors. The court granted a hearing on appeals by two companies that say the city ordinance violates Proposition 209, the 1996 initiative that outlawed aryan preferences in public contracting, employment and education
asciilifeform: 'DoJ is required to cloak NSA-CIA capabilities by pretending full sharing does not take place. Redacted and excluded filings and decisions by DoJ, district, appeal, SCOTUS and FISA courts along with open and classified executive orders by and POTUS, and best of all, classified contracts, implements this. ... Going to court melodramatizes and sanitizes the bung-holing (like USG v. Apple) with in camera, withholding, stonewalli
asciilifeform: phf: i'd go for whichever ~weighs less~ (and not in the idiot scheme community metric of 'the language weighs less') but THE AGGREGATE
mircea_popescu: phf and do you take the further step and say "since all ambiguity is definitionally bad design, we prolly need to cut this knot at a higher level" ?
phf: re standartization, issue i'm personally running into is that we can drag tinyscheme in the direction of common lisp or stick to scheme conventions. both have downsides
asciilifeform: the tricky bit is that for a while you end up with 2 routines that do (nominally) same thing
phf: we don't have a way to serialize/deserialize yet, so the point is moot, but probably not for long
phf: ben_vulpes: get-difficulty is a straight rip of the c from bitcoinrpc.cpp << correct way to do that one is to write get-index-best that returns block-index structure that you can get bits value from, and then have get-difficulty do all the equivalent calculations in scheme, bitshifting and all
mircea_popescu: or fine - should you protest virtue is cheap for the purpled - shakespeare, idem. and that man had absolutely no virtue.
asciilifeform: naturally not on all. only the psychiatrically-inspired ones.
mircea_popescu: (unrelatedly - i've re-read the arabic old texts. the previous time i did this they ended up in the fire. somehow, the shit's grown EVEN MORE offensive over the years. scarcely can explain this wonder - the people involved have been dead for a thousand years.)
mircea_popescu: lest you hear evil things of sin and decide to throw all this crap in the septic tank where it belongs.
mircea_popescu: but in any case - do not talk to the ones that don't have the official allakhu-snackbar brand,
mircea_popescu: "172 Rule: Men are allowed to speak to non-Mahram women as long as the following two conditions are met: It is not with the intention of lust. "
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform allow me to quote from the prophet moar!
mircea_popescu: islam is not specifically oppressive of women. it is merely opressive of INDIVIDUAL women enough so that the men may be persuaded to swallow socialism.
asciilifeform: and yes, totalitarian state consists of implementing in the flesh, precisely this.
mircea_popescu: Do you not see that Allah knows whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth? Nowhere is there a secret counsel between three persons but He is the fourth of them, nor (between) five but He is the sixth of them, nor less than that nor more but He is with them where ever they are; then He will inform them of what they did on the day of resurrection: surely Allah is Aware of all things.
mircea_popescu: look at that, allah is not welcome in the logs!
asciilifeform: 'there is not to be a physical space where you feel safe speaking' is the ultimate objective of all sov-style systems.
asciilifeform: 'there is to be a Party member in every lift.'
asciilifeform: in fact, a good chunk of what i remember as 'moldbuggery' appears to be a synthesis that exists nowhere outside of my own head (and occasionally the logz)
mircea_popescu: now im stuck reading another mile long pile of yarvinesque nonsense ? ;/
asciilifeform: i'm not convinced that this is the correct link.
mircea_popescu: but... he speaks of minorities. minorities are not women. what's the logic ?
mircea_popescu: i don't see how this sawed off grenade made for the purpose of convincing kids not to make or use grenades you linked has anything at all to do with the bomb above, tbh.
asciilifeform doesn't buy frozen concentrates, does not distinguish the grades
asciilifeform: the 'party member in every lift'.
mircea_popescu: anyway. to continue the thought - the usg and its ephemera are deeply and fundamentally antifeminist. they hate women as individuals and aim to exploit them as a mass. this is EXACTLY the situation of black people in the antebellum south : hated as individuals, exploited as a group.
mircea_popescu: might be his best article then.
asciilifeform: mr mold described it in precisely these terms.
mircea_popescu: for the same reason - army could have overthrown soviets, tech can overthrow soviets etc.
mircea_popescu: much like the 1st soviets would have said "have more politruk/comissars in the army", the 2nd soviets want more women, unspecified, in tech.
mircea_popescu: it is "have more women". the statistical entity.
mircea_popescu: note that it is not said "have more WOMAN, as in, have more of the romanian chick at mit who wrote the ai guy's eulogy"
mircea_popescu: women, not in the sense of individuals but in the sense of the mass monster they constitute in aggregate, are always and everywhere in favour of the state and the statu quo.
asciilifeform: let's have the canonical form ?
asciilifeform: i suppose i'm thick, then
mircea_popescu: which is why i put the question in asciilifeform , the is is actually thoroughly nailed down for this scope.
mircea_popescu: more generally, and for extensibility & standardization purposes, the canonical form :
mircea_popescu: they end up baking in untested because unknown assumptions.
mircea_popescu: this is the problem with forward-looking attempts at thought.
asciilifeform: ergo we learn that there was no wind.
mircea_popescu: "i do x because x produces y" is fundamentally THE forward-looking statement.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, try an actual reasoning (ie, from causes) rather than a faux-fiatesque monstrosity (as to purposes)
asciilifeform: folks who belonged at the plow.
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 15:11:22; mircea_popescu: i've been spending the ~week since the various selectatron discussions meditating on the problem. i do not believe javascript is rescuable. not withstanding all the effort derps put into it, javascript is fundamentally a broken idea that for this reason can never be useful.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417404 << it was made by shitpeople and thereby it could not have been anything but shit.
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 14:53:51; mircea_popescu: and speaking of "good things that ruin other good things", is it generally obvious to the esteemed b-a WHY the movement to "more women in tech", "more women in army", "more women in bla-bla" trends ? i thought it is, but then again maybe i'm the only one to whom it is.\
asciilifeform: and still an rather unsure that it was a good idea
asciilifeform: this is one of the reasons i sat on shiva for as long as i did
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 14:45:10; mircea_popescu: from what i hear lisp is "already standardized". i personally am not terribly persuaded by this claim, but will entertain it on a technical basis as the cases may come. who knows, maybe gabriel was right and it is.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417383 << the real boojum is, shiva is EXACTLY the kind of scenario which produces ~atrocious~ lisps
asciilifeform: minimal as specified in r5, AND ts does not fully implement r5 (largely in the interest of fits-in-head, but also original author's laziness)
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 14:44:32; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417192 <<< current shiva is two steps away from even ~beginning~ the process of standardization. people with lisp experience will supply common but ultimately inconsequential conventions (hyphens plox!), but in general speaking, shiva's usage and lisp's general lack of practical usage or utility means that our work here will actually standardize LISP ju
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417379 << now this is complicated. commonlisp is standardized (next to ada, ~the~ most standardized language - compliance is iron, and you can actually ~use~ it as per the standard) - BUT - massive, and unsuitable for inclusion in a larger proggy. scheme, on the other hand, is also well-standardized - r5rs (ignore r6 and after, the weevils got to it) BUT the language is unusably
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 14:37:30; mircea_popescu: Оборонно-массовая и патриотическая работа, ie what the whores (see То знай: за честь должна считать Знакомство юнкерского хуя!) and their litter does.
mircea_popescu: once red hat can not also pay, for the printing press was smashed, then yes. not before.
mircea_popescu: if this thing is constructed on that process, we've therefore got nothing.
asciilifeform: and i certainly see the point of view.
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 07:43:07; ben_vulpes: i recommend a thorough course of benjies, piped straight through the developer funnel.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417227 << i think mircea_popescu would rather chew off his own fingers than pay programmers for whatever.
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 08:31:50; punkman: "the release of the final report of a lengthy public inquiry into Mr. Litvinenko’s death."
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417284 << wake me up when there is a 'lengthy public inquiry' into michael hastings. or slobo milosevich. or, ......
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 15:31:38; mircea_popescu: oh, and something for muscovites an' aspiring muscovites in the audience : http://36.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mc97rkXYRr1rfxsvfo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: admire the cast iron heating element, and all the stale memes. my adolescence screaming from the dusts of time!
mircea_popescu: oh, and something for muscovites an' aspiring muscovites in the audience : http://36.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mc97rkXYRr1rfxsvfo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: roughly speaking the equivalent of a man who married a street whore, had a daughter with her somehow, and now that the girl's of age being almost 11and a half he is very fond of demonstrating to random passerbys in the street just how unlike her mother the youngun is, through the age old process of stuffing bills in her various articles of clothing as "see, she doesn't even take the stocks off!"
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 09:13:37; ben_vulpes: what i appear to have forgotten since the last time i looked into this pit of snakes is that it calls all of the rpc functions in turn to construct the help list.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417306 << i always thought that's one of the better gems of lolcomedy in that thing. you see, it's so fucking abstract, it calls the things to get the list of messages, hurr durr. no magic strings here, we just do calls!!11
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417292 << resulted in "o, what are you, some sort of lunatic discussing the matter ? THERE IS AN ACTIVE INQUIRY GOING" for a fucking decade.
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 08:46:40; punkman: http://www.brainsturbator.com/posts/409/the-human-brain-is-a-piece-of-shit
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 08:22:54; punkman: mircea_popescu: .. supercute de-windows-ization : http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-02-27.log.html#t23:38:19 << I like the command line sure, but I find editing text without a mouse a hassle, same for trying to remember 1000 keyboard shortcuts for each of 100 apps, or having to spend 10 minutes to figure out obscure cli options to use something once.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417268 << i'm not proposing the guy is right or wrong re editor to use, mind. still, culture shock.
mircea_popescu: roughly speaking the equivalnt of a shelf of make-up in the workshop or "i wanna watch tv on my computor" sorta things. get a husband / get a tv set if that's what you're trying to do and get out of everyone's way.
mircea_popescu: i've been spending the ~week since the various selectatron discussions meditating on the problem. i do not believe javascript is rescuable. not withstanding all the effort derps put into it, javascript is fundamentally a broken idea that for this reason can never be useful.
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 07:50:03; phf: signers is misguided, shows everyone participating in the press
mircea_popescu: and speaking of "good things that ruin other good things", is it generally obvious to the esteemed b-a WHY the movement to "more women in tech", "more women in army", "more women in bla-bla" trends ? i thought it is, but then again maybe i'm the only one to whom it is.\
mircea_popescu: d if it WERE addressable it'd just be shittier text. much like the uniform for a whore, some good things ruin other good things.
mircea_popescu: you may think that "hey, so you just found your solution, have the machine put a ¶ or a § before each paragraph and an anchor on it", but no. flat text is fundamentally different from ADRESSABLE text in general, the "paragraph-addressable" is a least-offensive kludge. and yes trilema is written deliberately, and constantly, with a view to breaking addressability from outside. because that's the sort of text it is, an
mircea_popescu: fortunately btcbase does not actually need it as much as flat text. (there's a difference between text that's line-addressable and text that's paragraph-addressable.)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417213 << i think we'll have to give up the mp's select thing. it apparently doesn't work well enough, for reasons i/nobody can be bothered to debug, and besides, new ones will prolly constantly pop up.
mircea_popescu: from what i hear lisp is "already standardized". i personally am not terribly persuaded by this claim, but will entertain it on a technical basis as the cases may come. who knows, maybe gabriel was right and it is.
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 07:13:15; phf: i don't imagine it matters at the moment, can always shuffle things
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417192 <<< current shiva is two steps away from even ~beginning~ the process of standardization. people with lisp experience will supply common but ultimately inconsequential conventions (hyphens plox!), but in general speaking, shiva's usage and lisp's general lack of practical usage or utility means that our work here will actually standardize LISP just as much as bitco
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 05:45:17; asciilifeform: it is to be amputated ~whole~. no motherfucking stumps.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417175 << i support this. the problem with the "easier" approach of "we don't cut whole parts but arbitrary fragments" is that now you not only baked in the fragmentator, which becomes one of your dependencies, but also have to keep track of arbitrary fragments, which are numerous (this is why replacing one file at a time, while dubious, is at least not involving MORE mov
mircea_popescu: Оборонно-массовая и патриотическая работа, ie what the whores (see То знай: за честь должна считать Знакомство юнкерского хуя!) and their litter does.
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 04:57:39; assbot: Mizzou Stream Team to hold outdoor clean-up events at local waterways – The Maneater ... ( http://bit.ly/1oGNd64 )
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417147 <<< this is so much like the "munca patriotica" bs you wouldn't believe.
ben_vulpes: !up TheRealJohnGalt are we through the netsplit and can i yell at you about your flapping connection yet?
ben_vulpes: sing songs from mary poppins while reading gpg-grams to defeat the high-fidelity microphones!
punkman: ben_vulpes: second part isn't needed, sasl happens before the client can join anything
ben_vulpes: AaronvanW: you want "sasl", and to instruct whatever client you're using to not join channels until it's done swizzling the sasl
ben_vulpes: assigns nLP equivalent to nGPL and throws it down the chute?
ben_vulpes: punkman: yeah, a bool there doesn't make sense because it's used as a number of processors.
punkman: notice the single =
ben_vulpes: get-difficulty is a straight rip of the c from bitcoinrpc.cpp
ben_vulpes: a casual browsing of the source suggests to me that the processor limiting could be excised. thoughts?
ben_vulpes: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp#0266 << what does it mean for `nLimitProcessors = nGenProcLimit` to be passed as the argument to WriteSetting? an implicit test returning a boolean doesn't make much sense to me as a value for nLimitProcessors
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punkman: http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/feb/26/mercedes-benz-robots-people-assembly-lines
ben_vulpes: what i appear to have forgotten since the last time i looked into this pit of snakes is that it calls all of the rpc functions in turn to construct the help list.
ben_vulpes: and yes, yes. the whole rpc wart must be frozen with nitrogen and smashed into a zillion pieces.
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punkman: nope, the old case
ben_vulpes: punkman: wasn't that forever ago? or is there a new case
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punkman: http://observer.com/2016/01/the-return-of-wetwork-kgb-goons-radiated-a-former-associate-in-london/
assbot: Logged on 27-02-2016 16:58:25; asciilifeform: either that or i finally got fed the polonium.
phf: ben_vulpes: you can now control the universe
punkman: mircea_popescu: .. supercute de-windows-ization : http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-02-27.log.html#t23:38:19 << I like the command line sure, but I find editing text without a mouse a hassle, same for trying to remember 1000 keyboard shortcuts for each of 100 apps, or having to spend 10 minutes to figure out obscure cli options to use something once.
phf: did you pass the ./bitcoind a -swank argument?
phf: but line numbers better match the vpatch lines, that requires patching the vpatch parser, so i'm just going to sleep instead :)
punkman: phf, maybe better to do line numbers and use line ranges in the link anchor
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punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CcQqFk1XIAAJzhr.jpg:large "Pope Francis meets Instagram CEO at the Vatican to discuss "power of images.""
phf: signers is misguided, shows everyone participating in the press
ben_vulpes: ^^ natively on the mac
ben_vulpes: you people seem to think that i actually handle the rods myself
ben_vulpes: you'll probably want to re-grease the decompilator with some euros while we're at it, that never hurts and can frequently improve end-user experience
ben_vulpes: i recommend a thorough course of benjies, piped straight through the developer funnel.
phf: maybe a skilled fullstack developer could fix the selection widget for us
phf: after application, run with -swank in addition to all the other shiva args, and connecting to the shiva port with slime-connect should work mircles
phf: yeah no reason why it wouldn't work from there..
phf: i don't imagine it matters at the moment, can always shuffle things
ben_vulpes: phf, asciilifeform: where is an appropriate place for custom trb scheme, and what mechanism should load it? just appending to the bottom of init.scm feels wrong.
ben_vulpes: phf: and in the c function declarations?
asciilifeform: it is to be amputated ~whole~. no motherfucking stumps.
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 02:14:54; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what's the thinking behind using IMPLEMENT_RANDOMIZE_STACK in shiva.cpp?
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 02:49:59; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform (phf, adlai, mod6_, mod6): okay this is grand and i can see several rpc commands trivially slain in this vein, and others with application of work. but but but! would someone send me a map for running /scheme/ code from within satoshis abortion?
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 03:15:29; BingoBoingo: From Google Transgrish: "Due to hardware accelerators supporting GOST 28147-89, processors "Baikal-T1" have certified compatibility with software and hardware encryption tools. At present the work as part of AWS "Meadowsweet terminal" preparing several Russian means of information protection. The company develops InfoTeKS for "Tavolgi" customized solution based on the constructor protected ViPNet networ
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417106 << BingoBoingo you can buy the usg version of this idocy right now. eager ?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417141 << i actually wrote it for entirely other reason but only made it public because mircea_popescu suggested curing the rpc retardation
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phf: i might even produce some instructions for a heathen build using brew/clang/cmake
phf: i'm going to have some kefir and decompress from the day
ben_vulpes: i'm off to waft the child through hipstergenic clouds of pot smoke
ben_vulpes: anyways, rather neet. looking forward to shortening my loop up.
phf: well, after my eulora travails i can trivially build anything on mac os x with homebrew (thanks mp!), in this case there's not even a need to fuck around since b-a approved versions of dependencies have brew formulas for them
phf: but then i also tend to overthink things, for all i know there's a perfectly trivial solution to all things
phf: also the whole thing is not thread safe...
BingoBoingo: ration of VPN and PKI services. The company CRYPTO-PRO adapts crypto CryptoPro SSP, are widely used, in particular, for the authorization of electronic signatures in the documents. Adaptation also tested cryptographic USB-tokens Rutoken S and Rutoken electronic signature for secure two-factor authentication in computer systems and storage of key information."
BingoBoingo: From Google Transgrish: "Due to hardware accelerators supporting GOST 28147-89, processors "Baikal-T1" have certified compatibility with software and hardware encryption tools. At present the work as part of AWS "Meadowsweet terminal" preparing several Russian means of information protection. The company develops InfoTeKS for "Tavolgi" customized solution based on the constructor protected ViPNet network, designed for the safe ope
phf: ben_vulpes: so the way thing works right now, is that when you connect a new instance of scheme runtime is created, which is then fed init.scm and connected to the network stream fd. right now the pattern that we have is from inside a running instance you can call out into trb and make it do things
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ben_vulpes: phf: mebbe rewrite the syncing loop?
ben_vulpes afk for a bit, if not the eve
ben_vulpes: phf: i don't quite know yet. i'm just barely a code-technician, creativity and imagination's another 5-7 years off for me.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform (phf, adlai, mod6_, mod6): okay this is grand and i can see several rpc commands trivially slain in this vein, and others with application of work. but but but! would someone send me a map for running /scheme/ code from within satoshis abortion?
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2016/02/2015-irs-breach-estimate-revised-upwards-to-720000-records/ << Pls to confirm I used the correct Bre(a/e)ch
ben_vulpes: i thought we considered that glass left on the floor for barefoot burglars
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what's the thinking behind using IMPLEMENT_RANDOMIZE_STACK in shiva.cpp?
mircea_popescu: lol. may be a long while, eulora took the crown for "most broken republican codebase" sometime this year i think
mircea_popescu: guy's actually pretty good, found/fixed small cracks in the wiki etc
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Seriously though it is far more refreshing than YAJE, Yet Another Jackoffscript Evangelist
ben_vulpes: quite the netsplit.
phf: knuth actually made a version with working crosslinks and table of contents and such, but those cost as much as the printed version and are "personalized". i take it nobody bothered getting rid of watermark and publishing it, or i can't find a copy anyway
mircea_popescu: and in other "here's my face" news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/8e7e56c4b6c0334a54523406120211ed/tumblr_mjie6rz8Se1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg
asciilifeform: it was a forced misery because gnudiff can't rename motherfucking files.
asciilifeform: i will explain, hopefully for the last time,
ben_vulpes: the very same. <<
ben_vulpes: was i not to interpret "rebake using the correct v-tron" as "supercedes previous missive"?
ben_vulpes: thank you for the very explicit directions, asciilifeform .
asciilifeform: 4) http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20160131/asciilifeform_shiva_fix_flag_bug.vpatch?sha1=8e9f57bf90fc32f4c3bdd88adfb449edd3b93e3c
asciilifeform: 3 ) http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20160128/asciilifeform_shiva_part_2_of_2.vpatch?sha1=abc9c21e3c86e7a540b20e49a6ebc86017758e48
asciilifeform: 2) http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20160128/asciilifeform_shiva_part_1_of_2.vpatch?sha1=8d22942ffc97296845fad81c3a78acfdf54af23a
ben_vulpes: so to recap: tinyscheme_genesis, tinyscheme_snip, repl_fix, and then flag_bug_fix?
assbot: Logged on 21-02-2016 00:38:02; asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000201.html << this and this only.
assbot: Logged on 21-02-2016 00:37:21; phf: i can't figure out which patches are actually shiva patches. there's "(EXPERIMENTAL) Introducing: Shiva." and then sometime after there's "Tinyscheme Genesis, Cleanup, and Fixes, CORRECTED; -and- Shiva Pedigree Bridge."
ben_vulpes: so i should be able to leave the tinyscheme dir as tinyscheme? or am i screwing up royally in that my patch applications don't result in a shiva dir?
asciilifeform: normally you ought to use the shiva i posted and its bugfix.
asciilifeform: (there is no actual reason to do this more than once per lifetime)
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-02-2016#1416966 << only if you really wantvto build from the pedigree bridge
ben_vulpes: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000201.html << press genesis_fixed, tinyscheme_snip, repl_fix, rename tinyscheme to shiva, recompile yes? asciilifeform phf ^^
BingoBoingo: Also why not swap the car batteries for Chicom FeNi battery bank while one can still be had
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> this is for the first time in like a decade i ever remotely felt like visiting that place. << All Cascadians coalesce to Jewish culture
ben_vulpes: the linked dome has an astonishingly low part number, and readily available feedstock.
ben_vulpes: shortwave for the blockchain, solar panels for time-arbitraged electricity, hole of car batteries for storage
ben_vulpes: but yes, i would rather live in bootstrapped country squalor in plastic domes than most us cities.