asciilifeform: so - usg can build, if pressed, machines. ~whereas~ existing coinbases they can only reallocate, save a ecdsa break, by knocking people over the head. which is loud and somewhat costly.
mircea_popescu: altho they sold it to some contractor iirc ? whatevs.
mircea_popescu: and of course the nsa foundry etc.
mircea_popescu: myeah, there is that.
asciilifeform: nope, the latter - fab.
asciilifeform: they actually fab in usa.
mircea_popescu: the usg does not have si fabs.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform usg currently steals to sell. perhaps. this does not reduce their capacity to steal in the future. if in the future they steal to hoard, or if the stuff they "sold" was just facade, through preserving coinbases we are baking in not just the original satoshi, but also an evil satoshi.
assbot: Logged on 16-03-2016 12:09:47; thestringpuller: this kills SPV mining tho, which is good thing.
mircea_popescu: im sorry, "detract from their capacity of stealing" is what i meant.
mircea_popescu: but this does not detract from their capacity of selling.
asciilifeform: it depends on who the reader sees as musting die, no?
mircea_popescu: after all, do you know how much usg stole so far ? do they have more than satoshi yet ? if not yet, when ?
mircea_popescu: in the pow1 = sha(header+nonce) and pow2 = sha(digest+nonce), the first sha can even stay what it is now.
asciilifeform: for their crimes.
asciilifeform: i thought we were bugspraying the old gear people.
mircea_popescu: not in the faux sense of "soft" used before.
mircea_popescu: ie, you still need the old gear + new gear.
mircea_popescu: see, the beauty of this is that it is a TRUE soft fork.
mircea_popescu: the valuable idea there is, imo, that you have to keep the same nonce to calculate both sha values. which ACTUALLY does work, or seems to me to work, to do what the article proposes
mircea_popescu: there was no sha(sha( contemplated
asciilifeform: yes but it doesn't need the idiot chaining
asciilifeform: and properly stretches to fit the while thing
mircea_popescu: and obviously, gotta be the same nonce.
mircea_popescu: what i read there was, have TWO hashes : sha(header+nonce) and sha(digest+nonce)
assbot: The necessary prerequisite for any change to the Bitcoin protocol on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1UyRBjA )
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2016/the-necessary-prerequisite-for-any-change-to-the-bitcoin-protocol/#comment-116408
asciilifeform: (last night for example i formally turned down the 'encouragement' to try out for 'top secret' and may very well be sacked eventually because of it)
mircea_popescu: i think the record well reflects this.
asciilifeform: if i wanted to wear brown all i gotta do is, understand, cross the street
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my reaction now is same as then, i am willing to take part in 1,000,001 variants but not in capitulation to the motherfuckng nazis
mircea_popescu: (and generally i dunno why this shortcircuit between facts and judgement became fashionable here, seems much too close to the habits of the "independent" demographic for comfort. trust me, if i want to say x i will say it in those exact words, as i have without exception to date. saying i don't know x means i do not know. and similarly, here, and so on. i totally can speak for myself, say what i mean etc.)
mircea_popescu: i'm not pushing it either this way or that, just want to get all the things on table if possibru.
asciilifeform: the disadvantages - legion.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the advantage is that we become distinguishable from the usual idiot attempts at self-enrichment.
mircea_popescu: yes, schelling point to continue, yes with the same idiots/geniuses as before, and thus at a lower adoption interest.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform keeping old coinbases has the advantage and the disadvantage of keeping old coinbases.
assbot: Logged on 16-03-2016 12:01:30; *: adlai is talking about "hash bits of old blocks into the coinbase txn"
mircea_popescu: but the article was ?
adlai: aha, here's the misunderstanding. my proposal was not a pow switch.
asciilifeform: again how the fuck can pow switch be 'soft' in any sense ?!
mircea_popescu: if, then.
mircea_popescu: adlai you go about deductively showing your proposal from the shared basis.
adlai: well what do i go on about? ultimately the whole hard/soft thing is a terrible terminology, verging on false dichotomy.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno, the crowning of five years of complete neglect of the relay network ?
adlai: asciilifeform: it's an idea because it means that the "#b-a fork" isn't a hard-fork that can fail.
mircea_popescu: can't make this sorta judgements on the basis of fucking copywriting.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller might just be boilerplate. replace "to the public" with "on god's own earth".
adlai: asciilifeform: we're talking about the same article. read what i just said, it is about that idea.
thestringpuller: i like how bitcoin mining manufacturers don't even shy away about it: "this is the most powerful miner available to ~the public~" what miners are available to the private?
assbot: The necessary prerequisite for any change to the Bitcoin protocol on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1UyPaxv )
asciilifeform: adlai: http://trilema.com/2016/the-necessary-prerequisite-for-any-change-to-the-bitcoin-protocol
adlai: which is possible to launch as a miner-only fork, which nodes can choose to enforce, but don't have to; and then at some later date, all nodes enforce it, and miners know they must keep enforcing it, too.
adlai is talking about "hash bits of old blocks into the coinbase txn"
adlai: ie, only miners ~must~ enforce it; once nodes also do, it hardens, and then miners can't choose to reverse the previously-soft fork.
mircea_popescu: i dunno wtf i shoulda done different so this happened a week ago rather than now.
asciilifeform: the only thing i would change is to retain old capital distribution, then keccak has a chance at continuing old schellingpoint.
adlai: ok, i also like that idea, although as you said yourself, it's not fully baked yet. i also like that it can be initially opt-in, with an ultimatum that it gets 'hardened' by some date, if it hasn't 'softened' by then.
mircea_popescu: adlai pretty sure the one you said.
thestringpuller: what about the 5% needed to veto softforks?
mircea_popescu: 2) IF miners come out with their own fork, what do we do ?
mircea_popescu: so again : 1) ~IF~ summer/july becomes the summer of forks, what do we do ?
adlai: asciilifeform: "port" in the loose sense of the word. let's rephrase that as "some poor code monkey should write a keccak vpatch for trb, but nobody should ever have to use it"
mircea_popescu: ennumerate the fucking states and test!
mircea_popescu: just like we [at least theoretically/aspirationally] write code
mircea_popescu: the entire thing was, we should take stock of the situation, and make some judgements and plan some plans in a complete and responsible manner.
mircea_popescu: there's a difference between "i know x" and "i don't know x".
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: that was the implication? unless i'm thick
adlai: asciilifeform: partially, although the market price of forkchains makes consensus crystal clear - but only in retrospect.
kakobrekla: asciilifeform apparently im accused for working for the dark side now, somehow ?
asciilifeform: adlai: do you not see the problem of having 'konsensoooos' in he mix at all ?
mircea_popescu: IF they do, WHAT DO WE DO.
mircea_popescu: adlai they believe the rewaerd havling will kill them, which it well might ; and they see the opportunity with all the core/bitcoin-xt/blabla. will they take it ?
adlai does not control economic consensus, nor the miners
adlai: fwiw, i sincerely doubt miners would "let core devs decide" if they believed "economic consensus" were against the devs; but this leaves open the problem of convincing them of this.
thestringpuller just walked into the x-files
adlai: asciilifeform: i can't find this article. do you mean the "necessary prerequisite" one?
mircea_popescu: HOWEVER we didn't, because hey, maybe they do somethign good
mircea_popescu: should have fucking killed those derps back when they were nobody and losing bitbet bets,
mircea_popescu: adlai wouldja think for a moment ? if miners fork tomorrow, pre-miner-fork trb will not be defensible. because bitfury (you know, kakobrekla's friends) have access to vc capital, and will bridge the gap between us printing press and chinese mining.
adlai: other than "no fork"?
mircea_popescu: THENNNNNNN we will have no fucking good choices to make.
asciilifeform: this was re the 'strategy' thread, no?
adlai: mircea_popescu: you did say we may have to choose the lesser of two evils
mircea_popescu: you misread so amply it boggles the mind.
asciilifeform: or introduction of material from either into a future trb
asciilifeform: blew my mind that any such thing was on the table
assbot: Logged on 16-03-2016 10:59:58; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-03-2016#1433627 << nothing you said in the lengthy diatribe following had anything at all to see with the topic proposed!
thestringpuller: why open a nice school in the ghetto, if it'll just get defaced two weeks later?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: i guess let them live in ignorance as long as said ignorance doesn't interfere with the adults?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
thestringpuller: ;;later tell asciilifeform Finally experienced the stuck node thing. Interesting behavior. Wouldn't even accept the "stop" command. Had to kill -9 it.
adlai: well if i ever meet the guy again, i'll be sure to tell him mircea_popescu thanks him for not buying his divestment.
adlai: indeed the local rabble love to shout, "BITCOIN ZE BARZEL"
adlai: ah, so bitcoin is just another mettle, like gold, iron, greek bronze, and mental fortitude?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller hey, life is good, whadda ya want. partay!
mircea_popescu: adlai i don't see the problem with this objection ? "they are. that's what i'm telling you. you don't use greek bronze weights, do you ?"
thestringpuller: reminds me of conversation I had with CVS cashier. dude was fresh out of high school and I began explaining how banks worked cause I was furious the ATM fees were 5 bucks in that store. anyhow after 5 minutes of confusion cause kid didn't pay attention in school states, "I ain't trynna think that hard man. I'm done with school."
adlai: but thank you for the blanket permission :P
mircea_popescu: what you shouldn't do is up known idiots, but few resist the temptation.
mircea_popescu: adlai you can just up unknowns, they'll resolve it soon enough.
adlai: massiro: cool wall! sorry about the impoliteness.
adlai: thestringpuller: main problem these days is too much bitcoin, they've printed 15 million already and show no signs of stopping
thestringpuller: severe lack of education, these days. perhaps not enough beating. or enough starving for dropouts.
mircea_popescu: intelligence is an adaptive behaviour ; which is why anyone with a clue would rather spend the time chatting up a random whore or street urchin than some jewish princess or "young exec".
mircea_popescu: well... computers of the future will be better, right ?
thestringpuller: sometimes I wonder if we went down another path where the educational toys actually make the next generation more stupid. i always thought it interesting that "children of the future will be smarter"
thestringpuller: you ever read mimsy and the borogoves? short sci-fi story by Lewis Padgett (a pseudonym for CL Moore and some other person that wrote as a duo)
mircea_popescu: kinda how decay goes : stuff is the butt of jokes and "how stupid can these stupid people be", then next decade - sop.
thestringpuller: for instance the coffee table book about coffee tables that can turn into a coffee table
thestringpuller: admittedly Kramer is pretty much a modern VC wet dream. some of the stuff he sells that's "successful" is just...
thestringpuller: "Meanwhile, Kramer buys a police scanner and decides to help at the New York City Fire Department. When they receive a call about the fire at Leapin' Larry's, Kramer accidentally knocks out the fire engine driver, forcing him to take the wheel, realizing his lifelong dream. However, he is unable to steer correctly and crashes the fire engine, allowing the fire to spread further."
thestringpuller: the secret code?
mircea_popescu: this entire "look what prb does" is so much cosmo kramer from kramerica industries fixing the fire dept. what was that episode
thestringpuller: perhaps the toys should change. much more useful to work on toys that signal real life than say plastic thing on wheels.
mircea_popescu: i mean yes, it's true that most of the firemen are kids that played with fire trucks. it is however quite pointedly not true that most of the equipment down at the fire station is toy fire trucks brought in by conscientious neighbourhood kids.
mircea_popescu: in fact, the difference between THAT approach and what actually happens is exactly the difference between infantile and adult life.
mircea_popescu: might as well say "it's because pogos", which would be equally flattering just in a different direction and otherwise equally afield.
mircea_popescu: yes, various derps on poorly connected boxes still play with it. this is about as relevant to the discussion as considering what machines aspiring webcomic designers use when discussing pixar or something.
mircea_popescu: massiro it's an interesting theory, apart from the fact that nobody uses core in production, or has for many years now.
mircea_popescu: which, ungenerously enough, seems just a step away from the breakdown specific to shitholes like argentina, where people altogether don't even comprehend words are in any sense meaningful, above and beyond the chirping captive populations of chickens do to reassure each other.
mircea_popescu: ow english speaker even realises there's a disconnect between what the words mean and what his actions do.
assbot: Logged on 16-03-2016 04:25:15; phf: it's very odd because guy completely discredits american position in the first few chapters, yet for the rest of the books it's noble american victories vs surprisingly successful vc tactics
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-03-2016#1433659 << i dunno why you think this odd. as far as my experience goes, 100% of english language literature (long before the days orwell quit and his naive, square jawed colonial subjects took over the pretense of empire) is exactly this "here are our assumptions, which clearly paint us as utterly and hopelessly stupid, let's lampshade it and carry on". i don't think by n
assbot: Logged on 16-03-2016 04:16:51; phf: i was about 50% into the logs that i missed, when i switched back to reading "the tunnels of cu chi" (mega book), so not sure if the gentoo recipe was posted
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-03-2016#1433649 << for my own curiosity and the calibration of public judgement, how many lines, how many hours ? or something ?
assbot: Logged on 16-03-2016 04:15:31; phf: asciilifeform: hey, was there anything else posted re gentoo de-poetering besides the initial chicken?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-03-2016#1433648 << not afaik. if you don't count various people (including alf most recently) on various occasions throwing their hands up in disgust at the dysfunctional pos.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-03-2016#1433627 << nothing you said in the lengthy diatribe following had anything at all to see with the topic proposed!
massiro: I have written a (small) wall of text at http://dpaste.com/22W2SCE, regarding the causes of the payout problem.
massiro: I think it has something to do with the release of Core-0.12 (23rd February 2016).
massiro: I'm sad to hear the Jeb Bush payout accident...
assbot: Logged on 05-01-2016 05:55:53; massiro: The above site says the fee is 0.001 BTC so I think it is more than enough. Is this related to low/high S value problem?
massiro: I wanted to share info about the payout problem with Jeb-Bush-Nomination.
adlai: what's the custom for voicing freenode webchat nobodies? (at least replying with "who may you be" gets them to shut up.)
assbot: Logged on 15-03-2016 23:10:27; mircea_popescu: o i forgot the jews, did i. THREE KINDS.
adlai fantasizes that his 'jewish wit' was sharp enough to bridge the silicon sarchasm
gribble: The operation succeeded.
phf: it's very odd because guy completely discredits american position in the first few chapters, yet for the rest of the books it's noble american victories vs surprisingly successful vc tactics
phf: it has a very pro-american/anti-communist bias (and there's a very surprising, complete lack of any SU mentions), but full of fascinating stories of vc tunnel based warfare
assbot: Amazon.com: The Tunnels of Cu Chi: A Harrowing Account of America's Tunnel Rats in the Underground Battlefields of Vietnam (9780891418696): Tom Mangold: Books ... ( http://bit.ly/1pKstuP )
phf: i was about 50% into the logs that i missed, when i switched back to reading "the tunnels of cu chi" (mega book), so not sure if the gentoo recipe was posted
phf: asciilifeform: hey, was there anything else posted re gentoo de-poetering besides the initial chicken?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu have a mindphuck - turns out google admits to having jacked up the cpu core count after the single solitary lee sedol win.
asciilifeform: on the box.
asciilifeform: and even when you install own os, remember that there is no rng.
assbot: Logged on 15-03-2016 23:05:37; BingoBoingo: I suspect it will have to graduate from a pogo to an "edgerouter lite" sometime in the next few months.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-03-2016#1433530 << don't use the vendor's os. for anything. unless whole thing is a gag gift to an enemy.
assbot: Logged on 16-03-2016 02:53:58; phf: trinque: it's not about "not doing things", pressing tinyscheme genesis is just not the right way to get shiva
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-03-2016#1433600 << go ahead and plug the mains cord into your arse if you want. but then complain to somebody else, not to me, when the bulb doesn't light.
assbot: Logged on 21-02-2016 00:38:10; asciilifeform: please throw out the old crud.
assbot: Logged on 16-03-2016 01:55:56; mircea_popescu: trinque iirc the bitcoin-derived one had two parts named 1 and 2 which you both need
adlai: mircea_popescu: i found it and submitted a second comment, but both seem to have caught in the lo-pass
assbot: Logged on 17-02-2016 12:54:09; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2016#1408030 << it had own genesis to establish pedigree with the historic tinyscheme. but shiva is a patch that bridges it into the trb tree. and yes i rebased it, it works with the current trb.
phf: trinque: it's not about "not doing things", pressing tinyscheme genesis is just not the right way to get shiva
trinque: or rather, must you bring this leak in your head into everything?
trinque: asciilifeform: you may be the most impossible man I've ever encountered.
adlai wonders about his own predicament; people keep telling him to blog about it, but, as the latin teacher said when asked why he gave up correcting people's mispronounciation of his name: "I hate people"
trinque: nope, this seems to have to do with press order; the dynload.h in question in the second dpaste is present in the tinyscheme genesis
mircea_popescu: trinque iirc the bitcoin-derived one had two parts named 1 and 2 which you both need
trinque has discovered that it is not - apparently - throwing them in the patches dir, seals in seals, and pulling the trigger
assbot: The necessary prerequisite for any change to the Bitcoin protocol on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1XtSE3K )
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2016/the-necessary-prerequisite-for-any-change-to-the-bitcoin-protocol/#footnote_7_64828
assbot: Logged on 15-03-2016 23:43:35; mircea_popescu: perhaps now is a good time to bring up http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-03-2016#1428463 for another pass through ?
assbot: Logged on 15-03-2016 23:43:35; mircea_popescu: perhaps now is a good time to bring up http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-03-2016#1428463 for another pass through ?
assbot: Logged on 10-03-2016 10:43:46; mircea_popescu: in any case we should prolly have a strategy discussion here. paging mod6 asciilifeform jurov trinque phf an' the other interested parties.
mircea_popescu: perhaps now is a good time to bring up http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-03-2016#1428463 for another pass through ?
mircea_popescu: the credits certainly look like a 70s sexploitation thing ; music idem.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the first ten-fifteen minutes are not bad, for the sheer deluge of omnisexual crazy.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi who told the dumbass that sort of behaviour is independent or whatever the fuck she thinks it is.
mircea_popescu just watched the velocity of gary, holy shit she has no problems regular whippings wouldn't have fixed long ago.
mircea_popescu: i saw it in frieda and i thought it's prolly the role, right ?
mircea_popescu: in other news, holy shit selma hayek's an obnoxious, annoying bitch.
mircea_popescu: those are heretics even according to the orthodox (which literally says - TRUE FAITH. in the name!)
mircea_popescu: o i forgot the jews, did i. THREE KINDS.
mircea_popescu: it's only THEM that don't get along, it's not about him.
mircea_popescu: i'm kinda waiting for the lulzy moment when "the community" decides he's you know, religious nut bla bla, then it's revealed he hangs out just fine with flaming iconoclasts such as yours truly, famous stake-in-butt practitioners like alf, sunni muftis like yourself, cascadians and what other scandalous outrages there be in this here menagerie
BingoBoingo: I suspect it will have to graduate from a pogo to an "edgerouter lite" sometime in the next few months.
mircea_popescu: "Yea so you are an idiot. Theres no need to comment and make these shitty articles. Who are you to determine what false churches are? Religion is something an Indevidul believes in. It is what the said person puts their faith and trust in. I just think you should read up and do your research before posting nonsense. Thanks."
phf: soviet joke. americans purchase a sukhoi airplane from soviets, comes in parts, there's assembly instructions though. so they go through the process, result is a working tractor. wtf. they break it down, assemble again, tractor again. so they call russian, "wtf, tried assembling all we get is a tractor", su responds "please read fine print, `the product needs to be finalized with a judicial application of hammer and file`"
phf: pelevin actually has a short story "Prince of Gosplan" about that period of eu history (there's an en translation http://www.amazon.com/Werewolf-Problem-Central-Russia/dp/0811218600/)
BingoBoingo also seriously considered voting Bernie for the lulz
jurov: lol so then my education was started by trying to free conventional memory by moving a virus to the highmem
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo on the basis of that tidbit alone you'd be logically correct.
mircea_popescu: you'd expect the anti-lizard fellow to be anti-diebold definitionally and before anything else. "either paper trial or no vote took place",
phf: i started my purposeful computing education by accidentally nuking windows 95 install while trying to get rise of the triad to work!
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo incidentally, since you're maybe the only guy here that actually gas re us politics : admitting for the sake of this argument that trump really is the you know, tell-it-how-it-is, fight back against the system independent bla bla : what does the fact that he isn't making "electronic votes are not a sufficient way to settle this election" a central part of his campaign ?
mircea_popescu: like it or not - the prince of persia curricula is how a country the size of oregon ended up providing half the engineers hired by microsoft.
phf: the purity of scheme continuations! so they let you move execution context into an arbitrary location in the past? yeah! congratulations, you just implemented haf a goto
mircea_popescu: yeah peeps really hated the gotos.
phf: i've been coding gwbasic on my libretto. i remember a bearded su closed research facility forth guy was telling me "basic rots the brain, man, we get these developers who are forever ruined, i tell you" that was in 96. i wonder what he thinks of present crop...
mircea_popescu: i guess the point i'm getting at is that teaching technology is always and everywhere a secondary concern to the human quality of they being taught.
mircea_popescu: ~1/3 of the kids figured out how to give themselves infinite lives by trashing the ram.
phf: prince of persia would be a step up from the "haaweeey kids i'm ratty the friendly rat and i'm going to teach you, 15 year old adults, about long division. it's haaaaard!"
BingoBoingo: phf: The qntra is actually being written on a medical topic, but I was googling the "war on computing" link and was pleasantly surprised when qntra was #1
phf: concepts "IF you see a wall THEN turn left!"
phf: BingoBoingo: i've not read the article yet, but truth is, i'm yet to meet a teacher at a conference who's at all qualified to teach computing to kids. at best the approach is entirely experiental, "when you see a tiger^W^Wa popup, you should run away^W^Wcall a teacher" or "https stands for secure!", and the educational tooling is at best an inferior rip off of Scratch but more likely a scattershot gamification of hodge podge algorithmic
mircea_popescu: the fact that this model exists and is of anthropological relevancy proves that yes, categorically impossible.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-03-2016#1433430 << with time ? what time ? oh oh, your time. guess what ? you're the whore!
assbot: Logged on 15-03-2016 16:44:44; asciilifeform: already i work in a shop where the modem hiccups and 80% work - stops...
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-03-2016#1433416 << i run multiple internets bridged together. prolly costs me altogether less than what yours costs you, business and all.
mircea_popescu: shoot as many as you'd like, the sort of sniveling cur that'd become a preacher is abundently provided by the perl cunt.
assbot: Logged on 15-03-2016 16:40:39; asciilifeform: from the pov of the 1970s central planner lizards, the turn from 'pay per cpu cycle' timesharing phyootoore to personal comp was a mistake
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-03-2016#1433406 << well, has very little to do with either lizards or central planners and everything to do with the death of moore's law. no longer a frontier ? check it out, the preachers will be moving in any day now.
mircea_popescu: (institutul de tehnica de calcul, one of cluj's tallest buildings, certainly its only proper office building for a few decades (complete with cubicals!) and one of the places where ro was going to be defended informationally from the us!)
assbot: Logged on 15-03-2016 16:34:43; asciilifeform: operator would ritually take out, re-seat the cards, kick the thing, etc.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-03-2016#1433396 << hey, this was pretty much 100% the itc
gribble: expand K–12 computer ...: <http://www.theverge.com/2016/1/30/10876838/obama-computer-science-education-funding-4-billion>
gribble: Obama Orders War On Computing And Bitcoin With New - Qntra: <http://qntra.net/2015/04/obama-orders-war-on-computing-and-bitcoin-with-new-emergency-order-full-text/>; Obama's Plan to Increase Computer-Science and STEM Education ...: <http://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2016/02/obamas-push-for-computer-science-education/459276/>; Obama administration calls for $4 billion to (1 more message)
phf: ben_vulpes: i dunno, i've seen some pathological cases in json readers, "too nesty" at 10kb could be one of them
assbot: Logged on 15-03-2016 03:49:42; ben_vulpes: the 'umble shoemaker, dedicated to sitting on his ass and never doing anything, will starve in this town until he turns to making fashionable shoes with heels and lace instead of the sturdy things in which men tromp through mud.
assbot: Logged on 15-03-2016 02:28:33; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-03-2016#1432848 << for the record, this is a lot weaker than it seems, for reasons discussed but perhaps worth repeating : it is so trivial to transform all txn into a high/low-S of one's choosing, that there exists no actual barrier due to it.
ben_vulpes: holmes i can read 10mb of json into memory naively and not even begin to sweat the phone.
ben_vulpes: i cannot imagine what is going on over there.
ben_vulpes: "the blob is like 10kb -- is that too much?"
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-03-2016#1433181 << i was referring to the massive coinz that move on mpex. dark matter.
ben_vulpes: "is the JSON too nesty?"