mircea_popescu: if one in 100 shorts you get a 1% increase, which they don't care anyway.
mircea_popescu: 320V DC out of wall socket is a electronics 101 project ever since the times of hte b&w photo clubs.
mircea_popescu: (by a high voltage rectifier thingee i mean that iirc pogos draw 4.5 V dc. a > kv rectifier diode is twenty bucks or something, you can make yourself an item you plug into the wall and it feeds 100 pogos arranged in series out of maybe a hundy.)
mircea_popescu: if it can run an obscure wp blog, it certainly can run a bnc or whatever other such thing. much better security model than "i pay 20 dollars to dc hosted blabla-freedom.net"
mircea_popescu: and since you have the wot at your disposal most of the costs involved in low end hosting (ie, keeping the scum out) you're insulated from.
mircea_popescu: well, since alf doesn't want to engage the failure modes of "we know what stupidity is", let's just leave reference to perhaps the best folkloric work of all time, https://archive.org/stream/operecompletedig301pitr/operecompletedig301pitr_djvu.txt
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: what os on the pogo?
mircea_popescu: this because 2 bits = 2^2 = 4. had the shift been 17 bits, then you'd get to do 2^17 = 131072 old style hashings for each new style digest you calculate.
mircea_popescu: hash2 would have been the same for all nonces over 3, ie, 4, 5, 6 and 7. it'd have also been the same for all nonces under 4, ie, 0, 1, 2 and 3.
mircea_popescu: if in fact a shift by 2 was in effect, it'd be the case that hash1=f(header+7) and hash2 = g(digest(1)+1)
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron let's work an example. say the nonce is 7. this means hash1=f(header+7) and hash2 = g(digest(7)+7)
mircea_popescu: and if i hire an immigrant irishman as a carpenter, that STILL means he's gonna carpent in fucking new york, not that i'm paying his passage back to dublin to make me some doors and window frames there. wtf.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ah, no. they'd have to get in wot and follow teh rules, of course.
assbot: Logged on 17-03-2016 14:05:47; mircea_popescu: (to explain my thought process to the curious bystander - i would have seriously considered the application of a fiat-based receiver with provable practice but innocent of the wot over solrodar's ; i won't consider such over davout's. this means that in the past coupla days a window for some people to actually make their corpses useful to the world opened and closed - notwithstanding their or anyone
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2016#1435119 << holy fuck, srsly?! mircea_popescu would let somebody liquidate the 750 coin, and try to pay the bettors in fiat, with kyc crapolade, etc. ?!!!11
assbot: Logged on 17-03-2016 14:26:26; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2016#1435048 << if the nonce is not shifted at all, each digest is good for exactly one nonce. if the nonce is shifted one bit, each digest is good for 2 nonces. if it is shifted 10 bits, 1024 nonces. etc.
asciilifeform: no such thing in the orc lands.
mircea_popescu: once they get an actual suleyman, impalements have a better chance.
mircea_popescu: anyway, impalement is what i'd do. established absolute ruler of great power and etc. isis isn't that, just a swarming mob. of course they prefer beheadings, manlier.
mircea_popescu: these two can coexist.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how come nobody seems to get impaled in the arab lands ? assyrians, iirc, are thought to have ~invented~ the fucking stake!111 why no impale ?!11
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asciilifeform: 'we had to destroy the village in order to save it' (tm) (r)
asciilifeform: small arms 'demilitarized' for museums sometimes have lead poured into the barrel
asciilifeform: btw the crystal concept has applications even in orcdom
mircea_popescu: but the most interesting of all these threads - ever heard of one calogero vizzini ?
mircea_popescu: "correct like the jews". should be a trope.
mircea_popescu: and in the domain he knows how to contemplate, he is correct.
mircea_popescu: amorphous pockets the energy of resolution for which exceeds the destruction energy for the crystal.
assbot: Logged on 17-03-2016 14:51:01; mircea_popescu: "The suburbs are doomed. Go rural or stay urban, where you at least have structurally defensible enclaves, as opposed to getting caught in the suburban net that was designed to put you at the mercy of teenage criminals when you are in your eighties." << to the uncharitable eye it'd seem south africa was actually an experiment rather than happenstance.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2016#1435148 << city is 'defensible' if the city is stalingrad, and 'defend' can include 'destroy', and red army is flying in supplies.
mircea_popescu: and YOU can just as well have a trusted computer to print out the digital store.
asciilifeform: you can have as easily the slaves print out nonclearsigned (magic header, vs magic inband) and verify.
asciilifeform: clearsign involves magic words that break the flow of events
mircea_popescu: oh hey check it out, wikipedia manages a 5k word article on "allied invasion of sicily" without the words "cosa nostra", "mafia" or "vizzini". way to go, history by the retards, for the retards, a complete pie!
assbot: Logged on 17-03-2016 14:24:58; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2016#1435045 << you';re better off with digital storage than analogic. even for the narrow cases where analogic usually wins (film archival) it's on the grounds of "preserving the original item, which was analogic rather than transform it in some manner the lossy-ness of which we can't evaluate", nothing more.
assbot: Logged on 17-03-2016 14:10:22; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2016#1435023 << hence all the soviet youth's photo labs.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2016#1435103 << he walked out of my cache. now back in. i am considering writing to him, but probably i am no good at this, none of the folks thus far to whom i wrote, showed up.
mircea_popescu: IF you can stay carefully out in a domain where the newtonian approximation is close enough, THEN you'll be ok with that idea of intelligence.
assbot: Logged on 17-03-2016 13:46:44; mircea_popescu: this underscores the principal point about intelligence, which is to say that it is an ex post facto construction outside the object, and consequently it can not either be objective, or objectively measured.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2016#1435083 << this puts you in the lulzy position of saying the same for, e.g., voltage.
mircea_popescu: "The suburbs are doomed. Go rural or stay urban, where you at least have structurally defensible enclaves, as opposed to getting caught in the suburban net that was designed to put you at the mercy of teenage criminals when you are in your eighties." << to the uncharitable eye it'd seem south africa was actually an experiment rather than happenstance.
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mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2016#1435055 << they should at least wear those cute see through frilly socks! if they can't go all the way to http://41.media.tumblr.com/a512c6749b02295db8b4c267a379a075/tumblr_nlayqenekm1u2r4a0o1_1280.jpg
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mircea_popescu: i mean i know gavin-moore law will "fix this in the future", of course, but this isn't how engineering works.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron an important point to consider is the data & i/o meaning of "1 petahash". if each single hash requires 256 bits of data to proceed, you are looking at 32 petabytes of data that has to move. in a second ? ouch.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2016#1435048 << if the nonce is not shifted at all, each digest is good for exactly one nonce. if the nonce is shifted one bit, each digest is good for 2 nonces. if it is shifted 10 bits, 1024 nonces. etc.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2016#1435045 << you';re better off with digital storage than analogic. even for the narrow cases where analogic usually wins (film archival) it's on the grounds of "preserving the original item, which was analogic rather than transform it in some manner the lossy-ness of which we can't evaluate", nothing more.
assbot: Logged on 17-03-2016 03:15:03; phf: "if i cut the tape, he realized, my world will disappear. reality will continue for others, but not for me. because my reality, my universe, is coming to me from this minuscule unit. fed into the scanner and then into my central nervous system as it snailishly unwinds."
assbot: Logged on 17-03-2016 03:14:29; asciilifeform: that makes ... 2? 3? usg-authored corpses in the case now ?
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mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2016#1435023 << hence all the soviet youth's photo labs.
mircea_popescu: the contrary.)
mircea_popescu: (to explain my thought process to the curious bystander - i would have seriously considered the application of a fiat-based receiver with provable practice but innocent of the wot over solrodar's ; i won't consider such over davout's. this means that in the past coupla days a window for some people to actually make their corpses useful to the world opened and closed - notwithstanding their or anyone else's pretense to
mircea_popescu: much better stated like this than stated like you know, in the fiat wooden tongue. at least for my needs.
assbot: Logged on 17-03-2016 03:10:26; phf: i periodically revisit his page for inspiration, but i suspect that's he's probably some form of northern european anarcho leftist, which now's been fashionable long enough to perhaps swing back to fascism again. in other words he will probably find b-a rhetoric toxic. but i'm guessing from spending much time with other members of that crowd
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2016#1435024 << it is a sin, i will point out, to act today on the basis of an evaluation of tomorrow. please, causes. forget effects. THEY are toxic.
davout: well i did get that and read it, but i don't have any particular assets or connections other than my wot and history that put me in a particularly better position than others to do the job
mircea_popescu: there's a list there. don't have to go through it as is, read it, think it through also works.
assbot: Logged on 15-03-2016 00:52:46; mircea_popescu: do you have any sort of particular assets that'd likely help ? prior experience in doing this sort of thing (selling online properties) ? connections or otherwise some power putting you above others in some way ?
assbot: Logged on 17-03-2016 02:54:20; asciilifeform: i have not, it turns out, been keeping up with the fella.
davout: that would be three-fold: not charge more than a few percent for the whole liquidation, evaluate all claims against bitbet in light of its actual contract (and more specifically, the 3.2 (d) clause), try to get as much as possible from the non-cash assets, and (quite importantly) not disappear with the cash
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mircea_popescu: now answer the q asked of solrodar if you will.
mircea_popescu: and this is why neither ethics nor iqs are a thing.
mircea_popescu: this is the fundamental problem of ethics, that you can't have an intelligent justification of will, merely a willful justification of intelligence.
mircea_popescu: will may give restrictions of domain upon which an intelligence function may be constructed so it's coherent, but this then doesn't provide a method to justify the will upon which the whole construction is based.
mircea_popescu: this underscores the principal point about intelligence, which is to say that it is an ex post facto construction outside the object, and consequently it can not either be objective, or objectively measured.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform to round up yest's discussion of intelligence : if your putative beast that eats its brain does so in an actual maximum point, then the behaviour of eating the brain is intelligent ; if however it does so in a local maximum point that is later within its lifetime invalidated by events, then the same exact behaviour was unintelligent.
jurov: just the monkey on my back driving my fingers again, i guess.
davout: that's up to the involved parties, wait and see
davout: now whether both the involved parties think i'm qualified or not is obviously the first thing to clear up
jurov pictures davout approaching the snakepit with stick
davout: mircea_popescu kakobrekla would either of you guys veto my application for the job of bitbet receiver?
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assbot: Logged on 17-03-2016 00:03:15; mircea_popescu: and yet another twistable knob exists : the nonce may be shifted before taking the nonceth element.
phf: "if i cut the tape, he realized, my world will disappear. reality will continue for others, but not for me. because my reality, my universe, is coming to me from this minuscule unit. fed into the scanner and then into my central nervous system as it snailishly unwinds."
mod6: anyway, think it over for a bit. i'll get some coins into the foundation in a few days and then will try to write something up that can be signed.
asciilifeform: that makes ... 2? 3? usg-authored corpses in the case now ?
punkman: "We didn’t see any of this happening,” Ramos said. “They’re saying Michael wanted to kill himself. We just don’t know.” She said that Michael Ford’s mother suffered a heart attack after police in Prince George’s burst into her house to search it following the shooting and that she is now at the same hospital as her son." << we just don't know, lol
mod6: hanbot: hi, cool. probably would have to go back to at least the beginning of this whole hard/soft fork discussion i'd think.
asciilifeform: phf: actually i see him as something more like a lacan who dropped out of physics, or the like
asciilifeform: but these possibly can be commoditized into a thing that contains no logic as such
phf: for all i know he wear leather boots and listens to martial industrial..
asciilifeform: it is the caustics, heavy metals, cleanroom, etc. that suck donkey cock
phf: i periodically revisit his page for inspiration, but i suspect that's he's probably some form of northern european anarcho leftist, which now's been fashionable long enough to perhaps swing back to fascism again. in other words he will probably find b-a rhetoric toxic. but i'm guessing from spending much time with other members of that crowd
asciilifeform: back to the microdot,
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asciilifeform: and dies after a period of time, the attached process running on the computer is terminated or killed. Warning: psplague can result in a more or less instantaneous hard crash.'
asciilifeform: 'Inspired by Julian Oliver's psworld, psplague further explores the links between environment (simulation) and code. Rather than mapping a computer's internal processes onto visual features in the world (as in the case of psworld), in this instance (psplague) UNIX-like processes are attached to medieval villagers within a simple SIR (susceptible, infected, recovered) model of plague infection. When a villager becomes infected
hanbot: jurov: yeah, totally could be something that already exists like that sure. the realy problem is finding souls to actually DO the work there. << i'd be happy to help out however i can. how far back do you see this having to go btw?
asciilifeform: i have not, it turns out, been keeping up with the fella.
asciilifeform: t barely touch the skin of the hand. The repetitive rhythms of changing operational codes, as an application for example initialises its opening state, are translated into the hypnotic, up and down movements of the needle (making use in the second prototype of a CD-ROM ejection mechanism), appearing somewhat like the slowed, jerked motions of a sewing machine.'
asciilifeform: e' (whilst a common program such as the Firefox web browser is running) into the slow and painful inscription of a needle, piercing the skin of the operator or user's hand. A particular, common operational code such as that dictating the movement of the contents of one place in memory to another location, results in the needle achieving a certain depth in the hand, another opcode, say demanding the addition of two values, migh
asciilifeform: 'Inspired in part by a cursory reading of Kafka's short story, In the Penal Colony, in which a complex executable mechanism, its workings and social procedure, are described, a mechanism which inscribes the sentence (of the law) directly on the skin of the 'Condemned Man', pain registers attempts to directly translate or transfer the operational codes which are running on a computer's CPU (Central Processing Unit) in 'real tim
asciilifeform: body. The Dark Interpreter is thus not to be controlled. It is an obsidian electronic mirror, the earth and skin itself.' << i lack the wordz.
asciilifeform: 'The Dark Interpreter is influenced and guided by body capacitance, skin resistance, biological micro-voltages and the fleshy conduction of all signals. These are ways of saying that the Dark Interpreter is completely open. It is not to be considered as a closed and bounded device which is subject to an exterior control "by the body." The Dark Interpreter is an electronic and thus earthy shadow of the body, it is (inside) the
asciilifeform: they are built with the assumption that i will eventually be cokemachined personally and somehow made to fight for the nazis.
mircea_popescu: and in other borderline art project news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/3470835acf69ddd9f2d81b5c341340d5/tumblr_ntnoh08fJz1s3qr6wo1_1280.jpg
phf: defending against hypothetical lizard alf
mircea_popescu: dude, the "enemy" has enough trouble finding its own arse.
asciilifeform: ^ then they can contain literally ~anything~ and still produce my intended bitstring.
asciilifeform: enemy can embed extra mosfet in the reader, or whatever, but how does he know ~where~, etc.
asciilifeform: it is in re the 'specificity of diddling' thing.
asciilifeform: the ultimate vpatch !
asciilifeform: i.e. i can insert >1 on top of one another.
asciilifeform: bonus if the photo slide is ~composable~
asciilifeform: phf et al: to continue the eprom thread, i was never satisfied with the lights box answer to 'how to keep rom burner from lying'. what i really want is a photographic rom, where the storage die is something like 'microdot' and the reader is generic (in chip package) & separable.
phf: but i rarely see "sophisticated" systems outside of cute hacks like that rs232 visualizer. presumably have to be doing this stuff full time for years, with the explicit goal of solving computing problems using analogue means
phf: su avionics were predominantly analogue, including space stuff, like trajectory calucations, until quite late in the game
asciilifeform: in the old dayz, you could actually buy eprom burners that were not, in the ordinary sense, computerized
asciilifeform: i've thought for many years about such tools. decomputerize, if you will, as much of the critical 'nuke launch' loop as possible.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: you get the basic idea tho
asciilifeform: i can't be arsed to figure out presently whether this eats start/stop-bits correctly.
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mircea_popescu: and in other dribbles, http://40.media.tumblr.com/8994722978b9ab1525d2899ed7c7d611/tumblr_mir1m6gTvy1s40vqwo1_1280.jpg
asciilifeform: funkenstein_: and of subj of countries-not-on-the-map-no-moar overall
funkenstein_: you seem to like talking about it, i assumed you'd been there
asciilifeform: funkenstein_: the great zimbabwe of usistan
mircea_popescu: sucks to be them, i guess.
asciilifeform: and at any rate none of these folks work in 'justice' business, they work in 'societal security' aka hitler's service.
mircea_popescu: if you do - don't come to me to bail you out when they blow up.
mircea_popescu: there is no justice outside of the public forum. if party can not speak in public, it may not pretend like it has a case.
mircea_popescu: i don't get all these people participating in "sealed" pseudo-legal proceedings.
asciilifeform: the usg-gets-paper-masterkey one
mircea_popescu: oh oh the email thing, i recall now
mircea_popescu: alrighty then.
mircea_popescu: which was the lavabit ?
asciilifeform: the court transcript is pure circus
funkenstein_: so in this suggested coin you have proof a pool operator (aka miner) has a full copy of the block chain
mircea_popescu: no but srsly. am i gonna also !s "dump massive" or you get the point.
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asciilifeform: kakobrekla: the one which nobody ended up dumping massive qty of, the price of - not tanked, etc
kakobrekla: afaik the real bitcoin foundation collects btc not imaginary btc (at least bbet was sending those)
funkenstein_: its a coin with multiple difficulties for each hash function they use
mircea_popescu is starting to suspect this lecherous dwarf may be the only one who cavorted with the scamcoins enough.
mircea_popescu: but do link with the quotes.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla slightly not the same.
funkenstein_: aha a separate hashing of solely the proof of storage digest, this looks like it could work
kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2016#1434837 < the very same btc said to be worthless/useless/br0kended a couple of days ago
mod6: I'd even be open to the idea of two people splitting up the work there. Say, split 2BTC/yr between 2 individuals so that we get good coverage at all times.
mod6: well, no one said you were gonna live off of 2 BTC a year, unless you live on the dock and eat fish-heads for dinner every night.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, they were all good.
mircea_popescu: and for the record alf you stole my v idea too!
mod6: jurov: yeah, totally could be something that already exists like that sure. the realy problem is finding souls to actually DO the work there.
asciilifeform: except they aren't people but catz
asciilifeform: they are in my yard
assbot: Logged on 17-03-2016 00:14:09; mircea_popescu: and holy shit b-a is hiring like crazy, where are all the people looking for jerbs,
mircea_popescu: right before i get to say them!
mircea_popescu: WHY DOES EVERYONE IN THIS CHAN STEAL MY IDEAS ALL THE TIME
mod6: shinohai: eh, I'd say more like a really well kept-up wiki, but yea, that's kinda the idea.
mircea_popescu: shinohai no more like keep the notes organised so mod6 doesn't go blind looking for where the fuck i said about knobs and where was it.
shinohai: so make a state of therealbitcoin address for dummies?
mircea_popescu: sorta like a careful bash of technical discussions rather than lulz.
mod6: The key to this job is to save the really succint details of technical discussions surrouding future development. Needs just the right amount of information, too much will be cumbersome.
mircea_popescu: write down a summary of all the important shit.
mircea_popescu: shinohai you got the patience to stick with it ?
assbot: Logged on 17-03-2016 00:09:59; mod6: all of this good information needs to go somewhere other than the logs.
mod6: I'd even say TomServo or thestringpuller would be good candidates as well. Any wot regs.
mod6: jurov (who's got too much other shit to do)
mod6: ben_vulpes: any thoughts on this? If I dump 10 BTC to the foundation, will you approve 2BTC/yr for a stenographer?
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> so do it on the foudnation and donate the needed funds to it. << i guess i could just do that.
mircea_popescu: and holy shit b-a is hiring like crazy, where are all the people looking for jerbs,
mod6: the foundation makes money by not spending any.
mod6: hell, i'd do it myself, but there's no way i can keep up with that too.
mod6: then we search for that flag, and we see exactly where we should for whatever important topic.
mod6: yeah, but i can't ever find shit. and these details are too important to be lost.
jurov: there's wiki
mircea_popescu: the thing is, currently nodes only need disk ; cpu is wasted. ideally a node should use both, so that it makes sense to keep boxes as relay nodes.
mircea_popescu: just... a little breather for nodes.
mircea_popescu: my modeling shows it'd be way the fuck cheaper to calculate nonce blocks than to try and churn merkel trees
jurov: well then my comment still applies - miner can keep the nonce constant and churn hash1 by changing one transaction in a cycle
mircea_popescu: mod6 it's not entirely impossible to make the shifting a function of difficulty differential (note that there isn't a rule BOTH hashes have to be under THE SAME number. if there's two numbers, you could have an equalizer algo that does the shift moving)
mircea_popescu: knob 1 above decides whether to obsolete current miners entirely or just partially, and is a [true] soft vs hard fork ; knob 2 decides how much i/o pressure to put on relay nodes ; knob 3 decides how much relay work to require in the mix.
mircea_popescu: and yet another twistable knob exists : the nonce may be shifted before taking the nonceth element.
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mircea_popescu: see footnote 2, example : http://trilema.com/2016/the-necessary-prerequisite-for-any-change-to-the-bitcoin-protocol/#footnote_1_64828
mircea_popescu: N is another twistable knob. can be 1, can be whatever.
mircea_popescu: out of every Nth preceding block, the nonce-th byte is put in a string ; the combine hashed.
mircea_popescu: jurov the digest from past blocks is done like so :
mircea_popescu: it does. i specifically left the "hashing" undefined. it can be defined so both use sha3. or first stays as is and 2nd sha3. etc.
jurov: how is the digest from past blocks done?
mod6: ok and this goes back to the discussion this am right? re: sha(header+nonce) AND sha(digest+nonce) ? or did i read that wrong?
mircea_popescu: in the proposed model : a header is calculated, same way. to this, anonce is added, the combine hashed. this is hash 1. a digest is calculated, on the basis of past blocks. to this, the SAME nonce is added. the combine hashed. this is hash 2
mircea_popescu: ok. so currently, for every block being mined : a header is calculated ; to this a nonce is added, the combine hashed. the resultant hash has to be smaller than a number to qualify as a found block.
mod6: i like what i've read, more analysis and discussion of implementation decisions are required for sure. i think we'll get there as this thread continues over the next 45 days.
mircea_popescu: dja understand the amended form we came to well ?
jurov: mod6: Mr P.'s outlined ideas would benefit from deeper adversarial analysis, maybe it comes out it's possible only 1000 times slower using rainbow tables or other techniques I proposed in the comments
mircea_popescu: too bad i constantly strangle the easy fruit pickers. if only they fucking picked in THAT direction ffs.
mircea_popescu: healing the relay-miner divide, if in fact the thing on trilema does it, would be a great one.
mod6: However, my main objective is still to finish up the v054 release before diving into any of that quite yet. It's my fault, I havent done jack-shit all month basically. I've been meaning to work with trinque and get these makefiles battle-ready, but have had a number of meatspace things get in the way.
mod6: mircea_popescu asciilifeform ben_vulpes trinque phf, et. al., I've been mulling it over while i've been following the logs for some days now about what seems like a good fork to have in our possession: at this point, im inclined to think implementation of Mr. P.'s outlined ideas are the best choice, currently.
mod6: anyway, I see you patch, thanks for posting. when I get around to making another version of V, i'll throw that in there.
mod6: <+trinque> mod6: what's the proper way to get you changes for v.pl? would be nice when press blows up to be told what vpatch barfed. want to just add that yourself? << hey, uumm... so yeah, i think it does tell you which one barfed on press. did you use (v | verbose) in there? or have a dpaste of what it did?
mircea_popescu: who the fuck is supposed to have made that youtube video ?
BingoBoingo: In other news Orange Clinton is threatening riots if the RNC convention denies him the nomination
BingoBoingo: I know places where actual food happens seasonally and mass food is recycled in the fields though the Corn Cycle. I rightly can't believe the Coast or Death phenomenon as anything other than a form of Stockholm syndrome.
BingoBoingo: The Bahamas gang's reign is ending and the electoral progress is a mess in an effort to rig the contest in Clitler's favor. Qntra however has to prepare for lulztingencies. Among these is a contested convention.
BingoBoingo: I don't know anything of these coasts.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: life - or what passes for life - in usaschwitz - happens on the coasts.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: If you are talking Kasich the correct lsd is the one that extracts lulz from setting the man up to fail.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: where do i get the correct lsd to digest that article.
BingoBoingo: Also the FBI did squeeze of a couple shots before his hands went anywhere near his waistband
BingoBoingo: By running the initial blockade Finicum was clearly excercising his duty to evade in an effort to continue the fight later
BingoBoingo: Meanwhile Lavoy Finicum was a hero because he was fighting the powah
BingoBoingo: Just to be pedantic 'An Hero' is the technical term for anyone acting with intent to off themselves
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Any idea where the video is? I can't seem to find it on "World Star Hiphop"
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: I also found this on LTM within neural nets: http://colah.github.io/posts/2015-08-Understanding-LSTMs/ << It looks as if LTM is possible but pretty complex (gates within the NN itself)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so wait, an hero killed no-one, police did all the murderin' ?
BingoBoingo: Ok, I just suggest it because I know few things as refreshing for the mind as digging into an especially lulzy incident for qntra.
BingoBoingo: Interesting mortadella there, will qntra unless you direly want to do it
asciilifeform: shooter's brothers film whole thing.
asciilifeform: cops then open up, killing at least one among selves
assbot: Brothers filmed attack on police station that left officer dead, authorities say - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1PctO2i )