BingoBoingo: <solrodar> yes, so I'm simply saying that the receiver's contract should not presume any particular classification << The reciever may end up rejecting some claims by suppliers, but the MUST be *considered* first
solrodar: yes, so I'm simply saying that the receiver's contract should not presume any particular classification
PeterL: well, it is up to the receiver to classify things
PeterL: you don't seem to grasp the must pay first/can pay first difference
solrodar: who says all suppliers must be in the same class?
solrodar: if he says it's not an ordered list then that's fine
solrodar: yes, but if davout's list is read as an ordered list then it still says that all suppliers are senior to all bettors
PeterL: solrodar they didn't say all suppliers must be in the same class, the receiver has the option to classify suppliers as urgent/non-urgent
mircea_popescu: and if i'm reading this correctly there may well be death sentences ?
mircea_popescu notes bitterly that the chinese ARE fucking prosecuting their own bfl, unlike the usg faggots.
mircea_popescu: and 2. IF you want to argue against something i said, do yourself the favour and BRING VERY GOOD ARGUMENTS. because your own personal word will count for nothing much, and you'll just make a clown out of yourself.
solrodar: who says all suppliers must be in the same class?
mircea_popescu: this flows from the definition of the term supplier (comes before the company on the flow) and customer (comes after).
mircea_popescu: two things, read them outloud to yourself. 1. if A is a class senior to B, then receiver MAY NOT proceed to pay B until he has disposed of A entirely. therefore suppliers MUST be in A and cusomters in B, BECAUSE customers can do nothing to injure the bankrupt concern,. whereas the suppliers can.
mircea_popescu: motherfucker.
solrodar: but as I said, if the only argument is "receiver still has to work", then it only applies to claims the receiver must pay in order to do his work
davout: solrodar: well, how about you think of a bitcoin transaction fee as a certified bill? it is necessary to pay it for the receiver to be able to actually bettors for example
mircea_popescu: you wanna argue against something i said, do yourself and especially your posterity the favour of coming with eighteen armored divisions.
mircea_popescu: and in general this inept "mp said something ; i said something else because i'm just as much a X as mp" is the font of ineptitude.
solrodar: davout: "payment of the liabilities on a best-effort basis, ordered by priority (certified bills, bet winnings & refunds, shareholders)"
mircea_popescu: this neatly matches the ability of suppliers to cut the spaghetti NOW as opposed to the customers' ability to basically whine moar.
mircea_popescu: seniority is principally important so as to give the receiver the option, not the obligation, to pay things NOW, rather than promise to pay after he pays someone else.
mircea_popescu: solrodar the receiver has the option to set aside bills anyway, so that's not much of a practical consideration.
solrodar: BingoBoingo: not paying customers injures the brand a lot more than not paying mircea_popescu
gribble: Darkcoin: Value Drops while going Open Source | Qntra: <http://qntra.net/2014/10/darkcoin-value-drops-while-going-open-source/>; Qntra | Reporting the Intersection of Bitcoin, Technology, and Politics ...: <http://qntra.net/page/106/?action=prodinfo&cat_id=6&prod=10>; Paxful Gets Desperate, Priced Out Of Bitcoin | Qntra: <http://qntra.net/2015/12/paxful-gets-desperate/>
mircea_popescu: wow check out the darkcoin thing
BingoBoingo: solrodar: Since the reciever's aim is recovering the maximum value from where it can, ideally they pay the bills to not injure the brand anymore than it has been by ending up in recievership.
solrodar: if the only argument is "receiver still has to work", then it only applies to claims the receiver must pay in order to do his work
mircea_popescu: if you ask "there's a general principle in liquidation" you are necessarily asking about fiat practice, there not being another practice in the field.
solrodar: so you're saying there's a general principle in liquidation that all claims by suppliers and employees are senior to all claims by customers?
mircea_popescu: you can't base your judgement about what to do with a category on the basis of what you know or "can imagine" in terms of examples from that category.
solrodar: if that is rejected or haircut, it doesn't impede the liquidator's work
solrodar: and the only bill in question is of course your bill for 17 BTC
solrodar: the site is dead
solrodar: there are no lights
mircea_popescu: solrodar bills are senior because in general for the same general reason. you don't pay electricity, bankrupt or not, you can't have the lights on. receiver still has to work.
solrodar: but why necessarily other ones?
davout: solrodar: unless the liquidator bill is senior he has no guarantee to be paid, in which case...
assbot: /biz/ - After missing the Eth train, I just took out a $10 - Business & Finance - 4chan ... ( http://bit.ly/258IIlZ )
shinohai: http://boards.4chan.org/biz/thread/1145795/after-missing-the-eth-train-i-just-took-out-a <<< nice
BingoBoingo: In other news, today is closing arguments for Hulk Hogan v. Gawker
BingoBoingo: And there's even automatic watering systems available for that part
BingoBoingo: <jurov> even batteries are advised not to be massively serially connected, you know << Well, I imagined massively parallel FeNi banks. linked to get target voltages. Abuse however just so long as you remember to water them.
BingoBoingo: Also in Davout's favor is he parted out and closed a contentious property before after he acquired Instawallet and discovered it to be toxic. He's got experience dealing with the aggro.
BingoBoingo: Get power to batteries however, one it's in the batteries dice it up and feed to machines as appropriate
jurov: asciilifeform: if he is fine with serially connecting elements with wildly variable resistances to 300V, no wonder he's fine with many other interesting things :)
asciilifeform: and yes, if you want hand-verify, you gotta have the talmud-style line checksums.
assbot: Logged on 18-03-2016 12:13:45; assbot: Logged on 18-03-2016 04:55:17; mircea_popescu: a) eye-readable contract ; b) machine-verifiable signature ; c) that can also be verified by hand ; d) in the same item.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-03-2016#1435816 << the other objectionable thing is how mircea_popescu 'jwz's 'eye-readable' to mean 'existing software, and particularly unix cat'
assbot: Logged on 18-03-2016 05:52:52; mircea_popescu: clouds have a function beyond their perceptible form ; "sybils" means nothing other than the cartel.
asciilifeform: also i would like to watch mp or anyone actually ~do~ the 'hand verify' thing.
assbot: Logged on 18-03-2016 04:55:51; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2016#1435644 << yes, but the problerm needs fixing, not replacing with worse problem.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-03-2016#1435752 << a good chunk of the retardation is a ~result~ of the clearsign thing.
asciilifeform: ( and if it must be had, the text is liable to look like a chimera of the talmud and nazi telex !11)
assbot: Logged on 18-03-2016 04:55:17; mircea_popescu: a) eye-readable contract ; b) machine-verifiable signature ; c) that can also be verified by hand ; d) in the same item.
assbot: EU Marching Towards "Helicopter Money" As Other Manipulations Are Exhausted | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/22oG0cX )
BingoBoingo: jurov: Sorry, I've added a note http://qntra.net/2016/03/eu-marching-towards-helicopter-money-as-other-manipulations-are-exhausted/#comment-48935
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: clouds have a function beyond their perceptible form ; "sybils" means nothing other than the cartel.
mircea_popescu: it;s nothing short of saying "the clouds must be painted on the firmament because they are seen and the parsimonious explanation of all thigns seen is painting".
ben_vulpes: a route around the sybils perhaps?
ben_vulpes: and if the two parties are engaged in commerce, at least there must be an open channel to those consuming the digests.
mircea_popescu: yes, that's the idea.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: could the digest be a tool for node operators to ensure access to miners?
assbot: Logged on 18-03-2016 04:59:01; mircea_popescu: jurov is the mario draghi "she" deliberate ?
assbot: Logged on 18-03-2016 04:57:49; mircea_popescu: jurov ftr, "specie" in english means gold bullion. it's unadvisable to use in the context you do.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: bbet share payment also avoids the issue of mods dragging their heels in resolving a sticky situation, as per hour fees would. share payment also puts skin in the game and flat-rate payment incentives efficiency.
assbot: Logged on 18-03-2016 02:18:42; asciilifeform: 'I did fight things out in court. It just occurred in secret, and while a proper description would require the use of vulgarity, I'll summarize by saying I was railroaded. The length of time between when I received the PRTT order, and when I was found in contempt (ex parte) was about 5 weeks. For comparison the /median /time between filing and disposition of a civil contempt charge in federal court du
mircea_popescu: jurov is the mario draghi "she" deliberate ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes a simple way to address the problem is put in a fixed per-bet fee, of say .2 or .3 or w/e, and make bet minimum 1 or somesuch.
mircea_popescu: jurov ftr, "specie" in english means gold bullion. it's unadvisable to use in the context you do.
assbot: Logged on 17-03-2016 23:16:04; asciilifeform: at the cost of gpg being utterly retarded in 101 ways
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2016#1435644 << yes, but the problerm needs fixing, not replacing with worse problem.
mircea_popescu: a) eye-readable contract ; b) machine-verifiable signature ; c) that can also be verified by hand ; d) in the same item.
pete_dushenski: ecb wanted to keep up with feds but weren't nearing election (or selection) so they transgendered the poor sob
assbot: Logged on 17-03-2016 23:10:43; asciilifeform: because - guess what - a CR/LF, LF, or CR - LOOK THE SAME on the page.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: i should further clarify that 'active years' were, regardless of the farmer's age, up until about 20 years ago. the size of farms have grown exponentially of late, hand-in-hand with the increased cost of inputs and the decreased price of outputs.
assbot: Logged on 17-03-2016 22:44:15; jurov: "the goal is to have whole piece" implies it is seekable, thus feasible to scan the file for signatures from the end
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-03-2016#1435694 << heart attack. at least the men. they become accustomed to wholesome and hearty diets in their active years, which they have a hard time foregoing in their later years, despite increasingly sedentary lifestyles. ticker eventually calls it quits.
assbot: Logged on 17-03-2016 22:22:55; asciilifeform: distribute the exponentiated payload !111111
pete_dushenski: then bitbet needs a 5% rake. problem solved ?
ben_vulpes: i don't see how it can continue without mods and hosting on the books.
BingoBoingo: punkman: For the record the author of that piece on the Toddler problem is a notorious hamplanet of ~400 pounds
assbot: The macabre truth of gun control in the US is that toddlers kill more people than terrorists do | Lindy West | Opinion | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ro1iT0 )
punkman: speaking of "casualties of bull vs tractor" http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/mar/13/the-macabre-truth-of-gun-control-in-the-us-is-that-toddlers-kill-more-people-than-terrorists-do
BingoBoingo: !s lathe accident
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, a tractor's PTO generally provides more power for the mangling
BingoBoingo: http://modernfarmer.com/2014/06/farm-deaths/ << "His jeans caught on a piece of manure-pumping equipment and, in the blink of an eye, his leg was connected to his torso by a mere inch of flesh. "
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-03-2016#1435703 << recall the very picturesque lathe accident photos in the logz?
gribble: CDC - Agricultural Safety - NIOSH Workplace Safety and Health Topic: <http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/aginjury/>; Death on the Farm - Modern Farmer: <http://modernfarmer.com/2014/06/farm-deaths/>; OSHA Fact Sheet: Farm Safety: <http://ehs.okstate.edu/training/oshafarm.htm>
gribble: Hazards of the PTO on Farm Tractors - Alabama Cooperative ...: <http://www.aces.edu/pubs/docs/A/ANR-1262/ANR-1262.pdf>; Power Take-Off (PTO) Safety (also available in Spanish ...: <http://extension.psu.edu/agsafety/vehicles-and-machinery/tractor-safety/e33>; Know the Dangers of a PTO - Gempler's: <https://www.gemplers.com/docs/tailgate-training-tip-sheets/9-pto-danger-en.pdf>
asciilifeform: and in fact, their work over mine.
gribble: Hazard Alert: Dangers of Engulfment and Suffocation in Grain Bins: <https://www.osha.gov/SLTC/grainhandling/hazard_alert.html>; Grain entrapment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grain_entrapment>; Suffocation Hazards in Grain Bins - UK College of Agriculture: <http://www.ca.uky.edu/agc/pubs/aen/aen39/aen39.pdf>
BingoBoingo: Often they suffocate in silos full of grain and silo gasses
asciilifeform: *the
assbot: Logged on 18-03-2016 02:08:53; assbot: The Robots Sent Into Fukushima Have 'Died' ... ( http://bit.ly/1RpQMo6 )
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-03-2016#1435672 << designing arbitrarily rad-hard waldo is not so hard - use hydraulic actuators for everything. and what's more, it would ~happen~ if, instead of dead robot leading to a lucrative extension of contract, the designer were marched to clean the reactor ~personally~.
punkman: asciilifeform: plain text? they already had that
BingoBoingo: "The health department said the fate of the bull would be left to the family." << Note, being a Bull means you get out of USG law racket sometimes
asciilifeform: 'I did fight things out in court. It just occurred in secret, and while a proper description would require the use of vulgarity, I'll summarize by saying I was railroaded. The length of time between when I received the PRTT order, and when I was found in contempt (ex parte) was about 5 weeks. For comparison the /median /time between filing and disposition of a civil contempt charge in federal court during 2013 was 6 /months/.'
BingoBoingo: OH I stripped out the links
punkman: the article
deedbot-: [Qntra] EU Marching Towards "Helicopter Money" As Other Manipulations Are Exhausted - http://qntra.net/2016/03/eu-marching-towards-helicopter-money-as-other-manipulations-are-exhausted/
BingoBoingo: should hit the deedbutt shortly
asciilifeform: this was a step towards the Right Thing.
phf: beos email client was a thing to download mail and the thing to view/compose. everything else was handled by file manager
phf: befs was tight in that respect, where they blend xattr and file contents, and then build all tools with metadata support upfront, so you could have a folder full of mp3s and they would come up as song-name, song-title, date, etc.
phf: hfs+ still has forks, except now they have some ~monster~ xattr resourcefork hybrid
mod6: danielpbarron: thanks for writing that up on your blog. the job is yours if you want it. i'll write up something formal and we can go from there.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> jurov: how do you know where the end is ?? << You run out of tape and have to flip it to the other side
asciilifeform: merely because you have not explored the edge cases that break it
asciilifeform: the act of carrying on in a belied that a CONCEPTUALY BUGGY system is a working item
assbot: Logged on 17-03-2016 22:12:05; asciilifeform: the -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- crud is ~exactly~ a safeword.
asciilifeform: at the cost of gpg being utterly retarded in 101 ways
jurov: and then sign that
asciilifeform: this is the ultimate in 'in-band'. mega-ugly.
asciilifeform: then he ought sign s-expressions.
asciilifeform: and every time i try to explain to him that his notion of 'text' is ill-defined and the actual mechanics, as implemented in unix world and elsewhere, are malignantly retarded
asciilifeform: incidentally anybody who actually tries the latter with pgp, is stuck with mutilated line endings
asciilifeform: (it isn't useless, but a whole chunk of fs for them?!1)
asciilifeform: the clinically sad are no concern of mine.
jurov: m$ office and their ilk does
asciilifeform: you can't magic away the 'metadata' thing just by closing your eyes to it.
asciilifeform: but notice, at no point (since the dark ibm mainframe days anyway) did anyone suggest storing the access time, or perms, IN THE FILE proper
asciilifeform: it is not any more or less retarded than the old mac os forks.
asciilifeform: where there was a separate body for 'metadata' and another for what we think of as the file
asciilifeform: e.g., the old mac os had dual-forked file system
asciilifeform: this is not a trivial problem, and it has popped up in the past in various guises
asciilifeform: i get it, you can 'dwim' in your head, 'my eyes know how big it is' - but how does THE MACHINE know.
asciilifeform: let's say it is at the end.
asciilifeform: jurov: this solves nothing, it merely flips the problem on its head
asciilifeform: jurov: how do you know where the end is ??
jurov: "the goal is to have whole piece" implies it is seekable, thus feasible to scan the file for signatures from the end
asciilifeform: and pretending otherwise is lunacy.
asciilifeform: tell it to the whores!1111
asciilifeform: distribute the exponentiated payload !111111
mircea_popescu: in the sense your ballsac is physically separtate from your penis.
asciilifeform: the signature is always physically separate
asciilifeform: and ditto the opposite
asciilifeform: i.e. any idiot can cut off the sig and convey payload without it
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: same way we preserve anything, you gotta figure out what aspects are actually essential to the thing, and which - are really accidents
mircea_popescu: i'm not about to give out the only workable way to make contracts since the fucking hansa
asciilifeform: and even in the case of sha2 is a waste.
asciilifeform: which, in the case of a wonderful thing like keccak, is entirely no good.
asciilifeform: where there are no 'lines'.
asciilifeform: it pointedly does NOT cover the case of signing non-printables.
mircea_popescu: here. first line, the line index where signature begins. second line, the line index where payload begins. third line, the line count of the whole shebang.
mircea_popescu: why not ? put a proper fucking header in there!
asciilifeform: and the winblowzated newlines.
asciilifeform: and especially so are the - ----- idiocies.
asciilifeform: the -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- crud is ~exactly~ a safeword.
asciilifeform: the latter can be arbitrary.
mircea_popescu: i suppose it necessarily can be put in the header huh.
asciilifeform: it is a function ~of~ the payload.
mircea_popescu: mno, crc is part of the payload ?
asciilifeform: and so is making the unwrapper stateful.
mircea_popescu: but it is also subtly different from the general band discussion.
mircea_popescu: notably, the derpy gnupg manual indicates "telephone" as a out-of-band mechanism to verify key fingerprints. is this so ? since when until when ? did it work back when phones were still analog ? does it work now ? why / why not ? etc.
mircea_popescu: the concept of identifiably separate bands is as much a presumption about the "adversary" (properly said, of the context) as anything else.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the in-band thing is not as separable from your point as you think.
assbot: Logged on 07-11-2015 02:21:19; mircea_popescu: "In the world where the media postulates social media as an absolute requirement of the modern era-- the era where everything is fetishized-- no one is permitted to make the distinction between a value and the picture of a value, they are made equivalent, so daring to criticize Randi's baby pictures is made to sound like misogyny or misobaby. It's not. I love food but if you ask me to look at a pict
mircea_popescu: it's what children do when they want to play house but are affraid of getting caught.
mircea_popescu: "sex with safewords" is sex exactly in the sense the guy playing king richard in a theatrical production is king richard, the historical personage. "sex with safewords" is at best a brat's wet dream, and in general prostitution, in the vein of the pedicurist or hospital nurse's job - but in no case has anything to do with sex, nor can it occur among sane adults.
mircea_popescu: the problem with safewords isn't that they're in-band to any degree. the problem with safewords is that they pretend to recast s/M relationships into a circus approximation. the submissive partner may not pretend to option as to when, or as to how the dominant partner extracts his pleasure out of his hide ; nor may (ipso facto inept) third parties purport to misrepresent any sexual relationship in terms other than stuf
Agentzeromobilea: Well good to say hello - thanks for the voicings!... Blessings upon your good works... See you later
mircea_popescu: if it weren't for the pesky armed insurection, iraq would be "cleanning up corruption" as we speak.
mircea_popescu: it's how the shit played out in the us ; and the scheme is systematically repeated in every colony of the reich hence.
mircea_popescu: anyway. by and large, the "cleanning out corruption" narrative is what happens to a colonized place, ie, after the top leadership was defeated.
asciilifeform: Mr. Popescu was not an MP then, << l0l
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2016 02:31:01; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, romanians have been trading votes for years now. go in there with your smartphone, take pic of vote and id card, get 30 lei or w/e
Agentzeromobilea: Mr. Popescu was not an MP then, but was seeking re-election on a local council, reports the Telegraph. Despite it not being a seat in the national parliament Mr. Popescu saw fit to give away 60,992 kg of “grilled chicken”, ordering it in bulk from a local business and sending campaign volunteers to collect and distribute the meat. The prosecutor told the court every package of chicken was “distributed for el
mircea_popescu: not just romania, either.
mircea_popescu: trinque> thx to mod6 for the highs lows patch, using lows is helping deedbot- keep track of his dust << win.
trinque: thx to mod6 for the highs lows patch, using lows is helping deedbot- keep track of his dust
mircea_popescu: jurov careful with the mw unit also. some of those - 10kv!
mircea_popescu: eh get out ; if he has a tv set he has 2kv or some shit in the house already.
mircea_popescu: such is the power of artizanship in this day of industrial decay.
mircea_popescu: eh, he CAN make a better series arrangement than what the brick does. for srs.
mircea_popescu: nothing prevents you from spending the 35 bucks for a roll of 100 caps.
asciilifeform: chinese - only the former
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: one of the other things about 'take rectifier and power 10 - or 20 in eu - in series' is that you get one of the problems of the chinese bricks, but in spades: ripple
mircea_popescu: by now the bricks are so shitty, and tolerance so easy, it's surprising what "digital apparatus" takes in terms of abuse.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you're either bored or butthurt
mircea_popescu: but the EXACT same.
mircea_popescu: and the same EXACT arguments you use could be used to persuade me (or at least a dumber version) to use java instead of tinyscheme.
mircea_popescu: and from that same angle, the value of tmsr engineer is g(value of burned pogos)
asciilifeform: so when $random-ba-visitor proposes doing something idiotic with financitronics, mircea_popescu says 'this is moronic' and this is a-ok, because financitronics is a mircea_popescu-competence. when i say 'this is moronic' and subj is electronics, then i am on crack?
mircea_popescu: phf thinking about it, i think the switch has a lot to do with their delusional notion that they're somehow now in power.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> what's easier than soldering a plug into a pre-prepped landing pad ? << ANYTHING that doesn't involve "pre-prepped". what's easier than marrying this girl your mommy splayed out on the bed for you ???
asciilifeform: in other lulz,
asciilifeform: incidentally, physical quality of books in the english world peaked some time in 50s.
asciilifeform: (e.g., description of how magnetic recording actually happens, the material aspects of the media, etc0
asciilifeform: i have whole shelf of 1950s b00kz in 'computing' section of my library. they are spiffy & useful.
phf: i thought there was some cool shit, RAF for example had a very practical nazi beurocrat cleaning program
mircea_popescu: which, incidentally, is EXACTLY what they are. the fashion world of ugly chicks and insecure betas.
mircea_popescu: might as well care what the "fashion world" thinks.
mircea_popescu: they stand for exactly nothing ; one generation switch can change any major tenet.
mircea_popescu: phf that change, incidentally, makes me completely discount the euro "left" movement.
mircea_popescu: anyway. powering a bunch of pogos in the discussed way is neither terribly difficult nor terribly risky. it does require some reading, of course. and it does deviate from "how things are done", which is a major asset.
phf: european leftists have been inexplicably at war with trolling (which is a 180 change from how it was in the 90s and prior), somehow went from CRASS to respecting each others feelings, so takes some conscious effort to court some from that circle
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i will remind you i am the one who plans to buy the ancient collection of chinese miniature emperors on rice beads
phf: mircea_popescu: which interpretation? i'm saying that the way arguments are presented here is essentially "this is how it is, and you're an idiot for not grokking" as opposed to some other, perhaps subtler, forms of rhetoric
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: when you invite folks for target practice, which piece do you let them fire ? the luger, penny a round, or the rare borschardt 1890 where each round has to be bought from museum ?
mircea_popescu: your idea of usefully is centered on the thing.
asciilifeform: if yer gonna burn pogos, why not usefully, see how much overclock the thing can take, or see if you can upgrade the ram
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let the man burn pogos. i will not change man to protect pogos. wtf.
mircea_popescu: phf methinks you may be alone in that interpretation. i for instance don't do the whole "accept as fairitale" thing.
mircea_popescu: this brave new libertard world that "holds people as the greatest value", i am so sick of it!
mircea_popescu: who the FUCK cares about fucking chickens already!
mircea_popescu: this is an eery repeat of the chicken story, somehow.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: why the FUCK to do this?!111 good way to nuke a dozen or two nonrenewable resource pogotrons
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform would you stop getting in the way of people doing things omigerd.
phf: mircea_popescu: i take rhetoric as separate from message. b-a rhetoric is firmly in asshole tradition, i.e. strong statements and the listener has an option to find the subtle point.
asciilifeform: and it isn't as if these don't come with a civilized 12v regulated brick.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: then whole thing stops
mircea_popescu: there's overvoltage fuse also!