trinque: the reason I ask is that my "stuck node" problems vanished when I left AWS.
thestringpuller: they are run from closet in house
trinque: thestringpuller: where are you hosting
thestringpuller: if already nigga rigged, might as well duct tape the whole thing
thestringpuller: fuck. i guess I'll just add watchdog and if logs don't have `ProcessBlock: ACCEPTED` in the last 60 minutes `kill -9 <pid>; ./startrb.sh`
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: kill -9
assbot: Logged on 19-03-2016 18:27:01; mircea_popescu: i'd hire myself to shorten myself ; but then again i already do.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2016#1436500 << shortening doesn't work. not if the material is any good to begin with, and author 'left out the parts people skip'
assbot: Logged on 19-03-2016 18:16:17; thestringpuller: it's still pulling in transactions in the logs, but it's not receiving any blocks
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2016#1436494 << the idiocy of single-threaded block verification.
asciilifeform: interestingly, it was among those NEVER exposed directly to the net, fed -connect directly from zoolag (on lan)
asciilifeform: and in fact oom ought to be handled in the exception catcher as a fatal
asciilifeform: nonfatal, because the thing was written by tards
assbot: Logged on 19-03-2016 17:19:23; mod6: Does anyone else see these error messages running the latest trb (minus shiva)? Looks to be in main.cpp:ProcessMessage around lines 1855:1913. It doesn't look to me to be related to the malleus patch, but I could be wrong there. Thoughts? Seen the same in your logs? Plz let us know. http://dpaste.com/21PJMY4.txt
mircea_popescu: i'd hire myself to shorten myself ; but then again i already do.
hanbot: one could leave such things intact and merely trim actual offtopic...not sure if that'd actually be useful in the sense mod6 was looking for tho (also not sure it'd merit pay)
hanbot: and from my own experience anyway, if you cut out some portion of what the man said it WILL come back to bite you
hanbot: so mod6 & anyone else interested in that shortlogs idea (http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2016#1434765): i've been trying out two versions of shortening; one trimmed of off-topic and nontechnical commentary, the other with any relevant line/argument summarized. a possibly substantial problem i see with either of these is that the accompanying philosophical discourse, esp from mircea_popescu, is probably mandatory for comprehension, ev
thestringpuller: it's still pulling in transactions in the logs, but it's not receiving any blocks
mod6: fwiw, my node doesn't die, just keeps on running in the event of this exception.
mod6: Does anyone else see these error messages running the latest trb (minus shiva)? Looks to be in main.cpp:ProcessMessage around lines 1855:1913. It doesn't look to me to be related to the malleus patch, but I could be wrong there. Thoughts? Seen the same in your logs? Plz let us know. http://dpaste.com/21PJMY4.txt
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mircea_popescu: pretty epic story, really. but the imposture is also evident.
asciilifeform: and yeah 'jew' means ashkenazim, the other kinds may as well be eskimos as far as i'm concerned
asciilifeform: i once met the rarest animal on planet3
assbot: Logged on 19-03-2016 14:32:50; mircea_popescu: anyway. in the meantime the heat of battle forged a very different israel, which i suppose can lay claim to continuance. but it is in very few significant points continuing my notion of jewish.
mircea_popescu: (for the curious re notion of jewish - for one thing it speaks fucking idis, and for the other see bashevis-singer an' let me be.)
mircea_popescu: !s resistance of the medium
mircea_popescu: place's too big, is the problem, and in both cases.
mircea_popescu: you familiar with the whole "slav soul, fatalism, blabla" ?
phf: apropos, one thing that i couldn't quite grok moving to u.s., how the children of odessa expats (read isaac babel for example about jewish gangsters of odessa) turned into sniveling woody allen clones
mircea_popescu: then again the same can be said of imaginary postmodern nations such as "austria". really, austria ? ooookay.
mircea_popescu: anyway. in the meantime the heat of battle forged a very different israel, which i suppose can lay claim to continuance. but it is in very few significant points continuing my notion of jewish.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'good partz' at any rate.
mircea_popescu: the remnants, in both cases, are this ridoinculous us pretense, much in the way "indians" survived there.
mircea_popescu: the sad truth of the 20th century history is that hitler did in fact succeed ; much more than the italian twerp succeeded in wiping the mafia - the nazis managed to actually end judaism.
phf: i'm waiting for western ashkenazim to start embracing persecution as a status symbol, kind of like how affirmative action devalued blacks in workforce, this is the opposite. was a bit of a thing in su, in some professions (anything related to mil for example) if you were known to be of jewish descent (you wouldn't be on paper, but "people talk") it was also kind of assumed that you were whicked smart to get in
phf: "the ussr olympiad problem book"
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asciilifeform: ther are several dead tree collections.
mircea_popescu: hurr. unintentional self-irony on the public budget!
mircea_popescu: "To suggest that antisemitism can ever be explained, rather than condemned, is insensitive and, frankly, bizarre. AQA needs to explain how and why this question was included in an exam paper."
assbot: Michael Gove criticises 'bizarre' Jewish exam question | Education | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1pSEiPI )
mircea_popescu: speaking of trigger warnings, http://www.theguardian.com/education/2012/may/25/michael-gove-jewish-exam-question
asciilifeform: it is actually same thing as the yaglom
mircea_popescu: i hope it has the appropriate trigger warnings.
asciilifeform: speaking of jews, there is an english edition of the infamous 'jewish exam problems' compendium.
mircea_popescu: it has a splendid statement of cauchy's binding of riemann zeta terms among other goodies.
gribble: Metropolitan (1990 film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_(1990_film)>; Metropolitan (1990) - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0100142/>; Whit Stillman's 'Metropolitan' 25 Years Later: How it Bec | Indiewire: <http://www.indiewire.com/article/whit-stillmans-metropolitan-25-years-later-how-it-become-a-surprise-indie-hit-20150806>
asciilifeform: i have nfi where they go, perhaps specially designated leprosoria
asciilifeform: one rarely even sees them on streets
BingoBoingo: Basically, Beetus Bitch Betty and her fold mold scare you USians into a clothed state
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, with the poor filter for keeping out undesirables USian 20 somethings are burdened with, nudity invites circus freak disaster
mircea_popescu: "Whit Stillman was born in 1952 and raised in Cornwall in upstate New York, the son of a impoverished débutante from Philadelphia and a Democratic politician from Washington D.C."
mircea_popescu: which is unfortunate, seeing how the whole thing's one huge monologue.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> they're 20somethings who seriously party dressed. << In the US, the hamplanet hazard means 20 somethings gotta party dressed lest people get triggered of ham-raped
mircea_popescu: also the whole cast is INCREDIBLY inept at reading.
asciilifeform has nfi, does not own a torch long enough to cut through the ten layers of wall between him and even nearest window from which lizards might be seen when the planets align.
mircea_popescu: they're 20somethings who seriously party dressed.
asciilifeform: but no, see, these are merely the ablative reactive armour plating for the real lizards!1111
mircea_popescu: chiefly because the ustards are too fucking dumb to even comprehend unintentional selfbattery.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it has everything, including a fucktard who proposes to name themselves "urban haute bourgeoisie"
asciilifeform: 'In an apartment on Manhattan a couple of friends from the New York upper-class meet almost every night to talk about social mobility, play bridge and discuss Fourier's socialism; the cynic Nick, the philosophical Charlie, party girl Sally and austenite Audrey. They are joined by Tom. His background is much simpler and he is critical of their way of life. But he finds a soul mate in Audrey, who without his knowledge falls in l
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: someone's gotta take a hit for the team
mircea_popescu: in other news i just watched the most ridiculous idiocy ever. i'm talking "robot king kong from outer space" level here.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You gotta remember at one point I was able to appreciate the sports stuff that didn't suck for a while. Now I just drink tears as it tears itself appart.
joecool: i read parts of the logs from time to time
mircea_popescu: gotta say i admire your patience with the gawker stuff.
joecool: BingoBoingo: thanks but i *could* do that if i had much to say at the moment
BingoBoingo: In other Gawker Media today from their longest tenured socialist agitator https://archive.is/ILB36
asciilifeform: i ~would~ like to actually discover what the equivalence classes are.
asciilifeform: but does not excuse us from the thinking.
mircea_popescu: "forces one to think" usually works like that - discovers just how many strongmen are there.
asciilifeform heard in another form
mircea_popescu: one of the tests involves one of those boxes with shapes cut into the side and the actual shapes made out of wood outside
mircea_popescu: after ro joins eu, they try to improve the quality of police force. send psychologists to test the policemen
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform : 0, 1, inf. if not one bit, then why not make headers, in ascii ?
assbot: Logged on 18-03-2016 21:34:13; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-03-2016#1436264 << really the problem is that it adds unwarranted complexity. so now we have more bits, yay. do they do anything ? notrly. well if you're going to hire a fortune teller, hire the cheapest not the best. but this aside - the problem you raise is very much a problem, and altogether this thing will have to be worked on moar.
assbot: Logged on 18-03-2016 21:29:18; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-03-2016#1436219 << not at all, i think it's a step in the right direction. i think it also needs more thinking/discussion, but anyway.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-03-2016#1436287 << the thing is not meant to be adopted as is (for one thing, there is no ready orifice for it to climb into atm)
asciilifeform: but the application calls for it imho.
mircea_popescu: the totality of thoughts thought is a legitimate application of pen to paper, is it not.
assbot: Logged on 18-03-2016 21:24:35; mircea_popescu: "The latter act conveys very little useful information, and no permanent sealed record remains of the effort taken to actually understand the patch. This is a Bad Thing" << the thing with this asciilifeform is that on the surface i feel very moved by the notion ; but upon examination it seems to devolve into a sort of enumerating badness ?
mircea_popescu: next they'll be able to ddos.
assbot: Logged on 18-03-2016 19:59:21; asciilifeform: my internal mp also says 'just because you have a pistol which knows how to fire bullets at people you don't like, it does not follow that there must also exist an antipistol which sucks out bullets from people you like'
assbot: Logged on 18-03-2016 19:34:15; asciilifeform: in particular, i believe that satoshi's turd is an abomination and is barely fit for any use at all, and ought to be discarded as soon as a politically reliable alternative exists - but there is no way to infer this from what patches i have signed.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-03-2016#1436264 << really the problem is that it adds unwarranted complexity. so now we have more bits, yay. do they do anything ? notrly. well if you're going to hire a fortune teller, hire the cheapest not the best. but this aside - the problem you raise is very much a problem, and altogether this thing will have to be worked on moar.
assbot: Logged on 18-03-2016 18:23:36; *: asciilifeform prepares a bucket for mircea_popescu to barf into after he reads the 'algebra' piece.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-03-2016#1436219 << not at all, i think it's a step in the right direction. i think it also needs more thinking/discussion, but anyway.
mircea_popescu: but the vector is interesting.
mircea_popescu: "The latter act conveys very little useful information, and no permanent sealed record remains of the effort taken to actually understand the patch. This is a Bad Thing" << the thing with this asciilifeform is that on the surface i feel very moved by the notion ; but upon examination it seems to devolve into a sort of enumerating badness ?
mircea_popescu: it won't make specific forms of derpage tolerable going forward, also, but there was no provision to protect that stuff anyway.
assbot: Logged on 18-03-2016 18:11:44; kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-03-2016#1435731 < not at all - i think there is some merit in the argument in the sense that bitbet will hardly survive the upset its going through now (which is actually devaluating the asset to be liquidated)
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-03-2016#1436209 << the other view being that proving that we can do something no one else can or could do will on the contrary, make this asset as well as all other assets more valuable.
assbot: Logged on 18-03-2016 17:43:18; phf: other signing method is a microdot pattern, you know, to cover all the bases
mircea_popescu: i already am feeling the blessings of engineeringshnu upon my humble abode.
asciilifeform: my internal mp also says 'just because you have a pistol which knows how to fire bullets at people you don't like, it does not follow that there must also exist an antipistol which sucks out bullets from people you like'
asciilifeform: if it is not obvious that this is the only meaninngful decomposition (and it thus far is ~not~ to me!) than the gedankenexperiment fails.
PeterL: one byte commentary is easier to package with payload, rather than trying to reference commentary elsewhere
asciilifeform: and yes, internal-mp says 'stop trying to finesse the basic use case of the forum, don't take the rifle fishing'
asciilifeform: nor any way to convey doubt about meaning or provenance, other than human-readable commentary
asciilifeform: in particular, i believe that satoshi's turd is an abomination and is barely fit for any use at all, and ought to be discarded as soon as a politically reliable alternative exists - but there is no way to infer this from what patches i have signed.
asciilifeform: this has been itching in my head ever since the 'manual gardening' and 'regrind' thread
asciilifeform: the problem i was trying to solve is that it remains painfully underspecified exactly ~what is communicated by the act of sealing~
asciilifeform: but the gedankenexperiment of course offers no simple answer to this. just a possible component of one.
asciilifeform: but rather it is is more for scenarios that may arise in the dark future, when, say, it becomes necessary to purge material from a disgraced lord, and somehow not burn the world down in a chain reaction while so doing
assbot: Logged on 18-03-2016 18:56:27; PeterL: how would v resolve patches with both "trust" signature by one party and "distrust" from another party? I suppose that would be another knob to turn in v settings?
PeterL: how would v resolve patches with both "trust" signature by one party and "distrust" from another party? I suppose that would be another knob to turn in v settings?
trinque: Not only are there times when one would like to seal a payload with a caveat of one kind or another, but presently we have no means of conveying disapproval – other than by refraining from sealing. << check it out, a wrath bit
deedbot-: [Loper OS] Vectored Signatures, or the Elements of a Possible V-Algebra. - http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1545
asciilifeform prepares a bucket for mircea_popescu to barf into after he reads the 'algebra' piece.
kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-03-2016#1435802 < generally in favour - perhaps the 'actual assets' need a more tight spec?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
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kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-03-2016#1435731 < not at all - i think there is some merit in the argument in the sense that bitbet will hardly survive the upset its going through now (which is actually devaluating the asset to be liquidated)
phf: can then manually verify by doing hand rsa. primes and ciphertext are base 10 for human convenience
phf: seems like we just need different signing modes, one of them being, "usenet text" or somesuch, ignores repeat whitespace, only recognizes alphanum and top row symbols, signature in the form, "in the year of our republic such and such i honorable citizen with these two primes which are my identity and my blood indicate the validity of the above text, [primes] [signature ciphertext]"
mircea_popescu: the spanish say it's from taino.
asciilifeform: no potatl ?! the aztec nationalists lied !??!111
asciilifeform: and the crackpot archaeological thing re gilding concerned egyptians, not persians
mircea_popescu: mno, the origins are batata and papa (still used as originally, to distinguish sweet and plain varieties, here)
mircea_popescu: i guess i'm lucky to be in an engineering-internet. were i in a scholarly-internet it'd be all "mp, potato comes from new world therefore everything is invalid!"
mircea_popescu: i think they were gilding things with potatoes
asciilifeform: (anyone recall the ancient persian execution method, with fat wicks?!)
mircea_popescu: would make a pretty great blog topic, you know ? for the numerous bloggers among us constantly looking for stuff to feed the woodchipper with.
PeterL: use some exercicles to power it, for obeasts to put their fat to work?
mircea_popescu: i had but apparently lost a degree of magnitude on the way.
mircea_popescu: o then nm.
mircea_popescu: what do the things actually draw, half a W or something ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how many amps to put on a single breaker is typically not 'rocket surgery' and printed thereupon
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform speaking of plugging into mains, you know that if you bought a bunch of power strips and powered your entire house out of the same socket it'd eventually a) start a fire ; b) pop the fuse ; c) all of the above ?
BingoBoingo: Screw it, upregulates to 160A because it also has to kickstart the flywheel
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: when you plug in one toaster into your mains, and then another, and then a third, how many times the current ?
mircea_popescu: win. and if i add a third, what happens to the current ?
mircea_popescu: tell me this : if you have two 1 ohm items in parallel, at 1 volt ea, what current flows through the main ??
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and you know this for a fact ? maybe the profusion is just because people like encapsulated things.
asciilifeform: one of the reason we have the profusion of bulky chinese wall warts, etc. is the extreme sensitivity of semiconductor to supply v
asciilifeform: this did not even work well for motherfucking arc lights in 1880
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you are missing the key piece
mircea_popescu: to summarize said argument attempts : line 1. "high voltage is dangerous" "mkay, throw out your tv" ; line 2 : "you will have to protect the line" "yes you will" ; line 3 : "this was done historically" "yes it was".
mircea_popescu: uncharitably i might also observe that other than "i say so!" "it's how it's done" "reddit would agree", relatively little actual arguments were brought, which is why the task of poking fun was so easy/the experience so frustrating.
mircea_popescu: I'm not necessarily against taking mp's lines and looking in all the folds carefully ; but it's a little silly to do this run off with what i think an angle might have been, damn everything else.
mircea_popescu: llel of how mp said "^ for the record, i've been divesting, if slowly." and you spent two days going on about 0 value bitcoin, then the interval hence being butthurt that there's no 0 value bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> PeterL: he suggested (i still can't tell if seriously!) to plug them in ~series~ << no dude. he said "see if your isp is willing to give you a c block / upgrade your connection. buy a coupla bridges of 32 or 64, make a high voltage rectifier thingee, and power a bunch of boxes" then you went all crazy about how series omaygerd! and i spent the rest of the interval poking fun at it. this is an exact para
mircea_popescu: jurov> actually, that would neatly solve the mystery of cascading failure of his raid setup << fu georg!
mircea_popescu: PeterL> maybe it is just my lack of electrical engineering knowledge, but it sounds like mircea_popescu and asciilifeform are saying to do the same thing, but won't agree with each other? << you have nfi how often this happens.
BingoBoingo: for aesthetics
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform i think his plan to fight some derps doing black magic is not to squarely ignore them, but to DO THINGS to anti-magic their magic. << Oh it's not a plan. It's noise
jurov: but it's very likely that in absence of other opinions, dpb would actually try it
jurov: asciilifeform: still talked in hypotheticals, i have no indication that actually happened
jurov: no, he just asked the slaves to, like he hih do danielpbarron
jurov: if he had the drives powered in that way
jurov: actually, that would neatly solve the mystery of cascading failure of his raid setup
asciilifeform: so as to avoid the need for a) dozens of 'wall warts' or b) a high current dc power supply.
asciilifeform: PeterL: he suggested (i still can't tell if seriously!) to plug them in ~series~, like christmas lights, to a high voltage line.
PeterL: maybe it is just my lack of electrical engineering knowledge, but it sounds like mircea_popescu and asciilifeform are saying to do the same thing, but won't agree with each other?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: a correct way to 'de-chink' the pogo power source might be, e.g., to connect them all - in parallel - to old soviet car battery charger.
mircea_popescu: decentralization being not the answer, but the problem, in many applications. as seen here.
assbot: Logged on 18-03-2016 14:34:24; mircea_popescu: lol davout while i'm the first friend of humor, or so i like to think, that two weeks tm can't stand there. it can readily be interpreted to mean forever, and that just can't be.
mircea_popescu: the ~only point i made prior to the whole "way things are done!11" explosion was, that for the price of buying extension cords for all the shitty little bricks he can make a central power source himself.
mircea_popescu: anyway, would it make you happier if he puts a transformer in between, takes it from 300 V 1 A to 4.5 V 60 A and then parallels that ?
asciilifeform: but nevertheless exist.
asciilifeform: it coalesces into there being arts mircea_popescu is - apparently - innocent of
mircea_popescu: i've been trying to follow this with the huts etc but it doesn't coallesce into a something.
asciilifeform: and there is no reason to take my word for it, go, try.
asciilifeform: as in, 'your house is really same as my pile of straw, it must be, there is nothing else in the world'
asciilifeform: it was more interesting even, it was about how they do not even see it as a thing
asciilifeform: the one about how the monkeys never invented architecture in the sense of how-to-make-house-stand-up
mircea_popescu: MUST USE THEIR BRIX!!11
mircea_popescu: this is even lulzier than the whole "can't move out of dc" thing.
mircea_popescu: so then what ?
mircea_popescu: "oh noes, the car will run into a wall!11"
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-03-2016#1435838 << classical telco. but the batteries were IN PARALLEL
assbot: Logged on 18-03-2016 13:25:04; jurov: asciilifeform: if he is fine with serially connecting elements with wildly variable resistances to 300V, no wonder he's fine with many other interesting things :)
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-03-2016#1435837 << student exercise - prove that the 10 (usa) or 20 (eu) pogo garland will necessarily explode if they all enter cpu halt mode.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think his plan to fight some derps doing black magic is not to squarely ignore them, but to DO THINGS to anti-magic their magic.
jurov: it's simple, he transcended the slavery by referring to himself by his wot nick
mircea_popescu: if i ever open a brothel here, we'll have a rsa night.
assbot: Logged on 18-03-2016 14:46:05; mircea_popescu: (and yes in that month i can do the fucking rsa exponentiation on paper three times over.)
asciilifeform: (and when it doesn't, result has little to do with finding of fact and much to do with game-theoretical game of 'chicken')
asciilifeform: the 'prima facie' thing usually carries, afaik.
assbot: Logged on 18-03-2016 14:43:36; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-03-2016#1435825 << you ever saw someone do the verify thing with old style signatures ?
mircea_popescu: well then not terribly off.
PeterL: asciilifeform I just realized I answered your question wrong, I am not aztec, I'm good old English-American. My brother married into Aztec.
BingoBoingo: Also the consonants have to be able to survive a prnounced slur
jurov: some germans insist to call me "georg" even without any substances involved. the original is apparently too hard
mircea_popescu: at least if they had the fucking decency to be funny about it, lord derp and hurrserl and shit. but no, "chocolate".
BingoBoingo: But when you drink in the manner I am inclined to you gotta have something you can pronounce
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i don't use aliases even in promiscuity. everyone's "vampyre lord" and "celeste" and what the fuck not, i'm mircea popescu
BingoBoingo always though NOT using aliases at the bar was inviting unnecessary risk
PeterL: Me nephew has to say his name several times before any new acquaintances get it, my brother named him Tlazohtlalia
BingoBoingo: But Back when I did the bar thing I'd use different names at each bar generally
BingoBoingo: <PeterL> when you meet a girl at the bar, do you introduce yourself "Hi, I'm BingoBoingo"? << It's an occasion to use the legacy identfier
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PeterL: when you meet a girl at the bar, do you introduce yourself "Hi, I'm BingoBoingo"?
mircea_popescu: (and yes in that month i can do the fucking rsa exponentiation on paper three times over.)
mircea_popescu: (for the curious, the way private sealed writs work in fiat court is, the presumed author is confronted with them. if he accepts them all is fine, if however he repudiates them the circus starts, because the case forks into a sub-case about whether the item is genuine or not, gotta have witnesses as to the writ, experts as to the writ, you can be there a month with the piece of paper.)
assbot: Logged on 18-03-2016 12:20:36; asciilifeform: also i would like to watch mp or anyone actually ~do~ the 'hand verify' thing.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-03-2016#1435825 << you ever saw someone do the verify thing with old style signatures ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> danielpbarron and what if they can't fit down the chute ? << Plop them on top of a chute and wait for the fold mold to liquefy them
mircea_popescu: i always thought "the path to destruction is broad" just gave measure of the argot prescience of the king james bible and it really means "the path to destruction is woman".
mircea_popescu: i must say i'm pretty impressed with this darkcoin thing and with the chinese govt generally. a) no idiotic derpage a la "bitlicense" ; b) actually prosecute scammers.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well If I really am a sunni I gotta take from the Jews and the Christians, because that's how history works
mircea_popescu: aite then.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Until I finish a religious tract Imma just treat satisfying the will of the gods as alternately a question of conduct and business
solrodar: BingoBoingo: indeed it is complex, and so if bettors have to take a haircut because mircea_popescu is senior, then that's fine, as long as there's a justification for it
mircea_popescu: how to act correctly (ethics) ; how to satisfy the will of gods (morals) ; how to run your business (equity).
BingoBoingo: morality is the just conduct of business
mircea_popescu: lol davout while i'm the first friend of humor, or so i like to think, that two weeks tm can't stand there. it can readily be interpreted to mean forever, and that just can't be.
BingoBoingo: solrodar: I'm suggesting it as a rabbit hole to read moar on to understand how complex the matter of claims is, not strictly legally but morally
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo is this getting people to read up on the complex topic of patrimonial dispositions or prior art ?
mircea_popescu: why not have discretion to also determine the count of bitcoin in existence, while at it.
BingoBoingo: solrodar: Are you familiar with the "mechanics lien"
solrodar: well, if the receiver has discretion to reject claims then he also should have discretion to determine the seniority of claims
mircea_popescu: and yes, I don't intend to follow fiat practice in THIS particular respect : that it's always willing to add complexity for the sake of satisfying fee-fees.
mircea_popescu: they're not required by the model, and there's no indication they add justifiable complexity ; not to mention they're not even defined, or by all appearances definable.
mircea_popescu: solrodar i am not entertaining your concepts of "non-urgent", and so i won't be showing anything about them.
mircea_popescu: but ftr it's slowly dawning on me just how god damned ~HARD~ it is to speak in the forum. all sorts of separations, between descriptive and prescriptive, between time ; between causes and effects, between roles and hierarchies... jesus god how does anyone even keep it straight.
solrodar: or why all suppliers are necessarily in the same class
mircea_popescu: "if you didn't need to pay him as a supplier, fuck him". how's the receiver to justify this "downgrade" ?