phf: That's fair, but mostly because the whole thing is a fiction
phf: You can store other things in arrays that are not chars, like pointers
mircea_popescu: or otherwise : why the fuck would i use anything but strings if the only way to access elements is through a n-th reference.
phf: There are dodgy array like things, that are not actually arrays. Like php that has dictionaries, and uses those to emulate arrays using something they call associative arrays
phf: Nah, universally. A significant property of arrays shared across languages is that they give you some guarantees about access time, space utilization
mircea_popescu: these are associative arrays, key ai, value bi.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck not ?
phf: Well you can't do a[-1] because array indexing don't go that way. Can write two arrays a and b and make [n] access one or the other depending on the value
mircea_popescu: why, not able to also rebase the links in question ?
phf: Right now there's a nice property of clicking old links in log and being redirected to new logger
phf: Then going to lose all old links
mircea_popescu: there's a rule you can't index by negative numbers ?
mircea_popescu: there's nothing inherently inferior about black oops i mean negative numbers, is there ?
mircea_popescu: but yes a proper bouncer log would be better, save you the gaps you know ?
phf: Unless somebody steps forward who had a bouncer instance running since the early days
phf: If you can pack&upload from 2012 to date above, I can integrate them
mircea_popescu: but of course they're only while i personallt was on
mircea_popescu: **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Apr 12 23:03:54 2012 < i have them earlier
mircea_popescu: in other news, "Chamicka, age 14, says she accepted Hot Pockets frozen toaster sandwiches for sex and would gladly do it again.Nicole, age 15, says her and her 14 year old sister had sex with a man for a double cheeseburger. Whether it was the cheeseburger meal, and if it was supersized, was not made clear. And Chiquanna, age 14, says she had sex for a lobster buffet dinner."
asciilifeform: at this point i'm not even sure whether most reddit userz are even made of meat
mircea_popescu: im fucking confused, reading lafond on one screen, talking to you here, and you don't use the same word for websocialmedia
mircea_popescu: i dunno that there's that many sexually active womenz on reddit. seems mostly BingoBoingo's mayogenders & weirdo bois.
asciilifeform: and the chix can't all ride
asciilifeform: but plox call things as they are, it is not erections that are scarce, but that mircea_popescu has only 1 cock afaik
mircea_popescu: ima start s.malebrothel
mircea_popescu: the supply is utterly constrained, no matter how you dish it
asciilifeform: but they want enough-mp
diana_coman: fwiw my understanding of that is simply that there are a whole lot of women around who can't get enough
mircea_popescu: erection is "cheapest thing in the world" in the sense "sword in battlefield is cheapest thing in the world". in yo dreams.
asciilifeform: the sort where it is wholly imaginated?
asciilifeform: erection is cheapest thing in the world
mircea_popescu: you get 9 tools type A to 10 tools type B ; all the B's work, about half the A's work and while Bs are always on As are on 1% of the time or so.
mircea_popescu: see alfie, erections are scarce now that they have a cure for it.
mircea_popescu: "The white men that were visible were all driving; either cop cars or luxury sedans and SUVs. One SUV-load of stoned and drunk white men were shadowing a group of three black girls, calling out the window asking about prices, assuming they were hookers. A young guy standing at the stop next to me yelled to the insane looking Eastern European drunk that was hanging out the window, Yo fool, they either givin it away or ki
diana_coman: but it's not really clear what that is in itself anyway and then it gets mingled with what is actually said
diana_coman: I increasingly get the impression that you are trying to answer in that post to what you perceive to be people's actual ideas of the thing, but
mircea_popescu: diana_coman i believe it's not so different from any other simplified approach, such as johnny bravo seeing hot mammas all around ; or else orc warrior seeing world in terms of threats etc.
mircea_popescu: unrelatedly, this theory that baltimore riots is directly resulting from john hopkins hospital/uni buying gangland, much like flooding of a spot of floor is directly resulting from broom pushing on the other side of puddle is rather interesting.
diana_coman: well, going back to the "interact with reality on different levels" thing might make it perhaps clearer: would this "millionaire vision" be basically a superior level of interaction?
mircea_popescu: because i have no confidence the million is in any way related. it would seem to me the better is truly at issue.
diana_coman: I read that as an implied millionaire=better otherwise why not right it as such: people who are millionaires, are millionaries
mircea_popescu: which is why i didn't approach the matter in ethical terms at all ; much to pete's displeasure.
diana_coman: mk, a state of vision so then what does this have to do with "being better" at all?
mircea_popescu: being "a millionaire" is much like "being really scary". it's not something the thing IS, it's something the subject perceives.
mircea_popescu: much like any other psychosis.
mircea_popescu: mno. at best it is a state of vision, and thus entirely unrelated to the object,
diana_coman: I suppose the difference comes at heart from defining millionaire as a state of being and thus an inevitable characteristic of the essence of a person (that's my understanding of your position)
mircea_popescu: in purely atomic terms they're incredibly mutable, and a rather good approximation of "random pile of carbon nuclei".
mircea_popescu: as far as this aspriational "being X" is concerned, yeah, they're closer to immutable than anything else.
diana_coman: so no, adults do not turn into anything other than corpse by the previous definition, but they do not remain immutable really, precisely as they were, precisely what they will always be
mircea_popescu: the whole point is that you can "be" a millionaire in the exact sense you can "be" a wife ; or a tree can "be" yours.
diana_coman: adults are adults or is now millionaire some other thing in there in between child-adult-corpse-dead?
mircea_popescu: you're not about to try and parlay the fact that the space of possibility is narrower than the space of representations into some sort of dilemma ?
mircea_popescu: life isn't "whatever we make of it", but a rather well constrained biological process.
mircea_popescu: they turn to corpses.
diana_coman: if they don't change*
diana_coman: mk, so an adult is set then to whatever s/he is; is that your position above that people don't change? (I still don't see how is this really reconciled with "they turn to shit as they age!!" - if they change, they can't turn to anything )
mircea_popescu: juveniles aren't the animal in any other consideration or context. they WILL be the animal at some point, sure. but the very point of juvenility is they aren't.
diana_coman: it's not about collective-bargaining, it's about the fact that all of a sudden it seems we are talking about different entities, so we need to set the definitions somehow
mircea_popescu: adults of the hs species.
diana_coman: mk; define people then
mircea_popescu: whether other items are or aren't people has no bearing on the fact that children aren't however.
diana_coman: by that measure old people aren't people and idiots aren't people and non-millionaires aren't people and yeah, sure, there's nothing left to discuss either
diana_coman: and if people don't change, then get yourself a newborn and tell me how is s/he the millionaire
mircea_popescu: to quote marsellus "the punk" wallace, " You see, this profession is filled to the brim with unrealistic motherfuckers. Motherfuckers who thought their ass would age like wine. If you mean it turns to vinegar, it does. If you mean it gets better with age, it don't. "
diana_coman: except some actually improve as they age
mircea_popescu: some quicker than others.
mircea_popescu: people turn to shit as they age, and that's all.
diana_coman: hm: a. people change who they are all the time really (think dementia for a clear example, not that all are through illness or that radical)
mircea_popescu: the same exact action, in the hand of the idiot is an idiocy ; and in the hand of the millionare, millionarcy. hence the ancient "there's no such thing as your idea" thread
mircea_popescu: well no. it's a matter of being what they are. hence the ancient "you can't just power cycle a box with no idea of what you are doing".
diana_coman: it's not a matter of doing X or Y, but rather HOW one does X or Y
diana_coman: nope, nor can it be; my observation for what it's worth is that people interact with reality at different levels basically, as they can
mircea_popescu: "At the very least, they need to do what they can do, as it were" << but this is not ~specific~.
diana_coman: heh, was I having so much fun that it's unclear whether I am serious or having fun? lolz
diana_coman: don't millionaires really get there by reading guides?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> pete_dushenski: being the pig is also +ev until christmas. << he has a point. "renegotiable" when your side of the negotiation is pack it and leave and their side is "take it or leave it" is insanity on a stick.
mircea_popescu: phf> so you generally have two problems, one is "how do i group together multiple source code files in order to indicate they are part of same codebase", second is "how do i indicate dependency of this codebase on this other codebase" and third is "how do i autodownload things from internet" <<< all of which are really "how do i install v"
mircea_popescu: is there website yet ? ?? ????!
deedbot-: [Ossasepia] The Coolest Guide to Coolness, Riches, Ginger and Spice - http://www.dianacoman.com/2016/04/02/the-coolest-guide-to-coolness-riches-ginger-and-spice/
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski interesting! so one can either borrow at a low rate and expect no return, or borrow at a high rate and pray for a return?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: nevermind that the tools in 'hackerspaces' are invariably so completely out of true as to be useless
phf: the one where people can tokenize and write queries and shit
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: what's the exciting part? this happens allt he fucking time
phf: which returns 29-08-2015 14:14:55 <mircea_popescu> maybe you're right, and it's incidentals. or maybe lisp to the young mind is like meth-lsd
asciilifeform: phf: toggleable whitespace word boundaries would be useful but i argue that if we can only have one thing, we oughta have the thing you linked to.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> ideally, they go in the form of renting time from a workshop wtf is this my garage is my workshop artisan thing. << Arises from the idea that public tools are icky
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: 5, but my dick has been inside 1 of them so 20% interesting rate.
asciilifeform: phf: if i could choose between rent and seasickness, i would choose the latter.
asciilifeform: hell, if you can do remote, why even live on land and pay rent like an idiot. live on a motherfucking ship.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Only people I know from timisoara left there.
pete_dushenski: " With only 7% of Canadians having mortgage terms between six and 10 years, long terms are not a popular choice in Canada. They are even less popular amongst younger age groups at only 3% uptake in ages 18-34."
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo, phf: ever actually connect over satellite ? the lag is atrocious
BingoBoingo: <phf> proper way to deal with iowa is buy a house, get your 800$/mo satellite internet (not even checking what's available, why bother), and do your aerospace/banking/medical it consulting work remote << In Iowa you can probably get fiber internet unless you conciously decide to farm or hermit
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: being the pig is also +ev until christmas.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell ben_vulpes it may well be that i hail from narnia, but yes, interest rates and house prices are inversely correlated. furthermore, and i forget sometimes that americans lock in rates for entire mortgages, but canadians typically renegotiate their rates every 5 years. longer terms are available, but it's been +ev to take shorter terms for so long that i don't know of a single homeowner who doesn't do 5-year term
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: 'how do i remove the alligator from my bath'
asciilifeform: the third one is not a problem !
phf: so you generally have two problems, one is "how do i group together multiple source code files in order to indicate they are part of same codebase", second is "how do i indicate dependency of this codebase on this other codebase" and third is "how do i autodownload things from internet"
phf: also proper slad should be smart about resource handling on fork, like sockets. i think this is all somehow handled by the vm, but you still want to explore it
jurov: and i wondered whether it's me or swan is really so cranky
trinque: for now I'll just turd out a save-lisp-and-die and go from there
pete_dushenski called out the fact that "fixed veedubs" will be worth ~more~ than their unneutered counterparts on the used market. this confirms it.
phf: the whole swank debug on error thing is just not as good as Squeak/smalltalk
pete_dushenski: ty cycle brought on by changes in engine programming may significantly reduce the time between major services for TDI engines coupled to a manual transmission." << /me falls off chair
pete_dushenski: "Drivers may notice a decrease in fuel efficiency of between 5 and 32 percent, depending on climate, engine model year, and driving habits. Some drivers may also notice a decrease in power under certain conditions, such as full-throttle driving or highway operation. In some tests, the power rating of the VW TDI engine was affected by as much as 26 percent during full-throttle operation in cold climates. Finally, the increas
pete_dushenski: http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/04/leaked-volkswagen-sends-ecoplus-diesel-fix-to-customer/
phf: trinque: so just deploy the way you would normally deploy and write a simple set of operator commands (or even a menu driven thing) for repl, that you can control things over. "press 1 to asdf reload :FOO package, press 2 to reinitilize data, etc."
phf: jurov: i can often get slightly better performance out of cmucl than out of c on critical paths, so that was purely algorithmic question under the assumption that i can easily get within same ballpark with the right algo
jurov: phf you're really saying 2x slowdown factor of lisp vs. C is bad and should be further optimized?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
PeterL: what if you heat the hydrogen?
PeterL: but nature abhors a vacuum, would be like inciting the wrath of God
PeterL: use atomic instead of molecular hydrogen - half the mass, so lifts twice as much!
pete_dushenski: "The Local Dirigible Manufacturing requirement is expected to kickstart a nascent aerospace industry in Alberta, furthering government’s effort to diversify the economy. " << kek
phf: fare had to make "hacking on asdf" videos just to get people to read the damn thing
asciilifeform: but roaches show up as quickly as they come to a newly-built block of flats in nyc
phf: i'd read it to figure out what the "improvements" are, but i can't, because the new code is ~insane~
asciilifeform: which is one of the resons thinking folk so often succumb to the temptation of 'let's make a lang'
phf: ches in the walls. dodgy/clever hacks, "modern ecosystem" "improvements", etc. etc.
phf: from the world of lisp rot, asdf, the `make' of common lisp, has been gaining features for a while now to the point that it contains all kinds of crazy shit, like a fullblown cross-lisp compatibility layer for various file operations, etc. so i pulled version 1.369, last one before faré took over the operations, it is 75kb vs current 560k (which is itself packed from a large repo). not surprisingly it works, but when it doesn't it exposes cockroa
PeterL: just outsource law enforcement all the way and make it illegal for people to break the laws!
asciilifeform: thin end of the funnel.
asciilifeform: they could as easily do it on isp end.
trinque: asciilifeform: there are direct messages on reddit
asciilifeform: what is there even to surveil on reddit.
asciilifeform: 'Social networking forum reddit on Thursday removed a section from its site used to tacitly inform users it had never received a certain type of U.S. government surveillance request, suggesting the platform is now being asked to hand over customer data under a secretive law enforcement authority.'
asciilifeform: 'It is improper. Enumerations must always be made of items of the same kind. It's not enough that the items answer to the same purpose. They must actually be of the same kind.' << aaaaand this is how we learned that mircea_popescu , under the cover of darkness, programs! in ada !1111
jurov: deedbot-: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20160401/attachment.txt?sha1=c2d703eeb8d0553a3e66e2a981b99efe2f94b155
phf: (Erm `room' on a lisp says how much you're using rather than how much is left)
mircea_popescu: phf how much is the actual log incidentally ? i see well over 600mb here.
mircea_popescu: this is the golden means between the abaccus of filling the log with #twitter #dumb #shit and the insanity of string-searching gb of material each pageload.
phf: yeah, that's what i'm thinking, and then things like $#434 will just have whatever own buckets that they want
mircea_popescu: if he doesn't like space as a tokenizer he has other issues.
mircea_popescu: i tell you : store the thing as trees.
mircea_popescu: the white people like it because it certifies their interesting-ness, just like a neglected housewife is flattered by the attention of pubescent makes. the government engages in the behaviour because it is a pubescent male. win-win as they say.
mircea_popescu: which latter category the whole "datamining/surveillance" crap is all about.
mircea_popescu: looky : there's many kinds of know. couple lives across the hall from you. you "know" they're probably fucking now and again. this is very different from teenager spying through door cracks to catch glimpses.
mircea_popescu: what, there's a relation between knowledge and action now ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there are entire office bldgs where they do nothing but hear out stoolies of all colours
mircea_popescu: why can't it ask them ? ha! because it's made up of pasty white boys. it can't ask them for the same reasonh the pasty ass white boys individually can't ask the cashiers for a blowjob.
mircea_popescu: usg would like to know as much as black min wage workers ; but it can't ask them
mircea_popescu: "The NEWS will depict this violence as a protest gone out of control. However, as of 11:00 a.m. black female cashiers at the Shoppers supermarket at Mondawmin mall knew through social media that riots were being planned by high school studentsan attack from students at one school [Frederick Douglas high School] on the very shopping center their parent's patronized." << this actuallyt is very illustrative of the whole "spyi
asciilifeform: fella thought, as they often do, that 'deserved moar!1111'
asciilifeform: srsly they never even so much as said a rude word.
mircea_popescu: eh the fear is always overstated.
asciilifeform: the sea even stinks correctly, per my lights
asciilifeform: i enjoy taking day trips there
mircea_popescu: "Im over six miles from the city line, among townhomes that go for 400K, walking through a park that is a slice of solitude during the day and a gauntlet at night; a park where I have seen two gangs parley in a formal manner as I pretended to be some homeless slob on the next bench, and where, this time last year, I saw a white stoner in his 20s trying to talk his girl into getting into a van full of black guys as she crie
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: how does leased electricmobile that will work hummingly and economically for three years until returned to mothership compare to plastic food that becomes part of one's body ?
mircea_popescu: nono, the pet dildo.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there ~were~ steam diddlers in 1880s
mircea_popescu: im surprised these don't exist, ftr.
mircea_popescu: new from honda : the combination hitachi-tamaguchi
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they make even chainsaws
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: for the automologists, mind sharing make, model, and year ?
ben_vulpes: microelectric shitmobile is economical in the same way that ersatz american cheese is economical
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: does the woman drive ?
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: cars ? just two, soon to be whittled back down to 1, but then perhaps back to two.
ben_vulpes: mostly because i intend to own the thing for over a decade, and not drive it a whole lot.
ben_vulpes: i'll take the odd thousand dollar charge over a car lease.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: how many of these do you have now ?
pete_dushenski: hard to beat $81/mo with another few bucks for leccy.
ben_vulpes: btw, where is the epic mp asciilifeform thread about tuning the nonce shifting to ensure nodes have a market for their digests?
ben_vulpes: not a lot of time to get keccak into the hairball.
mircea_popescu: what, you think just because xtianity pretended to quarrel with itself, socialism is anything other than catolicism now ?!
mircea_popescu: but they did buy into supernatural claptrap.
asciilifeform: interesting in that it refuted orwell's argument in re how folks renouncing their 'i'm a precious snowzflake!111 individual!' thing and dying with hounour have to buy into supernatural claptral
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the reason "no one can take from you" is because it's been taken already. sorta like nobody can burn water or steal the intelligence of mongoloids.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i understand why you pick example of feudal battlefield, rather than red army, but the latter was actually the state of the art afaik.
asciilifeform: (and yes, eventually it leads to the pork shop)
mircea_popescu: (also more intensive use of capital : took 5 swings of the sword before running away, instead of 4. sword-on-battlefield is the eminent capital of feudalism)
asciilifeform: because the ONLY THING no one can ever take from you is the icecream you ATE YESTERDAY
asciilifeform: this is why i always had sympathy with the folks who pete_dushenski enjoys feeling superior to.
mircea_popescu: same headcount of cattle, weirs and lands to distribute as squires, stronger army nevertheless.
mircea_popescu: investing is, by and large, the capitalist equivalent of honorable in fedualism. the country with more honorable barons had a better footing in war.
mircea_popescu: it doesn't do much for the individual.
mircea_popescu: PeterL it works for the group. a society with better investment policies will have more intensive usage of capital and thus drive other societies out
asciilifeform: at least in the mythical sense of 'i put value in and arbitrarily later i get at least this much out NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS'
mircea_popescu: efficiency works, in the sense that the more efficient corporation will drive the others out. but this is a business, not a household concern.
asciilifeform: PeterL: ask this after you buy a bunch today, and mircea_popescu drops the nuke in the great phorkwarz of july
asciilifeform: (mortification of the flesh, saving pennies, etc.)
asciilifeform: well no shit, i will have no say in who eats the pork.
mircea_popescu: infantine equivalencies you propose to the world notwithstanding, as they have no standing.
mircea_popescu: the cunt's experience in fucking whatever penis is not related to this in any sense.
mircea_popescu: in the illustration used, the cunt has the CAPACITY to procreate, with whatever man, as a function of whether it works or does not work. if it has the capaqcity to procreate, it will procreate. if it doesn't procreate, it's because IT didn';t work, NOT because the cock was black.
mircea_popescu: part one. you said "i've never done 'honest work' in my whole life, phf." ; and "mircea_popescu has a spiffy article, about folks 'worth their weight in frozen pork'". this equivocates experience with capacity.
mircea_popescu: you keep making these whole insane jumps. first you went from "cunt works or doesn't work" to "cunt has or hasn't previous experience with black cock". now you went from "you want to not be poor, gotta act like it" to "why is mp not storing cheese in bottles and shoes on hooks".
asciilifeform: i am left to wonder, clearly mircea_popescu has a very high opinion of orc scum, why doesn't he recruit ~them~ to write his softs, run his companies, etc. ?
mircea_popescu: rather remarkable Caucasian ass. She is spreading her legs to get lower for him. When I pass again coming back from the cooler he has had the decency to push her up against the wall so that she is not exposed to passersby. After their ten minute tryst they shop for another 20 minutes and then leave hand-in-hand."
mircea_popescu: ff of her as she staggers and drools in the aisle. He has a powder blue hat. She carries a finely stitched black leather purse about the size of one of her shoes. They cannot decide who should be pushing the cart. They head back to the womens room and have sex standing up, between the stall doors and the sink, with the door wide open. She is bent over the sink and he is having a hard time getting his pelvis level with her
mircea_popescu: "A very attractive couple enters and begins shopping with a basket. She is tall, elegant, and white, not busty enough to pose in playboy, and not thin enough to model clothes. She is beautiful in the very high heels she can barely stand on, doing the dopefiend lean as she is. Her date is a short muscular black man with his pants actually buckled around his waist. They are in their late twenties and he cant keep his hands o
mircea_popescu: go to baltimore, start gang, keep it cheap, effective and lean. under the pressure of all the other idiots nobody can afford to engage you, too painful bite for the calories contained, in twenty years trade the president his life in exchange for his daughter.
phf: buy dirty potato, clean it, sell it, buy two dirty potatoes, clean them, sell them, then your father dies and leaves you the estate
asciilifeform: the 'make a budget' and 'don't drink through your whole wage' thing is REASONABLE as 'how to not GO IDIOT BROKE' advice
mircea_popescu: i guess we collectivelly just lost the past 5 minutes huh.
asciilifeform: well as i gather mircea_popescu's answer was 'you could start doing 17 yo work for shit wage' and i answer 'why the fuck should i a single day earlier than forced to.'
phf: the mentality here is "i'm fucking all kinds of scum, but at least it's not a black fella"
mircea_popescu: so : whether cunt works or not is a separate and distinct consideration from whether cunt ever did it with black cock before.
asciilifeform: count me as thick, i dun see the connection.
mircea_popescu: how would this circumstance influence their capacity to in the future conceive a baby with their putative black lover ?
mircea_popescu: do you know any women who've never fucked a black guy in their life ?
mircea_popescu: these are unrelated considerations.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu has a spiffy article, about folks 'worth their weight in frozen pork'
phf: asciilifeform: there are also much much better conditions
asciilifeform: phf: there are much worse conditions!
phf: and the shop itself was how i imagine alf shop is, a small group of math/compsci grads doing peanut work under inhumane conditions
mircea_popescu: and given that, it's incredible the females aren't actively pursuing prostitution.
mircea_popescu: it's incredible what the grads will take,
mircea_popescu: clearly the downdraft of "phd work"
phf: the offer was so ridiculous, i couldn't even consider it. the woman in charge thought she was being generous!
phf: i once interviewed for an interesting problem shop, that was a upenn spinoff of some ph.d. thesis work, results could be immediately applied in oil refinery optimizations
asciilifeform: and there was also to be reversing, of juicy things, but turned out that (apparently) i could only be used for it if i agreed to usgrasty
phf: academic offshoots treat their engineers the way they do grad students, because the two are usually the same and equally replaceable
phf: oh, i grok the "go pound pavement" reason now
mircea_popescu: i'd imagine it's the control structures / branching that's problematic
mircea_popescu: actually thast should ber the easy part neh ?
phf: ah, the second kind
mircea_popescu: then eminently commutable ?
asciilifeform: turns out, there were worse things.
mircea_popescu: "ha! joke's on him, i took them off first."
mircea_popescu: you remind me of that joke of the young slut.
asciilifeform: 'we must all grunt on the stake!111 for victory111'