ben_vulpes: what it's not streaming to the browser for rendering with js over websocket?!?!?!?!?!
ben_vulpes: how does search work on the new logz?
mircea_popescu: read a shooting script once, notice all the capitalised terms ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it's much easier than you think, because the rigours of producing explained obliquely somewhere on trilema actually force a very strict and mechanical language.
ben_vulpes: imagine what the third congress will have
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: what, you think i'm so foolish as to try semantic analysis on...all of the scripts?
mod6: it's almost like the second congress is in session
mod6: holy shit there's a log
mircea_popescu: and to think that if these people were just sold into slavery instead, everyone'd be better off, their misfortunate parents first and foremost.
mircea_popescu: you just doing the software for some idiots with too mcuh money because hey, ustardism/ngo ; and it won't work without data which they won't be able to get ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes is your classifier based on what, the scripts ?
ben_vulpes has spent an inordinate amount of time coercing a proprietary db to shit more instances of itself out, is rather fed up with proprietary things
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tw | tw. abbreviation for trigger warning warns the audience that the following media may be triggering for mental disorders such as eating disorders, self harm/injury, ...
ben_vulpes: hanbot is not "woman" in the same way that mod6 is not "redditor"
mircea_popescu: hanbot seems to have made a bundle out of selling bile and lemonade squirts to the eye!
mircea_popescu: i dunno, by same theory woman is worth more than her earrings!
mircea_popescu: well the foundation is mebbe worth a little mroe than its chest.
mod6: that's about 2x the foundation for sure.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo hasn't done the math to see what qntra is worth lately
mircea_popescu: there's worse fates fs.
mod6: No education that you could buy could compare to the last four years.
mircea_popescu: at the time trilema readership was mostly ro dudes.
mod6: Yeah, was the autumn of '11.
mod6 remembers translating all of the original MPOE text from .ro
mircea_popescu recalls the time when mpoe divs were easily in the k's of btcs and mpex barely counted in the mix.
mike_c: and not a bad thing either for it to be restructured. things change, quickly around here. I was just pointing out that s.mpoe was a steady ride up until the death of mpoe-pr, and then bumpiness ensued.
mircea_popescu: mike_c> yeah. well, how long could mpoe have survived without mpoe-pr? << in fairness... mpex listed itself by reverse-merger with the then-listed mpoe ; which continued operation as a distinct profit center but that has meanwhile discontinued. it's such a historical layering of evolutions etc that some restructuring years later seems inevitable.
mod6: took me a while to get my conf setup the way i liked it, but its been pretty much the same now for 10 years probably.
shinohai likes the ability to switch between cli or webclient at any time.
mircea_popescu: ideally, while the work is never easy, it's easiest for the one doing it. at least, if capital allocation works worth a shit.
mike_c: Quite the clean shutdown of a huge listing too
mod6: maybe a good time to take the chance to say; Thanks for all the hard work over the years. I gather that it's far from easy. Salud!
mike_c: I assume mpif can't be far behind, given the lack of anything worth investing in.. talk about a dead zone for btc income investing.
mod6: wow. just saw the news.
mike_c: is it still up in the air?
mike_c: i see mp saying "i've got the coin but am verifying lists", but not where that ended up.
mike_c: after much combing of logs and blogs, I can't figure out whether mp decided that davout was actually due another 200 btc and disbursement is pending, or if lists were still being checked and there was not yet agreement
BingoBoingo: No, the point is it is safest for them to stay because of their immobilities and condishuns
mircea_popescu: for the love of fuck. how can people be this thick.
mircea_popescu: OMFG! so these useless imbeciles have added every last thing to utf EXCEPT A TITS GLYPH ?
mircea_popescu: phf what's the most referenced line plox ?
mircea_popescu: is there anything substantially wrong with just polling a rss feed whenever your server feels like it ?
mircea_popescu: trinque can you accommodate the gent ?
mike_c: not really. I currently suck in daily dumps. I'd be open to some more realtime arrangement, which would require further thought
mircea_popescu: (the word = significantly)
mircea_popescu: anyway. epsilon just means "very small", in which case the sentence works. i think i actually like your definition better, in which case the word is used frivolously, for stylistic effect.
jurov: unless there are negative numbers in play or somesuch
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron> i love the new log! v.nice with the back and forward reference thing << am i missing something ?
adlai now being contract-free, nestles down to read that other 'closing statement'
mircea_popescu: but really, can there be timestamp ? maybe http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-04-21-53#1445586 or somesuch ?
mircea_popescu: ditching the timestamps explicitly i can see, roll-over seems better
BingoBoingo: <jurov> he basically said that the notion that some pretend-sovereign may have caused closure of bitbet is utterly ridiculous << Well gotta consider what happened soon after S.Dice delisted
jurov: i did not know what to make of it and how it goes together
diana_coman: I don't see the link fiat pretend-sovereign - bbet
diana_coman: the way I read it, it says: a. the fiat pretend-sovereign has nothing to do with mpex going private b. bitbet did NOT die because of 17 btc
diana_coman: jurov, do you mean this: The notion that some fiat pretend-sovereign or other has anything to do with this measure is significantly less sensible than the notion that 17 Bitcoin and change is what caused the closure of Bitbet, as ridiculous as that notion may be.?
asciilifeform: if i had to guess, from my grossly inadequate picture, why he did it, why not the simple hypothesis - buy it back while it is mega-cheap
jurov: he basically said that the notion that some pretend-sovereign may have caused closure of bitbet is utterly ridiculous
asciilifeform: mp's productions are so opaque that i cannot even conjecture about the mechanics, which is, i suppose, precisely how he likes it.
jurov: ^ calling our resident conspiration theorist asciilifeform: why mircea_popescu feels necessary to draw parallels with bitbet?
jurov: Fits the mythology, i guess.
shinohai also likes the dragon ...
trinque: yep the reference links are very nice. thanks phf!
diana_coman: ha, love the dragon
phf: since i fucked up the timezone again, had to refresh the log, so now inaugural first #t-a post belongs to diana_coman
asciilifeform would like to know who imagined that any of these folks paid tax !
asciilifeform: 'The Panama secrecy leak claimed its first casualty after Iceland’s Prime Minister Sigmundur David Gunnlaugsson resigned following allegations he had sought to hide his wealth and dodge taxes.'
asciilifeform: in other lulz, http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-04-05/iceland-pm-resigns-following-protests-over-offshore-investments
mircea_popescu: bickering endlessly in that tedious, god forsaken unreadable style of dostoyevski's, about who should have done what or w.e the fuck , i can never finish a page of his dialogue.
asciilifeform: rather it is 'day job as usual', no ?
mircea_popescu: on the other hand, imagine the october revolution if EVERYONE involved had stayed small time govt clerk/whatever the fuck they were. a ?
mircea_popescu: he ~grew~ with the fucking thing.
mircea_popescu: senescence'd be fine, if the neotenous corpses HAD GROWN AT SOME FUCKING POINT.
mircea_popescu: from its humble beginnings as "i dunno if i'm ready for you to move in yet" to its full blown "i'm in bitcoin hurr durr", it's the same thing.
asciilifeform: part of it is the senescence thing
asciilifeform: recall the 'biological stages' thread ?
mircea_popescu: people want to have achieved rather than achieve, apparently. it seems to me a modern affliction, this, but who even knows.
mircea_popescu: and i suspect a lot of the popular hatred of inflation has absolutely nothing to do with inflation's ills, but quite the opposite ; and instead is a nude and rude displeasure at this "oh, now that i'm on the pig i can't just sit here and pick my nose ?!?!" thing
adlai: all i know is that the 'accounts' abomination thinks i move more coin than s.mpoe at peak frenzy
asciilifeform: 13:54 <+mircea_popescu> fuck, or get off the pig. << win!
mircea_popescu: adlai ok ok, but the discussion is re old timers that got left behind. you're what, 2015 ?
adlai: mircea_popescu: member of the peanut gallery, warmer of bleachers, leader of cheering squad, etc.
mircea_popescu: fuck, or get off the pig.
asciilifeform: rather than a fixed parcel
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i thought the moral of that snippet was that the folks somehow believed that they had a ~share~
mircea_popescu: yes, all the indians, and the prospectors, and the homesteaders and the whatnot can be all the butthurt they want at how they got "kicked out of their thing"
mircea_popescu: a lot of the bitterness of pioneers, espoused perhaps in its best form by cagney in that film ? ( http://trilema.com/2014/people-us-dollars-are-not-worth-a-fifth-of-a-bitcent-stop-selling/#footnote_1_55053 )
mircea_popescu: was tall enough for a few years in the beginning.
mircea_popescu: he's a bright fellow, an an economics professor. and the opportunity has passed him by.
mircea_popescu: back in 2014, after the wot split, tried to get him to fix gribble so it's no longer retarded. guess what ? still retarded, stateful auth, you name it.
mircea_popescu: absentee owner of dead irc channel, the kakobrekla before kakobrekla. what's so well about this ?
mircea_popescu: (yes, yes, "exceptions exist". sure, not all idiots are equally idiotic. nevertheless - none kept up with the coin.)
mircea_popescu: they could have been someone and done something. instead - they chose to be themselves.
mircea_popescu: look through the list, lemme quote for you.
asciilifeform: i was definitely not 'there' aha.
mircea_popescu: i was there for it - you weren't there for it. i tell you it was a lot more of this than of that. but yes both existed.
asciilifeform: the publicly-sold-miners thing was 100% chumpstrapping
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: '...in 2016 common people simply can not buy new miners, no matter what happens and how much money they're willing to spend...' << ahahaha precisely what i predicted when i showed up
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i missed the billion mit dollars thing ?
asciilifeform: hey recall, my main criticism of the demo run mircea_popescu gave me in '12 was 'i made too much coin investing in the exchange itself'
mircea_popescu: check out the mpex magic!
mircea_popescu: because why, there's connection between words and things now ?
ben_vulpes: > and in general remain committed to the success of Bitcoin << aw, that's sweet of you
ben_vulpes: PeterL: did you /read/ the thing? it is not longer even remotely possible to own a stake in the thing anymore.
PeterL: but it's mostly just mp shifting coin from one pocket to another, what changed, really?
asciilifeform: well yes, it is a theoretical thing, entirely conceivable that none of the recipients will blow it
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: interesting. am i thick or what am i missing, but afaik 0 implications in re the things that i do...
mircea_popescu: but - that someone noticed & reported within 20 seconds is rather flattering o.O
mircea_popescu: well, the one bot is unvoiced and so on. but : http://trilema.com/2016/mpex-smpoe-closing-statement/
mircea_popescu: the botpile!
asciilifeform: https://www.owlfolio.org/research/bootstrapping-trust-in-compilers << lulzy, folks reinventing the inevitable
asciilifeform: (if anyone thinks this is not being done to bitcoin, there is a bridge for sale)
asciilifeform: 'Edge ISPs that inject false content affect their customers only. However, in this work we show that not only edge ISPs may inject false content, but also core network operators. These operators can potentially alter the traffic of all Internet users who visit predetermined websites. We expose this practice by inspecting a large amount of traffic originating from several networks...'
mircea_popescu: i meant the wot
gribble: The operation succeeded.
deedbot: mircea_popescu updated rating of kakobrekla from 5 to -5 << Cap'n of industree, borrowed my blender, then decided to try and make gravel and... it just didn't work out!
mircea_popescu: $rate kakobrekla -5 Cap'n of industree, borrowed my blender, then decided to try and make gravel and... it just didn't work out!
deedbot-: [Trilema] Yes there is a difference between rational and correct - http://trilema.com/2016/yes-there-is-a-difference-between-rational-and-correct/
mircea_popescu: seems very dubious any of those derps actually have any money, other than what they hope to get from the thiel warchest/spoils.
pete_dushenski: in light of the above, this shouldn't be in any way surprising : http://lesswrong.com/lw/ncv/attention_financial_scam_targeting_less_wrong/
mircea_popescu: but at least the issue of what's yurtowski's actual name has been resolved.
mircea_popescu: for the obvious fucking reason! more concrete details, more verifiable claim, more risky claim to make for the sort of dateless derp that's the internet weenie, thus less likely to be made lightly, thus more likely to be true!
mircea_popescu: except... OBVIOUSLY the proposition "internet weenie has a girlfried" is to be judged as less likely than the proposition "internet weenie has a girlfriend and her name is Samantha".
mircea_popescu: Experimental psychologists use two gold standards: probability theory, and decision theory. Since it is a universal law of probability theory that P(A) ≥ P(A & B), the judgment P("Bill plays jazz") < P("Bill plays jazz" & "Bill is accountant") is labeled incorrect."
mircea_popescu: "Sometimes experimental psychologists uncover human reasoning that seems very strange - for example, someone rates the probability "Bill plays jazz" as less than the probability "Bill is an accountant who plays jazz". This seems like an odd judgment, since any particular jazz-playing accountant is obviously a jazz player. But to what higher vantage point do we appeal in saying that the judgment is wrong?
mircea_popescu: with apologies for sullying the logs with the ditties of imbeciles, under promise i shan't do it again this year, let us quote.
mircea_popescu: and in further "holy shit internet weenies are retarded" news, http://lesswrong.com/lw/31/what_do_we_mean_by_rationality/
mircea_popescu: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Sad_Puppies << in other lolz of all time, apparently the sort of expired carcasses / h ellison impersonators that go around writing bad genre prose heard about the 4chan time thing a decade later and pulled a moot of their own at hugo
punkman: suppose new owner pays davout to hold the coins he already has until those bets are resolved.
mircea_popescu: the better question is how so.
pete_dushenski: speaking of lee sedol (and other bitbets), sorta surprising davout didn't seem interested in moderating more of the "sure thing" bets.
pete_dushenski: i can't help but lol at zaz when compared and contrasted with the lexus lfa mega-manufacturing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5A2s61rT_30 (those uninterested in cars, but fascinated by either carbon fibre, circular textile looms(!), or simply obsessive engineering and exactitude will likely find this latter one of interest)
mircea_popescu: (in fairness to be distinguished from bayes' own work, about in the sense re tolkien above)
mircea_popescu: ironically it's exactly the sort of machine he understands and proposes, neh ? markov chain on steroids, ==== "rationality" in the sense of bayesian derpage.
pete_dushenski: in other orcishly modern news, this is what a russian zaz automotive factory looks like : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VN-nooxdUA
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: y Officially! shat his pants re alphago even before the lee sedol thing!
mircea_popescu: incidentally, and unrelatedly - what's the derp that put out a purple prose challenge, got totally owned on trilema but then pretended it never happened have to say about teh alphago ?
mircea_popescu: the music creation myth is parsimoniously expressed and correctly designed.
mircea_popescu: ok, point taken, the guy is good.
asciilifeform: 'from the unpublished manuscripts' my shiny metal arse.
asciilifeform: and ~it~ will likely be the next hollywood bucket'o'shit, if any of it.
mircea_popescu: "On my father's death it fell to me to try to bring the work into publishable form." dude.... why.
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=PK'd | pkd. PK'd like in shot with the popular russian machine guns of a similar name PKT and PKM. He was short ten grand on his share and bigdogg pkd him.
punkman: they are all bad so far, but in a good way
mircea_popescu: do we actually want the bash still ?
mircea_popescu: let the permanent record permanently reflect that the horrible company i keep drives me to sin darker than damnation itself.
asciilifeform: http://ae-lib.org.ua/texts-c/tolkien__the_silmarillion__en.htm << see for yerself.
mircea_popescu: what's the difference ?
asciilifeform: i actually read it on the airplane.
asciilifeform: incidentally massively loved in ru world also, despite the translation being a ~very~ recent ('90s!) thing
mircea_popescu: but yes, pretty much everyone with serious cultural immersion in anglosphere said the same re tolkien. what can i say, i'll take yer word for it.
mircea_popescu: i'd rather read early medieval poetry - and i've not done that in a decade or more. no shortage of stuff to read.
mircea_popescu: anyone these fuckwads touch is suspect.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform had i never read the original prior, yes, it would have been marked for shit.
punkman: are they doing more tolkien movies?
punkman: the hobbit movies were such crap
asciilifeform: likely he would have never permitted the idiocy, if alive.
asciilifeform: t does not belong in the list.
mircea_popescu: whole tolkien/rawling/etc 2000s bullshit runs together in my mind with star wards and iron pants or w/e the 2010s "superhero" films are.
asciilifeform: one of the few worthwhile fiction in engl. in 20th c.
mircea_popescu: so wait. is this sauron bullshit older than lord of the rings hollywood crapolade ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in english world, ^ ~the~ orcs.
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=uruk-hai | In J. R. R. Tolkien's fictional epic, "The Lord of the Rings," the Uruk-hai (Black Speech meaning Orc folk) were a new breed of Orcs that appeared during the ...
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Nazgul | Nazgul. One of the dark lord Sauron's nine minions. Also called Ringwraiths/Dark Riders/Black Riders. Their leader was the Witch King of Angmar They are the ...
gribble: Nazgûl - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazg%C3%BBl>; Nazgûl - The One Wiki to Rule Them All - Wikia: <http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Nazg%C3%BBl>; Nazgûl - Tolkien Gateway: <http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Nazg%C3%BBl>
asciilifeform: srsly, almost as if these folks are escaped nazgul
mircea_popescu: otherwise wouldn't piss on argentina to put it out if it were on fire
mircea_popescu: messi is particularly amusing because every other fucktard, by which word we mean mouthbreathers born out of argentine mothers, is all infatuated with the guy, while he barely condescends to put up with the idiot reporters for long enough to keep the endorsements going.
mircea_popescu: yeah, which means the inept arsewipes will ignore it like everything else.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck cares.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I think Rush Limbaugh invented the word lamestream
asciilifeform: humans, orcs, politicos, pretty much every other name ever appearing in a fishwrap, is in there somewhere.
mircea_popescu: other than lamestream which seems a superb construction (didjha invent it bb ?), i have nfi what you ppl are saying!
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: however you cut it, the hatred by the folks who are forced to pay tax, of those who are not - is strong.
BingoBoingo: But How to tell who is who? And seriously wy all the wealth shaming?
asciilifeform: the d.c.-based 'reporters on lsd' or whatever it was, naturally squeaks not a word re americans on the list
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i have nfi what is being done there!
BingoBoingo: ascii what can really be done with all that that isn't being done in the lamestream?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: sounds like he was victimized by "experts" to pay for these features, too.
mircea_popescu: what exactly is the logic of keeping a blog to feed dead tree book publishing business when a) the publishing business is really trying to sell pdfs for 5 paypalbux and b) the blog is read by fewer people than ever heard of mike hearn ?!
mircea_popescu: actually he rarely beats the hundred. nuts.
mircea_popescu: "a manual of female ownership". wasn't this guy living alone as a hobo in the ghetto ?!
mircea_popescu loaded the root, holy shit, "20 reads" ? "100 reads" ?
mircea_popescu: such is the power of philipino copywriting.
mircea_popescu: in other news : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pi6AzHM6sJ0 << christina applegate of obscure chicago area cable show uses "i'm jelly" for the first time, spawning a meme that liquefied much shit hence her time!
mircea_popescu: http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/03/pete_santilli_to_ask_court_to.html << same rag, further driving the alf case that the "freedom fighters" are uniformly retarded.
mircea_popescu: http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/04/david_fry_stands_to_make_unusu.html << in other lulz.
ben_vulpes: which makes batching trivial. "does this key match something in the DB?"
mike_c: and a 'last' endpoint could just grab.. the last one. But whatever, not huge thing. it works.
ben_vulpes: does look from here as though there's some key from a request to the action to be performed in the OTP url.
ben_vulpes has no actual idea how trinque's written the thing, only making inferences.
mike_c: and znc I have tried and failed with in the past. possibly just user stupidity.
ben_vulpes: the last time i fucked with bouncers, let's say.
mike_c: sure, once you figure out the mess that is znc
mircea_popescu: then he calls Ștrul. "hey, i sent over some guys to cut up your wood" "who ?" "same guys you sent last month to dig my garden"
mircea_popescu: and to honor alf's memory of the siguranța statului : Ițic calls the ro SS. "hey, Ștrul has some wood" "so what of it ?" "he drilled it and hid jewels, diamonds, dollars and probably ammunition from his brother in america"
ben_vulpes laughing out loud on the shop floor
mike_c: unless this is the collecting acorns thing
mike_c: there's only one?
mike_c: manual labor is for the birds
pete_dushenski: sorry for the dine n dash. bbl.
pete_dushenski: then a 'listunspent' would seem a useful call function to bring to trb (it was in 0.7). unless there are other call functions that already do the same thing ?
pete_dushenski: inb4 stan makes his token comment about the 'fundamental retardation of accounts, which must die (tm) (r)'
pete_dushenski: speaking of vagabond romanii, what is it about that little country that makes it produce such sharp-edged hitmen with heads for numbers ? http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/09/edward-luttwak-machiavelli-of-maryland
gribble: ...Baby One More Time (song) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...Baby_One_More_Time_(song)>; Britney Spears - ...Baby One More Time - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-u5WLJ9Yk4>; Britney Spears' 'Hit Me Baby, One More Time' True Meaning Has ...: <http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/pop-shop/6753845/hit-me-baby-one-more-time- (1 more message)
trinque: I must have filthy python habits, thought it'd know when the lisp was written later
trinque: phf: how do I keep my fasl from being out of sync with changes to the lisp ?
mircea_popescu: check yourself out pete_dushenski you get the #trilema log global first!
phf: yeah, there are some very obvious stats that can be ran, including wot analysis, who speaks to whom, frequencies, etc.
mircea_popescu: logging teh forum happens to be a field where a lot of interesting things can be done. right off the top of head : you familiar with pisg ? ; something like an interaction graph based on namecalling may be interesting.
mircea_popescu: fwiw, mthreat, the guy who was providing the search, actually did that as part of a start-up that got sold off or spun off or w/e they do.
mircea_popescu: afair it was the only trim i consistently used.
mircea_popescu: phf is there an equiv to say "from:mircea" ?
mircea_popescu: but for the sake of keeping things simple...
phf: after 1440677 log continues with t-a entries, and as of right now the next t-a entry is 1440678 "pete_dushenski: http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2016/03/serious-question-can-a-parrot-act-as-a-witness-in-court.html << computers are cheaper than women, but perhaps not cheaper than parrots" :D
phf: i'm going to deploy to the same machine as btcbase, so the log url is going to be btcbase.org/log/
phf: right now the switch over between t-a and b-a happens at log entry 1440677, which is "mircea_popescu: and so, this is the end for this particular irc channel as a venue for tmsr. ..."
phf: ok, logs are at a reasonable point, going to go for food and walk and then do a deploy
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they are related strictly in the sense where we are likely to get 1980s fabbing capability long before 'modern', but also in the sense where we might have to use fpga or even discrete logic elements before this is all through
shinohai: "Tor and Cloudflare continue to bicker over whose implementation is more broken" http://www.techtimes.com/articles/146920/20160404/tor-and-cloudflare-hurl-accusations-about-malicious-requests-flawed-methodology-at-each-other.htm
mircea_popescu: obvious why they're counter-lazy, yes.
mircea_popescu: hey, i have no argument with the "dram is a pain in the ass to do hands on stuff to"
asciilifeform: except that dram ~demands~ the controller, and it HAS to meet the timing spec 100% of the time, or it loses bits.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: only in the sense that alligator bite is same as mouse.
mircea_popescu: but bit rot nevertheless.