trinque: doing the fundamentally right thing here, I think, involves the act of rating being that you make a deed of a signed statement which is your rating.
trinque: and what the fuck is rss
a111: Logged on 2016-04-13 03:54 trinque: mike_c: anyhow, until asciilifeform writes me a CLOS persistence layer with ACID, a declarative permissions model, and networking, gpg me the IP you'd be coming from and I'll open that in the firewall then shoot you a psql user/pass
trinque: mike_c: anyhow, until asciilifeform writes me a CLOS persistence layer with ACID, a declarative permissions model, and networking, gpg me the IP you'd be coming from and I'll open that in the firewall then shoot you a psql user/pass
mod6: mike_c: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2014#758070 << these are the real deals 'eh?
trinque: there are obvious problems that fall out of many programs diddling the same data concurrently, or users of different levels of access interacting with the same data model, or what happens when I didn't write all the damn data successfully, or... or...
trinque: further, any system that manages a large pile of persistent data will end up reinventing ACID, relational integrity, so on, in the same manner that any object system may eventually find it is some degree of shitty subset of CLOS
trinque: I've yet to be convinced that the database isn't a thing.
asciilifeform: this smacks of the proverbial 'for 20k, i drill my OWN holez!'
trinque: but then, you could even split it such that certain users may only use certain views, others may create their own queries
mircea_popescu: i still suspect there's a good reason this doesn't work tho.
trinque: may its hellish syntax hold the line
mircea_popescu: "to the users' perceived needs".
mircea_popescu: at least temporarily, for as long as the usual fucktards don't "improve" sql to be more... "responsive"
trinque: I had an old boss who thought the web ought to be composed of interlinked databases rather than "websites", certainly not the only man to say this
mircea_popescu: hm. i wonder why this isn't more often done then ?
trinque: mike_c: then you can perform whatever queries are useful to you when you sync data
mircea_popescu: btw trinque what was the thing with btcalpha interconnect ? got a rss or something for mike_c ?
phf: that's like those office "college quarterbacker" guys, almost always in the worst shape, particularly since delusional about past achievements
asciilifeform: the man was a boxer!
mircea_popescu: maybe if they're very careful.
mod6: well, there's always "phreeee". but... just sayin, you don't need to spend $1k. $100 is a long way from $1000
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they walk around hard 24/7 until they meet a girl, after which they discover teenaged female needs 5-6 of them.
asciilifeform: the 'rare erection' thing is only even possible to picture if you discount the billion frustrated teenagers walking around hard 24/7
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and the soviets thought "satellite launch cheapest- costs nothing"
mircea_popescu: except on specially arranged sets catering to this particular fantasy, there's one guy in a car buying and a buncha chicks queuing.
phf: i personally know girls that charge the entire range from about 200 to 1500, they list on high end escort services, because they can pull it off, but they also list on various adultfinder variations, because that's a quick buck. i don't know what's the lowest they went for, i should ask, but this definitely doesn't work like "market forces"
asciilifeform: thin the queue, make moar?
mircea_popescu: whose work is in SUCH high demand specifically that they HAVE TO charge 4k an hour to control the herds ?
asciilifeform: but because why doesn't the high-quality one charge moar
mircea_popescu: ie, this "item is bad because it was cheap" nonsense is ONLY THERE to prop up the "item is good because was expensive" idiocy.
mircea_popescu: that is yet another strawman.
mircea_popescu: this is such trite nominalism. if they'll do it for 0, 200 bux really is not here or there.
mod6: actually, i'd bet there are folks, even here, that would do small spec'd out work for .50000000
asciilifeform: let's try different profession. can mircea_popescu infer anything from the fact that mr joe programmer writes entire project for 200 bux ?
mod6: i guess i can see how a high-class georgetown hooker might charge like 1k per night or someshit, but you can just drive down to baltimore and get laid 3x for 60, and keep the change for the crack.
mircea_popescu: you use it plenty, and the results are always crapolade.
asciilifeform: so mircea_popescu proposes that i cannot infer anything interesting from the fact that chick fucks for 20bux ?
mircea_popescu: whatever she sucks&fucks for, she's exactgly the same object.
mircea_popescu: it's that you attempt to re-value the item in quiestion [woman] by future considerations [the sort that will have done X[
mircea_popescu: the objection t oyour broken mental process isn't that you generalize unwarrantedly.
asciilifeform: gotta form hypothesis.
mircea_popescu: could be queen of the whores, or rando feminist. the future does NOT reach into the past to rearrange it somehow magically.
mircea_popescu: there is no such "something".
asciilifeform: mod6: you can also eat 'chocolate' from the pharmacy, aha
asciilifeform: yeah but then you bang something that bangs for 20+taco
mircea_popescu: the usd, backed by half-n-half.
mircea_popescu: the last time a woman made 1k+ to fuck some guy, he was some engineer with a love/hate relationship with usg.
mod6: yeah, i know a walmart where you can $12 bjs behind the store
mircea_popescu: mod6 for lack of whorexperience he puts the gals on this pedestal.
asciilifeform: like british sailors, eating their maggoty biscuits
mod6: haha, yea, there
mircea_popescu: mod6 ftr that was about 50% of italian GDP throughout the past 1500 or so years.
phf: yes actually! it was a thing for a bit on craigslist and such. you could invite over a "chef", they cook for free, and eat with you, but you buy the groceries
mod6: "come over, my wife will cook you dinner, fuck you, and bathe you. $42.95"
asciilifeform: and of course there is the inevitable whoring app, but that'd have to use coin and is still waiting for wot folk to do it
asciilifeform long wondered why there is not the next logical step for uber & airbnb - 'restaurant' where you show up to somebody's house and he cooks for you
mod6: i always thought the airbnb thing was so weird.
ben_vulpes: very much yes i would rather stay with some kindly grandmother i've never met than the roach motel up the street.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile i want gradients like i want the "clever" ustard namespace. o woe what the fuck will i do without "laundromat" and "chuck e cheese" !!1
mircea_popescu: it's now part and parcel of what the idiots have come to expect or some stupid shit.
mircea_popescu: i've been waiting for the idiocy to blow over ever since and it just fucking won't
mircea_popescu: it's like every [unemployable shithead] got all excited about "omaigerd - i know how i'll justify not doing any it work - GRADIENTS !! AWESOME!!!" in like 2002
a111: Logged on 2016-04-12 23:07 phf: fwiw gtk has been compromising x for year, that's where "remote x is useless" misconception comes from. you can run x emacs on a dialup even (i was doing it on dsl in the early 2000s), but of course running any kind of gtk app fails miserably, because library pushes gratuitous (and unoptimizable by simple RLE) gradients across wire just to render a button.
asciilifeform: (the typical modern auto is built to fall apart within 1% or somesuch of the day the credit is paid off)
mats: the simple matter is that car ownership is, to me, a -ev prospect
asciilifeform: mats: but i can't really separate the reason for hating it from my hatred of working.
mats: uber's classic service (that is, the 'black car' bidness it was before servicing plebs with 'uberx', 'uberpool', etc) is still good
asciilifeform: do you pull the pin every day??
asciilifeform: how about the frag ?
mats: i don't look forward to the prospect of marriage
mircea_popescu: mats don't ever get married ; it's like buying a cunt that sits unlubricated 99% of the time!
mats: if it weren't for uber i'd own a vehicle that sits unpowered 95% of the time
phf: asciilifeform: well, precisely. they are talking about running unmodified binaries and doing jit syscall translation. not something cygwin supports
asciilifeform: <ben_vulpes> which by the way i use regularly to great effect << aha, recall, i even used 'uber'
mircea_popescu: meet me in town ima give you the gear needed
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the fact you use them shows just how badly oyu have it. there's also people who use tampons / shit bags to great effect. we call these people women / the pope, and dun wanna be them.
mircea_popescu: mats> what i remember from the BUILD keynote about this is there's an ELF loader and translate syscalls << then alf wants to know what i mean about http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-12#1450492
ben_vulpes: which by the way i use regularly to great effect
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mats: i don't understand what kind of strategic advantage they see in this
mats: phf: https://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/03/30/ubuntu-on-windows-the-ubuntu-userspace-for-windows-developers
mats: what i remember from the BUILD keynote about this is there's an ELF loader and translate syscalls
asciilifeform: or they could buy & enslave 'cygwin', which was this already.
phf: so they have a linux kernel manage the processes, and then they write keyboard/"console"/mouse drivers for it
mats: i'm curious what is going to happen with the syscalls that don't map cleanly
ben_vulpes: the microshitification of linux will not be complete until ms ships a windows that also does all of the linux syscalls
asciilifeform: the microshitifucation of linux will not be truly complete until users have to grunt with 'remote desktop' idiocy
phf: fwiw gtk has been compromising x for year, that's where "remote x is useless" misconception comes from. you can run x emacs on a dialup even (i was doing it on dsl in the early 2000s), but of course running any kind of gtk app fails miserably, because library pushes gratuitous (and unoptimizable by simple RLE) gradients across wire just to render a button.
BingoBoingo: ^ From the "of course" file
mircea_popescu: "nobody could understand what's inside the engine"
mircea_popescu: not a bad strategy either, it got ustards off cars.
phf: freedesktop strategy is to create an abstraction layer on top of base tools that makes things "simpler", and then transparently switch the base. in this case value of gtk & sdl to wreckers is that they both operate on wayland already. sdl seems somewhat sane but i wouldn't be surprised if gnome deprecates their X support at some point
a111: Logged on 2016-04-12 22:36 phf: speaking of walls and x11, i walked into a comment section of some "game ported to linux" post. guy opted for native xlib/opengl, so he got a wall full of "x11 is deprecated, everyone's moving to wayland, use sdl2". ironically in the post itself he says " when searching for answers to questions that weren’t made quite clear in the documentation, often people that had the same questions I did received answers like ‘Use SDL’, or ‘Use GTK
shinohai: Solid use of that 3.5 million in funding for sure, no one wants the shit.
shinohai: anywho am grateful for the opportunity to contribute somewhat.
BingoBoingo: shinohai: It's the only way to learn. I discovered that when I took mircea_popescu's advice and started writing crap.
mircea_popescu: let me guess, it was "community consensus" on reddit, on the basis of their locally mutated gavin and some "experts" they consulted.
phf: or Qt’. That’s amazingly frustrating and just adds noise to the internet." http://www.shiningrocksoftware.com/2016-04-09-thoughts-on-linux/
phf: speaking of walls and x11, i walked into a comment section of some "game ported to linux" post. guy opted for native xlib/opengl, so he got a wall full of "x11 is deprecated, everyone's moving to wayland, use sdl2". ironically in the post itself he says " when searching for answers to questions that weren’t made quite clear in the documentation, often people that had the same questions I did received answers like ‘Use SDL’, or ‘Use GTK
mircea_popescu: and in unrelated news, h heine is an utter shithead.
BingoBoingo: <shinohai> I didn't figure out an angle for it, therefore left it to simmer on back burner. << maybe start writing, see if an angle emerges?
asciilifeform: but it ~blows my mind~ that, in world where there is an x11, idiot derps for DECADES successfully peddled 'remote desktop' atrocities
asciilifeform: (as discussed in an old mircea_popescu thread, there ~is~ room for improvement.)
asciilifeform: who can fully apprehend that 30 MOTHERFUCKING YEARS was not enough to make ANY notable improvement on xwindows?!!!!111
asciilifeform: (the fact that virtually ALL of their products shipped WITH SOURCE, also somehow did not affect it)
asciilifeform: but somehow the company's reputation as 'evil vendor of closed $maxint machinery' did not thereby perish.
asciilifeform: instead of buying a symbolics console for the cost of a 'toyota'
asciilifeform: just for the ui.
asciilifeform: and there is STILL not.
asciilifeform: 'If you want to compare MGR to the X Window System, you might consider the MGR server as something like a combination of an X server + window manager + xterm, but with xterm's Tektronix 4014 graphics terminal emulation and its DEC VT100 emulation in the same window.' << looks to me like it is of archaeological interest solely
phf: asciilifeform: http://www.hack.org/mc/mgr/ a very unixy x11 alternative, the windowing protocol is essentially escape codes back and forth
mircea_popescu: (and since we're discussing german firsts - the fucking reason steak's so good today is that well... ww1 germanz needed leather, imported as much as argentina could produce. so it begun.)
mircea_popescu: possibly the worst political cock-up of all time, trying to empirebuild with italians.
mircea_popescu: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=854&cpage=1#comment-2720 << if you recall, someone did. a humorless german dude, and as a result italy gets to fraudulently claim it's a "nation" and "part of europe", rather than the arab brothel sicily was leading it towards throughout the middle ages (which, there, last until 1960 and after)
mircea_popescu: ;;google carlin is the greatest and "how to make money renting out the space inside your nose"
asciilifeform: learn the trick trick learnerz haet!1111
mircea_popescu: it's no coincidence that all the us "culture" can produce is "10 ways to bla bla".
mircea_popescu: but the sad fact is that most us companies' stock in trade is "intellectual property"
asciilifeform: they are perfectly ok with the thing being a permanent 'trading sardine' even as thieves rip out the copper pipes.
asciilifeform: the other observation is that the house-builders and title-holding banks do not need anyone to actually live in the property to make their printolade.
mircea_popescu: whatever the fuck i write on it, it's still gonna pay.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes kinda why the whole "usg takes as much from 'coffers' of usg corps as it needs" thing in macroeconomy discussion few days ago.
ben_vulpes cackles madly back into the aws java sdk
shinohai: I didn't figure out an angle for it, therefore left it to simmer on back burner.
ben_vulpes: shinohai: what'd the qntra angle be?
asciilifeform: ^ guess how many pennies of this will go to the folks ~actually~ shafted (who? the ones who did NOT get phreeeeeee house from obummer's scam)
mircea_popescu: and every other race, war, confrontation and anything else.
asciilifeform: the interesting bit is that the empty, decaying, plundered properties are ~part of the program~
mircea_popescu: my socialism sees through corporate pretense. like the damned thing does by default, except in the crazy us implementation.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform bank clerk in charge of the particular real estate, sure.
asciilifeform: (in virtually all cases, the actual title holder...)
mircea_popescu: see, if ~I~ were running the socialist state, there'd be a tax penalty and a 6 mo administrative (ie, no judge involved) jail sentence for keeping property empty a full quarter.
asciilifeform: and it isn't as if anyone catches these folks, or the buyers, and pours molten copper down their necks
shinohai: So airbnb acquired Changetip. I guess now when people lose 67 cents sleeping on your sofa you can convert it to satoshi right there.
mircea_popescu: where did you find the redbeard ?
ben_vulpes: http://www.wweek.com/2015/10/15/crowd-gathers-to-support-house-squatters-who-allegedly-partied-with-a-corpse/
ben_vulpes: there've been a few squats around town, but with the recent explosion in dirt-demand, they're all getting shuttered and replaced with apartments.
asciilifeform: the empty for years ones - often, not
ben_vulpes: then who is selling it
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: often there is not a known owner
ben_vulpes: and not the property owners?!
ben_vulpes: the...city!?
asciilifeform: the city maintains the outside superficially so that it is not obvious immediately which they are.
ben_vulpes: and not because people price their houses sanely, no. but because apparently all of california is moving here and will buy at any cost.
ben_vulpes: or the place is a condemned dump.
ben_vulpes: turnover ~2weeks, unless there's a full renovation in swing.
ben_vulpes: tisn't how things work in my part of the world.
asciilifeform: ^ house stood empty for a few months, and copper thieves stole the heat exchanger coil
asciilifeform: phf: the one where the logs url should behave sanely, i.e. not redirect to anything but to ~always~ point to the head of the log
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: it reminds me of a dream i had once, where i was in charge of some kindergarten thing, and a ragged bum knocks on the door, outside - storms, rains, - 'quick, quick, i need to fry in your electric chair!' he gasps. i reply 'sorry, we only have a child-sized one here!' but he persists, squeezes himself in
phf: you mean the recent log bookmarkable url thing?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-12#1450407 << ben_vulpes this is iirc why the thread was so lulzy
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: where the fuck was that
mircea_popescu: o, recall the guy that made a passport pic of chetty ?
punkman: I don't really like the sweet neem thing, definitely don't use it in currys
asciilifeform: rname (previously unknown to the attacker) and a new password. ' << l0l!!
asciilifeform: 'Then they came to Namecheap where I have a couple of VPS servers, this account also had 2factor SMS authentication required for login. However the hacker opened up a live chat with Namecheap and requested a password reset for the SolusVM VPS panel, at which point, in a massive breach of their security protocols, they sent a plain text email to the comprised address containing both the VPS panel use
punkman: oic, guess there's a lot of different ones called curry leaves
mircea_popescu: no, that's the sweet neem thing.
punkman: curry leaves are common in europe aren't they
mircea_popescu: then went and fondled the foot tall guys and omfg my kbd hand and everything smells like curry and im salivating
mircea_popescu: in other news, i planted something that was supposed to be "curry", which i had nfi is even a plant wtf, isn't that a spice mix ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, the longstanding rule has been that one can use whathever the fuck one wishes, and reap the benefits of maintenance down the road on their own ass.
phf: but none is the answer to why cmucl, and i don't think there's one. mostly why not? it's a question of discipline for me, can i move slow and not freak out against deficiencies. i think that "looking for silver bullet" is just a waste of time, and there's no way that i can possibly explore entire cmucl solution space, until a whole new set of base capabilities is required
phf: there are some arguments now (and some successful projects) that solve gb/s with threads, but this whole idea that threads are a solution to gb/s ~in the compotent circles~ is a novel thing. schedulers are getting better, some patterns emerging, tooling is better etc. people coming out with "perhaps doing it with async is not best option anymore". but for years gb/s was achieved with async, reactor pattern, fork/exec
mircea_popescu: so he rewrites the tcp state machine in c, what :D
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha, but then some bozo added tcp to it
phf: asciilifeform: threads are the worst possible solution to gb/s log demand
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, in geek world the one-girlfriend guy is king.
asciilifeform: wait till there is GB/s log demand.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu was probably imagining something like the old crapple 'fat executables' that have 3 sections for 3 cpus
asciilifeform: all i want is for the jit compiler's back-end to be sanely written and not married to x86, and for there to not be weird endian dependencies baked in.
asciilifeform: rather than some mythical 'one exe for all boxes' winblowz claptrap
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: multibox means that the thing ~can~ be ported to new cpu with minimal sweat
mircea_popescu: so then what multibox support.
asciilifeform: (which imho is the Right Thing)
asciilifeform: phf: aha, commonlisp is unfriendly to the notion of an 'exe' in general
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in the interest of fits-in-head - sure
asciilifeform: you can always run a tree shaker and throw out the src you never intend to use.
asciilifeform: and sure, nobody makes you keep the thing around
mircea_popescu: suppose the language's compiled. the compiler has no reason to know about non-native microcode.
mircea_popescu: this is why i'm even using arm or w/e in the first place.
mircea_popescu: mk let's rephrase. if i used a non-x86 box i'd want the thing to be native for that box not an addon to x86.
phf: but otherwise..
mircea_popescu: im unconvinced multibox support is a good idea. if i am going to run on non-x86, i sure as fuck don't wantall the x86 stuff in there.
phf: well, that's the only one that you keep mentioning, and i heard you about it :)
asciilifeform: i consider a general-purpose language without these, WORTHLESS
asciilifeform: motherfucking native threads, for one
phf: what are these "missing but necessary pieces"?
asciilifeform: it always struck me as a kind of 'bsd 4' - yes, 'hackable', yes, 'small', but the ~wrong kind of small~, the kind that will balloon into the same megalith as sbcl if you were to add all of the missing but necessary pieces.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-12#1450461 << phf remind me again what the hell the up-side of cmucl was
mircea_popescu: "there's this open source project which is also a game and they're really into doing a partnership with a cs dept and would you wanna talk to them ?" works neh ?
a111: Logged on 2014-09-22 23:59 JuliaTourianski_: what projects in the BTC space do you guys like? if any...these conferences seem to be full of frat boys wanting to be men, with projects...many of which seem to be solving the same problem that doesn't exist.
mircea_popescu: and on top of which the beauty of wot-access-control, perhaps nto apparent yet, is that if you're hit with something it'll be both complex and readily documented. as opposed to the faux-real-world, where one still gets 90% brute force ssh attempts and crap.
phf: it's definitely not the "fastest" "easiest" "sane" way of doing things
mircea_popescu: lol at least they're barefoot. worx.
mircea_popescu: by now a111 is quite the piece of machinery huh.
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Walmart | The local 3-generation mom & pop store was run out of town by Walmart. ... C' mon Louann, we gotta go to Wal-Mart and get Mama her Christmas present.
phf: i'll shuffle things around at some point so that the folder contains pre-t-a stuff too
a111: Logged on 2016-04-11 09:50 mircea_popescu: incidentally phf is there a log bundle for download somewhere ?
mircea_popescu: o hey, trinque got it to pick itself up off the floor did he. nice.
shinohai: I love how he pays Buttnix to write articles, then pops in the comments section like he doesn't own the site.
BingoBoingo: He could sell collectibles again for USD while watching US fall compared to the merchandise he sold.
BingoBoingo: Roger Ver gets back into retail, because that worked so well for him in the past https://archive.is/AE045
mircea_popescu: and in other forgotten lulz news, http://trilema.com/2011/elemente-de-baza-n-tehnica-trolajului-grav/#selection-27.0-26.1
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the whole "for your protection" thing can ever only go one way - to where it "protects" you from sluts and drink.
ben_vulpes: not to mention your explicit hatred of what makes up the bulk of my work.
BingoBoingo: It would be the dongress
mircea_popescu: that'd be the digress
asciilifeform: the real puzzler will be whether the gossiptronic beast, where different folks actually see different universes, counts as 'a congress'...
BingoBoingo: Year zero of the null-th congress
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: My time is more stained than usually. Been renting my attention out by the hour on a part time basis for fiat bucks lately.
mod6: pretty neat little chart there phf
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user felipelalli to user phf: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=felipelalli&dest=phf | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=phf | Rated since: Thu Jan 2 22:27:02 2014
phf: felipelalli: search is still not quite there yet, because i had a bandwidth limits, right now does straight up case-sensitive grep