asciilifeform: right on the gib
mircea_popescu: incidentaly, what do those people do when they need to pee ?
asciilifeform: these very same cranez will turn up,mi am quite certain, if i ever get near that wurk.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that;s the advertising crane.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: pretty confident, there is a crane outside of my office window, i look into the cabin every day.
mod6: i feel like alf could live like ted kaczynski in the woods just fine.
asciilifeform: and is 200 metres up in the air.
asciilifeform: because the cabin holds 1.
ben_vulpes: it is precisely the opposite of adaptive
BingoBoingo: Come on alf, live the orange life.
mod6 imagines alf in the control box
asciilifeform: no filthy hyoomans in the crane cabin.
BingoBoingo: Prolly more popescutronic girls there than rupture farms
asciilifeform: or seeing motherfuking faces
BingoBoingo: You can even move to other corners of Mordor!
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: interested strictly in >= wage for < time on the stake.
mod6: July 12th, mother of god
mod6: Say that the reward half is in july... seems hard to figure we could have anything meaningful written in ada by then at all.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i don't expect to ever relax. but currently exploring the idea of less-loathesome wurk << Seriously try Home Depot
mod6: mircea_popescu: anyway, re: retooling to ada; I think my overall thought was, get v054 complete, in its classic form. Then move along to ada perhaps. But then there's still the question surrounding your suggested changes. Should be done in cpp ala classic? Or full re-write including your changes?
ben_vulpes: system works so well they never needed a hand afterwards
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: yes, human interaction. i'm a derpy american business-ish hustler who also does software as it pertains to the /businesses/.
mod6: except for the $12 bj's. that's a decent perk
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: beats me! just answering the question.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: where are the programmers who non-customwork, l0l
mod6: hm. but custom work pays ok then right?
ben_vulpes: mod6: every payment processor has their own interface. but as mentioned above, the tech is almost entirely ancillary to figuring out what needs doing and piping the data round.
ben_vulpes: it's the guiding them through the conversations with their auditor, department of revenue...
ben_vulpes: and it's not the tags
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: iirc there was somebody pushing a form editor thing
mod6: that's it. "make me my fathers pistol"
mod6: because, my thought here is, Mr. P. inflates bitcoin via V, and then `cd bitcoin ; make`
mod6: the main thing is; i've gotta get the makefiles in proper order, and basically, iirc, they already are real close.. but the thing I gotta work out is making a vpatch to add them to the source tree.
ben_vulpes: or, say, custom forms for donation-accepting nonprofits who need to collect additional data on the state's say-so.
mod6: so in other news... yeah, tomorrow will work for me. i know trinque has been doing good work on deedbot etc lately, so I'll try hard not to bug him on the shit i gotta do.
ben_vulpes: "yes, that falls in the set of things you can purchase here."
asciilifeform: among other things.
asciilifeform: if ben_vulpes knew what i do there!
ben_vulpes: because motherfucking /tradeoffs/
ben_vulpes: 4 10's, kegs in the corner, 20-hr weeks, philosophy instead of working, dollars...
asciilifeform: i don't expect to ever relax. but currently exploring the idea of less-loathesome wurk
ben_vulpes: try to eke out a few dollars here and there.
ben_vulpes: i still labor under the delusion that i'll crap out something someone like myself will find useful that will pay for me to relax a bit.
mod6: im not sure which is more depressing actually, shitshoveling in a jerva shitstack all day, or walmart. make me want to pitch a tent in Mr. P.'s garden instead and work on math machine, even if futile. would be more rewarding than the shit i do on an avg. work day
asciilifeform: l0l i had no idea they sold anything to civs
ben_vulpes: other than that, hilariously inept at anything other than procuring usg dole or scaring innocent civilians with 'sekyoority' analysis
asciilifeform: pretty sure one was on the winning side of alphago bet.
ben_vulpes: nevermind what the 'correct by construction' flight controller will be used for.
ben_vulpes: i would vastly rather shovel this shit in my own office with my hand-selected brothers and sisters in arms than travel sixty minutes each direction to work on the once-every-two-years cool multiphysics projects $semicorp has on offer or 1.25 hours for the opportunity to labor in a machine shop with men who think boats are a good investment
mod6: there's your tax dollars hard at work
asciilifeform: mod6: you could have been the next lafonde!111
ben_vulpes: just contracted us for another gig
ben_vulpes: they are very nice gentlemen
mod6: same lady, week after week buying the same full cart of vagicreme. same guys night after night wrestling over a spot in line at 01:59 am to see who would get sold the last 40
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: every time i dial the videophone into your favourite portland small usgtronics co., i think of you.
mod6: then it was just depressing
mod6: for about 8 months, and spent time working nights in a tucson walmart in the ghetto
ben_vulpes: and then ask why
asciilifeform: l0l i did nit even know about the arity thing!
ben_vulpes: tentacles to wrap around the webstack today.
ben_vulpes: it's an entirely adequate lisp-alike on the jvm for webshit
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: possibly for ben_vulpes , he works with some horrors from the bottom of the sea
ben_vulpes: one of the $leastbadlangs
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: in a sense. there's a $shitlang conference up there this weekend, and the meatwot has graciously coughed up some introductions.
ben_vulpes: i'm beating the streets of seattle for more work all weekend, but i'll try.
mod6: otherwise, i'm good if we wanna discuss someshit now for like 30 mins.
mod6: ok it's 19:10 / 7:10 pm there now ben_vulpes?
mod6: might be a bit early for ben_vulpes, but he'll probably catch us on the tail end.
mod6: eh, what time you got there right now? 22:05?
mod6: during the day has been horrid for me for the last ~3 weeks. but, will try to stop in tomorrow night and discuss a bit.
mod6: after the 15th, i need to contex switch, saddle up, lock and load on the makefile thing and see if we can finally get this stuff wrapped up.
mircea_popescu: prolly should have a sit down and get goals together tomorrow or somesuch ?
mod6: naw, more like going through ada baby steps like these: http://zhu-qy.blogspot.com/2012/08/adatutor-simple-declarations-and-simple_13.html
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-13#1451248 << oh probably whatever work I get done in the vein of trinque's makefiles.
mod6: you may wanna run the same thing, probably faster than me rolling it up and passing to you.
mod6: there's a bunch of stuff, even a gpg bin?
mod6: 1.1Gfiles.bitcoin-assets.com/ << but there's even a movie in here, wot tarballs, bitstamp incident report,e tc.
mircea_popescu: seems maybe on the low side ?
mod6: shinohai: ah, i've breezed through it rather quick, yes.
mod6: mike_c: there's this whole thread from turdtalk: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=297077.0;all
mike_c: but does that work with 1-6 instead of binary? I mean, you could build up the numbers binarily, but that seems like an even bigger pain than buying fancy dice
mod6: huh, thanks for the link. will read.
mod6: yeah, i can't seem to determine if they should be whitened if good rolling techniques are used. meaning, high friction surface, bounce off wall, shake in round & covered cup, etc.
mircea_popescu: http://pit-claudel.fr/clement/blog/generating-uniformly-random-data-from-skewed-input-biased-coins-loaded-dice-skew-correction-and-the-von-neumann-extractor/ for ref
mike_c: degaussing no, I took it as the nuemann thing for unreliable number smoothing
mod6: they look p-damn good.
mike_c: mod6: I am not an expert and haven't tested anything. simply word-on-the-street level info
mircea_popescu: mike_c the idea is you know what i mean by degaussing ?
mircea_popescu: if bias is the concern, you just degauss them. if not bias is the concern, wtf can he do to improve ?
mod6: yei don't care about the d100
mircea_popescu: is there such a thing ?
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=zocchihedron | The d100, a one hundred sided die invented and produced by Lou Zocchi, of GameScience. ... No set of dice is complete without a Zocchihedron.
mod6: mike_c: hey! qq: those zocchi dice are the real deal 'eh?
mircea_popescu: sorta like bbs-with-sql, if you will, from another perspective
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: comparing the workrate differential, i'm starting to think the sane thing to do is spin it off to someone who actually wants to do it and move on.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-02 19:14 mircea_popescu: in other news, http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/tmsr-logs-apr2012-oct2013.txt.tar.gz
phf: mod6: no single tarbal, but that's the canonical sources atm http://btcbase.org/log/2015-11-11#1322198 http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-02#1444829 http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-12#1450437
mod6: in other news, thebitcoin.foundataion (Not including therealbitcoin.org) has had 149k uniq requests, and 395k non-uniq requests.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> there is a stupendous amount of work to be done, but unfortunately i personally do not have the free arms and legs to do it, currently << i'd be happy if i saw the damned phuctor already.
mod6: anyone wanna toss me a tarball of the logs?
mod6: lot of good stuff on trilema that takes a deeper dive too. all the way back to '11 and beyond
shinohai: still a plethora of info there
shinohai: Sure, I still read the older stuff
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: i think the only one i ever missed was in march
mod6: i feel like a book of them would be good to re-read though
shinohai: Thos #b-a logs are so large every day I can't read them all now.
mircea_popescu: and in other news, btcbase.org larger referrer for trilema than log.bitcoin-assets by now.
shinohai: Last absinnthe night I had ended with me in a room with 3 girls. I'll say it went dandy.
phf: absinthe nights never end good
mircea_popescu: punkman> who drinks absinthe anyway << preppy, "worldly" 16yos ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: Huh, losing the BitBet auction seems to have hit pete pretty hard.
shinohai: I do, I rather enjoy it. Got a whole set of spoons, glasses, and all.
BingoBoingo: on the stuff
punkman: who drinks absinthe anyway
shinohai: https://s.graphiq.com/sites/default/files/984/media/images/t2/Mythe_Absinthe_Traditional_412042_i0.jpg <<< just got a bottle of this for bday
BingoBoingo: these things happen
shinohai: yeah only noticed the np after i had ctrl+v'd
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Pls no np links to reddit. Strip out the no so if people wanna manipulate voats with bots or socks they can without getting them banned.
shinohai: https://np.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/4emgbv/psa_there_is_nothing_inherently_respectable_about/
davout: and re the hot wallet, kakobrekla sent it to me, and it was added to the 'currently under my control' part of the cash
a111: Logged on 2016-04-13 14:23 mircea_popescu: i let you know already! http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1449011 and http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1449050 and in general, if you're taking the weekend off or not you still have to read the log. at the absolute very least your own highlights ffs.
davout: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-13#1451077 <<< i have, hence the updated report i'm requesting comments on
asciilifeform: there is a stupendous amount of work to be done, but unfortunately i personally do not have the free arms and legs to do it, currently
asciilifeform: much as i would like to see that cart move when i'm not actively pushing on it, thus far this has not been the case.
phf: trinque: actual state machine is a bit more elaborate, but atm incomplete. i'm writing it so that bot is entirely driven by the state machine, but right now only connected, ping/pong and disconnect parts are thought through
BingoBoingo: ^ From the not a typo department
phf: then if it gets a pong everything's ok, or it goes into a disconnect
phf: it measures time since *last-pong* on each tick, and if more then some time passed it sends out ping with current time and goes into waiting-ping state
diana_coman: jay borenstein, he's the initiator of Open Academy as far as I know (I don't know him personally)
diana_coman: basically there is Open Academy that apparently works to some extent - by that I mean it gets some students to do something useful over a few months with mentors from respective OS projects
asciilifeform: also i suspect that the current crop of undergrads will barf - 'omfg1111, 1990s graphics!11'
asciilifeform: i readily believe this. but never having ~personally~ played, am not adequately qualified to make the case.
mircea_popescu: it seems rather obvious that a bunch of undergrads would prefer to hack on a game over any and all other possible tasks they could get. not sure this point needs further argument, but if it does, prolly the blockhead in question not fit for white collar work anyway.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, my not-yet-fully-formed idea was that it offers a. meaning hence interest from students b. active and responsive channel hence support c. wider experience (aka mystical "industry skillz" we need more of) d. (or overall) actually getting them into a wot that yeah, supports learning and not only tech either
mircea_popescu: in this sense no one could ever do anything. heck, i can't explain why roses are fun and enlightening either.
asciilifeform: i mean, if i had to explain how the thing is fun & enlightening etc i could not do a proper job, sadly.
asciilifeform realized that the idea ~very much is~ euloratronic, intrinsically, and as such asciilifeform is not the man to properly push it to skeptics face to face, not being a eulorist
mircea_popescu: jurov more or less bolted scheme on the thing from what i hear. some other guy whose programming experience consists of flash reskinned the client in a coupla days.
mircea_popescu: they can make a perl bot to bid in irc auctions ffs. anything they want, they can make.
mircea_popescu: they can make a smaller part ; or a method to do x. for that matter hooks are exposed and more or less documented.
mircea_popescu: win-win as they say.
mircea_popescu: can just meld it off eulora, get more class participation while watching more dr who or w/e tyhe fuck it is they do./
asciilifeform: then it is even more of a puzzler
BingoBoingo: AHA! mircea_popescu has a side effect of supporting the entrenchment of English through Eulora!
asciilifeform: or for profs to assign it as hw instead of etherium ?
mircea_popescu: at the core it is - you get the chance to offload most of your actual work on a private company.
diana_coman: I think what is difficult to grok at all there is what exactly (even in broad terms) is the offering - what is this millenium of code challenge at core
mircea_popescu: seems a serious loss, as the convo is very tense in the original, and i doubt anyone but they involved even has the priors to grok wtf is being said.
mircea_popescu: on the other hand, i have nfi how to make it shorter. i guess the irc transcript could be made to go away ?
diana_coman: fwiw I think asciilifeform has a point there
asciilifeform: then i could shove it under some office doorz.
mircea_popescu: well why i put the log in notes.
asciilifeform: imho the megalith-of-logz-with-notes only works when 'preaching to choir'
mircea_popescu: to get under the "hey this is too long for me to read - i'm in academia damnit"
deedbot-: [Trilema] The Eulora Millenium of Code Challenge - http://trilema.com/2016/the-eulora-millenium-of-code-challenge/
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: your article is not very helpful to folks who neither know what is eulora nor can be arsed.
mircea_popescu: it ensured their survival throughout otherwise very unfriendly history, and it is and likely will remain the central pillar of female socialisation and social behaviour. they wail.
mircea_popescu: there's this group behaviour, the female wail. go into a group and shoot one in the head. see what happens.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck asked a bunch of retarded 14 yo females anything ?
mircea_popescu: because the girls said so.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform when i was a kid in middle school, there was this red headed 14 yo that "everyone knew" was A TOTAL WHORE.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-10 15:58 mircea_popescu: it's these specific lobotomies that allow "certain kinds" of societies to function.
mircea_popescu: (now guess why puritans like to pretend like the brothel is damnation, notwithstanding it is intricately linked to all stories of individual success - take paris for your instance.
asciilifeform: what is the alleged/'wail' type of whore ?
mircea_popescu: also very cheap gauge. no need to risk your head - if the working girls don't worship you, best stay in school.
mircea_popescu: which is why whore (the real kind, that actually works - as opposed to what the female group wail purports) is in all times and places the young leader's best and most trustworthy ally.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but this also makes you more likely to put in the work to tmsr.
asciilifeform: much less do them on free will
asciilifeform: just as i, employed as another type of whore, have to do things i otherwise would not even want to know ~exist~
asciilifeform: and yes, whore is paid to fuck folks she would not otherwise consider
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=t.g.i.f.+tuesday | ... Spanish · Swedish · Thai · Turkish · Ukrainian · Vietnamese · Help translate! ¯\_ (ツ)_/¯. There aren't any definitions for t.g.i.f. tuesday yet. Can you define it?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there are more confounding factors for whores. take simple example : you're paid to eat, but have to eat the food the sponsor pays for. what if you think tgi tuesdays is meh ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2016/the-eulora-millenium-of-code-challenge/ any good ?
asciilifeform: and other items i'm more familiar with
asciilifeform: it echoes the price mechanics of, e.g., industrial equipment
mircea_popescu: hey, last time euro dropped 1% in a day, you couldn't get out of the fucking "o noes europe is teh end" usg agitprop
deedbot-: [Qntra] Ethereum Foundation Outsources Forum To Censorship Experiment - http://qntra.net/2016/04/ethereum-foundation-outsources-forum-to-censorship-experiment/
mircea_popescu: anyway ok, brb hacking something together we see.
asciilifeform: esp. if you count the commentz
asciilifeform: (not a single old-timer i ever linked to the logz, ever came...)
asciilifeform: the oldsters
asciilifeform: not the logz, that is
mircea_popescu: i would think logs best. do you think they're defective in some way ?
asciilifeform: then i can write to some folks.
mircea_popescu: basically i suspect we accidentally collided (via eulora, no less!) with a group of well meaning fellows that are argentinia-level managed and perhaps there's a joining available. we see.
asciilifeform: (never mind that you can do this in 100 or so lines of ordinary scheme - no, the wankers gotta have the square brackets, 'laziness', other nonsense, PERMA-welded on)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you're thinking of the prog lang by same name, it is trendoid rubbish
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you recall pretty much you ever said about the turd, i never contested.
asciilifeform: pretty much everything i ever said re the turd, is demonstrated true.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the openssl link is gold, mega-recommended
mircea_popescu: which is what they generally mean by "civilised". antibiological and inhuman.
mircea_popescu: jurov> so you mean "political" == "imposed by biological human condition"... << no. there is nothing biological or human about political space. it is antibiological and inhuman.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-08 15:36 mircea_popescu: here's how spears work : they have a business end and a handle. the handle - always points toward you. the business end - always points to the enemy.
mircea_popescu: jurov> everything we observe and talk about is then "political" << and so it is. re the public/private distinction made by the republic. it further follows that anything public in a space poisoned by the socialist ideology will be political. you know, from polithea, shitpit.
mircea_popescu: plox to also revisit the discussion re shitty computers and "number", and how the field of even numbers is "not contiguous" scl.
mircea_popescu: jurov> eh, get away. all empires had to observe the same astronomical events << the concept of "event" is fundamentally distinct from your notion of "time".
mircea_popescu: not anymore than there exists "fuckability"
mircea_popescu: there really, positively, finally and definitively does NOT exist any sort of "time"
a111: Logged on 2016-04-08 20:36 mircea_popescu: davout i have nfi what you did here. for one thing, shareholders don't get 86, they get 86 + 1% of resolveed bets - 13.37
a111: Logged on 2016-04-08 21:00 mircea_popescu: davout for my curiosity, did you move the hotwallet funds or did you pass the codebase along with the hotwallet ?
mircea_popescu: i let you know already! http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1449011 and http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1449050 and in general, if you're taking the weekend off or not you still have to read the log. at the absolute very least your own highlights ffs.
jurov: everything we observe and talk about is then "political"
jurov: so you mean "political" == "imposed by biological human condition"... but then the term is so all-encompassing and vague and thus useless.
jurov: like, planets are the same on bith hemispheres
jurov: stuff along the ecliptic is visible from all inhabitated places...
shinohai: Sync boxes with the official trilema sundial.
jurov: eh, get away. all empires had to observe the same astronomical events
asciilifeform: what there ~isn't~ and won't be is a unified planetary clock independent of the inca empire of the day...
a111: Logged on 2016-04-13 05:37 mircea_popescu: trinque> and who, of course << there is no "when" outside of before/after other than yet another derpy attempt by usg to matter, which ~nobody gives a shit about. (see also http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-08#1193955 re that if you care)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-13#1451032 << nav satellites actually won't work at all unless they agree on 'what nanosecond IS IT NOW' globally - but notice, they gotta carry own clocks for this.
asciilifeform: also look forward to the nsa 'fix' for this 'bug'.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-13 09:03 punkman: https://eprint.iacr.org/2016/367 "we demonstrate various weaknesses of the random number generator (RNG) in the OpenSSL cryptographic library"
gribble: The operation succeeded.
punkman: https://eprint.iacr.org/2016/367 "we demonstrate various weaknesses of the random number generator (RNG) in the OpenSSL cryptographic library"
trinque: that recently caused me to change the "last updated at" on deedbot.org to use a block number in place of a timestamp.
a111: Logged on 2015-07-08 23:22 decimation: also describing it as 'political time' when the policy is 'matches easily observable astronomical phenomena' seems a bit hyperbolic
mircea_popescu: trinque> and who, of course << there is no "when" outside of before/after other than yet another derpy attempt by usg to matter, which ~nobody gives a shit about. (see also http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-08#1193955 re that if you care)
mircea_popescu: mats> $20, even $10, i get it, but $12? << market forces. prolly the price of a suficient number of hot pocketz or w/e.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this isn't how mitm works. so what, mike_c gets fed bad data, and then we see it, and then what.
mircea_popescu: trinque> I've yet to be convinced that the database isn't a thing << hey, i've been following your crusade from the foxhole, i dun see that it lost as of yet.
mircea_popescu: (yes, obviously could ddos the site, permanently)
mircea_popescu: even exposed their shitty locking policies lolz.
mircea_popescu: trinque> there are myriad ddos reasons one might not want any user to be able to interrogate the db << technically, all php driven websites are just a thin wrapper over user-driven mysql calls.
trinque: the bitbet auction pointed at the same problem, which looks more v-tronic the more I think about it
mats: oh hello there
trinque: then my gossipd deednode chatters about rating deeds to mike_c after x confirmations