BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: These are both rental boxes for S.MG. One is the production machine. The other leased monthly (formerly cold spare) for diana_coman to do testing and such.
asciilifeform: ^ in other noose, pehbot updated to ch19
asciilifeform: grr frustrating. BingoBoingo mircea_popescu when either of you wakes up, plox to say which 2 boxes it were.
asciilifeform digs though log, but still not certain which 2 boxes were spoken of. if indeed these 2, then price is diff, cuz dulap is a colo box, owned by snsa, whereas smg is leased box
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: plox to look again and be sure they were indeed identical tho
a111: Logged on 2019-06-02 19:19 BingoBoingo: In this case since we have identical boxes and divergent prices on the book of 0.23423972 and 0.4 without a USD base price recorded in the statements, I am inclined to take the lower price and round it up to 0.235 to resolve the discrepancy and continue with the pricing exercise.
a111: Logged on 2019-06-02 17:06 BingoBoingo: The very concerned about the poor Frente Amplista wants 300 USD a head to speak for her own campaign.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-02#1916860 << usually just disguised campaign donations, "i didn't give $$$ to party, i bought ticket". very popular dnc strategy in the us, since the 70s at the least.
lobbesbot: PeterL: Sent 2 weeks, 3 days, 5 hours, and 18 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> I'm not versed enough in javascript to be certain. The difference below 24c24 could be something.
PeterL: hi there, I made a small vpatch for MP-WP, because the text selection was not working: http://peterl.xyz/2019/06/vpatch-for-text-selection-fix/
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/06/amazon-moving-into-built-in-market-with-their-spyware-google-drama-shows-voice-computing-largely-human-powered/ << Qntra -- Amazon Moving Into "Built In" Market With Their Spyware, Google Drama Shows "Voice Computing" Largely Human Powered
feedbot: http://bimbo.club/2019/06/philosophical-transactions-for-the-months-of-march-april-and-may-1715-part-ii/ << Bimbo.Club -- Philosophical Transactions. For the months of March, April and May, 1715 - Part II.
BingoBoingo: In the interest of simplifying things and because you are Mircea Popescu, I am inclined to kick the total down to 0.85 split it over two invoices of 0.425 for each of the two machines and have them both run through June 1st 2020 offering a small percentage discount and roughly a month and a half of time on the production box free.
BingoBoingo: 1700.40 USD @ 5319 USD/BTC = 0.319684151 BTC + 0.1175 BTC (0.235/2) = 0.437184151 BTC for a year of hosting on each box. This would carry the production server to April 18th 2020 and the test server would carry it to June 1st 2020. The two invoices would total 0.874368302 BTC, and the next invoicing on the boxes would be staggered one month apart.
BingoBoingo: In this case since we have identical boxes and divergent prices on the book of 0.23423972 and 0.4 without a USD base price recorded in the statements, I am inclined to take the lower price and round it up to 0.235 to resolve the discrepancy and continue with the pricing exercise.
BingoBoingo: In order to break the present state of sin and approach the proposed, more reasonable figure, going forward my inclination is to have box rental priced to recover 90% of their book cost over the first year's rents and in following years track 50% per annum as a longevity discount.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-25 02:29 mod6: mircea_popescu, diana_coman : Ben and I worked out a prorated amount for UY3 for the month of July. It comes to a total of 19 days, which will amount to: 0.03542985
a111: Logged on 2018-02-24 18:39 ben_vulpes: i can give you a pretty steep discount for paying the year up front, but because i'm building out the downline i want to keep the box on the balance sheet. how about a 20% markup on the machine if you pay for the whole year?
BingoBoingo: On one box ben_vulpes sold a sort of harware replacement plan for 20% over the box's book cost. On the other box which was billed monthly, some math unclear math was done and for the lack of a longer term arrangement the billing remained pegged at 0.0578066 BTC.
BingoBoingo: The book prices recorded in the statements for the machines diverges wildly as shown in the April 2018 statement http://pizarroisp.net/2018/05/04/pizarro-statement-april-2018/#selection-1117.0-1205.3 (in the prior March 2018 statement the book value of the first box in Uruguay is recorded as 0.23423972)
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The base price for 1 year of hosting is 1700.40 USD (12 months * 141.70 USD)
BingoBoingo emerges from the archaeology.
BingoBoingo: At the same time the Blancos and other opposition parties are doing the thing where they take street corners and don't sell tickets
BingoBoingo: The very concerned about the poor Frente Amplista wants 300 USD a head to speak for her own campaign.
BingoBoingo: Meanwhile in Pantsuit artifiacts found in the wild, trying to stack bills the Clinton way: https://i.redd.it/uxs7kznf3v131.png
BingoBoingo: Anyways, the Spanish language qntra was set up and proceeded to receive nothing from the very enthusiastic F-dez
a111: Logged on 2019-06-02 13:29 mircea_popescu: o look at this BingoBoingo : http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-19#1024573 << PICHING!!! i didn't notice it backl then...
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-02#1916777 << Lol, all these years later and folks are still Pichi-NG
mircea_popescu: if my net didn't churn 1 gb / minute i dunno wtf i'd be doing here. or rather... i do know.
mircea_popescu: and then of course the moment you actually try to install a game, steam needs at least 2-300mb of further updates.
mircea_popescu: remarkable just how useless computers are these days. so first, i chugged in 2gb of ubuntu. the moment it came up it wanted to get a further 450mb of "updates". then it turns out ~every game out there has pretty much outsourced its distribution (and, i suspect, debugging, such as it is) to steam (with a minor gog presence as well). so you gotta install steam. that's only 50mb or so, but a third layer by now.
mircea_popescu: old, can be used as well as always" ; "Since thursday the visa rules for ticos were changed by Donald Trump so as to require the social media platforms they use (without password)".
mircea_popescu: ie "Behaviours such as sending messages with sexual content to a student or proferring macho comments in class go unpunished in the public universities [of Costa Rica] because of the weakness of administrative sanctions imposed by the rules on sexual aggression" ; "Huawei Costa Rica calls for calm and assures all its products can be used without concern. They assure the smartphones and tables already sold and those to be s
mircea_popescu: good thing #ubuntu has >1k users tho. it'd get boring if the same exact names logged on and off all the time.
mircea_popescu: and in ongoing other-half lulzsaga : ubuntu installer dies, drops to busybox ash because initramfs can't find a live filesystem
a111: Logged on 2019-06-02 13:59 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-02#1916805 << btw , speaking of wiener, asciilifeform has an unfinished mega-piece on subj sitting on hdd for years nao. ( summary -- wiener's 'cybernetics' has ~0 to do with computation of whatever kind, and is exactly the 1950s equiv. of today's 'bayesianisms' etc. and when the crackpottery was , correctly, laughed at in su, actual computers were being built;
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-02#1916831 << should prolly polish and publish one of these days.
a111: Logged on 2019-06-02 13:48 asciilifeform: pretty good illustration, btw, of them corners.
asciilifeform: there is sucha thing as an infectious idiocy. i.e. concept that does to thinking what hg does to aluminum.
asciilifeform: . whereas when reintroduced, 'cybernetics institutes' were built, and ate good % of budget w/out ~anything~ but mountain of derrida-style crapola to show for it. eventually ending in the 'pdp betrayal' and final death of computing as a field in sovokistan. )
a111: Logged on 2019-06-02 13:37 asciilifeform: speaking of which, 'Smart drugs, so long as they're not Benzedrine and don't you dare mention that Paul Erdős lived to 83, that Norbert Wiener pioneered cybernetics, that the mother of all demos was done by an LSD aficionado...'
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-02#1916805 << btw , speaking of wiener, asciilifeform has an unfinished mega-piece on subj sitting on hdd for years nao. ( summary -- wiener's 'cybernetics' has ~0 to do with computation of whatever kind, and is exactly the 1950s equiv. of today's 'bayesianisms' etc. and when the crackpottery was , correctly, laughed at in su, actual computers were being built;
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu had a piece, where described. there's people walking around with the meat equiv. of a box with hosed boot partition, and generally 'reformat' of meat is enuff of a laborious proposition that not worth the reqd effort
a111: Logged on 2016-09-07 02:41 alice_: i'm alice. i haven't interacted with this channel before. but i don't imagine that's the answer you're hoping for
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-02#1916756 << not only settled this q , but iirc since then we had coupla moar examples of same pathology
asciilifeform: pretty good illustration, btw, of them corners.
asciilifeform: 'Interest in Operating Systems, so long as you don't think about the big picture[0] and notice that the inability to mechanically walk a graph, detect and resolve cycles[1] is indicative of a complete and utter failure of all involved parties' << notbad , even, summary.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they're stuck in mental equiv. of 'sokoban' level with all the crates parked in corners.
mircea_popescu: and if 80 of the 100 or so ever alive at one point are lost to that delusion, things like the monkey empire can exist.
mircea_popescu: so they're stuck, alone.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, the only way out is the "dude, i know you're too fucking stupid to understand WHY you have to obey, but obey nevertheless". which, sadly, is indistinguishable from their pov from the common socialist state.
asciilifeform: fwiw i still suspect that if g_l had stayed out of sv, could've lived. the 'folie a deux' nutter culture is deadlier than any known dope.
a111: Logged on 2015-02-18 12:32 brendafdez: ;;later tell mircea_popescu You're squatting the channel ;) http://pastebin.com/YNqdarX7 I could be running some shady business there instead...
asciilifeform: speaking of which, 'Smart drugs, so long as they're not Benzedrine and don't you dare mention that Paul Erdős lived to 83, that Norbert Wiener pioneered cybernetics, that the mother of all demos was done by an LSD aficionado...'
mircea_popescu: it's one thing for habitual drunk to be sober six days ; it's quite another for him to manage forty weeks.
mircea_popescu: what gabriel ladel or the rest could accomplish requires 6-18 month stretches. they do not get those.
mircea_popescu: yes, but the problem with the intervening centuries is that the barrier to achievement rose. what newton could usefully do could be accomplished in weeklong stretches ; which is how he did manage, 5-6 weeks / year, to produce something.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, this is the problem, every generation has a small set of actual human beings, with functioning brains. and the current set's mostly fighting their tulpas.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: that's true, replacing it by parts indeed; not sure it's possible to do much any other way either.
asciilifeform: there were some first class folx hand-massaging 3d and sewing jawdropping silk purses from sow ears in '90s.
asciilifeform: incidentally, apropos of gamez thread, there was very interesting french msdos item, 'little big adventure', that blew asciilifeform's mind, had 2010s-style graphic on 40mhz 486. ( how ? clever gourad system, and pile of asm i suspect )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, 3d lib is cal3d ; there's a more general lib atop it (crystal space, cs). then there's yet another one on top of that. they follow the same 2000-2010-2019 "progression"
diana_coman: asciilifeform: planeshift is the open source game ; crystal space is the graphics engine aka 3d lib
asciilifeform: diana_coman: the 3d lib ?
mircea_popescu: sadwomen aka "empowered modern career woman" being the result of male withdrawal and neglect exactly in the same manner ourdemocracy is the result of smart people just checking out of reality altogether.
a111: Logged on 2019-06-02 04:53 mircea_popescu: was this gabriel laddel then ?
a111: Logged on 2015-02-19 11:50 brendafdez: Last time was also Pete from Coindesk, he interviewed all the poeple claiming to run 'exchanges' here. There are a huge numer of such 'exchanges', most of which don't even exist like coinmelon (refered to by mp as coinmuon bc of the sign at the doorbell). Then there's Latincoin, which is also there athe 'embassy' and also doesn't even exist and is only piching to 'investors' to get money with no product. Last time they were asking for $7
mircea_popescu: o look at this BingoBoingo : http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-19#1024573 << PICHING!!! i didn't notice it backl then...
asciilifeform: the 'dark seekrit' is that almost always makes 9000x moar sense to write new proggy than 'repair' old.
diana_coman: well, the "progress" from olive oil to sunflower oil to soya oil and so on; quite similar there too, indeed.
mircea_popescu: (of course, that sorta workforce can't be fielded, because gabriel_ladel, adlai, brendafdez etcetera type reasons ; meanwhile the sorta workforce that can be fielded, well... they're the office drone, wanna pray and future_
mircea_popescu: if i'm gonna field that sort of workforce, ima just make them make a new one.
a111: Logged on 2019-06-02 03:45 mircea_popescu: i choose the later, because... here's the problem : there's no because, properly speaking. "oh, hurr durr i want to own my games" wtf does this mean in a net context ? yes, i still have and still play homm2 / mm6 / gothic / whatever. but how the fuck are you going to meaningfully save a multiplayer game ? should they send me the server too ?
mircea_popescu: leaving aside how they didn't even have the fucking decency to 2020, they're that mememe narcissistic -- so it goes from killing to chasing to jacking off ? such progress redolent of decay!
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, the best part imo is where their verbiage ends up self-parodic. from the idf.8200's thinly veiled "private corp" webpage : 2000s : Preventing the threat (Blocking hackers from accessing organizational networks) --> 2010s Detecting the threat (Scanning networks for known vulnerabilities identified by previous breaches) --> 2019 Autonomous hunting (Intercept sophisticated attacks with proactive and continuous th
a111: Logged on 2019-06-02 10:38 mircea_popescu: if they're not talking, it therefore follows they're praying.
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-02#1916745 - this actually sounds to me remarkably on point, thank you! (and it further explains to me just why I find the wooden tongue SO annoying; because yes, prayer.)
a111: Logged on 2015-04-25 20:04 ben_vulpes: !rate chetty 2 engineer of the world that was.
a111: Logged on 2015-04-29 16:24 mod6: asciilifeform: I'm just trying to put together the monthy address; In one to three sentences cna you help me summarize what is going on with glibc/libnss?
a111: 2015-03-25 <brendafdez> mircea_popescu it works now. Anyway the IP I'm on now is one of a public AP, it shouldnt be whitelisted. I'll later give you my home IP, and BingoBoingo has my VPS IP already. I didn't know you were filtering.
diana_coman: what pops out to me from all those "other half" is the ...wooden tongue in there; different wooden perhaps than realizari marete but just as wooden as far as I can tell.
mircea_popescu: and the final item in today's lengthy list of "how the other half lives" : "Hunters.AI generates and delivers actionable visualized attack stories". nuff said.
mircea_popescu: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigster in continuing lulz ; 20mn in 2017 should by now be just about in the place where they explain why "first time investor"/retired athlete dies broke.
mircea_popescu: t this point we might be fractal might inevitably reinstantiate everyone else wherever any one of us goes and would be back to square one, or worse with some copies having bodies they want and others being reinstantiations in bodies they don't particularly want"
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in delicious nonsense, https://pastebin.com/h5HxRWa9 ; moneyshot : "A thought we had a few weeks ago during one of our low-low mood phases, that perhaps it isn't worth pursuing bodily separation since we all already know each so well and can basically form new sentient agents in this brain on a whim, with a second's effort; namely, that if any one of separated into a new brain or some other medium of mind, that a
mircea_popescu: incidentally, the original mocker of "change, as long as nothing changes" would be... my prophet.
mircea_popescu: was this gabriel laddel then ?
mircea_popescu: oh, in other news : https://www.scamner.com/check/loper-os.org " Browsing and buying in this website is not recommended."
mircea_popescu: all this with a list of news and events from 2016. that time before ~everyone with a brain left, there was one good week cca april, they even had an office lan party.
mircea_popescu: oh, i'm sory, evowise is not a "", really it's a "Leading by Innovation". seriously : "About EvoWise EvoWise connects consumers and products in the digital space. We continually innovate to produce groundbreaking technologies to reinvent the way brands advertise.We deliver online customers to fortune 500 companies through our proprietary multi-channel technology platform. "
mircea_popescu: the gaming industry with blablabla.
mircea_popescu: served by evowise.com for some reason, which is a "" and also SIX GAMES WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT PLAYING THIS SUMMER. because "Our team works hard, but also plays hard. Be it at the office for a break or at home, we enjoy going on adventures to look for powerful artifacts, fight with tribes and unravelling a futuristic New York landscape. 2016 is a very exciting year for
BingoBoingo: Well they stretch the OS out to everyone else's userland and further stretch the user out to which particular eye candy photo gallery they want to include. Welcome to Africa.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck ever heard of such nonsense ?!
mircea_popescu: and of fucking course it's coming down a trickle pipe, so it was a 10 hour download when it started, half hour ago, then moved to 15 hours as i started ranting, and by now it's claiming to be done in 35 hours.
mircea_popescu: the name for software that changes with the user's pubic hairdo fashions is USERLAND. why the fuck am i... o look at that, there's 1.9 GB to download! the OS!!!! is two gigs.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck sense does this make is anyone's fucking guess. why the fuck would you ever review the os on a box ?! this is the fucking definition of the os in the first place -- that part of software that DOESN'T need to change. it hugs the hardware and is changed with the fucking hardware.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: ty, I'll hit the math a bit, sleep a bit, and propose something tomorrow that is a more sustainable way to price machines going forward than doing a bunch of log archaeology evey machine.
mircea_popescu: anyways, so having unsubstantiably chosen to make the box a phone, now we gotta pick a ubuntu. leaving aside the "manuals" and "with luck everything will just work" lulzies ("Achieve your AI ambitions quickly, reliably and cost-effectively. Multi-cloud operations for the full enterprise AI stack "), the choice comes between
mircea_popescu: so as a factual matter, i expect ima pay something, and i expect it'll be entirely meaningless. in which case, da fuck do i care whether it's a mobile phone and you "own the games" or a nintendo and you "own the cartridges" except... well, you know, you virtually own them.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-25 02:38 mircea_popescu: mod6 go ahead an' invoice. i recall now seeing something like this b4 but no invoice either.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-24 18:39 ben_vulpes: i can give you a pretty steep discount for paying the year up front, but because i'm building out the downline i want to keep the box on the balance sheet. how about a 20% markup on the machine if you pay for the whole year?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> ima pay the 8-11 set of invoices for good time's sake, but gimme a break, if it's monthly it gotta track SOMETHING ? they're all the same amt. << The log I based the one server off of starts here http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-24#1785933 and the other starts here http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-25#1837621 I am more than happy to work something less ambiguous than those two stretches of log out.
mircea_popescu: but you can't expect game makers to solve problems fucking "our democracy" altogether hasn't managed to even verbalize or conceptualize, let alone even take the first steps towards solving.
a111: Logged on 2018-08-20 21:01 asciilifeform: lulzily i documented this in the past , in http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-03#1260586 , http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-15#1406177
mircea_popescu: i would like, of course, to have a say in how that money is spent, so that i don't end up paying 99% on ever-greater-pixelcount textures and support for 4k px wide monitors and other such http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-20#1843222 joys. but... wide franchise amirite, you know going in idiocy's gonna rule all things around you.
mircea_popescu: there's no fucking difference. i expect to pay ~something~ because i don't expect anybody can just photosynthesize games into existence.
mircea_popescu: i choose the later, because... here's the problem : there's no because, properly speaking. "oh, hurr durr i want to own my games" wtf does this mean in a net context ? yes, i still have and still play homm2 / mm6 / gothic / whatever. but how the fuck are you going to meaningfully save a multiplayer game ? should they send me the server too ?
a111: Logged on 2019-06-01 11:34 mircea_popescu: hmm, so since i'm building a gaming station... what's the republican notions for gfx-heavy os ?
mircea_popescu: all joking aside : the best answer i could produce for the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-01#1916471 question stands as "choose between steamos and ubuntu", which in plain terms is "do you wish to make your computer a supernintendo and buy virtual cartridges for it ? or would you rather make your computer a mobile phone ?"
mircea_popescu: files in netboot/ can be used to netboot the Ubuntu installer.
mircea_popescu: various methods to netboot depend on your architecture and netboot setup. The
mircea_popescu: by a window in the wing nobody visits of a nebraska mall.
mircea_popescu: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/04/System_z_Frames.JPG << don't they look fucken sad ? like abandoned cola machines
a111: Logged on 2019-05-30 19:20 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: got it, worx. plox to deedbot-invoice asciilifeform (i'ma have to refill the piggy before i can fill it tho).
mircea_popescu: ima pay the 8-11 set of invoices for good time's sake, but gimme a break, if it's monthly it gotta track SOMETHING ? they're all the same amt.
mircea_popescu: not to even mention how one server of a (iirc, identical ?) pair goes for 0.0396 while the other apparently 0.0578. even using your own prices : item 1 paid yearly in april 2018 then comes to... o wait, can't use your own numbers, start in june 2018only. but anyway, april 2018 was ~5k.
mircea_popescu: i don't specifically care about a few bitcents or a few hundy, but by the time we're talking of
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, so listen, re your last invoice: May 2019: 1 BTC = 5319 USD << da fuck is this then!
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: re 'solar airplane' -- 1 was built in '80s, it hangs in the national museum. not particularly useful other than for 'guiness record' tho afaik.
asciilifeform: ( i actually knew a fella who tried to check into an asylum, on own steam. the latter still exist, but they keep patient for a week, jack'em up with 9000 meds, and let go. to get 'full program' generally you gotta kill somebody )
BingoBoingo: Same reason SV social media wankers will ban all sorts of folks, but they'll keep David Duke and other approved opposition
asciilifeform: ever since reagan closed the asylums
BingoBoingo: For the same of keeping pretense
asciilifeform: iirc the occasional genuine barmy still gets it
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not necessarily. The would-be schizo pensions turned into a sorta ghetto foodstamp supplement as described by tlp.
nicoleci: BingoBoingo, thats the plan.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The pattern of how he exercises his whatever seems to necessarily cut him out of anything.
BingoBoingo: nicoleci: Anyways, consider how many public hangings your master has conducted. Ask him for wisdom and permission to do the hanging.
nicoleci: lmao, i wouldnt trust that guy to put together a model airplane
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: iirc he had a diff crackpottery for each. i never got the airplane 1.
BingoBoingo: <nicoleci> the last email i glanced at he mentioned me being part of the international police << Through your affiliation with the Republic you are an international authority figure of the sort the uninitiated may call police.
BingoBoingo: Dude wanted ~infinite money to finance "tesla of aviation", solar powered electric airplanes. Never mind the lack of utility or range
nicoleci: lol he didnt mention it, he was mostly being asked to leave the room though
BingoBoingo: Can't hurt to blog the guilty
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: fella's either barkin' mad, or feigning (why, dunno)
BingoBoingo: Holy fucksticks the hamster in that one
a111: Logged on 2019-06-01 17:35 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in heathen lullies, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/SzRGZ/?raw=true
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: Was, was the same demo.
mircea_popescu: not during the last century or so
BingoBoingo: I thought janissaries were somewhat effective in the field
BingoBoingo: Anyways, at this rate US activists complaints are likely as useful as active intelligence gathering to foreign analysts.
BingoBoingo: Meanwhile in the US war machine: "“I seem to be getting inundated with black female officers who are being disciplined for dumb stuff,” says Coretta Gray, who spent 13 years as an officer in the Air Force Judge Advocate General’s Corps, the military’s branch for military justice and military law, and continues to consult on cases."
a111: Logged on 2019-06-01 12:49 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i'd much rather dump a package deal than baby this box. i figure the grand or so it cost ain't worth an hour of my time
mircea_popescu: the logic behind http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-01#1916530 if it wasn't self obvious : secure box and gaming box are exactly opposite design constraints. computer games (as a distinct and opposite category to eulora) are by definition code that'll run on your box without your having run it. if you're going to do that ANYWAY, might as well save your time.
asciilifeform: was esp. great on 'hard', where you gotta leave the guards alive
asciilifeform: i liked the old 'thief'
mircea_popescu: hmmm... The Dark Mod (apparently thief remake) may be interesting
asciilifeform: i knew a d00d who almost flunked school from overindulging in 'freeciv', shit thee not
mircea_popescu: i generally pay whatever, 20-50 bux / mo for a game i'm actually playing, on the theory that the fucks who made it, let them eat.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in principle. ( this is where asciilifeform confesses that he has never in entire life eaten game other than from warez... )
mircea_popescu: so basically, if i install steamos, then i can pay eg 35 eur to play sme random title.
diana_coman: out of curiosity I went and checked "requirements" for "no man's sky" (I keep hearing of it, possibly because it's made a few km away from my location): ps2 or windows 7; and the game will take up around 10GB of storage, lolz.
asciilifeform: the irons cheapened, but game people lost the spark of life, very little made these days that eats 3d card other than infinite variations on tired old shooter theme
asciilifeform: about 1k dubloons gets you all the game warez box anyone might want
mircea_popescu: amusingly, a "great" (according to all the slobbering kiddies) gaming comp can be had for what a slut trip takes per day. notwithstanding the suddenly looming question of whether there's even anything to do with it once you get it.
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform's brother slaved for 'valve' for a spell, but it's been some yrs since this )
mircea_popescu: all these game platform people are fucked in the head for not making their own serials-filed os.
asciilifeform: they have some sorta nintendobox iirc, with handsewn linux
mircea_popescu: "Manjaro Linux comes in XFCE, KDE, Gnome, Cinnamon and a host of more desktop environments. Do check out the official website." lawds mercy
asciilifeform: ( the last 1 i personally touched was 'portal' )
asciilifeform: they were all a++ on warez last i knew.
asciilifeform: ( there is nominally a 'steam for linux' . asciilifeform not tested. )
asciilifeform: sounds like it's condemned to eat w7 then
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/further-unboxings-continuatory-motorcycle/ << Trilema -- Further unboxings (continuatory motorcycle)
mircea_popescu: and it already took about half that ordering an' puttign together
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i'd much rather dump a package deal than baby this box. i figure the grand or so it cost ain't worth an hour of my time
asciilifeform: then anyffin that talks to openglism-under-x worx.
mircea_popescu: anyone tried the mint thing /
mircea_popescu: i wanted to try the outside world
mircea_popescu: well then ?
asciilifeform: presumably you didn't buy the card to draw transparent backgrounds in shells with lol
mircea_popescu: so far "get a modern gentoo" seems the only (if vague) option ?
mircea_popescu: i don't mind the hardware -- i just wish to know what software anyone knows of.
mircea_popescu: then i did other things, and i come back 15 years later to discover -- "linux, wut, where you been granpa"
asciilifeform: ( naturally winblows will eat the 1070, but i dun imagine mircea_popescu was asking 'which winblows to get' lol )
mircea_popescu: innit tho ? lifting the motherboard with it i had this distinct impression it's gonna snap right under it
asciilifeform: i'd stuff that thing in a chassis of some kind btw. else it's only matter of time till you elbow it and snap the card edge imho
asciilifeform: lol i have 1 of these in a recently-sewn box
asciilifeform: oughta be doable on any linuxism with relatively recent (3+) kernel, iirc. incl. the cuntoo draft.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: thinking re 'gfx-heavy' : might be interesting to try the recent years' opensores nvidia driver. (supposedly it actually worx.) perhaps send a pet to set it up.
mircea_popescu: hmm, so since i'm building a gaming station... what's the republican notions for gfx-heavy os ?
asciilifeform: the likbez tapes given in 18c will be rolled into vpatch of ch19.
BingoBoingo: Title fixed on latest post to read "Three Godzillas Or The Inadequackecy Of Professional Critics"
feedbot: http://bingology.net/2019/06/01/three-godzillas-or-the-inadequacy-of-professional-critics/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Three Godzillas Or The Inadequacy Of Professional Critics
mod6: Good evening, Lords and Ladies. Here's this month's Foundation Address, http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2019-June/000331.html
asciilifeform: also apparently has autobio: 'how and why i tried to shoot the head of totalitarian state, m. gorbachev.'
asciilifeform: grr, let's fix the syntax eggog :
asciilifeform: oblog period sovjoak : buncha d00dz standing in queue, to buy vodka. ( 1985 'dry law', shortage nao of the 1 thing that there was never shortage of... ) finally one of'em had enuff, 'i'ma go off and kill gorby'. hour later comes back to end of queue. they ask 'so didja?' he : 'there was even longer queue there'
asciilifeform: funnily enuff, according to d00d , the 'trigger' was when he spent his last coin on a tape deck at flea market, and took home crate, opened -- bricks.
asciilifeform: point being, no one gave half a shit re the leaflets.
asciilifeform: this aint the interesting part tho. prior to this fella went all around moscow and dropped anonlulz leaflets 'kill gorby now'. after printed a run of each, destroyed typewriter, filed off the pads, buried. went through 5 or 6.
asciilifeform: knew how to get within range, also a++ . but was just slightly too slow on the draw, missed 1st shot, flunkie fell on him during 2nd
asciilifeform: rehearsed pulling the sawoff under guise of drawing handkerchief (also succeeded) ;
asciilifeform: afaik 'anonymity' was never the hard part, the tricky bit is getting anyone to give a fuck re the anon spews
mircea_popescu: and in spite of all that -- anonimity stayed not for the poor.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, http://trilema.com/2013/anonimity-not-for-the-poor/ is imho pretty interesting reread.
asciilifeform: ( generally there's exactly 1 type of such obstacle.. )
asciilifeform: the sailors had done quite a few things, 1st 'standard', then 'nonstandard', e.g. bled air from torpedos to try an' dry out flooded compartments. did not simply sit.
asciilifeform: crew was dissected right in the dried boat, anatomists brought in tables.
asciilifeform: 1 interesting detail, when boat was raised, the brass split into factions, one of which went 'old torpedoes, too dangerous to unload, let's sink it again', arse-covering. but other side prevailed, and sappers volunteered to defuse. then the 'archaeology' took place.
asciilifeform: was the air intake valve , iirc. linked piece has detailed likbez ( there was >1 mistake, vessel could have been saved even after valve , in principle )
mircea_popescu: so the valve compartment was flooded ?
mircea_popescu: the c80?!
mircea_popescu: hard to believe they couldn't fix a handle in 2 weeks
mircea_popescu: honestly, i spent ~5 minutes this week ; 60% of those searching the spam list for "protonmail" after it turned out this last smartypants ended up there directly. which is how i found the 2015 item (contrary to redditard lore, protonmail was never popular, few dozen total)
asciilifeform: if i had somehow arrived at mircea_popescu's algo then, prolly would still use it today, it does work wellenuff.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-31 13:48 asciilifeform: in 1 particular documented case, where boat was raised 7yrs later, they found that an old salt turned valve in wrong direction. fella served on a diff design for a decade, where dir was opposite. he put such strength into 'closing' valve that the handle was bent. rest of crew breathed for 2wks, aside from one who hung self in bed and another who shorted battery with both hands.
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform put in the ~old~ trap when found that he was spending 40min+ erry day, and ~all of it on nuking clearly autogenned crapola )
mircea_popescu: welll then...
asciilifeform: fwiw i have also nonzero muscle in the loop, after all still have mod queue, for when inevitable idjit pumps in 10,000 copies of helloworld
asciilifeform: the old 'whack-a-mole' approach of filtration maybe was workable in '90s, but today 'fresh' ips cost, what, half a penny ea.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: the way I see it re your approach is that it effectively takes the "prove you are not a robot" route i.e. assumed default is robot, human only if proven rather than the other way around.
asciilifeform: to round out thread : interestingly, prior to adding the 'fg baud' q , i did see several spams.
mircea_popescu: was used on bitbet, though there less effort than xoring
asciilifeform: tho there people go imho to extremes, asking people to solve triple integrals etc.
mircea_popescu: i agree that's an improvement over the broken commentbox from before.
asciilifeform: since i put in the new booby, had two dozen or so comments from half that many people, who did find pressing, and 0 spam of any description..
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu can't be arsed to xor 2 smallints, then comment surely was not pressing matter.
asciilifeform: i threw out the googlistic captcha thing only this yr.
mircea_popescu: this theory is how you have 0 comments from me on loper-os, over half a decade.
asciilifeform: ip-banlist filtration imho sucks tho. puts burden on site operator, for no good reason. whereas if erry www keeper made commenters solve even ultra-simple 'reading comprehension' puzzler prior to comment entering queue, ~for so long as said puzzler aint standardized, a la idjit 'captcha'~ -- then spam, at least of the mass-scalable variety, evaporates.
mircea_popescu: what's the idea anyway, that i'm going to scour earth to find some net dork that sad the unkind about my slaves ? cuz what, i give a fuck ? and what, if i give a fuck it'll be protonmail and 10bux/year vps that's gonna prevent me ?
mircea_popescu: and i'm not about to change it so these go to mod list. let people pull head out of arse already, understand that http://trilema.com/2013/anonimity-not-for-the-poor/ inter alia.
mircea_popescu: 0% chances for this to pass if i don't actually fish it out of the spam list by hand. and for obvious fucking reasons : people who use protonmail are retarded.
mircea_popescu: consider shinohai's latest : protonmail & ubersmart ip : https://cleantalk.org/blacklists/104.244.77.173