mircea_popescu: piratsimon no ; but given what we know about these keys it's a trivial exercise.
piratsimon: mircea, have u successfull attacked a private key you dont own and did you successfull decrypt some strong encrypted file wighout possess of the private key?
JusticeRage: At least it was the case a few hours ago
JusticeRage: I just came to mention that the Phuctor Flask app is running in debug mode
piratsimon: well at least i have to investigate the version. it was gpg for windows.
mircea_popescu: can there be a numeric value for this "loooooooooong time ago." ?
mircea_popescu: piratsimon would you be so kind as to post the software you used to make that key ?
pabs3: are you planning on revoking the keys you have factored?
piratsimon: tyvm for the v
JusticeRage: Thanks for giving me voice. Did you get my MP about the debug mode?
mircea_popescu: sure. write the modification and submit it.
roxfan: could the site be modified to accept raw numbers?
mircea_popescu: punkman> At the meeting with the BBC, Mr Wright digitally signed messages using cryptographic keys created during << i dun recall the derpy "sign with key" thing was ever regarded by tmsr.
roxfan: i was hoping there's an easier way...
mircea_popescu: once you write the thing, post it somewhere also.
adlai: either 60 "random" words have nothing to do with my life, or my basal ganglia are still swimming in lsd.
adlai reminds everybody that the real reason he /does/n't keep secrets is because there were none, to begin with.
punkman: "Mr Wright does not want to make public the proof for block 1, arguing that block 9 contains the only bitcoin address that is clearly linked to Mr Nakamoto (because he sent money to Hal Finney). Repeating the procedure for other blocks, he says, would not add more certainty. He also says he can’t send any bitcoin because they are now owned by a trust. "
punkman: Be assured, just as you have worked, I have not been idle during these many years. Since those early days, after distancing myself from the public persona that was Satoshi, I have poured every measure of myself into research. I have been silent, but I have not been absent. I have been engaged with an exceptional group and look forward to sharing our remarkable work when they are ready.
punkman: At the meeting with the BBC, Mr Wright digitally signed messages using cryptographic keys created during the early days of Bitcoin's development. The keys are inextricably linked to blocks of bitcoins known to have been created or "mined" by Satoshi Nakamoto.
gabriel_laddel: I enjoyed them ~2-3 years ago
gabriel_laddel: And if so, are you familiar with the optimization techniques "optimal braindamage" or "optimal brain surgery"?
mircea_popescu: GyrosGeier> is there some effort to notify people? << not really, feel free to notify whoever.
gabriel_laddel: They merged with paypal eventually though, so yes, close.
GyrosGeier: I've found one from the same org as myself, with a key they use, which is signed by me, so that is clearly theirs
GyrosGeier: is there some effort to notify people?
asciilifeform: GyrosGeier: those will have signatures but gpg will correctly reject them as invalid.
GyrosGeier: indeed, but these shouldn't have signatures from me
asciilifeform: they took legit keys and turned the moduli into repeating lengths of the bottom 32bit of the old mod.
asciilifeform: GyrosGeier: some of the keys (marked 'mirrored' under 'notes') were part of an organized flimflam campaign by an unknown (likely nsa) party exploiting the fact that old versions of pgp used the bottom 32 bits of a modulus as the fingerprint.
mircea_popescu: yeah, fingerprints more important than names per se. though there's some orgs that got clearly raped.
asciilifeform: GyrosGeier: the caveat is that anyone can create a key with whatever name string in it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i massaged the hell out of it
GyrosGeier: lots of famous names in there
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: fromphuctor either you go read up on http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-27#1458766 and do the conversion / publish the tool, or else wait for someone to do it.
GyrosGeier: that makes filtering the packet stream easier
GyrosGeier: do you actually need an UID in there?
asciilifeform: these are being piled up.
mircea_popescu: or wipe the uids if you know how / can.
asciilifeform: GyrosGeier: the box is not set up to handle this yet. sadly.
mircea_popescu: fromphuctor you can export them and check yourself. then no need to assume anything.
fromphuctor: So my SSH keys are probably not compromised, assuming my cryptography software wasn't broken by the government.
asciilifeform: GyrosGeier: pastebin the key plz
GyrosGeier: is there any restriction on what keys are accepted?
fromphuctor: Why were these keys so easy to crack? Were they due to faulty implementations of the cryptosystem?
asciilifeform: fromphuctor: for them.
asciilifeform: the texas instruments key, for instance.
fromphuctor: Okay. So apparently a lot of people messed up their cryptography, and had non-prime exponents (or very small primes) for some weird reason.
mircea_popescu: the size of e is not particularly relevant ; it not being 65537 is very suspicious. it being non-prime is even more suspicious.
fromphuctor: Okay. So the size of the prime number does not matter that much for the security of the cipher as the entrophy source.
gabriel_laddel: Anyways, I'm a bit busy atm, have not been able to get the full masamune replication working, which is irritating. but I do have customers waiting on me, which is exciting.
mircea_popescu: lol they'll run out of dashes.
fromphuctor: How are these prime numbers chosen? I understand it is very hard to find prime numbers.
fromphuctor: I'm reading the linked post now.
mircea_popescu: there's a difference between "what it is" and "how it works".
asciilifeform: fromphuctor: http://trilema.com/2016/the-recent-phuctor-finds-explained << elaborated here
fromphuctor: What does it mean whe the public exponent is not prime?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: mega-unsurprise, iirc their entire economy consists of old men browsing pr0n
asciilifeform: i will be disappointed if the new replacement for the phuctor story is not jp-toilet related.
mircea_popescu: i suppose within a few hours it makes the front page (again) and then it gets replaced with an "official science" replacement...
asciilifeform: first few thou didn't even bother clicking
asciilifeform: or if helping other folk up
mircea_popescu: yeah but trb really doesn't load worth the mention. especially if caught up.
mircea_popescu: i guess they showed us, huh.
asciilifeform: hence the mega-torrent-of-flies
mircea_popescu: hey, one of the best natural cocksuckers i ever encountered was a that-expert.
asciilifeform: fatlottagood they do.
asciilifeform: kinda lulzy, it was on frontpage for a few min, looks like, then manually (!) lowered into latrine
asciilifeform: betcha it'll vanish within the hour.
mircea_popescu: there's millions of them buzzing and the miracle of the first secure computer has yet to be seen.
asciilifeform: 'and if they did, nobody broke a key'
asciilifeform: known, in the wild.
asciilifeform: to search for the idiocy where a diddled or simpleminded pgptron wants to generate an n-bit key, and so it craps out a n/2-bit prime and then gets next prime after it and multiplies.
asciilifeform: the next exercise prolly ought to be:
a111: Logged on 2016-05-01 23:37 asciilifeform: https://archive.is/EJM9s << ftr. moment just before the shot. 210 phucked mods.
asciilifeform: is that it is not so difficult to factor these.
asciilifeform: the wholeFUCKINGreason we are seeing folx with random ints as rsa mods
mircea_popescu: Known Shared Factors: 284648957608675 1118385754444484075 << yeah i guess once a modulus starts showing these, readily reduced by intertested reader.
asciilifeform: there it goes.
asciilifeform: it pings, and i have shell open there
mircea_popescu: first 1mn primes... what's the 1mth prime ?
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1871 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'The Analog Guy <tag@alpha.c2.org>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/65B890243C97BE24B5089EA8B1F6A3BDA129651C31BD33A106BD44ECD8FD8E95
asciilifeform: (these show up as large composites, naturally, in the gcdification pairwise with the 8ball)
asciilifeform: the folks who have essentially random integers as moduli, spew out plenty of additional factors
davout: i like the idea of sending the kids outside to learn from mother nature instead of mother tv, and having the horses around instead of having to suffer a 30km drive to get to ride
mircea_popescu: the old people, and the poor people, can gtfo live in a village near nimes. send the daughter over, will be ok.
mircea_popescu: this is kinda how "civilised" derps go the world over. "oh i don't mind la for business, but really, unlivable". so they all move to SF, 30 years later, "oh, i don't mind sf for business, but really, unlivable". so they all move to seattle. then it';s "oh, i don't mind seattle for blabla", move to portlant. next year...
davout: otherwise it's either overcrowded subway, or overcrowded road, or risking your life on a motorcycle to ditch the traffic jam
davout: the only time of the year where it actually is livable is in august, when all parisians are away
davout: i like toulouse a lot, lived there for six years, but i think it's going to be in the country around nimes/montpellier
davout: in other news i'm moving to the south of france, i'm absolutely fucking done with living in paris
davout: mircea_popescu: i lolled at the champagne towel
a111: Logged on 2016-04-25 02:50 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i'm quite convinced that the difficulties of air traffic are artificial.
davout: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-25#1457122 <<< without atc there's pretty much no instrument flying possibru
a111: Logged on 2016-04-25 02:32 asciilifeform: in other 'news', http://imgur.com/4nqeK3A << in a museum (hands on right hand side are of pet). one of the machines on exhibit was gettable into
asciilifeform: 185.56.82.82 - - [01/May/2016:21:01:09 +0000] "\x16\x03\x01\x00\xFF\x01\x00\x00\xFB\x03\x03W&Rp9\xCC\xC9>\xBC] <<<<< the other one, for completeness.
asciilifeform: in other nyooz,
mircea_popescu: this strategy has worked so well in the past ; hopefully it continues in the indefinite future.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4h7hqn/the_bitfinex_and_bitstamp_market_maker/ << trilema crits bitfinex for over 9k, bifinex shill pretends to not understand what a crit is and whether >9000 is larger than epsilon or not.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i dun get it ? << /ME guesses a sock of that chick with the lady boner for you
jurov: well, the risk was much lower
asciilifeform: 8ball is gonna have to go in the werker
asciilifeform: too many for the lamer gpg format, yes
mircea_popescu: ima have to review the history of this thing, how did it go, you started with 100k shares and 10 btc then got more shares over time ?
mircea_popescu: good choice on their part.
asciilifeform: they were around a professional huckster's.
asciilifeform: rather than some external pollutant.
asciilifeform: they are bussed in.
asciilifeform: and when there are too few,
mircea_popescu: this is the historical solution to the mob problem, "if you're in range of the fascia you were protesting too close". wut happened.
mircea_popescu: what happened to "hire security, wait for protesters to come close, beat the shit out of them with a spiked club and piss on the piled up remains" ?
asciilifeform: '...and in their Air-ship gaily flew / to foreign lands the whole world through, / to learn how Ice protects our food / And works so greatly for our good! / She learned from Mr. Kangaroo, / From Penguins, Bears, and Walrus, too, / Just read this story, / And you'll see / What Ice has done / For you and me! '
asciilifeform: 'The booklets were given away to children, this copy by the Union Coal and Ice Co. in Chillicothe, Ohio. '
asciilifeform: ( from local l0ltr0n, http://www.lib.umd.edu/alice150/beyond-the-books/business-and-technology )
asciilifeform: ators were taking over the market.'
asciilifeform: 'Alice in Icy-land: A story for children. ... Full-color illustrations, not signed. Scores of advertising booklets have capitalized on the idea of “Alice in [whatever]-land” (“Alice in Brown Sugar Land” is another favorite.) Most, like this one, have little to do with the original story, but manage to draw upon it in some way. This booklet promotes the (continued) home use of ice refrigeration at a time when electric refriger
mircea_popescu: perhaps to be doubled up with a rule that all corporations are referenced as Name (MPEx:<a href=http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.NAME>Name</a>) or Name (Scam) as the case may be.
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, BingoBoingo what'd be your thoughs about qntra editorial policy whereby people are referenced in articles as John Q Random (WoT:<a href=http://btcalpha.com/wot/user/jqr>jqr</a>) or John Q Random(WoT:unperson) as the case may be ?)
mircea_popescu: well... and if saw, what'd they understand.
asciilifeform: point being, i'm not certain anyone other than #trilema folk, and crawlers, ~even saw it~.
asciilifeform: (which is why i never bothered with robots.txt)
asciilifeform: they dun move much.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i had the http logz scrolling in a terminal since hour 0
asciilifeform: incidentally google has crawled the thing obsessively
asciilifeform: jurov: loads here. you might be on the wrong side of Great Firewall or wut.
mircea_popescu: i guess they got rid of simple get req's
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that takes me to a search box with the word in it
asciilifeform: where, i suspect, the only folks able to connect to the trb node on same box are also us.
asciilifeform: gotta love the blackhole.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, who reads our scientific studies matters, in the sense that they're actual science. not only valuable but actionable. not reading = death.
mircea_popescu: that's really about ~all that matters. you see, who reads their fake "scientific studies" is irrelevant. because they're neither studies nor scientific, and so http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-deal-with-pseudoscience/ is a complete pill, and controls the topic.
asciilifeform: i am, incidentally, readying the 8ball.
asciilifeform: handily going with this observation is that phuctor is more or less 100% successfully blacked out on the net
mircea_popescu: there's no way out of this, which is why them ignoring #trilema is a forced mistake.
mircea_popescu: or else you're in the business of trying to shape public discourse for hitler, in which case the above is unacceptable, and you've blown your cover.
mircea_popescu: aaanyways. very strict dilemma : either you're a derpy magazine looking to give some material to your readers, in which case the interview being published in fuill and first on the logs does not bother you in the slightest ;
asciilifeform: (lulzily i was working for reuters at the time and had to keep from laughing/gagging)
mircea_popescu: and this is why i won't talk to any of them, unless in this manner.
asciilifeform: aha we had this, iirc, with the reuters chick
mircea_popescu: and if they're not willing to eat his cumbiscuit, it's clear why : they aspire to go political in the manner discussed above.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
jurov: ;;later tell BingoBoingo pls to doublecheck the figures on qntra report, the figures are hysterically off
mircea_popescu: the pill against this, of course, being to force them to conduct their interviews here. which means that our logs publish better material faster than they do. which means that we > them.
mircea_popescu: the reason you do not want to discuss anything with hitler, such as for instance in the shape of hitler's own propaganda magazine "interviewing" you is that they aren't interviewing you. what they are doing is trying for a "o noes scandal and wilhelm lost all his support" piece. if it works, they got it, if it doesn't work, "it never happened".
mircea_popescu: anyway, to bridge this discussion with the kaiser wilhelm "disappeared" daily telegraph interview discussed last week :
asciilifeform: or mircea_popescu is thinking of znort's having asked for them, aha
mircea_popescu: lulzy shit, anyway. complete with sig that used to be someone coming back from the dead, apparently not quite sure what its nick is.
mircea_popescu: except, of course, any bitbet logs are an ulterior fabrication, they never existed prior to march 2016.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform kinda too lazy to deedbot a list of the various spots in logs where the fact that bitbet keeps no logs was discussed. seems about 99 and 3/4% that the whole point there was to create an entry point for later parallel construction, "o look what bitbet logs show".
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: bitchez usually ended up in the humane schools.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes amusingly enough, in ro the difference is made as "real" vs "humane" schools.\
mircea_popescu: then you measured pressures.
mircea_popescu: the idea was quite deliberately to make connection with liquid flow etc, the next year bernouli discussion contained EXACT SAME PROFILE
mircea_popescu: had to confirm the given tables etc.
ben_vulpes: attitude towards math during my tenure at hippieschool was "oh, you finished the long division worksheet? oh uh let me go photocopy some more."
mircea_popescu: old style curricula actually included machined piece of various metals, large chunk with varying thicknesses, with movable screw connectors. with voltmeter and amperemeter, you could measure the material.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: did you folks do the neon tube thing ?
ben_vulpes: with the math, right?
mircea_popescu: uh. no, actually, in my country physics = 6th grade, they spend a year doing such stuff.
ben_vulpes: teacher lined us up, holding the rod, and applied a torch to one end.
ben_vulpes: the school had a copper rod
ben_vulpes: mhm well let me know when you find those other loglines
asciilifeform: so it does not matter whether it has rockets.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: elementary re interdiction range, if you set up no-go zones you can herd the ship into a kill.
asciilifeform: but really does not relish the prospect of pocket neutron camera.
asciilifeform: usg luuuuvs to know at the borders if you're pissing neutrons (note what price of helium on the market did in past 20 yrs. us dhs bought up most of it, for tubes)
asciilifeform: other phun phakt,
asciilifeform: incidentally you can pick up nukez from the air, easily enough
mircea_popescu: (re interdiction zone : yes, subs fire icbms, so have range. but they're not orbitals, and interdiction zone can be practical things such as "a ring around either end of panama canal, down by terra del fuego and up by newfoundland, for instance)
asciilifeform: quite the gift.
mircea_popescu: doesn't have to find you across the atlantic, just lock on you if you come within 100km
mircea_popescu: the mirror relation between "world peace" and "bitcoin" in its treatment in usg agitprop sources being, of course, striking.
mircea_popescu: thus, undermines [what's left of] "world peace", as the usg defines the term. this after the 2000s saw the underminiung of the other chunk, with china, russia and now iran making carriers useless.
mircea_popescu: but yes, for the slow, THIS is what they mean by "undermine peace". the us doctrine is that its ability to strike is roughly speaking equal to "world peace", and this makes any sort of us "projection" unfeasible.
asciilifeform: the kind with tube
mircea_popescu: no idea where that's at by now, and i suspect everyone involved would much rather not even look at the discussion.
mircea_popescu: as well as a programme to deploy pu decoys on ocean floor. tho a) russians map the shit and b) so wtf does it do for you anyway.
mircea_popescu: anyway. if memory serves this became obvious during late 70s / 80s faroe islands gamewars with the russians, resulting in us subs doing all sorts of lulzy, dangerous, landhugging
mircea_popescu: turns out they're really VERY vulnerable, who knew.
mircea_popescu: this would allow nuke sub detector to unerringly destroy all the subs. that's the last hope, now that carriers aren't worth their weight in bull viscera.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the usg is very worried about it, because think about it - unshieldable missile target.
mircea_popescu: (incidentally - THIS is fundamental illustration of "republic may not exist if rules are homogenous". historical republics failed on the basis of people agreeing as to what's beauty in women.)
mircea_popescu: it'd be sad if we all liked the same ones neh ?
asciilifeform: the chick with the fiber, incidentally, was pretty, but mircea_popescu would prolly have said 'pankakeface'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, not that poor. unlike the rest of her misfortunate sisters, at least she has someone to say "you may not be a person until you learn fractions".
mircea_popescu: and you'll have to desist with that, by the way. yesterday girl burst into tears in subte because i went "you don't understand fractions. pick up a third grade book, or at least it was third grade in romania, whatever highschool / college course it is in english, and study fractions."
mircea_popescu: and by "sun" i mean "earth" for all the difference this makes.
mircea_popescu: or in related news : guess oh dear reader why the sun is mostly nickel/iron by mass
mircea_popescu: suns don't yield them, supernova, quasars and black holes only
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes neutrons are interesting for the reason explained in alf's link : they only exist as result of activity of a select set of materials/conditions
asciilifeform: they launch balloons in antarctica
ben_vulpes: why the neutron requirement?
mircea_popescu: (my crude idea being that according to wavelength, the neutrons will be captured top to bottom)
mircea_popescu: you need 3141 * 10**6 * 10**3 meters worth of fiber, and you get the best damn measure of background neutron radiation ever made.
mircea_popescu: actually i'm surprised not more radioastronomy effort is put into this. imagine if you will : array of a few million km long fibers, arranged inside a cylinder, in layers by angstrom thichness from 1mn on the bottom to 1 A on the top, in a circular pattern at 0.001 rads apart each.
mircea_popescu: this sounds more like a job of "if i had the she-thieves" than $$$
asciilifeform: you cant hide the periodic table.
asciilifeform: if i had $$$, would try to score some existing scintillator and put it through ms and get their dopant.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform technically speaking, thermalizing neutrons may take them to visible spectrum. but this wouldn't count would it.
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asciilifeform: it is enough for the cladding to.
mircea_popescu: (in my mind the foremost role of this place is exactly - begging for unconventional wunderwaffen)
mircea_popescu: just for the public relations embarassment of publicising this fact.
mircea_popescu: anyway, let it be said for the record that if anyone wants to move here and do the job, and we can keep costs within sanity, i'd definitely considering making a plant and exporting the product freely
asciilifeform: 'devil is in the details'
asciilifeform: and now mircea_popescu has correctly described the usual $100m apparatus...
mircea_popescu: then you extrude it electromagnetically or w/e.
mircea_popescu: you fill the underside with gas at pressure so exact same density as fiber.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you don't have controlled constant diameter, you lose the total internal refraction and it aint fiber nomoar
mircea_popescu: you just wanted me to step into the dark. i did.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nope. you need the fiber to be straight, or if will kink to death when transported.
mircea_popescu: phf what do you keep doing to these women that they keep kicking you out every three weeks.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, this being unknown unknown. but as an example : take hard porous material (say, metallic carbide), cut into thin slice, heat to 3k, pour melted glas on top, let some of it find its way through necessarily open pores (ceramic is thin), select from the results usable fibers.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-01 14:43 mircea_popescu: phf : could a111 answer to !s "string", on the basis of http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=string ?
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-01#1460008 << yah ascii already asked for the feature. I was moving between apartments, so will go back to hacking in a day or two
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you're thinking "every sperm is sacred" style. think al schwarz "i really dun care if i waste 99% of the glass" style.
mircea_popescu: the irony here being that it's not SO hard to make.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: briefly back to the fiber, from what i saw last night, one would need about 20cm for ideal rng.
asciilifeform: which was factored by buncha folks the old-fashioned way
asciilifeform: ti is famous for that 513b key in the calculator
mircea_popescu: there seems to be no use made of it. i was tempted to make this into a qntra piece, but...
mircea_popescu: there was some sort of large scale diddling of germany
a111: Logged on 2016-05-01 14:50 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> (does everybody understand why scintillator ~fiber~ is neat, while the commonly-available scintillating plastic blocks are nearly useless for rng ?) << essentially, quantum antenna.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-01#1460011 << you don't need photomultiplier tube with the fiber, aha.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-01#1460004 << holyshit, nontrivial factor. and see the 2 mods side by side, and will see why...
mircea_popescu: so depending on how you figure, there's 1.55 bad moduli per thousand ; of which 0.11 are outright factorable, the rest mostly bad exponents.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes> jurov now has the (enviable?) privilege of determining the likelihood that the call will be exercised, and adjusting his reserves accordingly. << somethinglikethat.