asciilifeform: in related lulz, http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/05/04/nist_readies_postquantum_crypto_competition
mircea_popescu: anyway. ransomware seems the designated end-microsoft agent.
BingoBoingo: You know move up from altar boy to man of the cloth, failed.
BingoBoingo though brock tried to "complete the circle"
BingoBoingo: Seriously though, what actual coach even of a kids teams is so opposed to winning that the losing whiner gets to play the big moment.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: didn't pedo brock actually star in one of these filmz ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform didnt the us alphabet soup consist of mostly russian agents by mass throughout the 40s, 50s, etc ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yeah. Mostly about fictional "kids" teams. Tis a disney invention. Gotta start the indoctrination early.
trinque: certainly scientology, and certainly that's not the only
mircea_popescu: but in other news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/c82f899650e6d91fa732e26d4f3050e6/tumblr_nt3dbuVpEU1uolvabo4_500.gif
trinque is very curious about what *other* organizations exist which cut through the various usg entities
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo they have that, spostsball movies ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Nah, its USG. All those sportsball movies they watch with their future fatgendered kids are getting to their heads. The formula is it is never the most athletic player that gets the moment in the big game. Its the loser who "wants it" more. I blame Emilio Estevez.
asciilifeform: hey i consider rape far too humane for these folk.
trinque: hastings was going after him on some corruption thing, so he was nominally head of the CIA and probably involved in something else that can organize better :p
mircea_popescu: you know, alf the rape advocate.
trinque: asciilifeform: that was personal with what's his face lurch at the CIA
mircea_popescu: they can't do anything ; nor can they learn from their mistakes. this is the price pretending exacts of one.
mircea_popescu: the whole of their strategy consists of a) these people couldn't possibly prevail, for they're "mean" [synonyms go here] ; b) these people couldn't possibly have prevailed, because a, so it never happened ; c) go back to a.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> why couldn't hitler have picked a plausible shitoshi ? << was just discussing this with the gurlz. you gotta appreciate hitler is not a person ; hitler is the fucking google ai, practically.
asciilifeform: and other fella asks a notbad question - https://www.pgpru.com/forum/kriptografija/raspredeleniedlinykljuchejjrsapochemukruglyeznachenijaineopasnolieto
phf: mircea_popescu: two missing, one of them i recognize from early script bug
asciilifeform: on what principle did they pick a diagnosable, clinical imbecile ?!
trinque: hitler's fucking incompetent until proven otherwise
asciilifeform: kudos to phf for the harvest.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they are being eaten.
asciilifeform: and about 1 in 10 is a uniturd, these will have to be dealt with.
asciilifeform: piss on the bus wheels...
mircea_popescu: quite the temptation bunny arentcha :D
asciilifeform: gonna throw it in the hopper NOW.
phf: just sanity checking the dump
phf: asciilifeform: heads up, archive contains a bunch of users without keys, where the foo.asc files content is "SELF-SIGNED PUBLIC KEY NOT FOUND", presumably that's the ones that didn't upload (you'd think they would 404 instead)
a111: Logged on 2016-05-02 11:10 mircea_popescu: anyway. domain reg'd feb 16th, first post april 26th. teh boyz poured their sweat blood an' tears as the expression goes. too bad it won't work.
mircea_popescu: shinohai feel free to post http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-02#1460897 for their butthurt.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck further damage can be caused to matonis or andresen. gaping-asshole.jpg already anyway
mircea_popescu: phf want my deduped user list to check that theory ?
phf: i'll do a second crawl, with a slightly cleaned up script, i might've lost a handful at the beginning because of some bugs. it's possible that there's some subpockets i didn't discover.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the estimate from the little crawling i did (looking at convergence of deduped/duped sets) places it at about 40k. previous, extant intel from business perspective said "under 50k". so all items point the same way
asciilifeform: tbh i'll be quite surprised if any of them pop
mircea_popescu: the site is eminently crawleable, page contains a reference to people who interacted with a key AND a selection of random keys.
asciilifeform: phf: did you get these with a crawler?
mircea_popescu: these can just go in as is, sweet.
asciilifeform: it will go in the hopper.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: anything ever showing up in the usual 8ball can only be a factor of a random turd
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this weekend i will hook up the real-time grower
a111: Logged on 2016-05-05 01:04 mircea_popescu: right. so the new standard for a rsa key is (e, N, userstring), and everyone's expected to produce THAT.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: still cooking the 50mil.
phf: are the keys going to be in s-expressions? :)
mircea_popescu: what's the 8ball at yet ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, it's a good idea. will ease the move to proper key format as discussed yest at any rate.
asciilifeform: then we can start having our plugz pulled daily again, lel
mircea_popescu: we'll end up the master sks in short order.
mircea_popescu: apparently there's going to be another 40kish or so from phf hopefully before then, which should bridge us over into next week, by which point hopefully either the ssh or the gwen archives start yielding
asciilifeform: fuel tank has another 2-3 days in it.
mircea_popescu: this takes the fucking cake already.
mircea_popescu: in other internet rot news : apparently google knows of no definition for the english world "unfrequentable"
mircea_popescu: and in short order... cows are expert farmers. because they recognize a farmhouse.
mircea_popescu: expertise means something very different from itself, these days.
asciilifeform: until i rubbed their snouts into it
asciilifeform: i'm also lulzing re how nobody seems to know about the old pgp standard where fp was bottom n bits of the mod
mircea_popescu: awww. all the effort i put into being polite! gone in an instant!
mircea_popescu: they're still unfrequentable.
asciilifeform: just not in the usual honest-wurk sense.
mircea_popescu: seeing how most of the affected users happen to be in germany ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, is it a mere coincidence that some derp posing as a "free journalist" in berlin is the usg point man for the rsa diddling efforts ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo eh they just wanna whine for attention.
asciilifeform: i'm just lulzing over the - apparently backdated???! - shithub
asciilifeform: know if I uploaded any. At least the date roughly matches when I worked
asciilifeform: alice () example com (and honestly it may be that these one comes from me,
asciilifeform: 'Now to the 10 keys that have valid selfsigs. Two are for
mircea_popescu: but sure, watching the derp implode is decent comedy. "oh lines match" "well you have 273 lines here and 259 lines there" "oh this is the list" "except here's 11 you don't have". etc etc.
mircea_popescu: in fact, the difference between pothead and esl-scammer is about of the size and substance of the difference between "poor woman" and "whore" in 1700. o, really , you're a good girl ?
asciilifeform: http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2016/q2/255 << lulz, i sat on my arse and somebody did the filter wurk for me.
asciilifeform: i'm speaking of the genuinely deluded
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is it more or less summarized by pirateat40 harping in chan about how he's going to move the exchange rate and then getting his ass handed to him, publicly, in real time ?
mircea_popescu: punkman odds are you'll end up with the various mtgoxen wallet list
mircea_popescu: some [more] hard data to go with all the rest of the hard data making fools of them can't hurt.
mircea_popescu: there's this loose group of fucktards who keep spewing nonsense a la "cryptoanarchists===us dope fiends set the foundations for bitcoin" and "silk road mattered economically" and so on and so forth.
mircea_popescu: (no, not on a sane sort of system, but on random and mostly braindamaged implementations. nevertheless.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's not MY observation ; but the girl's. i personally neither agree nor approve.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-05 13:14 mircea_popescu: it has been the observation throughout the ages that intelligent people are only happy as slaves ; which is how that whole "behind great man - great woman" thing got started ; or why samuel clemens had to get his daily spankings in wife's bedroom.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-05#1463352 << ahahaha the traditional 'i am mircea_popescu, a demigod, and all ~you~ lusers oughta be in cock cages, puny mortals'
punkman: gonna work on the gwern archives later, feel free to suggest any interesting things too look for while I'm searching for gpg keys/messages
mircea_popescu: and in other breakfast news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/4d5bc82003e288789f8462ad0e9802eb/tumblr_nrhax9qEx81sl4iuvo1_1280.jpg
phf: so i got 38479 users, i'm going to download their keys, and then perhaps rerun the crawler to see if anyone else comes up
mircea_popescu: and speaking of neurotransmitters : the most reliable sign of opioid intoxication is decreased respiratory rate. a rate less than 12 where intoxication is a possibility (ie, not outright impossible) practically guarantees it's the case.
shinohai: "Dear Elon Musk, please fund an expedition to settle once and for all the argument of whether or not the moon is made of cheese of petrified ejaculate from space giants."
a111: Logged on 2016-05-05 13:13 mircea_popescu: how do you know the moon isn't actually made of petrified ejaculate ?
mircea_popescu: it has been the observation throughout the ages that intelligent people are only happy as slaves ; which is how that whole "behind great man - great woman" thing got started ; or why samuel clemens had to get his daily spankings in wife's bedroom.
asciilifeform bbl, sitting on the stake
mircea_popescu: now THIS is entirely within the skull.
asciilifeform: whereas my actual situation does default to defeat and misery, because that is the actual physical space i live in.
mircea_popescu: again : the problem of reacting instead of acting is that you'll necessarily be a muppet.
asciilifeform: the moon does not default to spoodge in my head.
asciilifeform: i am not seeing the victories.
mircea_popescu: how do you know the moon isn't actually made of petrified ejaculate ?
asciilifeform: how do i actually ~know~ that any of what we do makes a difference outside the skull ?
asciilifeform: i end up in the pigsties (bock, reddit, etc.) when i begin to think that the alternative is really a solipsism.
mircea_popescu: but there's something wrong when the brain parasite takes over the brain, and you start pursuing nonsense at the expense of your wealth, your health, your sanity and eventually your life.
asciilifeform: but it was considerably more rewarding than digging the bocks.
mircea_popescu: now, there is nothing wrong with this if engaged in for sport
mircea_popescu: except there's a price! so you pay the price... except... it's ransomed en route... so you... etc
mircea_popescu: for instance : the seclist has a hottie (you think, for absolutely no reason - have you seen her tits ? there are rules for being a hottie, you know ?)
mircea_popescu: so then - C wants the hottie ; but the hottie has a blood price. so C pays. except the price is kidnapped on route, so C pays ransom, except hottie falls ill etc etc
asciilifeform: (money also has legs but they are short and caterpillar-like and thus not perceptible to untrained eye)
asciilifeform: aha, where the value has legs.
mircea_popescu: now then. the russian bride is a peculiar variant of this scam, where the value transferred is not pecuniary, and thus encounters "troubles".
mircea_popescu: but they all reduce to "more fluff to make it easier for C to swallow the faux identity painted over a difference"
asciilifeform: the thermodynamic 'taboo against the coincidence' is described in, oddly enough, winnie pooh! '"Well," said Pooh, "what I like best," and then he had to stop and think. Because although Eating Honey was a very good thing to do, there was a moment just before you began to eat it which was better than when you were, but he didn't know what it was called.'
mircea_popescu: so S sends C you a check ; thereby transferring to you the form of some money ; but not their substance. C proceeds to send S a wire, thereby transferring the form and the substance ; C is out some money.
mircea_popescu: not all these dts are exploitable in practice ; but all are exploitable in principle.
mircea_popescu: the way the scam works is that the settlement of substance.money does not in fact coincide with the settlement of form.money. this because there's an absolute thermodynamic taboo against coincidence.
mircea_popescu: the form of money is obvious, in the sense of the taste of food being obvious. it produces expected reactions in the senses.
mircea_popescu: the 419 scam is a particular arbitrage of the knowledge problem. the way it works is that money in modern society consists of a substance and a form. its substance is hinted at by the "aml/kyc" bs, which is a whole other pile of lulz we won't be getting into here. you prefer to refer to it as "X couldn't own rembrandts" internally.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let us study this problem together, working on the basis of a 419/russian bride scam.
mircea_popescu: what's next ? i'm going to show online sub why i should be her master ? am i under the influence of brain parasitosis ?
asciilifeform: skin not worth the tanning?
asciilifeform: the ~readers~
asciilifeform: not the folks posting!
mircea_popescu: the only problem is that even if you put the effort into bowdlerization, you will not obtain a result better than i do ; because the "formal test" is actually devoid of substance.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: then consider applying your methods..?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's nonsense. mircea_popescu is a matter of substance, not form. what oyu call full bore is merely an aggregate of stylistic choices i prefer [and i prefer them enough to put above the needs of others, because i simply don't care enough about unknown others], but otherwise it has an infinity of formal homomorphisms, and necessarily an infinity of those could match any arbitrary formal test.
asciilifeform: well, full-bore mircea_popescu prolly would not pass the mod
asciilifeform: well the trick is that it's a heavily censored official organ
mircea_popescu: the best policy is to fucking decide if you're gonna or not gonna ; and then do or not do. doing sorta halfway is painful. even to watch.
asciilifeform: the sheer stench of 'official science' in boeck's answer!
asciilifeform: and 'the pig enjoyed it'
hanbot: group projects, in most people's hands, need no further reasons to fail
a111: Logged on 2016-05-05 03:20 mircea_popescu: i suppose eventually they couldn't stand each other anymore or somesuch
a111: Logged on 2016-05-05 03:09 mircea_popescu: the complaints are poor decision process, lack of transparency etc. i wonder if the actual valuable contributors packed and left the various hanno bocks, bob becks and other undesirable politicos behind.
mircea_popescu: all analysis seems to point to the whole substance of that thing being based on a very tooth-and-nail neoprotestant stubbornness of collective action.
mircea_popescu: but what happened to their home island of caspiar ? it fucking sunk ?
a111: Logged on 2016-05-05 02:57 mircea_popescu: e previous point, he's got a rationalist amulet to protect him from things!), but also i notice - that lesswrong thing is essentially dead, isn't it ? one wiki edit (his), "0 points" throughout whatever that may mean, recent posts nobody cares about, latest diary from February, 5-th most recent blog from last month etc etc. i thought there were many idiots in this thing, turns out it's just a handful of derps that meanwhile f
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-05#1463233 << pet informs me that 'there is a lesswrong ~diaspora~, self-identified, in a buncha places, even tumblr'
mircea_popescu: depends on the tumour.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-05 03:09 mircea_popescu: the complaints are poor decision process, lack of transparency etc. i wonder if the actual valuable contributors packed and left the various hanno bocks, bob becks and other undesirable politicos behind.
mircea_popescu: but in other lulz, http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/13996/convert-rsa-public-key-to-the-right-format?rq=1
mircea_popescu: the complaints are poor decision process, lack of transparency etc. i wonder if the actual valuable contributors packed and left the various hanno bocks, bob becks and other undesirable politicos behind.
mircea_popescu: the chick ?
mircea_popescu: e previous point, he's got a rationalist amulet to protect him from things!), but also i notice - that lesswrong thing is essentially dead, isn't it ? one wiki edit (his), "0 points" throughout whatever that may mean, recent posts nobody cares about, latest diary from February, 5-th most recent blog from last month etc etc. i thought there were many idiots in this thing, turns out it's just a handful of derps that meanwhile f
mircea_popescu: he usual crap] ; it doesn't occur to him that while this is true, the expectation that "all the people" are a sort of given, and polyamory must be applied TO them, as they are, warts and all, as opposed to THEM being applied to it, through an extrudation process which substantially changes THEM, as just so happens to be the absolute historical norm both in theory and in practice - but hey, he needn't know this anymore than th
mircea_popescu: http://lesswrong.com/r/discussion/lw/9p9/open_thread_february_114_2012/5v6g << i followed this link off the guy's page ; turned out to be exactly as worthless as expected (take the most glaringly obvious point - he protests that polyamory practitioners are rich powerful valuable people [which he can't confront so he has to mangle up in terms of skin color etc, which doesn't make him a racist because rationalism or whatever, t
asciilifeform: and imagined what their 'trips' might feel like.
asciilifeform: when i was a bored, sn0r3d kid, reading usenet, i sometimes read the dope groups
asciilifeform: it is in the logz - this is the pill that mircea_popescu wouldn't even notice if he ate.
mircea_popescu: maybe that's just the official truth.
mircea_popescu: he said what he was doing, some stimulant or other
mircea_popescu: it boggles the mind, what nonsense people can sell themselves on, for lack of friends and anything useful to do.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he's not JUST into lesswrong, wikipedia, bla bla. he's also convinced "darknet" is relevant in general, that a bunch of inept shitheads were "a cryptoanarchist revolution" and, wonder of wonders, that the pill poppers had some sort of impact in bitcoin whatsoever.
asciilifeform: model has proven remarkably durable despite the constant wearying turmoil of exit-scams and hacks and as I write this in mid-July 2015, there seems to be little chance that things will change substantially soon. (If Tor hidden services are cracked, the DNMs will simply move to I2P or Freenet; if Bitcoin starts getting too easily tracked, transactions will be settled in Monero or another cryptocoin with better anonymity properties, et
asciilifeform: 'I'm no longer as interested in the DNMs as I used to be. I was originally lured in by the fascination of watching a small cryptopunk revolution, and I was hopeful that it would go beyond the SR1 model into multisig and beyond. But we have seen little multisig usage, and that augurs ill for the distributed marketplaces. (What if someone built a trustless distributed blackmarket and no one wanted to use it?) Instead, the SR1 business
mircea_popescu: i almost prefer the vapid floozies. to hear these schmucks " I feel like this post deserves a montage or a slideshow with music. So much reminiscing and joyful sadness. ", makes my skin fucking crawl.
asciilifeform: or they start to slide
asciilifeform: hey all folks with childrenz gotta be deluded into thinking their spawn are worth something...
mircea_popescu: i guess a bunch of weirdos have the usg to thank for their wholly delusional belief that child porn is "big business", somehiw.
mircea_popescu: "Pedofunding A crowdfunding site for child pornography, “Pedofunding”, was launched in November 2014. It seemed like possibly the birth of a new black-market business model so I set up a logged-out scrape to archive its beginnings (sans any images), collecting 20 scrapes from 2014-11-13 to 2014-12-02, after which it shut down, apparently having found no traction."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, they're propping him something fierce. fun times.
asciilifeform: 'In Bloc by Bloc: The Insurrection Game, players join a movement that is struggling to liberate a randomly generated city that changes every game. Each player controls a faction of revolutionaries fighting back against the authorities. The factions must cooperate to defeat their common enemy while carefully balancing individual secret agendas. Build barricades, clash with riot cops, loot shopping centers, defend liberated zones, and
asciilifeform: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1604844025/bloc-by-bloc-the-insurrection-game << via Vexual.
mircea_popescu: alrighty then.
mircea_popescu: right. so the new standard for a rsa key is (e, N, userstring), and everyone's expected to produce THAT.
mircea_popescu: so is the logical thing here to just proclaim "rsa key, as per the republic, is a e, N, string tripled" and then, jurov can dump to THAT format and you'll import from that format later ?
asciilifeform: unless want to generate a pgp 'box' for them.
asciilifeform: no, as in thrown in the submit box.
asciilifeform: right now mods have to link back to keys in the db
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform more's the point : is phuctor happy with a e, n, userstring csv ?
asciilifeform: there was a shit-combinator sponsored one at least a year ago
mircea_popescu: what the fuck.
hanbot: for the record, it's not just phuctor that your friend Boeck [could have done] did. See also [could have] found Heartbleed: http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2015/04/07/7
mod6: <+a111> Logged on 2016-05-02 20:05 asciilifeform: ;;later tell jurov observed any spike in trb site traffic ? (it is linked from nosuchlabs.com) << cat /var/log/thebitcoin.foundation-* | grep "nosuchlabs" | wc -l 69
mircea_popescu: even base64(csv of e,N,string) would be better than the current shit.
jurov: so, should i mess with the gpg conversion? or is there going to be possibility to feed raw (e,N,userinfo) data directly?
mircea_popescu: as foretold in ... THE VERY LOGS!
asciilifeform: his primez will fatten the 8ball for a run and we see.
mircea_popescu: he didn't perp the insemination of his wife, what.
asciilifeform: the original one
asciilifeform: imho he may well be the perp
mircea_popescu: can pretty much ignore him from here out, for all the difference his miserable existence will ever make to anyone.
mircea_popescu: and he simply does not have enough DATA in that file to account for more than maybe 1/5 or so of the factors phuctor found
mircea_popescu: if you look through the list. 5f0000005f is not distinct from 50000005, even if wc -l will count them each
mircea_popescu: i took some of the factors we found, converted them to hex, and looked for them in his list. not there.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-04 22:49 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform imo this is absolute proof he copied the phuctor results without understanding them. otherwise it is plain impossible he has a list of "vulnerable moduli" that is more extensive than phuctor's all the while having a list of factors that includes ~none of the factors phuctor found
mircea_popescu: i had forgotten to dedupe the list.
phf: well, you said something about 50k+, and by the time i came back from lunch my single thread solution got about 19k, so i went "no way in hell is mp's awk/bash hackery going to beat my leet python script", which promptly got me ratebanned
phf: i'll upload the list once it starts looking like i'm exhausting the graph. should've been saving the graph info come to think of it
mircea_popescu: aite, ima call this off then, you're way ahead.
mircea_popescu: then you're ahead of me, i only see 13.5k
mircea_popescu: where ~none is extrapolated on the basis of 2 assays coming up with 0 hits.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform imo this is absolute proof he copied the phuctor results without understanding them. otherwise it is plain impossible he has a list of "vulnerable moduli" that is more extensive than phuctor's all the while having a list of factors that includes ~none of the factors phuctor found
mircea_popescu: well meanwhile google only shows trilema for any hannob/pgpmoduli search i do ; and i dunno how to derive an actual location from that url. when was the vuln moduli .txt published ?
mircea_popescu: so i fell on the exactly... one he had out of thin air ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: but that boeck is the ~perp~, laughing at us.
asciilifeform: not re the 'random numbers out of his arse'
shinohai: even xhamster announced they would not pay for nudez of her.
shinohai: I wonder what mircea_popescu would do to trilema readers if trigglypuff cam in here to do the "I'll pay for your tits" thing.
mircea_popescu: well, she's obese, but otherwise under 30 no ?
mircea_popescu: shinohai hey, the idea of even dressing young women indoors is bizarre.
trinque: cisheteropatriarchy << rolls right off the tongue
shinohai: "I'm socially awkward and hate wearing clothes" <<< Dear Lord.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: oh the torrent ? cool. is it actually 50gb ?
asciilifeform: it is in the logz somewhere.
punkman: asciilifeform: did you say something about recovering pubkeys from rsa signatures in the past?