BingoBoingo: In other news the popular press is referring to the company that invented the LED as a "seeds" company. Not even a chemical company anymore. Just a Burpee catalog with higher profit margins.
asciilifeform: what was the result ?
mircea_popescu: 3. you BUY all the studios, take them apart, and reform a large alien studio out of the parts. this is the end. hollywood will no longer mean anything to anyone outside of what it means to you.
mircea_popescu: 3. you create a major alien studio out of shit from the spaceship. this reduces to either 1 or 2 ; generally the mob will fluctuate and undulate and try to fuzz you out, see which of the two reductions works best for them.
mircea_popescu: 2. you invest in all the studios, and let them manage it. this will coallesce into a situation where you're "loved" in the particular way the mob loves. let's call it the marc anthony situation, why the hell not. you'll die at their hands, eventually, somehow. that's their love.
mircea_popescu: 1. you kill anyone and everything that displeases you. this will coallesce the more competent cunts around you, and unite the idiots against you. let's call it the swift scenario, for you're creating a confederacy of dounces.
mircea_popescu: the item in conceptio.
mircea_popescu: again - not the item per se.
mircea_popescu: (no, not directly. but nevertheless)
asciilifeform: they took too much lsd, or what
asciilifeform: then wtf is cn doing shipping anything to this here zimbabwe
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this happened once before, at the very least. americans used to go to yurp and buy "art" in the 1880s.
asciilifeform: in so far as i can tell from my pit, they only need usd, and only need it because of an elaborate chumpatron which encompasses ~everyone
mircea_popescu: Well, that's patriotism, the girls in this example show "love of their ghetto" and that's the thing upon which socialist Romania was built, if you're curious - a structure otherwise borrowed from Carlist Romania. Totul pentru patrie!"
mircea_popescu: ested pressed shitboard nightstand. But indifferent to all these points, they play a role to support a theory : the theory that here too, in the assghetto of shit "we got fine stuff", and a John who, even if only four letters long, is still quite as great as any Mircea come from afar.
mircea_popescu: at his feet, just like the other two. They're definitely not slavegirls, they have neither the training nor the skills nor in the end the needs or structure of that relationship, and no marble columns, no gardens where water sprinkles among the cypress nor artesian fountains springing forth marzipan await them at home, but instead the nude concrete walls, the [low class mass produced kitsch wallhanging stuff], the bedbug inf
mircea_popescu: " So we understand each other : John is some poor and kinda stupid kid from some ghetto in some indistinct townlet. One day, Mircea the Bad comes there on whatever business, sits down in the bar with his two bitches curled up at his feet and drinks a rum or something. The girls from the ghetto, for love of their country (in our example, that sad ghetto) pick John up forcibly, sit him down at the table next to mine and curl
asciilifeform: i.e. why they trade
mircea_popescu: in the us however, it's dry ambition. or to quote,
asciilifeform: it isn't entirely clear to me what the chinese even need from usa
mircea_popescu: at least in the ru privatisation, the driver was personal appetite, egotism, a will to live. that's good, no matter what the losers say. fuck the losers with a flaming spiked club.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not even a matter of sons ; the usg has no sons, nor any vigor in the seed. it's a matter of desperation - everything americans don't buy, the chinese buy, take apart and move to china.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile 2 obama, 2 bush, 2 clinton and a bush sr back, the share buybacks were 5% that.
mircea_popescu: the past ten years, share buybacks were ~3bn. of which 500 bn 2015 and 500bn 2014.
mircea_popescu: (and where's the money come from, you wonder ? ah, well, usg.fed.jpm and usg.fed.gs are lending companies money to buy their own stock back :)
mircea_popescu: (ah and in case anyone wonders where the money went ? M&A market. if you don't know what this is - it's when i buy your daughter to take her to shanghai.)
mircea_popescu: works in marriage, the same way. and so on.
deedbot: [Qntra] Ingsoc Victory: Britain's Children Too Fat To Breathe - http://qntra.net/2016/05/ingsoc-victory-britains-children-too-fat-to-breathe/
mircea_popescu: the ever-obnoxious reality of economics is that the people you want buying you never pay much ; and the people who pay much you never really want.
mircea_popescu: maps quite exactly on your "hands in pies" theory.
mircea_popescu: but otherwise... nope.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is like "apple could buy russia" talk. no, they do not. they like to pretend they do. and much like the dumb housewife of some random local tough, some people BELIEVE THEM.
mircea_popescu: and speaking of "fed policies" : the fed created a "bull market" that was really a paper bubble devoid of any economic substance whatsoever. guess who rode it to the very peak ?
mircea_popescu: "will it beat up superman" "dude... you think this is the cartoons ?"
mircea_popescu: you should see their tower in bsas.
mircea_popescu: there
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform recall the thread about the ICBC that's about as large as the sum total of us banks yet trades in ny on the pink sheets ?
asciilifeform: where exactly lives the mythical paper-ANYTHING that is not usg-exposed ?
mircea_popescu: SO FAR THIS YEAR they've dumped about as much.
mircea_popescu: soo, chinese govt unloaded half a trillion "western world and modern democracy" (WWMD) paper in 2015, including ~300bn us treasuries. that's about 1/6 of their total exposure to usg bonds.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-23 14:42 mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/cebca20a7d992a5e1f0cfded1e75ed1d/tumblr_n28w04wx071qmafq2o1_1280.png
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for some reason this reminds me of the grenade proposal
mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/cebca20a7d992a5e1f0cfded1e75ed1d/tumblr_n28w04wx071qmafq2o1_1280.png
a111: Logged on 2015-10-01 07:57 mircea_popescu: the OTHER however, and in the us population without exception the more important, is toxin load. the body has two approaches to dealing with toxins : excretion and fat burial.
asciilifeform: recall orlov's hypothesis re how american-fat will kill the victim if he begins to burn it ?
mircea_popescu: the human skin, unbreached, is a fantastic barrier to all this ; but like everything else it requires irrigation to function.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the margin phenomena of the human sphere are platelet agglomeration on one end ; and aerobic necrosis on the other. the former makes a scab. the latter makes what fly maggots eat. which way the wound goes is decided by how much useful blood shows up per unit time.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-23 13:32 mircea_popescu: anyway ; yes, fat isn't innervated nor particularly perfused, and the more distant the less connected. which is why really fat people CAN'T actually lose weight. how would they, it is closer to a burlap backpack than a tissue.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-23#1470702 << i'm pretty sure none of the folk in the ru photos of auschwitz etc piles were fat.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: anyway ; yes, fat isn't innervated nor particularly perfused, and the more distant the less connected. which is why really fat people CAN'T actually lose weight. how would they, it is closer to a burlap backpack than a tissue.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-23#1470694 << it missed a whole bunch of these
Framedragger: s/jokers/wankers/ , on further reflection
Framedragger: oh mein gott, the language of these "abuse complaints"... your Server/Customer with the IP: [...] has attacked one of our servers/partners. The attackers used the method/service: *ssh*
mircea_popescu: maybe you could use your skillz to order them food.
Framedragger: it can form some kind of series, piglets & shitty refrigerators with open shells, or whatever is running on the internet these days
BingoBoingo: Anyways when you get the ssh thing written up pls submit it, but also do the piece on the pigletts if you want to.
mircea_popescu: at some point the notion of "child" must end to give way to the notion of "pig". why not just sausage them ?
mircea_popescu: certainly the "ssh census" will be a valuable qntra article which you're invited to write once done.
mircea_popescu: yeah rather useful i'd say
Framedragger: they'd look like "31.204.153.252:22 SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_6.0p1 Debian-4+deb7u4"
Framedragger: (i did store the 'banners' associated with all those IPs though, would consider merging them into the CSVs to become comments. don't know how useful, but curious (e.g. whether weak device is an embedded appliance/router etc))
Framedragger: i'm afraid these keys won't contain any additional comments or email addresses. while the latter are stored on the ssh host, they are not transmitted during key exchange, viz.: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/e9318ddf-dfb5-494b-8c75-ecda5ebe30b1/
Framedragger: (scanning the whole ipv4 in the sense of "check if something's listening behind this port, for all IPs" is apparently the easy part, even with no/little investment. you don't need to use stateful sockets etc. extracting particular info after doing some back-and-forth is where it's harder to scale.)
shinohai: the crystal ball still works
mircea_popescu: oh and re the perennial discussion of progress and "what things cost" : i'd like a pound of costards, please.
a111: Logged on 2015-11-29 18:02 trinque: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/29/us-mideast-crisis-turkey-russia-pilot-idUSKBN0TI07T20151129 << the angle I see here is that Turkey wants Russia to tell them of their operations in Syria in advance so that Turkey can pass the information along to their allies within
mircea_popescu goes to fish for the piece of logs where this was predicted.
deedbot: [Trilema] The Herd of "Independent" Minds, or Has the AvantGarde Its Own Mass Culture? - http://trilema.com/2016/the-herd-of-independent-minds-or-has-the-avantgarde-its-own-mass-culture/
mircea_popescu: there's people everywhere.
diametric: saw some kind of schism happen, didn't realize it actually resulted in the fracturing of the channel.
mircea_popescu: the magical fix, entirely undocumented of course, is to invoke "convert -colors 256 -alpha off -density 300 in.png out.tif" and let imagemagick (yeah, that horror) output stuff tesseract magically likes just fine.
mircea_popescu: and we proceed to discover the wonders of the web! google produces a bevy of "ocr services". as follows : newocr.com "Error! Text can not be recognized." ; ocr.space (best!!!) "Error: All images / PDF pages gave error. None of the image / page was successfully converted. Please check the errors in result area." and in that "page area", "****** Result for Image/Page 1 ****** Error:"
diametric: so i've been brought current on one side of the fork.
mircea_popescu: ima publish it later on, fucking scandalous bullshit this. TEN YEARS AFTER THE DEATH OF THE AUTHOR. NO EXCEPTIONS. NO ASSIGNMENTS. NO BULLSHIT.
mircea_popescu: and in yet other lulnewz, harold rosenberg wrote "heard of independent mind" in 1948, and died in 1978. guess who the fuck STILL claims copyright over that fucking essay ? usg!
mircea_popescu: in other accidental news, http://www.hampsteadparishchurch.org.uk/data/vol_rate.php << "one tenth of one penny for each pound".
shinohai: oh well then, almost got eulora-style logs working good enough
asciilifeform: ANOTHER perfectly non-mirrored mod
asciilifeform: and to find and flondor the authors.
asciilifeform: (and aha the good doktor boeck knew all along!1111)
asciilifeform: at this point it is a dead certainty that one of the '90s winblowz pgps was wholly a crock of shit
asciilifeform: incidentally, re: earlier phucked key, https://sks-keyservers.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=visentin%40milano.italtel.it << the genuine article
asciilifeform: the figures normally given are in bit.
asciilifeform: (the keybase set was posted here and i shoveled it in directly)
asciilifeform: was this done via the front door and i slept through it ..?
asciilifeform: i don't recall the shithub keys dump having yet been thrown in
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: theory draft looks pretty good, i'ma format it tonight (or possibly tomorrow, depending on meatspace chores i'm about to march off to)
mircea_popescu: funny that he kept chasing the ill brought up (if very pretty) whore. imo she was a detriment to him.
mircea_popescu: actually, re the times and places of that bull, kathrine hepburn and richard burton made an excellent film.
asciilifeform: ('anathem', mega-b0000k)
mircea_popescu: (really, i only quoted it for the very interesting introduction - plainly states that teh beoble hate us, and always have, and logically always will. because the fruits of satan's own belly can't do no better. o.O)
mircea_popescu: but the privilege of the learned man is that he may pick from the books what he wants ; and by now there's sufficient books for anything. thus therefore, clericis laicos stands.
mircea_popescu: then got pissy, english king declared the clergy in a state of outlawry, which did noting, and the french king banned export of money fro mfrance, which starved rome.)
mircea_popescu: the respective kids were about to go crusading on each other's ass on boniface's property, so he issued the bull.
mircea_popescu: (the original bull issued in a situation where france and england were moving towards war ; and because there was precedent that churchly goods may be taxed for a just war - ie, a crusade.
mircea_popescu: you can't revoke a bull. they stand for permanent memory of mankind
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: why did boniface essentially revoke the clericis laicos bull ?
mircea_popescu: oh btw, roman law, restated by gratian : someone suing in violation of forum priviledge thereby loses his claim, no matter how well established it may be substantially.
mircea_popescu: aite then.
mircea_popescu: no, discriminate keys in "newly added" NA and "already known", AK, and then discriminate 8ball in historical H and what we're currently adding CA, and then pair NA with H and AK with CA.
asciilifeform: (treating any key differently from any other would substantially complicate the mechanism)
mircea_popescu: "new" refers to phuctor pov, not otherwise.
asciilifeform: submitted as part of the warmup
asciilifeform: the 1 minus is that firing gets slower with time.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hence the importance of 8ball growth.
mircea_popescu: and, ironically, the privilegium fori could not even be renounced by individuals.
mircea_popescu: the institution survived in what's today probation.
mircea_popescu: amusingly, this existed before (during feudalism, of course, the time everything cool existed). clerics were immune to temporal courts, all they had to do was plead privilege of clergy.
mircea_popescu: fuck me if i want to organize tmsr versions of "customer support" calls, general hospital practice, "they took our jerbs" response and all the myriad other pebcac issues the world's filled with since roosveltism filled it with beoble.
mircea_popescu: that's the one loose end of the world right now, that they somehow got the idea everyone's a child and their kindergarten "rules" matter in the objective.
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, let the socialists run the daycare, that's what they know and what they're for. the only edge is that they MUST come to terms with the fact that they're not "il factotum de la citta", but some derpy old women running the daycare, must stay out of way of men, and bow head respectfully when encountering them
mircea_popescu: not really, in the ideal. who the fuck wants to take over the role of feeding the cattle. (point in case : http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-05-22.log.html#t14:21:58 ). i see little drawback to the solution of "massacre all teh beoble" if it comes to that.
mircea_popescu is formulating the other plan, wherein the schmucks haven't learned ANYTHING from the bitcoin experience, will continue with uppity bullshit and we'll in short order end up having to organize bombing campaigns because idiot socialists imagine they may arrest republican folk.
mircea_popescu: dun have to post the code, no.
asciilifeform: i'd even post the code, but it may help hitler more than it helps us
mircea_popescu: you gotta force the world to submit. that journey starts with the first step : show it what to submit to.
asciilifeform: folks can generate their own primorial, it is quite trivial
mircea_popescu: Framedragger if indeed ssh-keyscan wipes it, you'll end up having to gut the tool, and recompile it. ssh-keyscan-tmsr
asciilifeform: esp the typical winblowz victim's
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: scanning from consumer boxen takes motherfucking forever
mircea_popescu: something in the vein of what was that project called...
mircea_popescu: with the difference that we were looking for storage/hosting space as well, so might as well make it a p2p abstract republican implementation of aws.
mircea_popescu: and if push comes to shove, we might as well use the method described in the original census - ie, write a proper virus for it.
mircea_popescu: the probject just suddenly acquired a new valence : it will allow us to also reject shitty hosts! move whenever one turns out shit, see what you're left with. report here, too.
asciilifeform: and when you scan from orc box, you often get blackholed on ~other end~
asciilifeform: unfiltered net is a thing of the past
a111: Logged on 2016-05-22 12:23 Framedragger: maybe asciilifeform had a point about modern stupidity re. network. i've been very joyfully scanning on three non-amazon hosts and just received first abuse complaint. need to move ops to the likes of ukraine/bulgaria, lookslike! >.<
mircea_popescu: Framedragger you can also tell them that we're in the process of probing the internet for sever ssh key to break them via phuctor, and as this is a tmsr problem they can get phucked - it will get done over their dead bodies.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-19 15:03 mircea_popescu: as the maximal leverage avaialble to the individual increases, the % of things crawling out of cunts (which, recall, run perl) that may ever individuate decreases.
mircea_popescu: and no, they just do not want to be useful to "us", ie, independent people, ie, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-19#1468530
BingoBoingo: Well how do you think they knew to care?
Framedragger: maybe asciilifeform had a point about modern stupidity re. network. i've been very joyfully scanning on three non-amazon hosts and just received first abuse complaint. need to move ops to the likes of ukraine/bulgaria, lookslike! >.<
a111: Logged on 2016-05-22 03:49 mircea_popescu: Framedragger iirc ssh pubkeys also include an email do they not ?
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-22#1470431 << hmh actually not sure now. it doesn't seem that the email addy in the ssh host's pubkey is sent to client. yet you're right in that the email addy is included (in e.g. /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key.pub). will check (ssh-keyscan explicitly doesn't give/relay it though)
Framedragger: "trinque: Framedragger: if you get tired of aws, there's this cheap-as-shit DC called Joe's Datacenter I've been using" << sooo :) do you know by any chance if *they* are behind any stupid gear which may filter out mass scans?
Framedragger: *they are behind
Framedragger: (ah more like, they arbor networks' gear, but i was advised the latter may preemptively throttle / filter out scans)
Framedragger: oh god damn it, apparently amazon aws is behind one of those "we protect you" things - arbor networks - these folks detect scans and filter them. fuck amazon, then
a111: Logged on 2016-05-22 03:46 mircea_popescu: Framedragger a sample sorta thing works to have what to get things going with ; but in general, just do and deliver the whole bunch
a111: Logged on 2016-05-22 03:49 mircea_popescu: Framedragger iirc ssh pubkeys also include an email do they not ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how about we add a credits page, move bernstein there, also add phf for keybase spidering, jurov for github spidering, others as may be ? also theory prolly should be rewritten
mircea_popescu: Framedragger iirc ssh pubkeys also include an email do they not ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, re the mysterious reappearing 4bn : this is kinda why it's best to err on the side of verbosity a little. if it gets tedious we can cut it back later.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger a sample sorta thing works to have what to get things going with ; but in general, just do and deliver the whole bunch
asciilifeform: i want to know where the hell it was before...
a111: Logged on 2016-05-22 01:57 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-22#1470357 << on one hand, i care ; on the other hand - there's not that much traffic from phuctor to warrant looking for ways to lower it.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-22#1470380 << it is bothering me greatly that i have nfi why any 4294967297's remained to be nailed
Framedragger: i guess i'll give the results in that format for those 95k ssh hosts (actual number of keys will be lower, i can see that some of those hosts are providing clients a nil set of encryption mechanisms, etc etc
asciilifeform: the unfortunate bit is that i am not quite yet equipped to do anything with this.
asciilifeform: whole-word boundaries at the very least, is sane.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-22 02:00 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-22#1470366 << no it's not worthless omaigerd. that's how i search for things. you want to search for the string use "
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: in regards to ssh key spidering, it's best then to produce output in the form of e,N,comment - is that right? (where comment in this case would be the ip addr)
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 4294967297 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Vincent Thenhart <email_vincent@web.de>; Vincent Thenhart <vincent.thenhart@piraten-rlp.de>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3AA58F9BF28C0A4F3A8450E3194CC86A946D9B6A49E362AFCFFA950F72894DBB
Framedragger: so what you're saying is there's no ip exhaustion crisis at all!
mircea_popescu: open source stack o' shit for the love o' christ.
Framedragger: i'm now running the reliable but slower ssh-keyscan on the 95k ssh-running IPs just to get a decent sample. will later revisit wtf zmap is doing
mircea_popescu: and in other balls, http://66.media.tumblr.com/56de3f906afad9912c8263018cc813af/tumblr_myauw3UN731skdw0qo1_250.gif
a111: Logged on 2016-05-22 01:20 Framedragger: ..hrm. zmap finished scanning sixteen /8's (so a sixteenth of ipv4 space, minus reserved blocks), but in those blocks there were two known servers running openssh which was picked up by ssh-keyscan. they weren't picked up by zmap. if the thing is unreliable then it's worthless (it still found > 95k of ssh servers though, but...)
mircea_popescu: and whai do you ambush lords for your failure to use the things properly!
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-22#1470366 << no it's not worthless omaigerd. that's how i search for things. you want to search for the string use "
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-22#1470357 << on one hand, i care ; on the other hand - there's not that much traffic from phuctor to warrant looking for ways to lower it.
Framedragger: ..hrm. zmap finished scanning sixteen /8's (so a sixteenth of ipv4 space, minus reserved blocks), but in those blocks there were two known servers running openssh which was picked up by ssh-keyscan. they weren't picked up by zmap. if the thing is unreliable then it's worthless (it still found > 95k of ssh servers though, but...)
asciilifeform: other than shitoogle
gribble: The operation succeeded.
Framedragger: ah ok thanks for the explanation! more logs.... :)
a111: Logged on 2016-05-22 00:37 Framedragger: ^ re. product-security@apple.com's key, or is that some broken sub-key of the master key, or somesuch? (broken 'cause of the "Modulus has mirrored low-order 32 bits !", for whatever original cause/reason)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-22#1470355 << there was a set of entirely phony keys, built via a certain algo, by an unknown 3rd party long ago. see logz.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
Framedragger: ^ re. product-security@apple.com's key, or is that some broken sub-key of the master key, or somesuch? (broken 'cause of the "Modulus has mirrored low-order 32 bits !", for whatever original cause/reason)
a111: Logged on 2016-05-21 18:53 trinque: Framedragger: if you get tired of aws, there's this cheap-as-shit DC called Joe's Datacenter I've been using
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-21#1470259 << that's nice, thanks trinque - are they able to provide near-100mbps for their cheapo VPSs?
Framedragger: seems that their current key is different fwiw: https://www.apple.com/support/security/pgp/ ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/1ZY126A dunno if worth your time, but anyway. << If they wanna write the steps are available. Dun see the point of the kink exchange
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu growing 8ball installed. it will take several days for it to exceed the size of the old 8ball tho. however, it auto-saves and resumes in case of reboot, etc.
shinohai: https://steemit.com/girlsgonesteem-nsfw/@steempower/welcome-to-girls-gone-steem#comments <<< the logo even looks like a turd. "steem"
asciilifeform: megatonnes of old-school 'seals', 'tamper' whatevrthefucks
mircea_popescu: birch seed can not grow under the shade of adult birch trees. beech seed can. that's all the difference.
mircea_popescu: varies with the zone, but anyway.
mircea_popescu: which is why the state-volcano, or state-plow or state-something is always needed
asciilifeform: it is the closest thing to wheat among trees
mircea_popescu: but outside of catastrophe, socialism fares as well as wheat. birch forest is the stable solution, not fucking wheat field.
mircea_popescu: and the moore law (pars pro toto, it's really starting with steel) catastrophe created the roosevelt socialism, aka "modern democracy" / "human rights" / "peace movement" etc.
mircea_popescu: the tsar impedance mismatch created communism, ie, eco-first socialism ; the ww1 shock created national-socialism, ie, "we're all equal except for those schmucks" - and perhaps noteworthy here that the nazis couldn't quite decide if they're enumerating badness or goodness or what. but the idea was, "socialism within the bubble"
asciilifeform: the perennial favourite example (as seen in, e.g., orlov, and elsewhere) is bacteria in agar
mircea_popescu: the social notion of cheapness and the individual notion of herring however fluctuate.
mircea_popescu: so to come full circle : the items of interest in (the otherwise very on point) question "how cheap energy before it is scania herring" are cheap and herring ; not energy - that is always as cheaper as it always is, slightly more expensive as newton's death approaches.
asciilifeform: but i have nfi what is in them.
mircea_popescu: note that the higher energy output of rice vs wheat has created ... larger azn cities. that's all.
mircea_popescu: socialism is the equivalent of grain : may only exist after cataclysm.
mircea_popescu: after a generation of that, the value of walmart would equalize and we'd have a rehash of actual society.
asciilifeform: rather than kind
asciilifeform: how does '1m people, 2m collapsed wallmarts' differ from 'put shit in the ground and let the sun do the work' ?
a111: Logged on 2016-05-21 18:14 mircea_popescu: there'd be no end and no shortage of anarchistic-flavoured socialism everwhere if "society collapsed" and there were 1mn people left and 2mn walmart warehouses stacked.
asciilifeform: how cheap the energy before it is 'socialist herring' ?
asciilifeform: here is the question that itches me:
mircea_popescu: yes, but some are more like superman, ie, roosevelt socialist ; and some others more like national socialist.
asciilifeform: but ~all cartoon characters can only live in the paper
mircea_popescu: living in a thoroughly alienated world where hit targets were SO ALONE they actually were you know, a sort of crumb.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform speaking of anarchists, it occurs to me the comic you linked a while back is a fine example. the girl in there is an out and out anarchist. she requires, for her anarchism, the cartoonist to draw the nonsense she lives in ; or if out of meta, for someone to create all the items she uses and then stay out of her way.
shinohai: The advent of paywalled applications, where new features can only be added with crowdfunded blockchainz
asciilifeform: i can almost hear the indian accent
shinohai: Almost there, @StartJOIN pitch almost ready, an Open Source PGP digital Key signing tool that we're after funding to add new features"
a111: Logged on 2016-03-12 00:40 mircea_popescu: (actually, amusingly enough, swift docs date from just about the era ada was fashionable. there was such a time - just like that time in the 90s when everyone was eager to implement linux-y things and you didn't really have to sell it at all, whole cities just switched for no reason)
asciilifeform: in other not-quite-nyooz, http://baesystemsai.blogspot.com/2016/04/two-bytes-to-951m.html << some dissection of the swift trojan, as seen in the old thread, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-12#1430996
trinque: homeboy over there has even hooked me up with free KVM access as a favor
trinque: Framedragger: if you get tired of aws, there's this cheap-as-shit DC called Joe's Datacenter I've been using
trinque: asciilifeform │ if they don't, they fight - where's the enigma here << and then they fight, and someone wins, and someone's dominant, and whoops what happened to anarchy
mircea_popescu: so forty bucks gets the internet, more or less.
Framedragger: approx 4.2 GB of bandwidth used for 14.6k sshd-running IPs, hit rate ~= 0.02% (these are rather random, not guaranteed-to-be-used (only definitely not in reserved blocks) subnets it's possible zmap just doesn't flush to file that often at all - will check later wtf's happening). $0.155 per GB of bandwidth (first 15 GB free). running for 72 min
mircea_popescu: raud throughout - really, unsociable species are doomed to decay ? if only we decayed as much as the scorpions did in their lengthy existence. they've stayed viable apex predators in their niche for longer than humans likely will.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the trick, generally, of passing one for another is visible throughout the nigger career, whichever nigger one might pick. so kropotkin studied cooperation in nature ; which is fine, and observed that it plays a role, which is true. fuck, tmsr is pretty heavy on cooperation also. aaaaaaand then... the sleigh of hand. really, there should be no preferential distribution ? what the shit. and of course, the pious f
mircea_popescu: anyway, the trick of pretending one's own flavour of state is "merely human nature" is, i suppose, pretty effectual. also quite old, karl ziggler / friedrich carnegey did it too!
asciilifeform: how 'anarchic' was their flavour
mircea_popescu: ie, they need a sort of state like the wasp's parents. dead corpse to be eaten. still etatist though.
asciilifeform: is this isomorphic to the swedish fishermen thing ?
mircea_popescu: there'd be no end and no shortage of anarchistic-flavoured socialism everwhere if "society collapsed" and there were 1mn people left and 2mn walmart warehouses stacked.
mircea_popescu: no, it's because they need a very specific sort of mommy that's yet in short supply.
asciilifeform: not wholly unrelated though. being the reason we haven't any serious anarchic communes to kick around no moar, is that they're no good at war.
mircea_popescu: unless your fellow said himself "and if they don't, they fight and whoever wins was right", he's what i say not what you say.
mircea_popescu: anyway, in the general - whenever ideologue makes presuposition as to what humans are, or do, or will be or will do, he's therefore and by that an etatist.