Framedragger: The Web trivialized this original Xanadu model, vastly but incorrectly simplifying these problems to a world of fragile ever-breaking one-way links, with no recognition of change or copyright, and no support for multiple versions or principled re-use. Fonts and glitz, rather than content connective structure, prevail.""" <- sorry i get sentimental easily :/
Framedragger: """It has always been much more ambitious, proposing an entire form of literature where links do not break as versions change; where documents may be closely compared side by side and closely annotated; where it is possible to see the origins of every quotation; and in which there is a valid copyright system-- a literary, legal and business arrangement-- for frictionless, non-negotiated quotation at any time and in any amount.
Framedragger: sometimes i just want to dedicate my life to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Xanadu ; there are those moments.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-19 15:14 mircea_popescu: Framedragger doesn't mean much more than, "the correct path is to take a decent crypto lib, a distributed-hashtable-storage thing from one of the p2p torrent tools, and make a real social media app"
mircea_popescu: dayum. one of the best parts of not sending girls out to gym is that you can generally take a break and watch one torture herself.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
vc: right now the site just filled up a few minutes ago, there is still space left for memory and everything, but the storage is already sold
vc: ok sure, mircea_popescu is this a time-sensitive request? I would prefer to wait until I get all the other services running and analyze the storage situation before I commit to another 120GB of storage
asciilifeform did a good chunk of the subtraction, askhimanything (tm)
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: actual zoo ? couldn't say if there even is one. aquarium on the lake, indeed!
mircea_popescu: there's no actual fork yet, no. bitcoin is still bitcoin.
vc: (I'm trying to figure out whether your bitcoin network is the most popular bitcoin network or a hard fork of another network)
vc: hm, I feel I may be missing some details. If you pay me 1.07 BTC will that BTC be usable with services connected to the BTC network such as Coinbase or Newegg?
pete_dushenski: spent some time there, yes
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: is the zoo worthwhile?
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski is old hand there?
asciilifeform: btw the real chicago feels like nyc but less crowd of idiot
asciilifeform eating caek at a heathen clone of arkakao
vc: I understand that this is a branch of some type from the typical doings of what I know as the bitcoin foundation
vc: ok is this like a fork of the main bitcoin network?
mircea_popescu: vc it's the original bitcoin yes. it's been modified hence.
mircea_popescu: usure ? fine then. btc addy ?
mircea_popescu: the middle one it seems.
vc: ok yeah cool, so are you asking me to run something independently while you do X on your server? or are you asking me to configure your server myself, setting up the daemon? or are you instead asking me to do nothing except give you your server
mircea_popescu: but at any rate this conversation definitely lays bare just how badly we've missed the boat by not increasing blocksize when usgavin wanted to.
vc: oh I see, I found thebitcoin.foundation
mircea_popescu: basically some usg assholes tried to hijack the bitcoin. trb aka the real bitcoin is the... well, the real bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: but the logs are your friends :)
mircea_popescu: tell you what : i'll buy that, and pay it in advance for a year, provided you install and manage a trb node there.
vc: only the 4GB server with 120GB storage would be able to store that, though if running a bitcoind node is your intention then using pure SSD storage may be wasted potential
vc: oh, how large is the blockchain nowadays?
mircea_popescu: i am asking you, if i intend to run a btc node, ie, a blockchain's worth of gb etc, what's the solution cock.li offers
mircea_popescu: so you're an adult, get some contacts in the trade an' ask around. odds being in your favour.
vc: haven't found the video of that interview but she was pretty qt
vc: I'd pay $500 to fuck the journalist at antena 1 that interviewed me tbh
a111: Logged on 2016-05-25 20:41 vc: phf: the hardware is set to get here friday, so it will launch saturday
Framedragger: (man, i just remembered one of the reasons i started hanging around here. these characters and their stories..)
mircea_popescu: the system's been around for decades ; i fucked a bunch in my day. recently they tried to close the thing down, arrested gals by the pail, but... from what i hear it didn't take.
mircea_popescu: next time tv crew pops up, ask them.
mircea_popescu: listen, romanian tv exists ~ for a single reason : so a group of like minded twentysomething chicks can advertise they're available. goes ~500 bucks unless you're very weird.
mircea_popescu: did you fuck any of the starlets yet ?
vc: yeah, I did interviews for digi 24, antena 3, antena 1, and uh whatever the public broadcast one is
mircea_popescu: http://www.evz.ro/vincent-canfield-rupe-tacerea-nu-sunt-suspectat-de-terorism-am-venit-in-romania-pentru-viteza-ridicata-la-internet.html << the ro papers are the lulz of all times.
mircea_popescu: so how about you stop dicking around and just colocate some boxes and weld the cages shut ?
vc: phf: the hardware is set to get here friday, so it will launch saturday
mircea_popescu: better in the street than in your enchilada though.
vc: I don't really know anything I don't like, though I did see a gypsy shitting in the street about a month ago, that was pretty unsettling
mircea_popescu: nah, the country.
mircea_popescu: the place, i mean.
vc: and asia the year after that
mircea_popescu: you can also self-up by telling the bot $up in a pm
vc: turned out to be one of the best decisions I've made
mircea_popescu: as in, other cocks ?
vc: I have no idea of the republic or tmsr I just heard shit was hot and poppin' here so I joined
mircea_popescu: do you happen to know the republic has been looking for an actual republican isp ?
vc: the way I had it described to me is "almost like ironic professionalism"
mircea_popescu: that's not really 0 then, is it ?
vc: the server hardware I purchased can host a maximum of 280 clients with some more memory and disk space, so after I get it up and running and stable then I'm probably going to go for that
mircea_popescu: do you plan to pivot from corporate life to independence with it ? or is it just a hobby on the side ? for the lulz ? for the whats ?
mircea_popescu: interesting how fragmented this supposed "bitcoin community" actually is. alright, so what's your plan with the hoster ? what was it, cock.li ?
mircea_popescu: how about sec sending supoenas to this romanian-based dude back in 2012, when they were posturing about satoshi dice ?
vc: I gave away several bitcoin when they were worth nothing :)
mircea_popescu: i see. alright, so what are your plans for the future ?
vc: someone registered on my public E-mail server and sent threats through my service, I was the only public face other than the police or the school district so I was subject to a lot of media attention
mircea_popescu: i lived there for a few years. 2nd bitcoin conference also held there (timisoara). meanwhile though, moved to argentina.
diana_coman: <mircea_popescu> possibly shittiest city in the whole country. try brasov or cluj or something eh <- ahahaa, in that Bucharest is the only *city* as such...
mircea_popescu: possibly shittiest city in the whole country. try brasov or cluj or something eh.
vc: maybe, though I have heard bad things about the university here, I am currently living in romania ;)
mircea_popescu: ever thought of trying something more alligned with the actual purpose of universities, ie, scoring ? dunno, humanities, bidniss, whatever ?
vc: since then my decision has been confirmed with professional experience and also I'm travelling the world instead which has been leagues better to me than university ever was
vc: mircea_popescu: I dropped out because I was at a shit university and also I had a job where I was making as much as with a degree so I didn't really see the point
vc: Framedragger: uh, rather I haven't actually received my ip space yet
pete_dushenski: "The Romania-based e-mail admin concluded his video with this proclamation: "It’s raining dicks right now. And the forecast isn’t that good either. There’s a 90 percent chance of dicks tonight and a 90 percent chance of dicks tomorrow."" << gggggold
mircea_popescu: so then... lessee... why did you quit college ?
Framedragger: vc: natural follow-up question: do you think your ip space is included in things like fail2ban lists, then? :)
mircea_popescu: now then. what raid was that ?
vc: it's been broken since the raids and I only just recently restored from archive.org so the theme isn't working yet
vc: hi i am here for the party
pete_dushenski: ah k. well i'd rather share a chick than eat anything with hollandaise on it. but maybe i'm not from the right part of the mediterranean.
mircea_popescu: the eggs are drenched in hollandaise ; if two guys fuck a gal it's hard to avoid getting cum on your ballsac.
mircea_popescu: eh, just an off the cuff joke.
pete_dushenski: what's the eggs florentine story ?
mircea_popescu: really, the whole exercise is more of a "here\s just how fucking useless your civil registry is" than anything
mircea_popescu: except "eggs florentine" were named specifically in recognition of those women'z talent at not fathering sons with their husbands.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: smart wimminz then
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-25#1471561 << saiwuut ? no one said you should live there, but to visit zoo stylez ? it's brilliant.
pete_dushenski: in other leaves, lazers are useful to reading compact discs AND measuring tree sleep https://www.tuwien.ac.at/en/news/news_detail/article/10113/
pete_dushenski: hehe. so what you thought was evidence really wasn't and what you thought was upheaval really wasn't. beautiful, really. the whole charade can't even stand up to a simple registry check despite centuries of dedicated revisionism
pete_dushenski: ave already been at the top of the socioeconomic ladder six centuries ago. This persistence is identified despite the huge political, demographic, and economic upheavals that occurred between the two dates.'
pete_dushenski: http://voxeu.org/article/what-s-your-surname-intergenerational-mobility-over-six-centuries#.VzyX84VYNEc << 'Existing evidence suggests that the related earnings advantages disappear after several generations. This column challenges this view by comparing tax records for family dynasties (identified by surname) in Florence, Italy in 1427 and 2011. The top earners among the current taxpayers were found to h
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471164 << to quote an alf, i thought 'everyone knows' that there's a panda infestation up north
mircea_popescu: and then they had a dispute and the court actually bought the notion one's not copied off the other.
mircea_popescu: such a pile of shit. the ancient bbsessionhash as unique session identifier has been renamed to xf_session and that's the extent of the changes.
mircea_popescu: how to get all user credentials for any xenforo forum ? put a box in promiscuous mode en route and listen to the fucking posts.
mircea_popescu: o lordy. so 1st xenforo "security" improvement : where the old vbulletin system passed back and forth md5 hashes of passwords (in plain and utf duplicate versions), the improvement just sends it plain.
mircea_popescu: spot the lulz.
mircea_popescu: oh in other lolz : xenforo, the "improved" successor of vbulletin web forum software uses the following member enum scheme : https://xenforo.com/community/members/nhatdang_daisu.52890/
mircea_popescu: dja talk to them ?
mircea_popescu: prolly so. besides, i'm thinking the correct way to handle the whole $bash thing is to have a sort of wot-aws equivalent.
ben_vulpes: worth a chuckle and an invitation to the wot methinks
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/053372135405fda3b66a6744f2ca67fc/tumblr_o5nchymmMr1u06pkwo1_1280.jpg
trinque: that shit can die with the body of christ and all other congruent imaginary social aggregates
mircea_popescu: trinque "it's the community" "which, the supine troop of nobodies crowding the mit soup kitchen ?" "YES! PREMIERE TECHNICAL AND SCIENTIFIC INSTITUTION IN THE WORLD!" "whatever. make sure you teach them how lightbulbs work."
mircea_popescu: shinohai well, the usg party is ever less confident they'll get much over a summer of forks ; "ethereum is good" was the backup.
mircea_popescu: cca mid 19th century - definitely post industrial age - people actually traded used underwear. not just young women's used underwear either.
mircea_popescu: to bolster the leverage point asciilifeform : consider reading merely the list of traded items in "london labour and the london poor" (an otherwise unfrequentable pile of steaming socialistoid shit).
trinque: apparently an inanimate thing can have a mindset because somebody put some words together
trinque: Ethereum has a growth mindset while Bitcoin has a false sense of accomplishment << wahahahaha
shinohai: https://medium.com/the-coinbase-blog/ethereum-is-the-forefront-of-digital-currency-5300298f6c75#.gor6kp910 <<< moar coinbase slock, we failed at Bitcoin so surely Ethereum shall save us.
shinohai: Well I never liked multibit either, so
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'm just surprised it wasn't an acquihire. no fducking idea why anyone else'd "buy" the sort of turd.
asciilifeform: if from nothing else but that they WITHOUT EXCEPTION require shitware on pc side
mircea_popescu: except things didn't continue at the same rate, and 2014 was an all time record.
mircea_popescu: in other news, france saw over 500k arrests in 2007, which is to say 1% of the population was arrested THAT YEAR, or, if things continue at the same rate, ~everyone then alive'd have a better chance to be arrested rather than not be, during his lifetime.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-25 13:53 mircea_popescu: lmao this is pretty rich news. so asciilifeform : it'd seem the raid on phuctor's machine is failing and the thing will have to be serviced. plox turn it off in your own time and let me know when it's ok to send teh service team in.
Framedragger: now i'll try scaleway / online.net and i don't use them for anything else so i'm fine with being banned. they said OK to my "responsible academic scanning" query. doesn't mean they'll follow through. but i'll just keep scanning / doing ssh extraction there, and rsyncing often, so that if/when i get eventually banned this wouldn't be a problem.
mircea_popescu: i rented a [vps/dedicated/colocated] machine from X, i sent a total of Y packets of so and so in Z interval ; they <changed my logs and stole my remaining time|sent me support ticket complaining|etc>"
Framedragger: digital ocean e.g. - scanned more than querter of ipv4 space using TCP SYN (masscan) - so just to see which :22 hosts are up - received numerous abuse complaints from all over the net, all forwarded to me
mircea_popescu: i still can't piece this together. let's try a sane example format :
Framedragger: ah - sorry for not being specific - no i ceased activities,and they were fine. OVH i didn't even try, i sent a query first like a good house guest
Framedragger: Scanning ports is forbidden on our network. We cannot even do some exeption in our anti-hack detecting system just for your server." <- this is e.g. kimsufi/OVH who are otherwise not complete govt bitches (they appeal court orders, ran wikileaks servers, lots tor exit nodes etc - not to say that this amount to too much)
Framedragger: (again, general ipv4 mapping is no prob, it's the more particular ssh key extraction that is slow and very hax0ry apparently)
Framedragger: (..in other news hosters seem to cave in to the "we gun ban your ip cause we saw three TCP SYN packets to :22 on our block" threats and do not allow any scanning whatsoever. online.net may be the exception and are cooperative, will see how they tolerate some scanz)
mircea_popescu: that'd be good then.
mircea_popescu: lmao this is pretty rich news. so asciilifeform : it'd seem the raid on phuctor's machine is failing and the thing will have to be serviced. plox turn it off in your own time and let me know when it's ok to send teh service team in.
asciilifeform: i gotta find the shell game or whatsit.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ahh, isn't it refreshing, to be in a place where they hafta say that ?
Framedragger: yeah korine is an interesting guy. the film itself is random as fuck. literally folks humping trash, and just doing other bizarre things throughout film. i'd say it's an intereseting experience, to watch it i mean, but i believe when i watched it i was on a bit of acid. dunno how it would have got with me being completely sane..
mircea_popescu: Framedragger meh, lost me at "elderly". but the korine name is vaguely familiar.
mircea_popescu: the whole impetuus of, say, romeo and juliet is the respective famblies going "op is garbage!!1". the lady an' the tramp is pretty much the "modern democracy" attempt at subverting and perhaps reclaiming the trite truth of the previous generations, ie, that nothing gets a gent going quite like the lady's maid.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-24 11:33 mircea_popescu: in fact the historical justification for broad female slavery is that the sex is better that way.
mircea_popescu: possibly because of the officially-intolerable http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471110
Framedragger: yeah seems to have worked for these low entropy pockets around stars, pretty nifty!!
Framedragger: (girls are on there tho)
asciilifeform: i thought it was because gurl already knows where the local mircea_popescu lives
mircea_popescu: historically, the "whatever" algo is actually pretty successful.
Framedragger: ya, true. some dudes are selective but most are just desperate and/or can't be bothered. different algos so to speak, heh
mircea_popescu: Framedragger iirc no girls actually wanted to be on tinder because dudes'd just hit on everyone and then not show up.
mircea_popescu: don't make me put the sheeny curse on you so you end up having to go back and back again for a decade!
asciilifeform: atm i'm working on sloth (no sleep in 24hr) and then gluttony
mircea_popescu: vail: if the risk of death and the certainty of pain, danger, and unutterable discomforts cannot deter her, slavery and swaddled ankles will not.")
mircea_popescu: " Men, on the other hand, attach penalties to marriage, depriving women of property, of the franchise, of the free use of their limbs, of that ancient symbol of immortality, the right to make oneself at home in the house of God by taking off the hat, of everything that he can force Woman to dispense with without compelling himself to dispense with her. All in vain. Woman must marry because the race must perish without her tra
mircea_popescu: or what, suppose you go to teh movies, what do you do, instead of sitting down and shutting up like everyone else you bust into the projectionist's room and jockey the machine ?
mircea_popescu: relax and let the girl do her work!
mircea_popescu: put yourself in tinder or whatever they use, "wise cosmopolitan gentleman (visited buenos aires! and timisoara!) with lots of dough to burn looking for local belle to show me a good time."
asciilifeform: anyway i traded commute hell for very occasional expeditions to heathen pestholes.
BingoBoingo: Far more honest city about it's state of decay which is still far less than Chicago's evn if the fauna here are a bit more...
BingoBoingo: Aha, except they actually reversed the flow of the river at some point so new shit goes to Mississippi river after crossing state.
BingoBoingo: Have you been to the city center yet?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Remember that the Chicago River is an open sewer so feel free to bathroom there
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it isn't clear from the link how the 'bite' ended. i assume you kicked the moron?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> chicago << oh, they finally wised up an' sent you to the meat packing plant ?
mircea_popescu: and will resist any attempt to be helped - such as for instance by people who actually understand computing reading his abomination and laughing at him - to the degree he'll get kicked out.
mircea_popescu: then this hack went in and grubstreet'd all over, to the point he crashes all the time, so he made himself a watchdog. which i suppose needs a watchdog of its own
a111: Logged on 2016-05-25 12:22 mircea_popescu: $rate alikim -1 militant idiot, of the kakobrekla school of gimme. see http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-05-25.log.html#t11:47:39
asciilifeform meanwhile wanders in heathen lands
deedbot: mircea_popescu updated rating of alikim from 2 to -1 << militant idiot, of the kakobrekla school of gimme. see http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-05-25.log.html#t11:47:39
mircea_popescu: $rate alikim -1 militant idiot, of the kakobrekla school of gimme. see http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-05-25.log.html#t11:47:39
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: i suppose it's a pretty decent way to drive people up the wall, as an angry teenager.
asciilifeform: i bet mircea_popescu knows the incident...
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471513 << reminds me of far more interesting case in 17th c where some chick had dead rabbits stuffed in uterus and 'birthed' them
mircea_popescu: aaand in other news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/853ab86e4118f5bc7b04535d6d230fce/tumblr_mz9oz7YRYE1s4jw4io1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform rather well researched too, the half life of average "bitcoin community"-tard is just about 15 months.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-24 21:52 mircea_popescu: and incidentally, any derp who is preoccupied with "changing society" because "women statistically don't make as much money as men" while not being preoccupied with "changing the definition of crime" because "the current definitions put more men in prison than women" is an utter hypocrite.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471496 << the 'mra' derps, who tried to copy feminism, even created a name - 'glass cellar' - for 'why must garbage men and thieves be male!111'
mircea_popescu: and we'll be bitching about how nominal equality, ie, 3 mn each, hides the fact that there's 2% more women so there should really be more, exactly in the manner they derp today about how women don't work as long, so they make less.
mircea_popescu: criminalize being fat, decriminalize rape. then criminalize talking back, decriminalize domestic beatings. and keep going until female prison population === male prison population
mircea_popescu: and incidentally, any derp who is preoccupied with "changing society" because "women statistically don't make as much money as men" while not being preoccupied with "changing the definition of crime" because "the current definitions put more men in prison than women" is an utter hypocrite.
mircea_popescu: from now on, this is the bar. facebook is held to do the exact same if i say so. because why the fuck not.
BingoBoingo: end using an image of a relevant activity, such as running or riding a bike." In a statement on Monday, Facebook apologized for its original stance and said it had determined that the photo does comply with its guidelines."
BingoBoingo: pany's "ad guidelines". After the group appealed against the rejection, Facebook's ad team initially defended the decision, writing that the photo failed to comply with the social networking site's "health and fitness policy". "Ads may not depict a state of health or body weight as being perfect or extremely undesirable," Facebook wrote. "Ads like these are not allowed since they make viewers feel bad about themselves. Instead, we recomm
BingoBoingo: In other lulz: "Facebook has apologized for banning a photo of a plus-sized model and telling the feminist group that posted the image that it depicts "body parts in an undesirable manner". Cherchez la Femme, an Australian group that hosts popular culture talkshows with "an unapologetically feminist angle", said Facebook rejected an advert featuring Tess Holliday, a plus-sized model wearing a bikini, telling the group it violated the com
BingoBoingo inserted the "[client fork]" clarifications
asciilifeform: 'The purpose of this email was to solicit input / advice from core [client fork] Devs and to let them know that the Bitcoin Foundation feels we represent all of Bitcoin including all of Core [client fork] and that we would welcome help and input.' << trololol!
mircea_popescu: aaand in other news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/100e79b85b14b0f4ae481d9adffc46e8/tumblr_mxqk0yw9Pi1stt4xmo1_1280.jpg
solrodar: mircea_popescu: glad to hear that you confiscated kako's mpex account on behalf of the shareholders and not just yourself
mircea_popescu: so the story is not at all about this ; it's all about how it could be this, and then becauser it could be, it's ok that it isn't, and so he's "law abiding"
asciilifeform mostly ignorant of the story, but isn't that sorta what his life is about ?
mircea_popescu: (and for the record : superman irl would last for about a week, before all the bills for torn down walls and destroyed cars would put him away permanently. seems important to have this in the fucking record omfg.)
mircea_popescu: every dork thinks himself the main character in his own game, and somehow to be saved by divine providence just as long as he sticks to "his principles".
mircea_popescu: somehow the very distant ballas criticism of the "single issue independent" doesn't strike home, unless we sit on the ruined remnants of the house.
mircea_popescu: there's a very fucking obvious method. money.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: kako's pov was ' mircea_popescu killed the value by sending 0fee '
mircea_popescu: this claim is not at any point considered or lent any credence by discussion of the shareholder claim item above. it's dead weight, and it won't be rescued by trying to tack it on to actual substantial issues.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-24 16:40 jurov: and the proceeds were thus impounded
a111: Logged on 2016-05-24 15:52 mp_at_olivos: the theory whereby "dead to me" is supposed to read "holds a substantial fraction of my assets" and "the difference between these two statements only appeared to me sometime late may, which is coincidentally months after the alleged causative event and also within minutes of channel discussion of the fabulous failure of the miner cartel love tap and subsequent attempts to cover it up" may be either partially false or entirely
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471380 << the notion that kakobrekla had anything to be impounded is entirely based on kakobrekla's pretense, which is both late and contradictory to his own earlier statements. see http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471274
mircea_popescu: i've yet to encounter that mirabilis item, the bitbet ex-shareholder that thinks kakobrekla helped him. and that's that.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-24 16:39 jurov: let's please not mix everyhing together. we have on table a new (to me) accusation kakobrekla sold share of bitbet under shady circumstances
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471379 << no, we don't. we have the situation where kakobrekla destroyed 2-3k btc of shareholder value, and the reasonable, at least to my eyes, civil claim against him by the victims.
mircea_popescu: generally, recall, at the fucking time all this got started, the same "community" of imbeciles that had "forum bankers" and whatever the fuck, ALSO had "glbse" and "investments".
mircea_popescu: kinda why i'm entertaining the whole nonsense, supposed to be educative.
trinque: there seems to be pervasive confusion as to what interacting as peers *means*
mircea_popescu: he is, of course, idemnified as per contract to "amt actually realised". which is, to date, 670 btc and change, so there is that.
mircea_popescu: davout set the precedent in, dangerous as it may be, we're now with it.
mircea_popescu: forget this entire "what derp meant to do". it's uninteresting. derp's judged on what he did. and if i'm to pay ~20 btc which nobody disputes i actually spent, because that's how the stars alligned, kakobrekla can sure as fuck pay ~2k btc that some think he earned, because that's how the stars lined up.
mircea_popescu: "the car worked fine until itblew up, producer not liable"
jurov: so, he had the premeditated plan of selling them and then waiting for a year to pull the plug?
mircea_popescu: so then.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-24 15:59 mp_at_olivos: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471281 plain fraud, like anything else. this year sold shares to whatever buyers, next year burned the thing down. hurr.
mircea_popescu: what ceausescu died embracing, and each and every of 'em idiots to date. "they meant well" and left a hole behind.
mircea_popescu: and if you diverge from it, no matter how you justify the divergence to yourself, or to a random mob of uninvolved bystanders, you'll be held for it.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471349 << funny. but no. selling shares in what you pretend to be a business and then setting that on fire however does open you to liability. because your job as a principal is to act in the best interest of the shareholders. that's the only criteria. the ONLY criteria.
asciilifeform: in other lulz,
deedbot: [Bingo Blog] BBWAA Awards Predictions - http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/11/08/bbwaa-awards-predictions/
deedbot: [Bingo Blog] ATC Closing Statement - http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/10/31/atc-closing-statement/
deedbot: [Bingo Blog] Qntra: Nearly a month in - http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/10/31/qntra-nearly-a-month-in/
deedbot: [Bingo Blog] Buffet Problems - http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/10/24/buffet-problems/
asciilifeform: but yeah, hilariously kako's feed (he has one) got all of the phuctoringz
asciilifeform: trinque: they come out potentially maxint at a time.
asciilifeform: trinque: they do
trinque: asciilifeform: got your message; perhaps they come out rapidly enough that more than six get dumped at a time to RSS?
trinque: if you cross someone with whom you're doing business, and the cost to their reputation is not enough to harm them, they fuck you back.
jurov: and the proceeds were thus impounded
jurov: let's please not mix everyhing together. we have on table a new (to me) accusation kakobrekla sold share of bitbet under shady circumstances
asciilifeform: other mega-thread.