mircea_popescu: people like to delude themselves about all sorts of optionalities that they neither have nor could exist.
mircea_popescu: to whom ? to them, no.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu earlier conceded that the 50k calorimeter would not constitute proof... iirc
mircea_popescu: idiots will idiot, it's what they do.
mircea_popescu: the notion that the computer "creates" priests is not unlike the 3yo's notion that THE CHAIR ~made it~ stumble.
mircea_popescu: well, the reason that is all we have is that previous physics died in a pool of its own vomit ; and that current math is not up to the task of supporting a repair.
asciilifeform: is the presence of the 2 eotvos balances a net positive? or would we actually have a handle on schwartz's result if everyone was STUCK with my $50k version of the experiment (calorimeter.)
asciilifeform: consider how the eotvos thing went.
asciilifeform: the other thing is that the presence of the costly detector may very well subtract more from the field, in its adelberger gatekeeper creation, than it ever could add.
asciilifeform: and likewise that schrodinger et all were able to get pretty far without costly detectors, and i do not regard it as 'they had low-hanging fruit'
asciilifeform: where are the massive piles of burning paper, topped off by 10,001 hog-tied lifelong string practitioners ?
mircea_popescu: it's not related with "strings" other than, finally universally accepted proof they're nonsense.
asciilifeform: they EXPLICITLY rejected testability as a value.
asciilifeform: and that 'strings' are bunkum, and until the last 'strings' proponent is purged, there is no physics.
mircea_popescu: wtf synthesis ?
asciilifeform: actually i understand pretty well how the thing works.
mircea_popescu: and you base this on anything other than "it's large and i don't exactly understand how it functions" ?
mircea_popescu: but you seem to have attached in a random spot to my comparison, that wasn't in any sense contemplated in the original discussion.
asciilifeform: logic being that icbm was not a pure 'let's build pyramid to show how massive the imperial cock' exercise. it had measurable goals, like building bridge.
mircea_popescu: i don't follow the logic here.
asciilifeform: and they build massive pyramid and 'physics is happy'
asciilifeform: and their students.
asciilifeform: so they give it to 'physicists' which is 10,001 bob becks.
asciilifeform: the item in question is 'benevolent inca empire wants to give $billion to physics' but you can't give 'to physics' because that's somewhere between 0 to 3 guys and nobody's gonna give some unwashed weirdos a $b
asciilifeform: when you pile up usgola, you get megalomaniacal constructions with 0 insight. precisely the calutron from the previous thread.
asciilifeform: 'tesla-style' works with lone crackpot and limited resources. because he has the incentive to ~synthesize~
mircea_popescu: and it's broken there.
mircea_popescu: right, in the sense that it went as far as tesla-style can go
asciilifeform: massive employment program for adelbergers and their catamites.
mircea_popescu: says the man who believes pgpdump -i to be "naked eye"
asciilifeform: 'we forgot how to synthesize so let's collect shiny shings, like a crow'
asciilifeform: 'science by machine' is merely nsa datacentre by other name.
mircea_popescu: need i dig up the link ?
asciilifeform: the only actual knowledge is what fits in heads.
mircea_popescu: point remains, the way ahead is probably going to be automated maths (as we discussed re v a year ago) applied to immense reams of data. just like in genetics, and so following.
mircea_popescu: eh get out, and solid state gyros are a thing of the devil ?
asciilifeform: the alternative is that it is 1920s germany and men are men.
mircea_popescu: there's no way out of it. "physics" is not a thing. the paradigm is too broken to rescue.
mircea_popescu: there. is. no. alternative!
mircea_popescu: looky alf : it's fucking broken. we know it's broken. there's no fixing this. gotta collect stamps because gotta start somewhere.
mircea_popescu: (incidentally, the deep reason "government" as in, the united retards, are so fixated on big data is simply because that's what physics has been doing since ~80s
asciilifeform: kill'em all and physics ~might~ have another season in it. like neglected houseplant
mircea_popescu: sure, plenty of that. but no, for the same money you could say 1915 physics is made of perpetuum mobile quacks.
mircea_popescu: physics the ended science.
mircea_popescu: that event had repeated itself > 100 times by now, or at least had, in the 90s when i stopped tracking.
mircea_popescu: what happened when the planet didn't appear on time ? they took the whole plumbing of math and physics and instruments apart.
mircea_popescu: and yes, "lower bound", you know ? like this : "if the universe ends up being less old than X, we'll have to re-do all these calculations, somehow. i have no idea how the fuck, so let's hope it doesn't happen - and also thar mars rises on time. fucking precession.
asciilifeform: good heuristic is not to bother calculating anything you can't ~do~ anything with.
mircea_popescu: "a proper prince's penis should be as long as my thumb" said the 12 yo princess in her diary.
mircea_popescu: even the sentence as stated, "oh, universe begun x bn years ago". "really, it was years ? what spun around what sun, that top of a mother of yours ?"
asciilifeform: the basic problem of 'let's calculate age of universe' is that you end with an untestable result.
mircea_popescu: hence a certain quaint oldstyle philosopher merit in the stance. "fuck you, you don't know anything" said diogenes in his 3600 yo tub.
asciilifeform: or that we aren't the ants in 'sim ant' whatever
mircea_popescu: there are all sorts of problems once you get out of the 3600 year bubble, so to speak.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let's say that the resulting "age of universe" constant is more a function of what subset of experimental data you look at ; than anything else.
mircea_popescu: that happens to be exactly the same argument supporting the 3600 year world ; except with different equations.
mircea_popescu: it's all a matter of "hey, check out how well these variables fit". "mmmkay ?"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the specific number - yes.
mircea_popescu: ftr, the "official" notion as to the age of the universe is not ~fundamentally~ better than the "3600 years ago, fixed value".
shinohai: That debate was one of the lulzier things I have ever watched.
mod6: bill nye, the science guy
asciilifeform: who the everliving fuck is nye
shinohai: Where the word of Ken Hamm reigns over Bill Nye
asciilifeform: though most forget to add the delta
mircea_popescu: well, so then. 3600 years ago.
mircea_popescu: ie, that it may seem like stuff is around proving otherwise, but it was planted.
mircea_popescu: whether anything is true or not is a complex matter ; but it could be arguabe ~to the same standard~.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: reminds me, one of the core idiocies of the pgp armour format is that it conceals screaming braindamage just fine
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron why even bother, rather than declare a number, and preferably a platonic number or something, and then forever stick to that. "it's been 3600 years ago".
asciilifeform: everybody seems to use the same english bishop's figure
mircea_popescu: the logical construction of "naked eye" in this context is, visible in the armored pubkey as user is expected to manipulate. whadda ya want now.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if it came in over the wire, it isn't visible in the nipple sense, period. yer stuck with toolz
mircea_popescu: like for instance, nipples are visible to the naked eye.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it means what, ethernet cable on tongue ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, by the same logic, about half should be divisible by 3. scarcely any are.
mircea_popescu: a something like that ? what about 3 then.
mircea_popescu: what naked eye ? i paste you a pubkey and you tell me if it's even by looking at the armor ?
mircea_popescu: so he rolls 2 ints, randomly. that neither come out even is 1/4
mircea_popescu: i wonder why these are so rarely even.
asciilifeform: fella is one of them random int as modulus folk.
mircea_popescu: it doesn't become religious until someone extracts some spurious "should" and starts throwing it at others.
mircea_popescu: tons of inept shit people believe, chiefly because of the convenient insulation time provides.
mircea_popescu: for the record, as ridiculous as the whole "earth was created ~30k years ago by a trickster that salted it with fossils to fuck with you" is ; it is no more or less ridiculous (seeing how absolutes aren't comparable) than all sorts of commonly accepted idiocies. such as the notion that man "always" had some sort of "equality" notion, along with a whole host of imbecile anachronisms the general herd entertains ; or that humani
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'unwashed herd avoids pgp like soap' is hard to square with 'the vast majority of pgp pubkeys date to that period'... no?
asciilifeform: it was 'perfect crime', quite deniable (these folks are obsessed with 'non-attributability')
asciilifeform: something, i expect, quite simple, just put in a JMP over the primality check .
mircea_popescu: why not ? what you say and what i say aren't in any sense exclusive. yes it was the time of a horde of imbeciles "saving hte world". the behaviour of such horde is exactly as per the soap example. an item will not be used because it exists and is useful ; consequently existence and functionality aren't predictive.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-03 12:12 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1475422 << that the herd is instinctively repelled by pgp, much like soap, so it's perfectly possible NOBODY uses some arbitrary windows offering. much like in the "creative writer and activist"'s house, the broom's not nearly as worn down as the mirror.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1475482 << '90s were the era of mindless 'cipherpunk', pgp was 'the mirror' rather than 'the broom', mountains of pubkeys from that era
mircea_popescu: yeah, and no small matter, esp for the age.
asciilifeform: hence the proliferation of flying toys
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: cheap solid state gyros were prolly the 1 serious advance of the 2000s
mircea_popescu: they got great sensors, what. not the sort of item that can be usefully made in kitchen.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i was looking at the sensors
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1475513 << these were at least not wholly devoid of actual physics.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1475509 << what's so great there? the brain-rotting 'arduino' sets that make it possible to 'build robot' in php and without knowing what electric circuit is or ever learning to wire light bulb?
a111: Logged on 2016-05-23 15:08 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not even a matter of sons ; the usg has no sons, nor any vigor in the seed. it's a matter of desperation - everything americans don't buy, the chinese buy, take apart and move to china.
mircea_popescu: bounties work to get the juvenile sister of consummate junkie delivered on the cheap. hence http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-23#1470766
mircea_popescu: they do, but not for this purpose.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-03 12:09 mircea_popescu: (weirdly enough, how is it that the "bounty" experience has failed to inform your opinoin of bounties, much like the "new pogo" has failed to inform your opinion of "oh noes end of pogos" ?)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1475480 << as is usually the case, mircea_popescu is the grim plague doctor, complete with beak, telling us exactly when death will come - and pretty much always on target.
asciilifeform: this is from the delta.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-03 13:14 deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 721678451 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Sean Spillane (For public distribution. Will sign given adequate ID and authentication.) <tokuchan@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/864781822CD97BF399CC69446EAE99375685C425D99C61E0CF8F043C623E7772
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 721678451 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Sean Spillane (For public distribution. Will sign given adequate ID and authentication.) <tokuchan@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/864781822CD97BF399CC69446EAE99375685C425D99C61E0CF8F043C623E7772
mircea_popescu: if one could somehow be protected from his imbecile ecofeminist mother / limpdick sec compliance father, that is.
mircea_popescu: holy shit the stuff adafruit has on sale.
mircea_popescu: im sure it's yet another "technical leader" company consisting of the skeleton administrative crew of a failed dropshipper.
shinohai: 'We're gonna make pennies a day selling the data this thing collects guise!"
mircea_popescu: what's the crack rock ?
shinohai: BingoBoingo: would you publish an article titled "21 dot co releases rebranded crack rock for the reddit niggers" ?
mircea_popescu: the about page is also pretty humorous.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1475422 << that the herd is instinctively repelled by pgp, much like soap, so it's perfectly possible NOBODY uses some arbitrary windows offering. much like in the "creative writer and activist"'s house, the broom's not nearly as worn down as the mirror.
mircea_popescu: must be some sort of "this is how things MUST BE i say, and i dun care what the lab results show" sorta item.
mircea_popescu: (weirdly enough, how is it that the "bounty" experience has failed to inform your opinoin of bounties, much like the "new pogo" has failed to inform your opinion of "oh noes end of pogos" ?)
mircea_popescu: and while on it : a) wake me up when ivy league is not only free to entry but pays "bounty" to some lazy ass fuckwads for doing the fucking course work and b) the notion that this place will always be free as in beer to join is the height of ridiculousness.
mircea_popescu: i'd rather give bitcoin 20 at a time to the dedicated bob becks than 1 at a time to their 20 year junior worm phase.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform solrodar dude has solved the bounty problem, permanently.
ben_vulpes: somewhat less bad, i use it, find it somewhere on the freeshare shit spectrum
ben_vulpes: someone made a cool thing that appeals to certain of my perversities, so i throw the fellow a bone. bonus points, i can write toys for my own phone without having to retch about obj-c or swift constantly, or use one of the eldritch js horrors
ben_vulpes: the roadside shrine of phpcrypto
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1475427 << briefly returning to this thread, there is a remaining possibility - that at one point there were ~many more~ phuctorable pubkeys extant, but most were somehow purged, 'accidented' from sks. with that in mind i would ask for whosoever might know of a historic (1990s vintage) archive of pgp keyz.
asciilifeform: (sbcl is, iirc, bsd-licensed, so they could have 'legitimately' walked off with it, for instance)
asciilifeform: i wonder what common lisp they ripped off.
asciilifeform: presently i have only one hypothesis.
asciilifeform: if the item posited in (2) existed, why are there so few pubkeys which break trivially ?
asciilifeform: there is perhaps a third enigma,
asciilifeform: if i were a mircea_popescu i might put up a bounty or the like.
asciilifeform: if anyone had the time & patience.
trinque: that "blog content" is found on a number of other pages
asciilifeform: so far there are only really 2 genuine mysteries -- 1) who generated the mirrored keys 2) which winblowz turd of a pgptron used unfiltered sewage for rsa modulus
ben_vulpes: the mysteries this thing turns up
mircea_popescu: good thing the trycicle-shopping-cart is built sturdy
asciilifeform: (as popularized by the movie)
mircea_popescu: and in other japanews, http://66.media.tumblr.com/1904e39d9c0714d833fd435cd5f0faa2/tumblr_o0de7zkzHV1u9ovyno1_400.gif
mod6: this was implemented as a means to ensure that the logs don't miss anything should one of the other bots drop off of a few minutes or something.
mod6: this makes sense to me, because i don't want this irc bot to reside on the same host as the webserver.
mod6: but once i have my remaining ~6 steps done, it'll be moved to something like thebitcoin.foundation/tickets or something for general consumption by phf or whomever.
mod6: well, guess that's one thing off the list.
mod6: it does log the channel activity too, Mr. P., so maybe phf can make use of that if he needs.
mod6: ok sweet. so got the instance for tbot up and going. tbot is running.
mod6: yeah, just some infrastructure stuff needs to get setup, auth for fleanode, marshalling of data around to expose the tickets, etc.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes nb i guess ? /me hasn't been following the whole "let's make muscles" thing
BingoBoingo: Of flip his kayak on the lake
shinohai: I'm sure any day now he will create the world's first perpetual energy machine.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> anyway, wiped. i guess once tbot's here ima put the silkroad dump thing in there, maybe it's still around by the time someone figures out the world enough. << in related tbot news: i've got 8 remaining steps outlined to get us to the initial rollout in here. each isn't super hard or anything, working on the first one as I type this.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-03 00:50 BingoBoingo: In other bright ideas https://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1335949
BingoBoingo: In still further news, why is Amazon.com still a thing? https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Home-smallest-diesel-inverter-generator_60282975913.html
BingoBoingo: No, encode your bits in the exhaust note. Acoustic is a thing.
BingoBoingo: phf: There is another way http://powerequipment.honda.com/generators/inverter-generators
gribble: The operation succeeded.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-03 00:42 phf: Gentlemen, I'm going to be away from civilization until Monday. I failed to get log bot auto reconnect operational in time, which means that if the bot is dropped by freenode, the log won't be updated until I come back on Monday. I apologize for this truly barbaric situation, meanwhile in case of failure you can use http://glyf.org/h/t-a?back=1 and send curses my way.
phf: Gentlemen, I'm going to be away from civilization until Monday. I failed to get log bot auto reconnect operational in time, which means that if the bot is dropped by freenode, the log won't be updated until I come back on Monday. I apologize for this truly barbaric situation, meanwhile in case of failure you can use http://glyf.org/h/t-a?back=1 and send curses my way.
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-02#1475260 << (i'm busy with afk stuff and most probably won't be able to resume the ipv4 ssh keyscan thing until some time next week. but i'll ping you once this is done)
BingoBoingo: Hey, the F-4 that did 'Nam didn't have gun to strafe with
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> (why not simply launch rocket from the earth is an exercise for the reader...) << "Jobs" program
asciilifeform: they were, at least in principle, built to go up quickly, launch rocket, and then die
asciilifeform: iirc these regularly explode -- sometimes into audience, as in rammstein
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform at first i thought it was the proper smyrna
asciilifeform: mowed the grass, if you prefer.
mircea_popescu: oh right, as long as they keep it from going up, right. heh.
mircea_popescu: shinohai you don't have to unpack the whole thing at the same time, it's made of parts
shinohai: I seriously need to get another SSD with mega capacity.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-02 19:02 mircea_popescu: quite. i wouldn't bother with it. "making a life" so that everyone can have one neglects the obvious point that if one fucking wanted one, he'd have made it long ago.
mircea_popescu: shinohai most of it is shitty pictures of the same boring crap over and over
mircea_popescu: what's this, like 2 years' delta on the sks ?
asciilifeform: probably best to treat this find as archaeological, rather than as part of actual wot
mircea_popescu: not properly made, no. sort of a temple rather than a hospital. still, kept some records.
mircea_popescu: ~nobody cares about the druggies but policemen trying to live easily ; and anthropologists.
mircea_popescu: shinohai yeah, that was the one. also wanted the ratings reconstructed in an inspectable wot, if possible, and any other gems one might be able to provide
a111: Logged on 2016-06-02 18:50 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if all it is, is a tarball of crud, i can pry out the pgp keyz myself
shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-02#1475232 <<< was this where you wanted the pgp keys extracted from https://www.gwern.net/Black-market%20archives ?
mircea_popescu: girl that knows what she wants outperforms any other girl.
mircea_popescu learned this as a teen, whenceupon leaving the shop cashier was "ask me out". "aren't you busy ?!" genuinely puzzled mp. "not for you".
mircea_popescu: yeah but try and fill them from a sorted list
mircea_popescu: too many good places to waste away, most of which also give away pills, along with the food. why bother.
mircea_popescu: quite. i wouldn't bother with it. "making a life" so that everyone can have one neglects the obvious point that if one fucking wanted one, he'd have made it long ago.
asciilifeform: but so far this works, in most cases, like the punkman thing 'worked.'
asciilifeform: my idea was, here, to give it to the 'one legged' folk.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in other oildrums of fluidz, we have tty on new b0x.
mircea_popescu: no, the police just beats people found stealing 3x as hard.
mircea_popescu: there's jobs for sorts of people. this was a job for punkman.
mircea_popescu: you know how in the old days night watchmen all had a lame leg ?
mircea_popescu: it's not anything currently ; other than a job for someone. a someone a lot like him.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if all it is, is a tarball of crud, i can pry out the pgp keyz myself
mircea_popescu: anyway, wiped. i guess once tbot's here ima put the silkroad dump thing in there, maybe it's still around by the time someone figures out the world enough.
mircea_popescu: right ; that you then forget to deliver.
asciilifeform: along with funkenstein, thestringpuller, fluffypony, and kakobrekla
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: he's mostly inhabiting the ruinz
mircea_popescu: how the hell does this work ;/
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: in other nyooz,
asciilifeform: you can buy reasonably fast ones but the bus is a bottleneck and their cost approaches that of proper ssd.
asciilifeform: unlike pogo with hdd in its strange angular cradle, these things will handily fit in that colo rack BingoBoingo had subscribed to, where they give you five inch pedestals.
asciilifeform: only that 1 blinkenlight tho, not counting the nic jack's.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: thing has no 'aux storage' other than a big internal coffin for 2.5" hdd, external sata jack, and some usb.
asciilifeform: and said led isn't even really visible from outside the chassis
asciilifeform: the daughterboard appears to have only 1 led on it, and nothing else!
asciilifeform: ^ alert reader will notice that the 'mycloud' DOES have a working rtc battery.
asciilifeform: after that it load kernel from the next partition and boots that
asciilifeform: it boots from the bottom, into its chinese fork of widely-used loader 'uboot'
ben_vulpes: i don't know much about computers, less about tiny things, but this is the segment of memory that holds the thing's os, yes?
asciilifeform: which... WHY THE FUCK would you.
asciilifeform: the only cure for these folks, i suspect. is to SPIN LIKE PROPELLERS on mircea_popescu's raging cock.
asciilifeform: gotta love the poetteringola.
asciilifeform: the pathetic part is that my 'mycloud' appears to have nuked its own nand somehow (not, fortunately, the uboot, but the idiot fedora thing. apparently it was mounting itself read-write - on a motherfucking eeprom! - and didn't like being reset a dozen times when i fiddled with the probes)
asciilifeform: (where did the deedbot auto-title thing go ?)
jurov: yw. why the webinterface still shows "Ok, for now"?
asciilifeform: these all have low factors
asciilifeform: (this is the 3rd factor found for this - non-mirrored!1111111 - mod.)
mircea_popescu: aaand in other news, breakfast! http://67.media.tumblr.com/a2f1af6815917dc4ba5379c3ad333336/tumblr_o18gjxkGuG1u921buo1_500.gif
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: in other newz, an orlol, http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2016/05/a-russian-warning.html
BingoBoingo wondering if the product applied was glyphosate or diquat
BingoBoingo: Question of the day, how did this man not blow all his money on chumpatron before getting 2.5 acre yard https://archive.is/MeYnF
mircea_popescu: this magic is called context by the more perverse euros.