mircea_popescu: "unenclosed pools, machinery or stacks of building materials" that present "an irresistible lure" omfg what the everloving fuck.
asciilifeform: recall the famous band-saw case.
asciilifeform: 'A local apartment com-munity had become a problem with unsecured vacant units, garbage, graffiti, attractive nuisances, and blight. The owner also routinely rented condemned units that had no power (cord was run from other units). Neighboring owners complained of rodents coming from the unattended landscaping and units. Squatters were found in units by the police department. Owner was cited...'
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in the great uszimbabwe,
mircea_popescu: if history's any guide, fiatcorps could forever buy russia. at any rate the byzantines could buy asia. according to them at any rate.
ben_vulpes: anyways there's a whole infection to deploy between today and a world of impoverished fiatcorps.
ben_vulpes: point i was seeking to make is that as much as usians like to bitch about cost of health insurance and what it doesn't cover, they have no idea what pain is lurking in the near future
asciilifeform: recall, the car and nothing else caps the mtbf of usaschwitz inmate at something like 200 yrs
mircea_popescu: "the people" are up in arms about this. not permissibru.
mircea_popescu: this is like some people buying cars that take them places and some other people buying cars that take them to the morgue
mircea_popescu: we both fuck the same sick girl. i don't care and you die of a brain abscess.
mircea_popescu: cost is just a proxy for this. they don't perceive the same capacity from "it", mostly because htey're imbeciles and will perceive my cock when it's sliding in and no sooner. which is why they talk of that not this.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes also, the problem with healthcare isn't the cost per se. it's that it distinguishes between people. they have a serious problem with any sort of "reality comes home" situation where difference between people may be forced from outside.
ben_vulpes: if it leaves me eating dust and my children picking pockets i will go to the street gladly having seen it
asciilifeform: 'All existing phones in the holding cells were replaced mid year. The previous telephones were equipped with a hand-set which created a number of issues. Our primary objective was to allow prisoners telephone access while minimizing risk to staff and prisoners. On many occasions prisoners would forcibly remove the cord and handset from the telephone housing. The newly installed telephones have no cord or handset which, in turn, mini
ben_vulpes: oh i am waiting for the great implosion of unwrangleable complexity
asciilifeform: great until MOTHERFUCKER WON'T BUILD NO MATTER WHAT
ben_vulpes: the windows shop approach is not at all bad from a resourcing perspective. 'software is complicated and sucks and we need a budget for maintaining ours. may as well just pick technologies we can staff for 60k/yr/butt and allocate integer butts.'
ben_vulpes: americans think /healthcare/ is going to bury them in costs. they have no idea what the maintenance cost of the past 2 decades is going to be. what a burden poorly written software is on a business.
asciilifeform: my observation was that there is STRONG anti-incentive.
ben_vulpes: man the 'not quite emacs' keybindings in weechat are killing me
a111: Logged on 2016-06-10 21:12 asciilifeform: davout: my observation was that there is ~0 incentive to make wwwtronic systems lighter/more consistent/more apprehendable/less broken.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480694 << another take on this: the only constraint on complexity is design and discipline.
ben_vulpes: i'm a peripherial acquaintance with another cult that occasionally writes, say, templating languages in c. for use from c.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480691 << /me squints and points at the funny frenchman
a111: Logged on 2016-06-11 01:27 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480691 << i never considered ruby/django/bullshit for trilema. neither did ANYONE who ever made a tmsr website, unless i'm missremembering. it's just not useful - if it were, i guess we'd be using it.
pete_dushenski: the mere suggestion that the state can ~do~ things that private individuals can is misleading and farcical.
mircea_popescu: throughout. no exceptions. no meta-bullshit. from petraeus to the last grunt, zero, nada. nothing.
mircea_popescu: you're acting as if they're doing that, or any other thing, for fucking fun. it's not for fun. they're doing that, like everything else, for the same reason : they perceive they gotta do something ; dunno how to do anything useful or effectual and so this is what's left.
mircea_popescu: am i the only one that's very amused by this joke ? guess so huh.
mircea_popescu: soon enough, once we complete the uti.
pete_dushenski: weapons too heavy to lift and paper of such poor quality even the knock-off artists on the other side of the pacific don't want it
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: if i was at that life stage (yes, it's coming!) then i will have one garage for five cars and another of ~equal size~ for back-up power
pete_dushenski: because everyone else on the outside is pointing and laughing
mod6: He did spend 1 year with the Whalers
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: considering that the whole ministry hasn't been closed down and personnel - jailed as members of a criminal org - i'd say the pretense is maintained.
pete_dushenski: and does it even maintain the pretense ?
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: but that begs the question : why is this loop-di-loop necessary to maintain the pretense ?
asciilifeform: because you want to maintain the pretense of 'rule of law' ?
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: but then why use superpower so inefficiently ? it's like 'i have x-ray vision, but only when i look at this angled mirror at you'
deedbot: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/30/nsa-americans-metadata-year-documents << NSA stores metadata of millions of web users for up to a year, secret ... | http://trilema.com/2016/no-such-labs-snsa-april-2016-statement/ << No Such lAbs (S.NSA), April 2016 Statement on Trilema - A blog by ... | http://www.wired.com/2013/06/phew-it-was-just-metadata-not-think-again/ << Phew, NSA Is Just Collecting Metadata. (You Should Still Worry ...
pete_dushenski: ie. 'rsa pill really exists, just you wait until they drop bomb'
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: 1 set of rules for public/low-cleared grunts, another - for eloi. elementary.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-10 17:58 asciilifeform: be transmitted over a U.S. border, then legally the NSA/CIA/SCS will claim that it then falls into an international transmission and that they are justified in performing an intercept, even though it is a domestic call, but because it was shot out of the United States over an international loopback. Another wrinkle is because this loopback to the UK, the British government will also intercept it at the loopba
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480374 << seems like a lot of busywork to circumvent own rule, which i suppose only goes to show that http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480384 is the controlling point. head would never do this to self, ergo no head.
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480214 << now ~that's~ the business. will defo be looking into these at next place (2017 sometime)
a111: Logged on 2016-06-10 16:37 mircea_popescu: yeah but you want the bridge to be wide enough. 1kw is not practically useful - inductive charge for an average ac unit for instance easily beats 5kw
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480202 << ac isn't 'mission critical'. if it goes down for 15 minutes or even 5 hours, you might be a little sweaty and grumpy, but your hard drives aren't so flexible, especially if they get caught mid-write with their pants down (but ianae)
mircea_popescu: might have been in the older-than-btcbase logs.
shinohai: I remembered it being mentioned somewhere but have yet to find the ref
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-11#1480758 << amusingly, iirc that shoe is actually mentioned in this very log, and ~nowhere else on the "entire" www.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-10 21:33 davout: if what i want is sell dildos online, and $framework runs on 15$/month box, wtf do i need a website that could run on a ti-89 for x10000 the price?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480720 << well, various webscum will derp about how "website doesn't look correct". will lose you all the business of $5 bucks, they fuck themselves manually.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-10 21:31 davout: the point is that wtf do i need golden toilet for, i shit just as fine on a regular one!
mircea_popescu: medicine works a lot like this, in principle but with smaller parameters. law works precisely the same way.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-10 21:15 asciilifeform: have, in fact, invented a means of 'putting out' fire that simply moves it, 10x amplified, to another spot.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-10 21:14 davout: your point is basically that the fireman could have a tendency to pyromania?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480691 << i never considered ruby/django/bullshit for trilema. neither did ANYONE who ever made a tmsr website, unless i'm missremembering. it's just not useful - if it were, i guess we'd be using it.
mircea_popescu: and this is systematically the problem of the fucking state. by inventing "god's marriage" it fucks up the natural social hierarchy ; where some get all and most get none. and by inventing "bureaucracy" idem. keep reducing "inequality" which is to say - those who deserve to starve and those who deserve to puke - all get the same three peas ; those who deserve to bathe and those who deserve to burn - all in the lukewarm pit.
mircea_popescu: the problem with this being that it ambiguously mixes two categories. one from outside can't distinguish between the pigs that drove the ship into mud and the poor souls trying to push it back out. they're all ~ equally covered in the same shit.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-10 21:07 asciilifeform: davout: see thread. if the mess did not exist, ben_vulpes et al would have to earn bread some other way
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480685 << no, this is the problem. a bunch of idiots would have to earn bread different way ; and ben_vulpes would be allowed to do something less idiotic with his time. that's the problem whenever derps get the reins - they drive the ship ashore and someone's stuck fishing it back out.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-10 20:46 ben_vulpes: i went to upgrade a docker installation and they pulled this gorgeous trick where they actually deny access to repos based on docker client version
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: which rounds out the list.
a111: Logged on 2014-07-16 19:04 mircea_popescu: "Suppose you have a company that sets out to make a widget. Let's call it Company A. Its founders are all engineers, of an uncompromising sort, and the widget they design and manufacture is of tremendous longevity, durability and overall quality." << hey check out orlov.
asciilifeform: davout: it never looks like you're shitting in own soup, from the inside.
asciilifeform: 'Suppose you have a company that sets out to make a widget. Let's call it Company A. Its founders are all engineers, of an uncompromising sort, and the widget they design and manufacture is of tremendous longevity, durability and overall quality.... When consumers refuse to pay so much more than they feel they have to, Company A's widget fails in the marketplace, and the company is liquidated.'
davout: "have larger club, kill more enemies, rape moar of their daughters", pretty clear to me. "intentionnally shit in my own soup, so i can remain employed as a maker of fresh soup, as a general thing" is something i have a bit more trouble seeing though
asciilifeform: these will pile up, up.
davout: i'm not sure i agree with the generalization
asciilifeform: only gathers interest.
davout: i can see your parallel with the fiat world through the mere existence of the "technical debt" expression
asciilifeform: currently these folx are living in a golden age of 'i'll take a shit as big as i like and somebody ~else~ will clean up'
asciilifeform: imagine if programmers actually had to answer for their pollutants.
asciilifeform: like factory owner offloads pollution into the river.
asciilifeform: for absolutely nothing, esp. if you can offload the cost of your turd being pwned weekly, needing 16GB of ram, crashing daily, etc. on OTHER PEOPLE
davout: if what i want is sell dildos online, and $framework runs on 15$/month box, wtf do i need a website that could run on a ti-89 for x10000 the price?
asciilifeform: aha, in software world they re-defined 'just fine' to include turdolade that won't even build, regular crashes, infections, whole shebang.
davout: the point is that wtf do i need golden toilet for, i shit just as fine on a regular one!
asciilifeform: how many 'i wanna web site!111' folks are ready to pay for a year of 'there are 100 of me' time.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480691 << gotta understand, the number of people alive qualified to do this safely is probably < 100.
asciilifeform: (nor, i suspect, could he do this even if he wanted to - would have to also fix 1,001 turdware libs that the sufferers use, each of which will never be fixed because some 3-man shop somewhere also needs to eat... etc)
asciilifeform: for instance, what would happen if ben_vulpes were to fix the crud on a permanent, published basis ? rather than case-by-case
asciilifeform: the lack of incentive thing is elementary
davout: i blame 16gb of ram being seen as a small-sized server as the main cause of lazyness
asciilifeform: when stupidity, laziness, lead to starvation - they evaporate rapidly.
asciilifeform: rather like al schwartz's roach repellent which merely moves them to the neighbouring flat.
asciilifeform: have, in fact, invented a means of 'putting out' fire that simply moves it, 10x amplified, to another spot.
asciilifeform: davout: not simply this, but that these particular firemen do very little ASIDE FROM setting fires.
davout: your point is basically that the fireman could have a tendency to pyromania?
asciilifeform: davout: my observation was that there is ~0 incentive to make wwwtronic systems lighter/more consistent/more apprehendable/less broken.
davout: not "creating more labour to keep the cows busy"
davout: asciilifeform: yeah that's the point
davout: you could fix the cessna i fly with a toothpick and some wire, doesn't mean that the existence of the A380 is justified by the creation of labor for the cattle
davout: but that's kind of the same thing as saying "work creation is rewarded" when more modern airplanes require more maintenance
asciilifeform: davout: see thread. if the mess did not exist, ben_vulpes et al would have to earn bread some other way
davout: ah, missed the "in this case, 'work creation' is rewarded." line
davout: the language
davout: i definitely agree that this applies to rails the phramework, but i am and will openly remain a rubyrast
asciilifeform: what is the reaction downstream ?
asciilifeform: mr schmuck, the django or whatever dev, introduces breakage, additional dependencies.
asciilifeform: it is a mistake to suppose that the cancers, e.g., rails soup, happen by accident.
asciilifeform: aha, c existed before there 'had to be' employment for 50 million idiots.
ben_vulpes: each single breaking change was the result of an entirely wankatronic 'upgrade' to the compressor lib to take more dependencies on more stupid django internals
davout: in other news romania's soccer just got surprise butseks'd
ben_vulpes: i actually had to walk django-compressor backwards through its released versions, something like 3 whole major releases just to get it to work with the django 1.3.5 that this site needed
ben_vulpes: i wanted that old ubuntu for a motherfucking reason
ben_vulpes: i went to upgrade a docker installation and they pulled this gorgeous trick where they actually deny access to repos based on docker client version
asciilifeform: here's to hoping that docker undergoes the same death as described earlier.
ben_vulpes: and you raise the issue with railsfolk of standing and the response is almost always "yow. that sucks. have you tried docker?"
ben_vulpes: the publically available toolchain is ~worthless.
asciilifeform: the more interesting question: how many of these folks understand that their 'job' would not EVEN EXIST if it weren't for this lunacy.
ben_vulpes: "oh well i usually just work on one thing for 9-18 months at a stretch, jump to a new job and then wipe the entire install after a week of tearing my hair out"
davout: either install ruby package or build ruby from source, at least that's how *i* do it
ben_vulpes: probably because you figured out how it worked before those became the hot new 'right' way to do things
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: 'macports' installs ruby per se. it is the rails thing that melts down.
ben_vulpes: and the shims shitshow
ben_vulpes: what, all of the ruby install?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it dies as described in the link.
mircea_popescu: in other dubious news, this country is fucking incomprehensible. so i made mayo out of the greatest fucking eggs. clearly corn fed, happy chickens. same shop, tomatoes... the mealiest most retardedly disgusting ship-grown tomatoes. wtf! it's like they only shave half their face.
ben_vulpes: and burgeoningly the go environment as well
ben_vulpes: the whole railsvironment
ben_vulpes: docker adoption is largely driven by people who can't get it to work on their workstations
davout: ben_vulpes: osx doesn't really help either...
asciilifeform: except they were more advanced, mailed only tape
mircea_popescu: you mean, back like in the 60s ?
asciilifeform: just main motherfucking server.
trinque: asciilifeform: docker; that's exactly what they do
asciilifeform: they all set it up back when it built ? which ?
asciilifeform: what do all of the ben_vulpeses do ? pass a vm around?
asciilifeform: the more interesting question: this, recall, is mega-popular luser-friendly thing. running on #1 most beloved wwwtronicist's platform.
mircea_popescu: it's like they've ~all imported a bunch of known-broken, proven-dysfunctional mental tools and by god will fucking use those! EMPATHY!
mircea_popescu: lack of empathy srsly wtf is wrong with these people.
asciilifeform: it was the other end of a cpp thing i was doing for money. tried to reconstruct its natural habitat, to test...
asciilifeform: 'I'm going to close and lock this conversation, because I don't see any meaningful progress on reproducing the issue in the last month or so, and because of the unproductive conversations and noise.
asciilifeform: '@zenspider Mocking me? Honestly?!? And the "it works on my machine" response? I really appreciate the work people put into sharing their software with others, but you need to learn to treat people with respect who are trying to help improve your product. I need this for a new system I have inheirited. The first thing I am going to do is get rid of the dependency on your project.'
mircea_popescu: his concern is circumscribed much more narrowly - what's the paperwork say ? "not an error!"
mircea_popescu: but anyway, very illustrative. derp's problem is not WHAT THE THING IS.
asciilifeform: i can't even wholly figure out what happened there.
mircea_popescu: which historically has existed specifically so as not to meet them.
mircea_popescu: they've taken cubical drone wisdom to what's left of open source.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu has read more of the crapola than anyone ought to be expected to for free.
mircea_popescu: "mpapis commented Dec 22, 2014 it is standard and harmless thing, but ruby could allow filtering out this flags, this could be done as part of the filtration process that already happens in preprocessing in miniruby - but I do not think it would be considered as a ticket without pull request / patch to address this problem."
mircea_popescu: "behrangsa commented Dec 22, 2014 @mpapis, I didn't know that. If this is something common to gems with native extensions, etc. and how MRI works and it is harmless, then I have no complaints. "
mircea_popescu: " mpapis commented Dec 22, 2014 @behrangsa its limitation of remembering compilation flags by ruby, when the binary rubies are compiled by me or on travis they require to be given paths to statically linked libraries (*.a objects) - this path is then remembered by ruby and added to every gem compilation, as you can see this is not an error as only warning is issued, if you feel this requires fixing open a bug for MRI asking
mircea_popescu: well it was already all winched in the 70s/80s
mircea_popescu: or that's what they TELL YOU
mircea_popescu: also, vikings satisfied the rules. 100+ men in a 50 meter boat.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: or the vikings.
mircea_popescu: ftr, ocean faring with sails is a) not particularly practical in groups under ~100, nor with per-capita footage over ~1 meter or so ; nor can these really be women.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "yacht". they all have engines.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-10 19:18 mircea_popescu: fuckbed + coupla off duty girl beds + basic comforts like that. cooking remains a problem, obviously. but hey, at least you got the generator with you.
mircea_popescu: fuckbed + coupla off duty girl beds + basic comforts like that. cooking remains a problem, obviously. but hey, at least you got the generator with you.
trinque: asciilifeform │ what's 'dickless' or 'failed' about a 40ft yacht full of benjies ? << the world belonging to someone else
Framedragger: the whole fucking UK is built on this back-and-forth financial-wannabe masturbation. in that sense, "fuck your mother" (which includes such material manifestations as russian winter as you try to move troops in it) sounds much more sober, lively and worthwhile, heh. /incoherent-ranting
mircea_popescu: hence "apple could buy russia - if only it wanted to!" "oh yeah, what about russia ?" "oh, putin just doesn't understand how the world works" "oh yeah ? and who;s going to show him ? you ?" "democracy! humanrights!" "fuck your mother."
Framedragger: what's funny is the kind of schemes that these views make possible. e.g. you go to bank and bank says your co is worth shit. then you discover that you have "goodwill" etc. so you create another co. and license the use of the main co's TM etc. use to that other co. then you go to bank and show these invoices etc.; voila, inflated value
mircea_popescu: also of some (psychiatric) interest, the nonsensical attempt to equate "meaning" altogether, as the concept, with the shoddy, untenable implementation by usg & friends. "ip" is not the superset of noesis ffs.
mircea_popescu: and get yachts quite as long as the "sec compliance" dickless failed lawyers or w/e/
mircea_popescu: the "all intangibles are ip" is a similar clump of crap, sprouted by dickless failed lawyers who want to live the rest of their life in the "ip dept",
mircea_popescu: there's this pile of special pleading/peculiar interest "views" on reality. such as the marketeer derping about how "everyone else - contributes to costs ; marketing dept contributes to revenue".
trinque: the good old "feelings" line item
Framedragger: we consider them to be ip, then try to put onto balance sheet, then inflate another co's value
asciilifeform: it MUST go 'inside' the 'user' end, because otherwise enemy can cause you to waste pad.
Framedragger: ben_vulpes: IP is not just source code but shit like brand etc, and goodwill behind it. i'm not defending the foundation of IP, just sayin
mircea_popescu: ironically, this level of assurance doesn't belong in the p2p part of the scheme, but exactly at the other end.
asciilifeform: to get the 2 hour fill, you will need at least 32 of mine.
mircea_popescu: in general, a rng capable of delivering good quality data by the tb is not free.
mircea_popescu: provided the rng is that good, which probably it is not etc.
asciilifeform: and it buys you the final solution to crypto headache.
mircea_popescu: this definition of "know one another" is very deep. there isn't 1tb of "knowledge" in your average marital relationship.
asciilifeform: by letting the two units fuck.
mircea_popescu: even so. how do you communicate the pads ?
asciilifeform: thread was re point to point link between people who know one another.
asciilifeform: mechanism weighs the same, has same physical shape.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the problems with otp aren't exactly bandwidth like that.
asciilifeform: if not for this, you're stuck with in-person wotting and broken glass rods or other physical mechanisms of unforgeability.
asciilifeform: and yes, bitcoin (in the most general case) relies on there being such a thing as strong asymmetric crypto.
asciilifeform: consider the lengths that were gone to, in order to keep folks using rotors after vernam (otp) was a thing.
asciilifeform: quite arguably the entire 20th century circus re symmetric crypto (and possible every other kind) has been an elaborate - possibly engineered - distraction from this fact.
asciilifeform: essentially the Big Dirty Secret re crypto is that NO ONE HAS YET proven that non-otp cryptography ~actually exists~
asciilifeform: it is that using ANY system other than otp moves some nonzero qty of info re plaintext with the ciphertext.
trinque: and perhaps I'm alright with that for certain things, not okay with that on others
asciilifeform: trinque: the answer is: ~something~
a111: Logged on 2016-02-06 20:47 mircea_popescu: your bias-less rng shits out n/2 ones. they go against a message containing 3/4n ones. they will flip n/2 items in the message, 3/4 of which being 1s and 1/4 being 0s. you thus end up with 3/8 old ones + 1/8 ex-zeroes for a grand total of exactly 1/2 whoa.
trinque: what does me moving a cramer shoup key over an otp link reveal about the otp link
asciilifeform: y'know, otp, where a bit of ciphertext conveys 0 BITS OF INFO re corresponding (or any other) bit of plaintext.
asciilifeform: the point is to NOT USE ANYTHING ELSE
asciilifeform: trinque: do you understand the point of otp ?
trinque imagines pad-courier as a nice gig for the wandering type
trinque: asciilifeform: not really. if you wanted to move more data, could exchange pubkeys over the otp link.
asciilifeform: and can anyone suggest good reason why a p2p link between two permanent stations ought to be anything other than otp ?
asciilifeform: i can't be the only one who ever did this bit of arithmetic.
asciilifeform: 1TB can fit under the skin of little finger, no need to even open arse.
asciilifeform: that's 26 motherfucking years.
mircea_popescu: grew whicever way the dead tree was.
asciilifeform: can't see any other model for this.
asciilifeform: the usg circus tricks weren't cheap, and were very clearly carried out with the assumption that no one would ever discover working crypto.
mircea_popescu: the obvious pill being, of course, point to point encryption via uci on top of end to end encryption via gossipd.
asciilifeform: now that even pigeons in the park know that 100% of telcos participate.
asciilifeform: moar lulzily, where is the supposed 'economic devastation'.
asciilifeform: be transmitted over a U.S. border, then legally the NSA/CIA/SCS will claim that it then falls into an international transmission and that they are justified in performing an intercept, even though it is a domestic call, but because it was shot out of the United States over an international loopback. Another wrinkle is because this loopback to the UK, the British government will also intercept it at the loopback point, so that the cal
asciilifeform: 'At Tuckerton, Lynn, and other sites, since just after 9/11/2001 if you place a call from Washington, DC to Boston, the call does not actually get sent over underground cables inside the United States, but rather the call gets injected into an international landing site, and routed to Great Britain, and then sent back to the same U.S. Landing location, essentially being a loopback in the UK. Because the loopback caused the signal to
asciilifeform: version of the license and then a classified addendum to the agreement. The company who seek the license will be assigned a classified compartments code name that will be "Top Secret/ESI" with the ESI standing for "Extremely Sensitive Information" as disclosure could directly lead to economic devastation to the company, and their involvement must be kept secret.'
asciilifeform: 'When any U.S. telecommunications company wishes to install a physical fiber optic connection, and that connection cross into or out of the national borders of the United States, the company which terminates the fiber, in what is called a "landing" is required under federal law to obtain an "International Landing" license, and this is done via the Federal Communications Commission, and there is ALWAYS, repeat ALWAYS, an unclassified
a111: Logged on 2016-06-10 17:10 ben_vulpes: then "omg tensions were so high yesterday i don't want to come in"
mircea_popescu: here they work as indended, ie anonymously.
asciilifeform: at one point they were 'anonymous' but then merchants were usgized into collecting names, addressed; today they are largely used by lumpens who can't get normal phone (as it requires credit history)
asciilifeform: wouldn't that put a small upper bound on the loot ?
mircea_popescu: in argentina, telcos just steal the prepaid credit. no need for all this.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-10 17:31 mircea_popescu: supposedly all this pile of effort is getting paid through derps putting in their mobile # and then getting charged by telco ; of which gross the author makes ~40%.
mircea_popescu: supposedly all this pile of effort is getting paid through derps putting in their mobile # and then getting charged by telco ; of which gross the author makes ~40%.
mircea_popescu: in other google lulz : https://archive.is/sb3iJ wherein 4th result is "rockettcafe.com/iyob4x/mai-tipe-ros.html". now rockettcafe.com is some derpy texas eatery (which got scammed by the webtard community of a decade ago into "needing" a website), but the precise url google recommends actually does X-Powered-By: PHP/5.3.29 302 Location: coolin.in/for/77?d=rockettcafe.com
mircea_popescu: but see, the parser should never consider this question. because if it does, it narrows unduly the space of possible expression.
ben_vulpes: why would i give a shit about the bitterness of a cure for a made up ailment i ask you
mircea_popescu: it is your job to review the timeflow and add sufficient context so that your question is not fitted to later items under discussion than what you mean!
mircea_popescu: i can ; but the rule is that question is fit to the closest non-contradicting context.
mircea_popescu: i thought you were asking IF THE CURE IS BITTER!
ben_vulpes: i hope i don't taste like blueberries, and further how would you know?!
mircea_popescu: nope. tastes like blueberries, vaguely. and non-constipating either.
mircea_popescu: all natural. the only diarrhea that survives it is death.
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mircea_popescu: allow me to recommend perfectly definitive solution for the shits :
gribble: Error: We broke The Google!
mircea_popescu: ;;ud the shits
ben_vulpes: "you better tell me you have the shits, because that excuse is completely unacceptable."
mircea_popescu: is this the voice of bitter experience ?