asciilifeform: any other usage is nyooz to me.
mod6: in way that asciilifeform lays it out, in the sense that this vpatch would start from 'false' and end on 'SOME_HASH' and create a file(s)|directory(ies) that did not previously exist, then yes a 'genesis' but only on concept - not in name. as we shouldn't not confuse the two imho.
mircea_popescu: then people get conned into pretending "education" is an engineering field.
mircea_popescu: the problems only begin when trinque goes on a jwz rampage "i only wanted the offspring to sprout, not rob the store".
asciilifeform: granted if trinque ~specifically~ gets off on watching the offspring sprout, there is little that can be done for him by engineer.
asciilifeform: to make the activity INDISTINGUISHABLE from exactly the wanted thing, minus the undesired sequelae.
mircea_popescu: there's a difference between "can not be cut apart" and "sometimes you get a hankering for bareback ; so you make sure the bitch's on the pill"
mod6: so maybe, everyone's call, including yours for a 'v-genesis' vpatch had me thrown that it should be a 'genesis' and not a simple vpatch to what currently already exists out there.
a111: Logged on 2016-01-19 21:55 ascii_butugychag: pete_dushenski: try to understand the perspective of inventor. for x,xxx years churchmen prattled on about sex and reproduciton 'cannot cut apart'. and now they can go get stuffed.
asciilifeform: note, elementarily it finds its way back to the genesis (or dies trying) and there is never any need to ~specify~ a genesis or the like.
asciilifeform: well, in my original v, ./v.py patches p patches/mod6_something_or_other_bleeding_edge_leaf.vpatch
mod6: don't worry about that. paint me a picture on how you might go about the task - how and where does t.pl go? or v.pl ?
mod6: this would sit adjacent to the 'bitcoin' directory? (just trying to get a visual in my head here)
mircea_popescu: mod6 each genesis carves it's own "universe", of possible patches. asciilifeform prefers to call this universe "light cone". it could perhaps be argued that the applicable patches as shaped by your trusted keys is more properly your light cone, though might as well call it "trust cone" and be done with it
mod6: so what would your implementation look like here? a patch to a current leaf of the trb patches that inflates say t/t.pl from 'false' on the end of the trb 'light-code' ?
asciilifeform: light cone is what you get when you find the intersection of one particular observer's notion of 'i can see WHOLE UNIVERSE!1111' with... reality.
asciilifeform: the thing i was trying to invoke there was situation with, e.g., ancient greeks, who cite works that are no longer around.
asciilifeform: say it turns out that nsa was using v, and their patch leaks, even this is 'part of my lightcone'
asciilifeform: mod6: not the concept i had in mind.
mod6: so we are agreed then that things outside of the trb light-cone, get its own light-cone - a multiverse of things, yeah?
asciilifeform: (simply add comment in the part1 items as part of part2 patch)
asciilifeform: since the last time we had this thread.
mircea_popescu: and to my eyes this is an essential point of wtf we're even doing here in the first place.
asciilifeform: the only way to build shiva is by pressing dual-headed.
mircea_popescu: so then...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in the sense that it fails to attack to the tree it is very broken. i have no idea why a v build would even include it.
asciilifeform: so they are not v-relatives.
asciilifeform: each creates the respective foundational thing out of thin air.
asciilifeform: neither has antecedents.
asciilifeform: there is no such animal in v as it exists today.
mircea_popescu: "a genesis" makes no sense ; vpatches with no antecendents are merely that - vpatches with no antecedents. the genesis is the first item.
asciilifeform: they are still genesi
mircea_popescu: then you're not making any sense. there can be exactly 1 genesis for any press, build, v etc.
mircea_popescu: there can only be one.
mircea_popescu: mod6 in /8a5485a/ provided "8a5485a" is the genesis' hash
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because "everything together" monolith ?
mircea_popescu: i didn't realise he saw this as a mistake either!
mod6: im fine with this too -- alf sees this as a mistake. so just thought I'd take a minute to address the alternative. unless there is something that I haven't considered? asciilifeform? suggestions?
mircea_popescu: now, why not put its work product in a directory named for the genesis employed ?
mod6: one inflates the trb universe into bitcoin, the other into v. i guess it doesn't have to be that way.. v-genesis could be added later on down the line as a leaf node. but then it probably shouldn't be named "genesis" as that seems to break the convention.
mircea_popescu: phf the problem is there's no good way to extract that alias string. maybe yours is bitcoin and mine is Bit-coin
mircea_popescu: mod6 the part where each press should end up collected in the /genesis-hash/ dir is settled, i thought ?
mod6: these are multiple roots.
mod6: mircea_popescu: i mean, if i have genesis.vpatch (trb) and v-genesis.vpatch in http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/
mod6: and in this case, some of these things are somewhat related, and that might be ok. but in the future, there might be things that are not so closely related. so might be trying to get out in front and make this able to handle multiple projects by seperating them out.
phf: something to keep in mind is that vpatch paths already include top level directory, like for example all the bitcoin ones are bitcoin/... so pressing them into an empty directory foo will result in foo/bitcoin/... tree
mod6: so i kinda see this in two ways. either i place v/t/whatever into /v/ and we have many multiple roots, inwhich case when you pull from the mirror you end up with the following dirs: bitcoin, t, v, whatever, ... or we can break this up into multiple projects.
a111: Logged on 2016-02-08 20:09 ascii_butugychag: i will half-seriously suggest that we refer to the ~set of patches, seals, keys~ that a particular vtron is aware of at his particular point in spacetime, as... his lightcone
mircea_popescu: because, for any given genesis block, the possible patches are universally available ; and the only way to obtain variant builds is through pruning the sigs.
asciilifeform: 'Gov. Rick Scott of Florida said on Monday that he had asked Mr. Obama to issue a federal emergency declaration for his state. “Yesterday’s terror attack was an attack on our state and entire nation,” Mr. Scott said in a statement. “This morning, I have asked President Obama to declare an emergency so that the full resources of the federal government can be made available for all those impacted by this horrific massacre.” I
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let's go into detail here. so, the observation was, that as v is used in multiple projects, it makes no sense all the files be dumped in the same directory. this is sound. what directory shall they be dumped into ?
asciilifeform: 'When asked during the news conference if there was a chance that people might have been struck by friendly fire or in the crossfire, Chief Mina said: “I will say that is all part of the investigation. But I will say when our SWAT officers, about eight or nine officers, opened fire, their backdrop was a concrete wall. And they were being fired upon, so that is all part of the investigation.”'
asciilifeform: it is the easy solution, but imho mistake.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-13 23:43 mod6: Which also means, it almost makes no sense to even publish the v-genesis.vpatch that I currently have as it is no use to anyone if they can't grab a canonical version from the mirror. All they'd be able to do is get it from the mailing list, with the seal, and drop it into their local working directory as one would expect.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-13#1481822 << the 'canonical version' thing is what made my ears stand
asciilifeform: ( mircea_popescu do you happen to have the link handy to this thread ? )
a111: Logged on 2016-06-13 23:43 mod6: Which also means, it almost makes no sense to even publish the v-genesis.vpatch that I currently have as it is no use to anyone if they can't grab a canonical version from the mirror. All they'd be able to do is get it from the mailing list, with the seal, and drop it into their local working directory as one would expect.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-13#1481822 << mircea_popescu made a very convincing argument in favour of ~not~ having a central repo of any kind, but rather - if anything - a streamlined mechanism for each lord (including mod6 & ben_vulpes under the banner of trb foundation) to put ~his own trb~ in usable format on ~his own~ www
asciilifeform: it is THERE, after all.
asciilifeform: if i want to use, e.g., shiva genesis, in some other tool, there is no reason to duplicate it
asciilifeform: the segmentation into 'projects' is unnecessary carryover from old world.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mod6 if i want trb i don't need to ask for '/trb/whateverthefuck-fixes-retardation.vpatch', asking for whateverthefuck-fixes-retardation.vpatch must suffice !
gribble: The operation succeeded.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-13 23:39 mod6: and since now we have; trb, t, v, ... and many others probably forthcoming, one should need to specify what they want to pull down locally.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mod6 http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-13#1481818 << nooooooooooo this is catastrophic mistake. rationally pulling down the deps for the thing you want is WHY WE HAVE V.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-14 00:48 mircea_popescu: hey asciilifeform got a link to where you made the point in the log that most of what sane people do consists of cleaving the practical from the metaphysical or such ?
a111: Logged on 2016-01-19 21:55 ascii_butugychag: pete_dushenski: try to understand the perspective of inventor. for x,xxx years churchmen prattled on about sex and reproduciton 'cannot cut apart'. and now they can go get stuffed.
phf: the cross over of young people who are into burn like events and young people who are into shootin'&dune buggies is particularly obnoxious in u.s.
phf: i rarely have an inclination to bring rifle to burn like events, and the kind of events that allow rifles are a bit too beer&jesus for my taste. or whatever jesus substitute they do dawkins science.
ben_vulpes: unfortunately, because it's in canada (and this is in no way different from the burn) there are no firearms to discharge irresponsibly
ben_vulpes: my multiple-week-summer-vacation is now to a house on the sound side of vancouver island where we play music extremely loudly eat all sorts of interesting things and motor about on each others motorthingers
ben_vulpes: i just lost patience with other people's bullshit
ben_vulpes: just looks like a decommissioned avis bus with a platform on top during the rainy parts of the year
phf: well, then i've no idea how you work on mvs unless you go to oakland for summer pre event or something
ben_vulpes: phf: bless the borg
ben_vulpes: THE BESTEST RIGS
ben_vulpes: i think that's why i like working on the mvs
phf: i've been building with the same master carpenter so we usually start with a pile of wood, pile lag bolts and dodgy plans from various artist friends, so speed and malleability are prime considerations
ben_vulpes: i learned on the mutant vehicles before doing any pyreworks, so have a built-in preference for reusable steel stuffs
phf: but ultimately cuts my build time. there's only so many days you can spend building a wood structure in 50 degree direct sun desert hit
phf: well, since it sounds like we're both talking from burn build experience, some people get impact drills and some don't. if i overtorque i just put a second one next to it. it's not pretty, but it ensures that bunch of drugged out hippies can do somersaults on the thing
mircea_popescu: what else do you bolt, the bare beam for ornamentation ?
mircea_popescu: and then bolted.
ben_vulpes: mnah, mortise and tenon has the beam itself shaped into tongues and grooves to sit into itself
ben_vulpes: i'm trying to dig up the original source of this design and completely failing
mircea_popescu: get the girls all drugged up, make them pronounce "assemblableable" evening's entertainment right there!
ben_vulpes: the design was 3 bolts through 3 beams at each intersection point
ben_vulpes: or perhaps some do, i never got to party with the 3lite sillicon valley crowd
ben_vulpes: one does not haul a thing to the playa unfurled.
ben_vulpes: useful when you have a nut on the far side. the hammer helps to overcome static friction on the bolt/nut planes, thereby letting you twist the bolt a little further.
ben_vulpes: it is perhaps forgivable if you Swear to God to not back the lag bolt out and ever use the hole for anything ever again, but that is straight up dangerous because you cannot make guarantees about who will do what with your holes out of your sight.
BingoBoingo: Seriously though who the fuck decided to use loctite to secure a wear item
phf: basically that rapid torgue will help where you need torgue (like with a stuck bit), but hinder where you need precision, like if the end started running you'll scrape whatever
phf: another. it's definitely harder to make a precise hole with an impact driver too.
phf: BingoBoingo: i think there are cases where impact driver applies, like if your bit gets stuck in metal, and you want to power through it, but like others said, don't drill metal with general bits. i've used impact driver on large wood builds and it's a joy to use, the torgue makes for a very rapid but controlled coupling. i think i might've grabbed one to do drilling in a pinch, but i wouldn't say i noticed much difference one way or
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trinque: when you sit down to take a shit, but there's no paper, that's ISIS!
mircea_popescu: i recall the word cleave being used but teh search is unhelpful
mircea_popescu: hey asciilifeform got a link to where you made the point in the log that most of what sane people do consists of cleaving the practical from the metaphysical or such ?
mod6: arg. what a long day. can't believe it's already the thirteenth
mod6: %e t 1 S "Update tb0t with Long Notes" "After the implementation of the Long Notes feature, roll out new version of tb0t." 2
mod6: %e t 1 S "Update tb0t with Long Notes" "After the implementation of the Long Notes feature, roll out new version of tb0t." 1
mod6: %a t S "Update tb0t with Long Notes" "After the implementation of the Long Notes feature, roll out new version of tb0t."
mod6: anyway, the good news is; its not chiseled into stone.
mod6: %a v T "Update V" "Implement ability for V to pull separate projects from the mirror based on hash (or possible alias)."
mod6: yeah, i'll have to work out something with that. i think on the server side, the hash value as dir name is a nice touch
mircea_popescu: well, on sane systems there's simlinks at least.
mircea_popescu: and there's symlinks if anyone wants to alias.
mircea_popescu: ideally : items should live in a dir = the genesis hash.
mod6: Which would be fine, but seems like I should just wait until after 99994, then one can grab V, and use V to do V things. It's a mind bender. :]
mod6: Which also means, it almost makes no sense to even publish the v-genesis.vpatch that I currently have as it is no use to anyone if they can't grab a canonical version from the mirror. All they'd be able to do is get it from the mailing list, with the seal, and drop it into their local working directory as one would expect.
mod6: What does this mean for us: It means that I need to implement the ability to grab named projects from the mirror. This will require a new version of V (99994), updating documentation et. al.
mod6: and since now we have; trb, t, v, ... and many others probably forthcoming, one should need to specify what they want to pull down locally.
mod6: which it kinda does -- but V, in its current form, expects all vpatches and seals to be in http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/
mod6: and while using V, can use it to press out a new V. that part is happy enough. but there is a new feature that needs to be implemented for V: The ability to have separate projects.
mod6: Probably would just tack it on the notes here. Sound ok?
tb0t: Project: trb, ID: 30, Type: I, Subject: Investigate a new design for the Wallet, Antecedents: , Notes: An investigation must be conducted to create a specification for a reimplemented wallet. The outcome of this will drive ticket 29.
mod6: If I were to do it, i might just add a note in ther ethat says "wallet functionality and ``caching transactions'' need to be perm. separated."
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> oh and mod6 - suppose i want to add the observation that really, the wallet functionality and the "caching transactions" functionality should be separated in bitcoin - there's no conceivable reason to store the latter in the former for instance. how would i go about adding this to the bitcoin tickets ? ask you ? do something myslef ? << you certainly can feel free to help me round out the t
BingoBoingo: That seems like a presumptuous suggestion without knowing what the hole is for...
asciilifeform: just shoot the hole, it is moar humane.
BingoBoingo: Or I guess solving plastic is the bigger threat
BingoBoingo: Anyways chuck on old drill no longer retains bits and fucking retaining screw is stuck with loctite from the factory
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mircea_popescu: metal is ductile, unlike all other materials (wood, concrete, etc) which are friable.
mircea_popescu: the thing is ~for concrete, wtf are you doing.
BingoBoingo: coolies of course being the power tools
mircea_popescu: The Chinese coolie is the ideal industrial machine, the perfect human ox. He will transform less food into more work, with less administrative friction, than any other creature...Also, they cost nothing but money. << from what i understand this is getting fixed these days.
asciilifeform: usa was not in the war!1111
asciilifeform: with which there was no war yet.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the ww2 hostilities were a mutually ratcheting of various acts, i don't see the argument. if they sold to japan it would have been === selling to germany.
asciilifeform: ringing commercial relations between the nations to an effective end. One week later Roosevelt embargoed the export of such grades of oil as still were in commercial flow to Japan.”[2] The British and the Dutch followed suit, embargoing exports to Japan from their colonies in southeast Asia.'
asciilifeform: authority, “[o]n July 31, exports of aviation motor fuels and lubricants and No. 1 heavy melting iron and steel scrap were restricted.” Next, in a move aimed at Japan, Roosevelt slapped an embargo, effective October 16, “on all exports of scrap iron and steel to destinations other than Britain and the nations of the Western Hemisphere.” Finally, on July 26, 1941, Roosevelt “froze Japanese assets in the United States, thus b
asciilifeform: 'Accordingly, the Roosevelt administration, while curtly dismissing Japanese diplomatic overtures to harmonize relations, imposed a series of increasingly stringent economic sanctions on Japan. In 1939 the United States terminated the 1911 commercial treaty with Japan. “On July 2, 1940, Roosevelt signed the Export Control Act, authorizing the President to license or prohibit the export of essential defense materials.” Under this
mircea_popescu: lest the reader be confused, let it be pointed out that pre ww1, the united states carried about as much credit in europe (aka, the world) as argentina does today. hardly anyone gave a shit about them, and the us president visiting couldn't get a hotel room on credit.
mircea_popescu: i dun see the historical backing for your reading.
mircea_popescu: and how ? for one thing, "usg" scarcely mattered at the time. for the other, thebrits denied the russians their ports.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, the observation that pearl harbour was just exactly as much a dog and pony show of "no one could have foreseen" as the 9/11 stuff is important.
mircea_popescu: maybe 3 in a hundred hollywood movies about "Science fiction" are anything even vaguely out of the mold of thinly veiled nigger wank.
mircea_popescu: which is why they keep "stealing our wiminz", are all "half demon half child", and always run by a brood mother which sprouts indistinct babies without a father.
mircea_popescu: anyway. vampirism and the interest thereof has traditionally been a gay outlet ; not peculiarly a race outlet. the race outlet (in the us, which is ~the only place that cares) has traditionally been "aliens", which are almost always niggers.
asciilifeform: ny case preserved), nor yet tropical Africa, is fit for our people. But North America, that continent so succulently green, fresh, and unsullied—except for the few chattering mongrel Yankees…”' << win.
asciilifeform: 'I give you Count Okuma of the Tokyo Hochi, “…a race of thieves with the hearts of rabbits. America to any warrior race, is not as a foe, but as an immense melon, ripe for the cutting…North America alone will support a billion people; that billion shall be Japanese with their slaves. Not arid Asia, not worn out Europe (which, with its peculiar and quaint relics and customs, should in the interest of history and culture, be in a
mircea_popescu: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=526 << this is actually a surprising cogent summary, esp considering the source. i wonder who he's stolen from.
asciilifeform: gold-plated brass everything, telephones, the whole orchestra.
asciilifeform: it had some (i forget who) 'godfather' type's prison cell, re-created
asciilifeform: there was once a 'crime museum' in washington, with, e.g., famous electric chairs, bonnie & clyde's car, etc.
mircea_popescu: maybe he was really good with the gab. it's been known to happen.
mircea_popescu: btw, the dude that impregnated four "corrections officers" while in jail ? terrence white, at the time boss of "black guerilla family" which apparently is a sort of black crips/mob device
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu moar circus clowns: https://github.com/joshua-m-david/jerichoencryption << there is a pestilential profusion of these 'i'ma STROOOONG CRYYYPTO!!1111 IN NODEJS !111' out there.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it was the 1 quasi-working linux distro, other than 'make it all by hand'
diana_coman: lol, I don't think they actually had any idea what they wanted (or meant for that matter)
mircea_popescu: diana_coman i'm pretty much convinced by now that what the ro crowds actually meant in 1989 by "wanting western democracy" was "we want italian tv"
phf: asciilifeform: i was just about to work a bit on my de-poettterrring-ed gentoo laptop. did they break everything?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: http://gizmodo.com/a-clip-on-motorized-cat-tail-is-your-first-step-to-beco-1781909950 <<< you gonna take the leap BingoBoingo ?
Framedragger: also, a bunch of /8 and /16s are empty. like 11.0.0.0/8 (used by whom? DoD of course) - these cunts
Framedragger: this excludes most hetzner ip ranges because hetzner triggers a fuckload of abuse complaints. but i'll soon scan *only them* (which will anger them, and let the hate fiercely flow into /dev/null), which will a buncha hosts to that 21.1M i expect.
Framedragger: ..sooo, ~21.1M ssh hosts with port 22 open in ipv4 space. i expected more, but a time will come for a re-scan, and i finally got around to 'streamlining' the process, and vc's idontcareaboutscans policy helped here, so re-scan will be a piece of cake.
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asciilifeform: 'the devil's gold -- turns to leaves.'
phf: it's the ml crowd, they still manage to dazzle me with their trinkets. and then i think about it for 5 minutes and go "waitaminute"
asciilifeform: phf: the approach illustrated in 'bone lisp' is ~equivalent to an ordinary scheme with strictly limited lifespan of whole session.
asciilifeform: 'Police claim the man refused to drop a pocket knife. In the video, the officer appears to kick something away from the man’s body, although no object can be readily seen. In typical police fashion, officers can be seen handcuffing the victims body as he lay in a pool of blood.'
asciilifeform: sounds about as 'clever' as my 'shiva' thing nuking its entire guts when you disconnect the term.
phf: i heard of technique in a context of Abuse video game, where all the objects that were allocated during calculations for a single screen frame would be abandoned on next frame, which makes sense in this one particular case. i think maybe Seaside had support for that per-request. i guess people came up with formal ways of doing it
asciilifeform: who the fuck thought this was good idea, and why.
phf: asciilifeform: deallocates when you unroll frames, and i guess there are techniques to figure out how up the frame an object has moved from its allocation point
mircea_popescu: diametric you know that excellent mastroianni scene where the fatties eat up palermo ?
diana_coman: heh; truth be told men in the south were exactly like fat, ugly spiders: round, small, hairy and basically creeping around the corners at any given time
mircea_popescu: sigh. see, this is the problem with trying to be a mad dictator in a rational way. everyone spokes your wheels!
phf: asciilifeform: https://github.com/wolfgangj/bone-lisp another one of them small lisps, already with a bunch of idiosyncratic decisions, but notable for using regions for memory management (and hence immutable).
mircea_popescu adds "italians" to the list of excommunicables.
mircea_popescu: as most stupid shit in this country. or, come to think about it, ther world over.
mircea_popescu: there is literally no way to know whether he goes straight or right until he does it. and they're so horrible they don't drive straight anyway. so...
Framedragger: omg, sounds insane, how do they survive
mircea_popescu: trinque these people don't signal turning, forget lane change. at least on the highway there's some basis to guess on the basis of impulse and make. but in the city ?
trinque: keeps you awake on the highway
mircea_popescu: Framedragger yeah. the difference being that while i wouldn't try to drive in cairo without getting a degree in it first, at least THEY manage to move things reasonably. here, i wouldn't drive unless i had an open license to kill and plentiful ammo, AND they have more traffic, fewer driven miles and more roads than anywhere in the world.
mircea_popescu: fucking crazed egyptians in cairo did a better job, and their idea of traffic lights was tooting the horn.
asciilifeform: we have these here.
mircea_popescu: nope, need has created to innovation to date. they'll sit and rot and think what they do is driving.
mircea_popescu: it is so bad traffic here is 90% due to the people being unable to merge. and they're unable to merge because a) they don't signal and b) they're the sort of idiots that don't signal. and yet...
mircea_popescu: (incidentally, the argentines are THE WORST drivers. horribad. you know how latinos in the civilised world have a bad reputation ? well... im sure argentina is the reason for it. they signal ~1/3 of the time, you gotta guess they intend to turn or not - AND they have no conception of blinker fluid or any other way means or conceptual approach for the problem. it's just not fucking there. idjits.)
mircea_popescu: they have blinker fluid in english too.
mircea_popescu: careful with the johnson rod though.
phf: i'll just work it out from first principles :D as long as they don't kick me out in horror in the first few hours, i'd be fine
mircea_popescu: of course engines moved from carbureted to injected in the interval, but then again...
phf: mircea_popescu: i grew up working on cars with my grandfather, was the main dacha activity, i figured what quality of car mechanic would people advertising food&loding on craigslist really need?
mircea_popescu: incidentalyl, someone bored enough should do a survey of nice on extant linux decayed forms. it'd be a pretty good way to diagnose the utter ruin of the ecosystem.
trinque: asciilifeform: isn't there an ionice or something
trinque: the box is slow because there's this astonishingly IO intensive shitty key-value store called bitcoin running on it :D
Framedragger: look at dem loops, to set up ascii chars and then only work on offsets
a111: Logged on 2016-06-12 01:50 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell phf Apparently the motor commune still wants for mechanic https://stlouis.craigslist.org/lbg/5630646192.html
mircea_popescu: Framedragger i applaud her too, which is why her scrawny ineffectual efforts get a link. nevertheless, it can't be said she's effectual. she isn't.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger "cto" best part. nigga, you might be the first CORPORATE OFFICER / mexican illegal combo in history.
mircea_popescu: so then.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform men. you ever heard of women escape any sort of incarceration, that wasn't the owner coming to get the bitches back ?
a111: Logged on 2016-06-13 14:52 mircea_popescu: but to make it short and sweet : if she were the sort of six-deviations talented woman that'd benefit from what you imagine is "not having to show up in an office", she'd pointedly not be writing the sort of crap.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-13#1481565 << she writes the crapolade ~so as~ not to be confined in an office. just like folks will hide unsheathed knives up their arse, kill guards with bare teeth, whatever, to get out of the camp
mircea_popescu: (oh and one for the collectors, hey asciilifeform did you actually get chet to sign your copy ? iirc she signed less than half dozen all told.)
mircea_popescu: (and for the ego - back in 2004 when i published asylum editor was like "isn't this a little short ?". apparently i was merely being pioneeric, the notion of "book" dropped half the pages past two decades, from 300something to 150ish.)
mircea_popescu: maybe in 2017 people finally wake up to the realisation of how perfectly genre fiction at ~150 pages in paperback and of her exact vintage would fill the holes in their souls!
mircea_popescu: she isn't. she just hopes that 2007200820092020102011omgit'sbeenfiveyears!2012201320142015omfgwhere'sitallgone!2016 will be "the year of the hawk-cobra" or whatever the fuck. hey, it worked for that dumb broad, what's her name, that wrote those linkedin novels and sold them for 26 billion copies or what ? they even made a film about it, "whatsap!"
mircea_popescu: but to make it short and sweet : if she were the sort of six-deviations talented woman that'd benefit from what you imagine is "not having to show up in an office", she'd pointedly not be writing the sort of crap.
mircea_popescu: the film is bad, as a film. but for people entirely unwarare of what curse women are upon themselves in isolation... a decent primer i guess.
mircea_popescu: "the piano teacher", turns out.
mircea_popescu: nah, some recent atrocity. a very insufferable woman lives a "civilised" life with her... mother, and postures a lot at work. her unwind is to sniff used rags in porn coinoperated booths.
asciilifeform: the ww2 one ?
mircea_popescu: you ever saw "the pianist" incidentally ?
mircea_popescu: at least if she went to an office there'd be the remote possibility of getting some.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hey, writing pulp crapolade beats the SHIT out of showing up to an office.
mircea_popescu: living the dream, i guess.
mircea_popescu: chick's ~30, has been eking out a miserable existence in suburban mass writing one of the shitty books a year. and working ass off on "social media".
Framedragger: "Complicating things is the fact that Danica is pregnant. Neither the serpiente nor the avians are crazy about the idea of a mixed-blood child taking the throne. A child of a cobra and another serpent is always a cobra, a child of a hawk and another avian is always a hawk." WELL BUT OBVIOUSLY
mircea_popescu: in other "repository of all human knowledge" news, i give you https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snakecharm
mircea_popescu: anyway, lest the wrong impression forms - we don't have a good understanding of who did what to whom and why. it's not even clear we enumerated the classes of deeds that phuctor dredged up.
mircea_popescu: i think it's more a case of "the last person who knew how any of this worked left a decade ago, we're just idea guys"
asciilifeform: the sks folk are dead set in favour of hosting random crapolade.
Framedragger: PeterL: gpg client should reject subkeys not signed by master key or somesuch, was the argument i think
Framedragger: these diddled keys.. they can just be re-uploaded to sks keyservers all the time, no? maybe keyservers should have a phuctor-like policy of rejecting shitty keys?
asciilifeform: recall, the shitgnomatic unified front against phuctor was exemplified by peter 'this ain't my key and go back to sleep' h anvin.
mircea_popescu: yeah the numerous instances of "hey listen, your key being diddled IS NOT ABOUT YOU! you'd never fucking know!" managed to get ignored something fierce huh.
PeterL: how do you know nobody used the keys?
asciilifeform: and especially the fact that diddled key can trivially end up used without the victim's awareness
asciilifeform: hannobockism took the very effective angle of 'nobody used the keyz' but really to keep chumps' attention on what it means to 'use' a key
mircea_popescu: yes, there's a hat. now, about that table it sits on...