mircea_popescu: and THEN you will be able to bake, correctly, pastry you never even learned HOW to bake
mircea_popescu: your pastries will suck. until they don't.
asciilifeform: ^ satisfied? or too many turds floating in the sea? or wut
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Framedragger: surely said girl engaged in some kind of feedback process with the environment, internalizing some model which fits reality; so not wholly contained?
mircea_popescu: no, it just floats around as a sea of ether
mircea_popescu: computers, unlike people, have the advantage that no subjective "reasons" to blind self to it (~= menstruation)
asciilifeform: where ? in the zygote ?
mircea_popescu: she fucking had it from the get-go. this is inescapable.
mircea_popescu: here's the problemn with this : at first, girl "just doesn'tr have" information on how to bake pastries. then she gets beaten (rarely), corrected (often, but in specific punctual detail) and made to work. then, magically, and i can't underscore this enough, MAGICALLY, she now HAS!!! the information.
asciilifeform: the whole point of programming is to drive home the idea that 'i need prime p, with p-1 and p+1 having large composites, and q.... ' etc to the box.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-23 14:26 mircea_popescu: now, it is real easy to grant that "machine can't resolve because irl it takes more neurons than there's atoms in the cpu". but this is a total cop-out, i can string together an infinity of computers, as bitcoin has shown.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-23#1488107 << it isn't about 'moar neurons', but simply that it requires info which the machine ~doesn't have~
mircea_popescu: otherwise, i can't imagine who'd ever have wanted men for any purpose.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman and the answer is obvious : something else dun menstruate.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger nah, related to the "alone in room"
diana_coman: I guess the thing is that if one abandons this ideal of always true, the question that arises immediately is why then not train actual people in the first place instead of building something else to..train like people
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: do you mean Dolly the cloned sheep? i've heard of it, but only just
diana_coman: the rule-based thing is an atrocity and prolog urgh
diana_coman: it's actually part of why I quickly became disenchanted with the whole AI school (well, all of them really): I don't get why the focus on *always right* when no living intelligence (which is supposedly the model in any case) is *always* right
mircea_popescu: Framedragger ever read about the famous sheep ?
mircea_popescu: similar, just, at least he has the math.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger i have yet to see him talk other than by himself in a room. were you hear for the discussion of brin the elder ?
mircea_popescu: if it's a fucking tool why the fuck are youtrying to build a 3mn loc item in it!
diana_coman: so that last part might be the trouble, true
mircea_popescu: diana_coman more importantly : they are tools, programmed as tools, expected to deliver untool likethings.
diana_coman: imo you are on to something else there; computers at the moment are tools, hence programmed like tools and this is not something one can solve at programming level (hey, let's start training computers now and they will learn!)
a111: Logged on 2016-06-22 04:02 mircea_popescu: yeah. but that doesn't change the fact the ~only intellectual in the entire north of the continent is that old jew talking to himself in a room.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger for the record, you found the http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-22#1486741 reference.
mircea_popescu: dude seriously everything's in the log.
Framedragger: (e.g. i agree with chomsky's "There is a notion of success ... which I think is novel in the history of science. It interprets success as approximating unanalyzed data." which does indeed suck.)
Framedragger: there was a post about statistical/ML approach vs. (one of) rule-based approach(es) just recently, i haven't read it yet, http://norvig.com/chomsky.html (inb4 ad hominem alf's norvig iz usg pawn :P )
mircea_popescu: and yes, the google "ai" rule based bs is giving a bad name to all this, but abstracting the usg.idiots for a second, before we throw out the bath
mircea_popescu: now, it is real easy to grant that "machine can't resolve because irl it takes more neurons than there's atoms in the cpu". but this is a total cop-out, i can string together an infinity of computers, as bitcoin has shown.
mircea_popescu: as in the joke with the romanian police and the bear, "give me this djinn for a week"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there is pretty rich literature of tales re djinn etc who carry out literal words to comical disaster.
mircea_popescu: which is the fucking point.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform I DO! ALL THE TIME!
mircea_popescu: (ftr, this school of "Slave should be tool - simple as possible" exists, and its product is outrageous and ridiculous by turns. they do think themselves "the real" bdsm people though, against the method-acting larger set (hint : if the word "scene" is mentioned - method actors))
Framedragger: ..prolly easier to wait for generic a.i. and then just have it mesh with brainz, heh.
asciilifeform: i expect mircea_popescu doesn't use gurlz as hammers either
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform my slavegirls aren't tools, they're people. why should my computers be tools ? i've only two hands.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless - that shit's written in c
asciilifeform: where we conclusively, imho, nailed the 'smart tools' idiocy
asciilifeform: other than by being UNAMBIGUOUSLY told.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not a thing the machine can ever resolve.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: 'prolog' is a thing. but seldom used for everyday programming because it removes the programmer's ability to reason about COST
mircea_popescu: as proven by the fact that the girls in question start acting like one even if not specifically trained to be one.
Framedragger: 1. all turtles are green. 2. bob is a turtle. 3. bob is red. => spit out contradiction / choice of rejecting one of these. if additional premises are made which connect to the former ones, then decide which to reject quantitatively, or something.
mircea_popescu: because the major trick here is - what i say isn't ACTUALLY ambiguous. it just requires very fine interpretation, which meshes well with a machine. in any case meshes well with the epistemic process that makes people engineers,
asciilifeform: because meaning of a program is not contained wholly in the program.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-23 14:13 mircea_popescu: it's shocking how little the school system does to teach anyone anything. but anyway - what the program MEANS should be decided on the basis of what it can't possibly fucking mean,
Framedragger: ..some kind of generic knowledge tree processing thing / semantic systems. someone must have made a small stab at this.. i mean there are natural language processing toolkits which build up context and work beyond straightforward syntax.. i don't know how well they are doing
mircea_popescu: which is why i'm saying, there's not much actionable here. but just because i dunno what to do with it doesn't mean i don't get drunk and dream.
mircea_popescu: and no, this isn't cheap "do what i mean"-ism. when i say "the flower is blue and round is the sky", the notion that the flower is ROUND is invalidated not by what I mean, but by what everything means.
Framedragger: the case with rsa keys - it would be very difficult to write it up / interpret it as per your idea though, i think? unless the case was explicitly declared before, and that would break the whole idea (negative meaning, not (only) positive/exhaustive meaning)
mircea_popescu: it's shocking how little the school system does to teach anyone anything. but anyway - what the program MEANS should be decided on the basis of what it can't possibly fucking mean,
Framedragger: this somehow reminded me of erlang's "don't be afraid to fail / fail fast" approach: for something to fail / cause exception is OK, always make sure there's something supervising and containing the failure etc. https://tkowal.wordpress.com/2015/10/20/failing-fast-and-slow-in-erlang-and-elixir/ (may not be a great writeup, but has l33t pic with triangle)
mircea_popescu: if a software project did as much importing as the average trilema article does, it'd be openssh.
mircea_popescu: which allows me to say intelligent things in such a way that pyramids many sayings deep can be effortlessly constructed, retain meaning and even nurture new meaning, and in general have all the attributes of art.
mircea_popescu: MOST of the power of trilema relies on exactly this, that I don't have to IFDEF and DECLARE and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ok, the "fucking hell who ever heard of a program that wants you to specify what you don't know" essay. i recall it, and imo it is very much substantial to my complaint.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: tackling godel's two theorems is another kind/level of undertaking, prolly...
mircea_popescu: diana_coman i can't stand his conventional bullshit. he dared criticise (young) caraqiale for "poor morals" in plays ? the schmuck borrowed on his income months in advance to dress up and bullshit like that. he has a massive vein of "never got over mom" that i loathe in writers.
diana_coman: that's how it came across at least then
mircea_popescu: apparently this was known by 2oyear olds in the 1800s. nuts.
mircea_popescu: you know, by the way, re my recent failed attempt to interact with the master, i found last week a notation from romania's genius poet EXPLAINIG THE SAME THING ?
Framedragger: (what's nice with these paraconsistent systems is that they may not crumble down when encountering some or other kind of logical paradox.) </weird-rant>
diana_coman: I don't quite follow your analogy there I think
mircea_popescu: from my brief stint in publishing, i wouldn't swear the expert editor is less a contributor in the average book than the average author.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman this is a dubious assertion, in the same vein we could say "ian murdock did the work, rest did gui" or w/e.
asciilifeform: and yes there is a transition-to-layers-of-slime point where the programmers give up on simplification and start piling up crud
mircea_popescu: diana_coman irl it worked as, to quote famous wilde tidbit, "i leave it to you to to fix the here's and there's".
Framedragger: (in paraconsistent systems, they try to "contain" cases when `p && ~p`. normally by principle of explosion you can prove anything (`1. p. 2. p || q [from 1, disjunctive addition.] 3. ~p [given.] 4. q [from 2. and 3.]`). these systems remove one or another inference rule (e.g. that p || q may follow from p, or double negation, or something else), or *suspend* it, in the fashion that some equations may have complex numbers as intermediary
diana_coman: add to that the fact that the equivalent would be not exactly trying to maintain the work, but rather trying to maintain some layers of slime built on top of the work
diana_coman: in same vein, a team is not able to maintain the body of work of respected past intellectual, sure
mircea_popescu: shinohai bet you he's gonna swallow the "nigger" thing without looking.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu> nothing actionable or useful that i can discern. just the simple observation that a) code the size of the body of work of respected past intellectuals is not maintainable by teams or individuals, while the writings were maintainable by the author solo ; b) the correct solution to scale is not increase in rigidity, but flexibility. which is how skyscrapers work or japan defends from earthquakes. <- fwiw the diffe
a111: Logged on 2016-06-23 09:44 deedbot: [Trilema] The life and times of one Phil Daian, aspiring nigger & apprentice cocksucker - http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform as an ideal output, i would like a debian distro that says "you can't possibly mean to make these keys out of 32k sets ?!"
mircea_popescu: (and in this sense, i view eg the debian key disaster thing as collapse, exactly like the tay bridge failure say)
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-23#1487950 << for a brief spell only? i think there now may exist some inference systems which work on floating point / probabilistic truth-values? weasel words, would need to check, but wouldn't have thought it to have been a "brief spell" only?
a111: Logged on 2016-06-23 13:20 asciilifeform: the 'fuzzy logic' thing was in style in '80s for a brief spell
mircea_popescu: so it seems to me that perhaps we could say "obviously" the more strictly defined a language gets, the more catastrophic the necessary collapse of its large scale systems.
mircea_popescu: nothing actionable or useful that i can discern. just the simple observation that a) code the size of the body of work of respected past intellectuals is not maintainable by teams or individuals, while the writings were maintainable by the author solo ; b) the correct solution to scale is not increase in rigidity, but flexibility. which is how skyscrapers work or japan defends from earthquakes.
asciilifeform: firmware ships with bamboozling, prayer, monkey grunts, 'i didnt fuck him', 'cheque is in the mail' language processor.
asciilifeform: ^ any of them
asciilifeform: recall the hypertalk thread?
mircea_popescu: in any case the historical argument is very dubious. people have nopt really been thinking ~in language~ before say kant.
mircea_popescu: but then... there's no such thing as "speech", and children of random parents can learn random unrelated language.
mircea_popescu: you could pursue your line, sure, "look, being genetically female is complex, which is why maledom is delta-encoded on one chromosome. speech is the same."
asciilifeform: hyoomans have been talking for considerably longer than they've been programming..
mircea_popescu: go the other way : why does it have to be a mechanism ? god knows people'v proven time and again they're perfectly happy with black boxen that do something vaguely related to what they expected 80% or so of the time.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-23 12:27 asciilifeform: proggy does not compress. head does not have the handy lossy compressor, as for human text.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-23#1487842 << in that sense. 1) we don't have the huffman table for it in our meat , unlike human text 2) well-designed program has very high entropy.
mircea_popescu: (and yes, i'm studiously not setting foot on the ground you suggest - because you'd vaporize my entire thing in five seconds. so let's sit over here where it's safe.)
mircea_popescu: but the basis here is indisputable : if trilema were equally sized code, i'd be dead trying to maintain it.
asciilifeform: the 'fuzzy logic' thing was in style in '80s for a brief spell
mircea_popescu: basically, instead of trying to achieve the moon-height skyscraper by investing in material rigidity, invest instead in a sort of... fault tolerance i guess you'd call it.
mircea_popescu: suppose the correct solution to the "large systems" problem isn't exactly to use "strong typed" languages and in general, more minutely define the elements involved. suppose the solution in fact is to give up on the (nonsensical, in theory, and unfound in nature) notion of "unambiguous notation".
asciilifeform: printolade by the bucket - sure.
mircea_popescu: the last dime it spends will be on a ransom.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform his NAME is. he himself, no. but just like us soldier isn't worth the crap he took that morning, but us soldier dog tag is worth ~1mn or so on the ransom market...
diana_coman: <mircea_popescu> damn i mean, diana_coman how many students can you fail. <- myeah, I know; thing is also: they shouldn't have gotten that high to fail basically, not that many
mircea_popescu: anyway, talk about "botnet market" bla bla : imagine if guy had where to use this, recoup closer to the 4fig.
thestringpuller: wow. maybe theymos has something with his r/bitcoin moderation: "Please, never ever turns Bitcoin into a democracy sh** thing. Be strong."
asciilifeform: because why the fuck not.
asciilifeform: ah lel that was in the logz
asciilifeform: submission is the single slowest piece.
mircea_popescu: re the submissions : we couldn't have had lots of submissions without a rsa key in it, seeing how this is ssh set neh ?
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i'm wrong all the fucking time, at least as far as i can see. i guess not usually on thosethings people'd much rather i were wrong on
asciilifeform: the otp thread?
mircea_popescu: Framedragger was not here for the famous xor thread i guess.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-23#1487823 << mr mold correctly identified academia as one of 3 pillars of 'the cathedral' (lizard enforcers) - the other 2 being the controlled press, and usg civil service proper
mircea_popescu: i wanted to fail the whole philosophy 101 class. mihu didn't think it such a good idea. short teaching career for me, thankfully.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-23 11:04 mircea_popescu: http://ctrl-d.ro/app/uploads/2016/06/e388bdd9-0bf0-4a26-ba03-02657f521b72.jpg << check out the golf club pattern! which mysteriously disappeared from all literature (ie, fiction writing) on the subject (as well as google, "scientific" paper search engines etc) after it was so humiliatingly debunked.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-23 12:32 hanbot: maybe we're talking of very different people, or whatever. but i've never seen or heard of anyone more effervescently challenging of other's illusions than mp.
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-23#1487858 << this i agree with! however, be it as it may i've never seen mp graciously accept to being wrong on some point. now, that *may* be because mp isn't wrong a whole lotta times, i contend, yes; but it's still hilarious to me (in a stimulating kind of way, fwiw). e.g. the chinese konspiraci thing, it was posted on qntra by mircea_popescu, and then later mircea_popescu says the theory is legit becau
a111: Logged on 2016-06-23 10:39 mircea_popescu: http://vertis.io/2013/12/06/unauthorised-litecoin-mining.html in other lulz.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-23 10:30 mircea_popescu: speaking of that, asciilifeform any idea how it's possible that Submissions: 3305302 Known Moduli: 2708380 Moduli Waiting for Test: 3677 ? shouldn't these add up ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-23#1487752 << prety sure this is in the logz: a 'submission' can have ANY number of moduli in it, because subkeys.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: it is now taught as official state of the art, believe it:
asciilifeform: diana_coman: we had a thread re programming as medieval medicine. it is in the logs...
diana_coman: not monkeys pressing levers until the light turns on or whatever
asciilifeform: hanbot: what can i say, he didn't buy the 'seekrit evidence' and now sees mircea_popescu as вредитель etc. and very tiresomely repetitive.
diana_coman: asciilifeform> other reason is that most programmers don't write code in the sense that, e.g., mircea_popescu writes essays. instead, they take a shit, and strip away elements of the shit until the compiler is happy and the 'tests' pass. <- fwiw I don't think that those are programmers
hanbot: maybe we're talking of very different people, or whatever. but i've never seen or heard of anyone more effervescently challenging of other's illusions than mp.
asciilifeform: and the still-tuned-in #t folk, to lesser extent
hanbot: for that matter Framedragger i start on that dpaste out of curiosity, run into "Getting out of the way: The most basic level is based on avoidingchallenging others delusions, and factoring them into your own thinking. The organizing merely involves arranging matters so things and people you care about are moved out of the way of an impending train wreck."
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: he's working the stay-behind folks.
mircea_popescu: lol. why's he keep lying anyway ? it didn't work the previous n times, gonna work next ?
hanbot: "ftr when he joined this place, it was purely about business and so was he. later he was wrapping business in propaganda, which is tolerable, as the core is solid. now he is wrapping propaganda in business wrap, at which point it becomes intolerable for any reasonable mind." << i don't, for example, seem to remember the same thing. at all.
hanbot: i find the hypocrisy outrageous. so i guess i care.
asciilifeform: rather than as any kind of rational creation.
asciilifeform: other reason is that most programmers don't write code in the sense that, e.g., mircea_popescu writes essays. instead, they take a shit, and strip away elements of the shit until the compiler is happy and the 'tests' pass.
asciilifeform: proggy does not compress. head does not have the handy lossy compressor, as for human text.
mircea_popescu: anyway, for argentine as well as any derps who have nfi what "night life" means : follow along the fucking pictures http://www.clujlife.com with the knowledge that a) the nudes aren't published, by convention, but girls go naked all the time ; b) it's a tiny fucking town, half a mil population if the school's in session.
mircea_popescu: Climategate, another thing that "didn't happen".
mircea_popescu: no charges were pressed, of course, because silk road is totally where crime happens, rather than the back offices of each and every single ivy league "college" / real estate scam
Framedragger: yeahyeah the whole weather modelling in the future based on specific chosen parameters and models is hilarious, and gets regurgitated by media etc, i too have general aversion to this; does not mean that all of it is useless but hell if they don't show how they got there then that's even more ridiculous
mircea_popescu: (that were trying to take over the public spending in this field)
mircea_popescu: a) a model that you could put anything in, such as the weighs or the ages of your past girflriends, to take out the same exact pattern
mircea_popescu: what they had done was, take ~50 years of atmospheric data, "reconstruct" on its basis about 100k years of imaginary history, then show on the basis of this projection rebranded as "data" that TEMPERATURES ARE RAISING!!11\
mircea_popescu: back in 2010ish, some derps from us academia came with "proof" of the (at the time still called) global warming nonsense, in the shape of a much-loved-bymedia "golf cross pattern".
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: heh can't find much on the internets for "golf club pattern" indeed, but also don't get its initial idea/appeal? O.O
a111: Logged on 2015-06-08 15:46 jurov: they have api limit 6000/hour
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-06-08#1157231 << i haven't checked but apparently https://github.com/torvalds.keys is available? not sure if helpful at this point, if already scraped etc, and maybe this posses other problems (user enumeration, additional rate-limiting etc)
mircea_popescu: seriously though, one of the best meta-patterns. "this is how stupid people think things go." sort-of like the matchbox sign in clinical psychopathology : once you see the guy bringing you little boxes you know he's got Morgellons ; once he whips out the golf club patterns you know he's got stupid.
mircea_popescu: http://ctrl-d.ro/app/uploads/2016/06/e388bdd9-0bf0-4a26-ba03-02657f521b72.jpg << check out the golf club pattern! which mysteriously disappeared from all literature (ie, fiction writing) on the subject (as well as google, "scientific" paper search engines etc) after it was so humiliatingly debunked.
mircea_popescu: the notion that "navajo culture" is ridiculous on its face. it's entirely built on equivocation between the term of art (EVERYTHING noetic is "a culture" in say anthropology) and the common term (no, the united states does not have a culture ; even if it has a civilisation. let alone fucking navajo - never had one, never could have had one.)
Framedragger: article literally starts with quote "Two-Spirit people balance society, the world, and the cosmos."
mircea_popescu: navajo feminist gender activism ? what the everloving.
Framedragger doesnt like pdfs either, ok
Framedragger: ""My own work differentiates the mere intersection of Native and queer representations from a two-spirit gaze by noting a two-spirit gaze’s greater focus on traditionalist, nationalist, and activist representations of community-identified two-spirit images.7 Given a critical mass in two-spirit Navajo film and the strength of Navajo cultural, feminist, and gender activism, this article foregrounds Navajo LGBTQ2 gazes on two-spirit Navaj
Framedragger: the navajo gaze seems to originate at least in part from an article called something like the navajo spirit gaze
mircea_popescu: incredible how much empty noise three people can make, especially should they be the sort of people who couldn't ever find a job, once liberated from the need to look for one.
mircea_popescu: oh, wait, there's also LGBTTTQQUAA! i kid you not!
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, they added another coupla letters to "lgbt" ? i wonder how long before it smashes the stack.
mircea_popescu: romanian "nazi" press is having all the conceivable lolz because "the boss of the faggot jews" (ie, LGBTQ mission to Israel) is one Kurlander. (cur = ass in romanian, the poor guy's name sounds exactly on the money)
Framedragger: ..soo, this generates ssh keys based on the broken debian prng: https://github.com/g0tmi1k/debian-ssh - github keyset has been matched against these - wonder about them host keys....
Framedragger: i just wanted to quote this exact sentence lol - yeah another fruity area
Framedragger: ahh i didn't look there
mircea_popescu: Framedragger look at his data. 97.7% rsa, ~3% dss (!), ~0% other
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: if you mean "nobody smart", then that's one thing, but if you mean in terms of actual numbers, then i'd probably have to disagree. shitloads of ecdsa ssh host public keys anyway (stats and breakdown to be published at some point in teh future)
mircea_popescu: lol compromised in the attack : spotify, python core and crypto libs, django and ruby.
mircea_popescu: in other news, nobody uses ecdsa. considering what they spent trying to get people on it... such success.
Framedragger: "After realising I have a public key database of most users on GitHub, I remembered back to the May 2008 Debian OpenSSH bug, where the randomness source was compromised to the point where the system could only generate one of 32k keys in a set. I used g0tmi1k’s set of keys to compare against what I had in my database, and found a very large amount of users who are still using vulnerable keys, and even worse, have commit access to some
mircea_popescu: speaking of that, asciilifeform any idea how it's possible that Submissions: 3305302 Known Moduli: 2708380 Moduli Waiting for Test: 3677 ? shouldn't these add up ?
Framedragger: this also means that potentially a large amount of vulnerable/shit keys have been removed from github since then
BingoBoingo: Tis the redditard way
mircea_popescu: holy shit the brainrot.
mircea_popescu: lol. and even better - he wanted to buy it, to show how easy it is. then it wasn't easy. but instead of publishing a piece about how "i thought it was easy - turns out it's not", he has a ...
BingoBoingo: Apparently they couldn't agree on which reserved words take precedence in the order of operations
mircea_popescu: i suppose that's how the whole soypizdi thing should go, too. "no ty, you're a dude" "I AM NOT A DUDE I AM A STUDENT!!!"
mircea_popescu: but yeah, this is a pretty good model. "natural language is just like a computer language that had no // or quotations." "so how do i know magic strings, and comments, from code ?" "your mother."
mircea_popescu: just because the comment-out is communicated in-band rather than explicitly given as // or whatever doesn't mean it's strongly typed.
BingoBoingo: Because you can quarentine nonsense as isolated strings and lol about them. If you can't do that they'd eventually start making you stupid.
mircea_popescu: how are they strongly typed ?
mircea_popescu: so basically you're saying natural language works because interpretable rather than compiled ?
BingoBoingo: Like any other string that doesn't parse to meaningful code.
BingoBoingo: alf failed to pars the "just want to" and made a point of the statement not parsing. It's not made for parsing though because jwz just wants to. Nothing wrong with tossing around the "just wants to" as a string like any other though.
BingoBoingo: alf tried to parse the jwz "just want to" as an instruction whereas you treated it as a antifact of the broken jwz
BingoBoingo: Like how alf fails to parse the jwz "just want to"
BingoBoingo: Seriouly defect has to limit what they can hold
BingoBoingo: But you forgive their eggog rate
BingoBoingo: But yeah the challenge is how to do editor's pics
BingoBoingo: Anyways this is why people wanting to blog need to do it frequently beyond the reasons mp lays out here http://trilema.com/blogging-is-a-muscle-and-other-observations
mircea_popescu: maybe articles like that should include an "editor's pick" and then once a year we could total how well qntra did.
deedbot: [Trilema] The life and times of one Phil Daian, aspiring nigger & apprentice cocksucker - http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/
gribble: Bitfinex | This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would sell 294609.46 bitcoins for a total of 6705440.3944 USD and take the price to 0. | Data vintage: 0.0047 seconds
BingoBoingo: In other news of Argentina singer songwriters now become "popstars" here at the age Madonna got old https://archive.is/uZ5Hq
BingoBoingo: Anyways, what else can be expected when Italians make a United States further south
mircea_popescu: nor do they need to. there's yet to be invented some manner of keeping the dickless from being totally handpuppetted out.
mircea_popescu: and for anyone who deludes himself into fucking thinking that "women voting" and "divorce" is "what made '''america''' ungreat again", seriously, come to fucking argentina. they're just as dickless as you are and women here don't get to divorce anyone.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, widows then.
BingoBoingo: Ok, that's some serious delusion. Everyone knows Branson is the jewel of the Ozarks not R-kansas
mircea_popescu: seriously, when you're trying to represent argentina, think of a 1950s awkansaw that never heard of new york and seriously thinks itself "the jewel of the ozarks" or some such shit. in all seriousness, no self-deprecatory humour intended OR EVEN CONCEIVABLE.
mircea_popescu: sure they do.
BingoBoingo: What, do they not have home improvement stores in Argentina?
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BingoBoingo: $google they really are buttcoins nao
mircea_popescu: i have like a feeling that if i offered them to wear a cock cage and watch quietly while i fuck the girls, more than half would gladly accept.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo here's a hint at the greatness and grandeur of being a young male in a fucked up society : 90%+ of soypizdi correspondents are... male.
mircea_popescu: i'm on the tail end of an orgy.
BingoBoingo: He's just back from enjoying the vibrant local nightlife
felipelalli: the same as Ripple
felipelalli: and a "premined" coin (dev coins) is easy to inflate the final marketcap: I just create 1`000`000`000`000`000`000 coins and sell to my mum at $ 0.01
mircea_popescu: with any luck someone actually sends actual bitcoin to either "buy" the stuff to "mommentum trade" or else you know "short it". either way it's a win - your 0 value scamcoin attracted some actual money!
mircea_popescu: soon enough you're sitting on an account that is still worth the 0 it was worth to begin with, except that has also bought 10x to 100x of the same scamtokens. so... "they are buying" ? yeah, sure. and paying with what ?
mircea_popescu: think for a moment how a shitshow like poloniex works. you make 1mn scamtokens out of thin air. you send them to a "margined" "exchange" website. you use the "margin" 1mn scamtokens provide to... buy 1mn more! now you have enough "marginable assets" ie scamtokens to... buy 1mn more! and if the price goes up... 1mn more!
felipelalli: ethereum community
mircea_popescu: who "they" ?
felipelalli: mircea_popescu: why they are so distance from the reality? They continue to buy this shit.
felipelalli: and the very-first millionarie contract (14% of Ether, lol) should be much more simpler.
felipelalli: Ethereum looks like a mess made in a hurry to me.
felipelalli: fun fact 2: in the "human readable contract" they wrote: "nothing said outside the code is valid in case of dispute. The code is the final word." lol
BingoBoingo: They are stuck between a rock and a moving rock
felipelalli: fun fact: *no one* really knew what was wrote in that "smart contract". No fucking single person, even who wrote that. They just put the money in a tied "kind-of-immutable" contract that they simply couldn't read.
felipelalli: That fork makes no sense at all. What shit they have in mind?
BingoBoingo: Because Buttcoin enjoys Qntra and there's a girl there with a serious ladyboner for everything MP
BingoBoingo: https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/4pflsd/sorry_for_your_harmony_an_ethereum_bagchain/ << I know you have a reddit account, have fun!
felipelalli: Really, if I had my life invested on it and I were the 1.77% "NO", I would make a campaign to "the resistence" and ask to users change the PoW algo due to defend from this clear mining attack.
deedbot: [Qntra] Forking Question Of The Day - http://qntra.net/2016/06/forking-question-of-the-day/
BingoBoingo: bagchain, because paper bag is used in Ether huffing
BingoBoingo: felipelalli: You'll love the latest Qntra http://qntra.net/2016/06/forking-question-of-the-day/
felipelalli: Ah! Democracy. Thank you to shot the head of this zombie.