a111: Logged on 2016-06-30 20:29 asciilifeform: the beauty is that you can impose hard limits on the evaluating environments for these 'programs', them being non-turingcomplete, and thus you can make mechanical hard pronouncements re their properties.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-30 20:08 asciilifeform: (svg is a braindamaged monkey implementation of some of the above principles.)
mircea_popescu: the problem may also start where keyboards have to have shit printed on them through a legacy process.
asciilifeform: but, granted, it is VERY difficult to digest for folks still viewing the ~possible~ through the shit-glasses of the ~extant~.
asciilifeform: the beauty is that you can impose hard limits on the evaluating environments for these 'programs', them being non-turingcomplete, and thus you can make mechanical hard pronouncements re their properties.
asciilifeform: (the correct way to include the decompressor is via v linkage. that is to say, a signed hash thereof, i.e. an index into a wotronic cryptographic global namespace.)
asciilifeform: .. consisting of a multitude of Ts and Vs - or fewer, if you include a decompressor of one kind or another
asciilifeform: (for stereo, quadrangular, etc. recordings - you simply need 2+ of these!)
asciilifeform: the SANE way to transport audio is ALSO as a compactified lisp proggy, which takes time T and returns a rational multiplicand for the maximum DAC voltage to be present at that time !
asciilifeform: i will give another example!
asciilifeform: per the above scheme, 'glyph' is no longer a 'special' animal. 'mona lisa' can be a glyph, and so can a mandelbrot zoom generated for one particular occasion.
asciilifeform: it is important to realize the full implications.
asciilifeform: the only, afaik, currently extant one
asciilifeform: (svg is a braindamaged monkey implementation of some of the above principles.)
asciilifeform: you thereby get composability.
asciilifeform: trinque: but with NO special categories. ALL graphical objects on the machine must obey said formulation.
asciilifeform: in all cases the correct solution is liquid boot that the soldiers dip feet in. whenever technologically plausible!
asciilifeform: the beauty is that affine transforms , you get for free.
asciilifeform: and there are not so many of these, and necessary language is a quite limited subset of henderson's lisp
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-30#1493750 << except that not! consider the quoted bit in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=309
mircea_popescu: the knowledge that your work shall be forever useful is not even in the same ballpark with the knowledge you can now buy six more lattes.
mircea_popescu: fact is, when as much as a vague hint of the flavour of the possibility of a stable base is presented, people go nuts working hands to bone to build it up
a111: Logged on 2016-06-30 19:29 phf: folks avoiding the serious problems because they are fat fucks with feelings, not because they correctly intuit :p
a111: Logged on 2016-06-29 19:44 phf: the fact that you run shell scripts on your data basically disqualifies you from participating in management. you're supposed to leverage, that shell script is $500k initial investment ruby on rails project
a111: Logged on 2016-06-30 19:23 phf: then you make sure that default fonts and geometries make sense
a111: Logged on 2016-06-29 15:48 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform empty and full of rubble does wonders to keep hopes down (and hope, expectation of future, TRULY is the mind eater for usians. be hopeless, you win.) and officious intermeddlers at a distance sufficient to breed actual people with some frequency.
asciilifeform: if anything, it is an act of evil, forestalls the inevitable field of rubble and gives false hope
asciilifeform: there is 0 point to cleaning a barrel that is being shat into faster than anyone could possibly hope to clean it.
asciilifeform: to suggest that a thinking man spend his life this way, is quite like 'why dontcha close the embrasure of this pillbox with your body'
phf: show me these serious folks
asciilifeform: not speaking of the vermin here.
phf: folks avoiding the serious problems because they are fat fucks with feelings, not because they correctly intuit :p
phf: search and sort and the rest take :key
asciilifeform: i.e., that their blood will go to waste.
asciilifeform: phf: serious folks are avoiding the serious problems because they CORRECTLY intuit that there is not a stable foundation on which to solve them.
asciilifeform: (and if they dun have cyrillic, greek, etc. glyphs - no game.)
asciilifeform: as soon as somebody supplies these - game.
asciilifeform: the other thing is that we are unfortunately stuck with something like ttf, because displays DO vary in density
phf: then you make sure that default fonts and geometries make sense
asciilifeform: motherfuckers.
phf: i think that clim would benefit from removing all decorations and rolling it back to genera style thin and thick lines to at the very least get the baseline speed in place
gabriel_laddel: ftr, if you have funtoo / gentoo questions, angry_vincent on #funtoo is quite well versed in the idioms.
asciilifeform: phf: it is important to determine what subset of the problem is even worth solving.
asciilifeform: likewise certain www sites i can't even load normally because they turn to soup given my screen geometry (i use strictly tall vertical displays)
phf: there's literally not a single system that solved this problem satisfyingly
asciilifeform: for instance, on mac, anything that doesn't DIRECTLY use the native api WILL look like shit
asciilifeform: phf: there are fundamental problems, of playing well with platform's foundational ui
phf: that sounds like TK problem. like out of the box tk is dog ugly and unpleasant to use, but you can get a designer (an actual one, not like "designer") play with geometries, color and fonts to make it look quite good. i think athena would've benefited from somebody who's not an autist looking at it
asciilifeform: it is about how if i am cooking in a kitchen, there should be NO human shit in the sink
phf: i'm pretty sure athena in mcclim is not even real athena, but rather a simulation, because that was gui state of the art when mcclim started
asciilifeform loathes few gui proggies more than clim
phf: and clozure for their experimental product, which i'm not sure if that ended up getting delivered. that was like a separate ticketing system for some canadian airline
asciilifeform: ~nobody wants to pay the runtime royalties.
phf: ita used sbcl for their main product
phf: yeah, i'm surprised they weren't involved in, say, ITA
gabriel_laddel: I met the franz doods irl once. Cannot understand *why* they do what they do at all.
asciilifeform: phf: i dun recall anything franz released ever working properly with anything other than allegro
mircea_popescu: altogether the attempt to make a "web browser" work seems educational (read : selffuckstick) than anything. we don't even want tcp to survive, let alone html, css or js.
phf: gabriel_laddel: have you looked at closure (the web browser), have you tried bringing it up to date, etc?
asciilifeform: ideally it would be over a crossover Gb ethernet cable.
asciilifeform: (they imho had very much the right idea re separation of churc^H^H^H^H^Hcpu and sta^H^H^Hconsole
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: consider a headless x, where you have to connect from outside the box
gabriel_laddel: gentoo with CLIM as the default graphics library, conkeror (emacs style browser) and a bunch of math goodies more or less
asciilifeform: (a potentially useful thing, but quite certainly not the demolition spoken of earlier)
asciilifeform: which is: that the whole shebang must burn.
asciilifeform: eventually gabriel_laddel will see the light.
gabriel_laddel: Even unpacking and then repackaging it causes this - so must be that I have two versions of cpio installed or some nonsense..
gabriel_laddel: I can unpack the thing, inspect & modify the tree, but when repacking it and writing it to the USB == kernel panic
gabriel_laddel: I looked into it previously, and it seemed that simply modifying the working initramfs I have now would be much faster - but no such luck yet.
asciilifeform: (they produce working initramfs, with bitcoin in it)
asciilifeform: how goes the lispificated gentoo gabriel_laddel ?
yangwao: and I might found another in JOSE, in X25519.. but looks its still in rfc draft thing
yangwao: NaCl is ok (hope), I think, there just problems in libsodium, ehm this one https://github.com/jedisct1/libsodium
shinohai: Also in the run moar SSL department: https://www.computest.nl/blog/startencrypt-considered-harmful-today/
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/it/e/e4/Mondine-Pontogliesi-e-meridionali-anni-50.jpg << realist picture (the other one's idealist, in that it's silvia mangano.
mircea_popescu: women only, day farm labourers, doing ~nothing in the muds of rice paddies.
mircea_popescu: basically, every culture has a "women on sale" marketplace. the egyptians stick them in shops, if you got money to buy goods maybe you got money for an extra cowsy ? the italians of the pre-roosevelt era stuck them in this bizarre field job.
asciilifeform: so gossipd is posed to be the first live-fire open air rape of this usg directorate.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-30 16:45 ben_vulpes: in other OTHER OTHER news, i upgraded this laptop to 10.11 and now the second mini hdmi port doesn't work
mircea_popescu: "argentina has a night life", "romantic comedies", whatever the fuck, all of it belongs on imgur.
phf: ben_vulpes: you knew what you were doing and you suffered the consequences
ben_vulpes: the
ben_vulpes: in other OTHER OTHER news, i upgraded this laptop to 10.11 and now the second mini hdmi port doesn't work
mircea_popescu: $google "these bitches are disrespectin' an' that ain't right!"
ben_vulpes: miserable puns are made better with excessive setup. 'better' in the sense that your audience suffers more.
mircea_popescu: you know, i'm mildly surprised webcam companies haven't built the arcade scroller irl yet. you could have this special obstacle course built, have the camhos try and complete it, people could pay to watch, bet on whether they manage or not...
mod6: just putting that out there
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: 'what three know, the pig knows'
asciilifeform: in other nyooz, zoolag has been blackholed for almost a day.
asciilifeform: would be the logical time, anyway
asciilifeform: i thought it was supposed to coincide with the halfocalypse
mircea_popescu: anyway. summer of forks proceeding without much gas, one confused byzantine general moving chaotically around the field.
mircea_popescu: "it's not clear how bitcoin will react ?" fuck you. a) there's nothing to react to ; b) it's fucking clear how people react to nothing.
mircea_popescu: everything is twisted around. "ecosystem" ? ie, what, five derps with 200 socks each ? that's the ecosystem ?
asciilifeform: 'i didn't shoot him in the head to kill, just gave his brains CHOICE OF WHERE TO GO!111'
mircea_popescu: check that out, it's golden : "It is not clear how developers will now react. To not give the ecosystem choice opens Bitcoin Core developers to criticism of centralized power where developers decide even political matters of increased capacity, increasing the risk of legal liability and threatening an open war with miners which, having the full support of almost all prominent bitcoin businesses, are likely to come out much st
shinohai: "The above is unverified." meaning "Just a buncha r/btc derps spreading gossip"
mircea_popescu: and in the rare cases when they re-read, they re-read like they re-stroke the penis. to recognize, not to understand.
mircea_popescu: they write like their disciples code, which is to say, breathless, first pass, never read.
mircea_popescu: but they didn't then bother to go back, and check the terms, and check the relations, and cross-examine their production.
mircea_popescu: it's like a cow mewing or like a kitten braying, you can readily see going through their productions that they... felt, something, there.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-30 15:32 trinque: there are so many false political assumptions embedded in them it's hard to pick a starting place
mircea_popescu: phf for the record, a large part of the problem (seen in http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-30#1493382 say) is the very unreflexive manner of these derps writing.
mircea_popescu: and in other news, a rather accurate reproduction of historical copulation in hominids. http://67.media.tumblr.com/87baf88f11a9f99fd40aea78edce8729/tumblr_nyz5x4NpNl1u82s86o1_400.gif
asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2014/the-all-american-asshole-in-his-own-words-with-my-own-notes/#selection-3735.0-3747.1
asciilifeform: sorta like the indian in mircea_popescu' skyscraper essay
mircea_popescu: basically, the american indian mentality.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-30#1493483 << this is true. the thief who is terribly terribly sorry he got caught and not even a bit aware he was stealing.
asciilifeform: 'kinetics proposes, thermodynamics disposes' (tm) (r) (uncle al)
mircea_popescu: (when pursuing evidence, there's two kinds : indicative and dispositive. the latter is the sort that ends the inquiry ; the former is the sort that points to the way towards the latter.)
asciilifeform: perhaps better analogy here is the astronomical epicycle.
mircea_popescu: sure, may have all sorts of other relevancies ; but not dispositive or even indicative re the theory of everything, or computing for that matter.
asciilifeform: i disagree - they are excellent examples - along with, e.g., mr mold - of failed autoappendectomies
mircea_popescu: yes, indisputably a mole happens on the skin ; yes indisputably aunt molly's mole did in fact occur. nevertheless, irrelevant anecdote of no further import.
a111: Logged on 2014-10-21 01:30 asciilifeform: 'As progressively dumber programmers build progressively more complex systems we will see more of this kind of attempt to paper over coding mistakes with lawyers, sanctions, policies, and laws. Hollywood and the RIAA are usually the most successful at getting the government to do their bidding. Thus I predict that one day Disney will have a Web site where you can buy access to any of their movies. Because
mircea_popescu: the gall of these shitheads. how DARE THEY use fucking words other than "fdsjkhgwreifgiwiotghfegbvhwerg" to denote their vomit.
mircea_popescu: goes so neatly with "the dao".
mircea_popescu: Times have changed, women are now worthless, but computers aren't, and these same dead hand fictions propose anew : that they own all computers, that if you own a computer it's only a sublease from them, subject to furthering their regulations and so on and so forth. Specifically excluded from all this - what the code actually says and does. Particularly "criminal" - using a computer in the manner it itself allows to be used."
mircea_popescu: nce of the regulation they emitted as to how women may be used and may not be used and so on and so forth. Specifically excluded from all this - the woman in question. Particularly "criminal" at the time - using a woman in the manner she herself wishes to be used.
mircea_popescu: the book sez : "A parallel with human sexuality is not unwarranted here. At a past time when the ownership of female humans was the principal method to control capital formation and the political process, the same sort of dead hand fictions proposed that they in fact control the usage of women, that anyone owning a woman does so only as a sublicense from their sovereign ownership of all women, and may proceed only in furthera
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i can't find the one with "buy computing" like old dudes/church wanted to "buy women". darn.
mircea_popescu: wasn't my intention to discuss the former, really.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, there's a difference between secrecy AS A STATE and code sharing AS A PROCESS.
mircea_popescu: so in general, i expect the notion of "code secrecy" to be as nonsensical today as when stallman was a wee tyke getting started on other people's emacs.
trinque: it's a personal matter which would be evaluated in the context of our friendship
mircea_popescu: what specific measures should he take in his relations with his gf, other than the current precautions so wife doesn't find out, to satisfy your needs ?
trinque: these are broad socialist orgs
mircea_popescu: it's why nsa fails so badly. all their budget goes to filling the barn, ~none to guarding the barn.
trinque: but I don't want to sign onto a talmudic interpretation of WoT-o-tronics, either generally or in this instance
asciilifeform: trinque: and that it is not a reasonable thing to ask others to do without a good reason
mircea_popescu: ftr that was the original, and working, shareware paradigm.
trinque: and then people can check the logs; maybe we signed a contract, maybe we just talked about it
trinque: phf: I see software being "shared" in such a personal way that you should expect me to ask you directly whether I can give to my L1, whether I can post sauce on www, so on
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i dealt with them for a living.
asciilifeform: the way i see it, withholding source for a safety-critical mechanism like bitcoin client is a hostile act - unambiguously poisonous offering.
phf: trinque: nah, not ~entire~ wot and not forever. but let's say i give you code under wotgpl, it means that the code has certain propagation properties within wot, and i don't have to negrate you if you abide by a certain set of pre-discussed rules
mircea_popescu: (yes, we use constructive intent all the time, such as for instance in discussions of usg - the sort of thing where they end up responsible both ways.)
asciilifeform: there sure as fuck is inferrable intent.
asciilifeform: rather than mechanical identity.
mircea_popescu: there is no intent.
mircea_popescu: you load crapolade websites all the time ; and pdf meets your attack criteria.
asciilifeform: quite often i ~will~ do the measurements. by hand.
mircea_popescu: unless you go out and do the measurements yourself. by hand ?
mircea_popescu: besides the point. it's a random byte field you didn't make, and can't verify.
asciilifeform: and specifically to maximally fuck the author.
asciilifeform: i run other folks' binaries solely for purpose of reversing and exploitation.
mircea_popescu: trinque hence the text comment above
trinque: neither software nor more generally communication operates on a flat topology; stallman's trying to cram communication into that flatland
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform except i don't see anyone has an implicit freedom allowing him to review other people's notes.
asciilifeform: which falls right back into the 'sane computing' list.
asciilifeform: the only 'stallman law' that remains after you strip away ALL of the usgological 'rights' claptral is no 1
mircea_popescu: phf i don't think stallman, for all his posturing, was muich in the philosophy department. seriously, ima have a special right to use code ? tell you what - have the inalienable freedom to use weapons, in any manner i deem fit, such as against the us president, and to use the penis, and plates of pasta, and napkin scribblings and anything else.
asciilifeform: and for some reason i thought that the above was also the one where mircea_popescu had the bit re 'usg tries to claim the ability to delegate the right to use software, as the church claimed the right to delegate use of woman'
asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2016/the-v-manual-genesis << found it.
asciilifeform: does anyone have the link ?
asciilifeform: there was an entire mircea_popescu piece on subj
a111: Logged on 2015-01-30 05:51 mircea_popescu: which is why i am not ever giving it up. the freedom to threaten is not merely my fundamental, unassailable sovereign property, but moreover essential for the construction of effectual instruments to squash the socialists and their golums.
mircea_popescu: take 0 : "agent has agency". i'm not willing to reduce that to this, not just because http://btcbase.org/log/2015-01-30#998185 but in general, as a matter of sovereignity. if your ethereum works in this way, there's no "criminal thief" blabla.
trinque: there are so many false political assumptions embedded in them it's hard to pick a starting place
phf: - The freedom to distribute copies of your modified versions to others (freedom 3). By doing this you can give the whole community a chance to benefit from your changes. Access to the source code is a precondition for this.
phf: - The freedom to redistribute copies so you can help your neighbor (freedom 2).
phf: - The freedom to study how the program works, and change it so it does your computing as you wish (freedom 1). Access to the source code is a precondition for this.
mircea_popescu: the cheapest forinstance : it's not even proper to speak of "code" rather than text until and unless you've introduced a specific difference. which is a harder problem than it appears. "obviously" is not an answer.
mircea_popescu: 1. "this is the difference between" ; 2. "the fnargl is larger than a butter" ; 3. "any elements larger than the elements smaller than themselves are smaller than the larger elements of some other set."
trinque: it'd benefit me because you might improve the thing
trinque: phf: my point above is that, if you asked me for sauce I'd provide it for reasons entirely other than philosophy
mircea_popescu: phf i'm game for a full analysis of them if you care to state any. the problem broadly is that they're nonsense as-found.
mircea_popescu: https://gfycat.com/SpiritedOpenBackswimmer << never before seen footage of slock.it & ethereum development, vetting, auditing and marketing process.
asciilifeform: phf: i find myself agreeing with naggum - gpl was a weapon against microshit, and makes very little sense in any other context
phf: wouldn't this sort of statements of philosophical position (i don't know a better term) still be effective among the aristoi? there's that idea that u.s. constitution was written for the privileged classes, and that you had to a) be able to write b) own a pen c) own a piece of paper to participate in voting process. or would gpl still be a bad idea if was restricted to in-wot?
asciilifeform: sure did. the students fell asleep in class tho.
asciilifeform: it is a pesilence, and has less redeeming value than the aids virus.
mircea_popescu: and yes, understanding === being fucked ; the process is called "education" because "fucking" is too harsh apparently.
trinque: ^ what determines whether I provide source
mircea_popescu: there's no freedom to understand anymore than there's a freedom to decide who fucks you.
mircea_popescu: what's this, meta-communism ? "not these people are equal, but some ideal people somewhere else" ?
mircea_popescu: your cat now has the right to understand differential calculus. proceed.
asciilifeform: because the entire conceptual framework is defective.
mircea_popescu: i don't see value in this. what, there's a universal right to understand ?
asciilifeform: trinque: i was speaking of the missing 'freedom' from stallman's 'freedoms list' - '... to UNDERSTAND'
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-30#1493286 << the "to whom" here is the missing and essential item.
asciilifeform: https://bits-please.blogspot.com/2016/06/extracting-qualcomms-keymaster-keys.html << how to extract the usg master key in shitdroid
phf: and the attitude went from "docs??" to "ha ha i guess reading documentation pays off ha ha" to "let me check the docs"
asciilifeform: so this is how we learn that mircea_popescu had a horse. but then went to beat it into ferrari, still working
phf: at least i no longer think that i should just send him to the farm
mircea_popescu: phf it's aligned alright. which is how linus now has a "psychopatic sexual behaviours", as per http://qntra.net/2016/06/how-the-tor-project-pays-and-pays-cia-agents-from-their-usg-navy-coffers/#comment-62663
phf: to some extent it's aligned with v model, the only thing that matters is the text of patch, you read it, and decide on whether you want to sign it or not
asciilifeform: phf: this works until accepting non-shit begins to resemble the process of extracting uranium from sea water
phf: well, linus gave us a pretty good solution. sit on pull requests, and abuse people when they submit shit
thestringpuller: phf: ah. stackoverflow development. That's a good phrase. devs tend to be lazy, so when something breaks and stackoverflow has a solution they put they put a bandaid over wounds that require stitches and eventually someone sane has to sit down and deturdify the mess.
asciilifeform: i posted all the interesting parts anyway
mircea_popescu: basically, these concerns previously glued together in o'reilly brand duct tape just came apart, and will have to be re-negotiated socially.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in any case, while the value of "bright young fellow wants to learn boyer-moore through checking out phf's code" is there ; i'm not about to push you to publish phuctor code for some vague fetishist love of foss. which i don't have.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: the original gutting process was probably painful.
phf: thestringpuller: and requires extensive training to undo, for example i make sure all my devs have copies of the documentation for relevant code on their machines, and direct their attention to it whenever i can. you'd be surprised™ how many people don't even know where the docs for their framework etc. are
asciilifeform: but distinguishing 'if you want me to run this on my iron, let's have the source' from 'open sores movement'
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller eulora build process is actually quite painless, and has ~nothing in common with trying to build planeshift, other than some dependencies.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 1) nobody of the "background and experience in management experience spawns many years" derps running ethereum built from source, or COULD build from source. i've seen enough of those lolz in eulora to have a pretty close idea ; 2. nobody's asking you to run trinque's shit on your box, so there's a difference here. but 1 and 2 aside, absofuckinglutely wtf. this isn't about tivoization of code.
a111: Logged on 2015-12-21 05:15 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349033 << 'programmers get off on complexity the way weight lifters get off on weight'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think on the lowest level complexity actually has a positive perceived value. "check out all the complex shit i <<handle>>". much like kids in the same age bracket / cultural space in africa laud themselves with their voodoo accomplishments.
phf: thestringpuller: that's called stackoverflow development, and it's ~the~ way development is done now
asciilifeform: esp. if you include the 10,001km of library entrails.
mircea_popescu: what happens when you put "anyone" in your soup is you get a soup only "anyone" would ever eat, after the fashion he eats it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the error of os is that it predicates upon "anyone".
thestringpuller: the value of open source is actually negative << it didn't start off that way... the early 90's were an okay time...
mircea_popescu: basically they've poured 100k a head in "college education" so that thousands of them together can replicate the brain of an amphibian.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform obviously. because you know, "ethereum hole" is no longer google-trending. so therefore they must have.
mircea_popescu: the value of open source is actually negative, it's a wealth destruction mechanism.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: don't forget the inevitable next stage, where they develop the delusion of having found ~all~ of the possible ones
mircea_popescu: not one bothering to mention that hey, i got inspired by mp, and look, the prediction he made was in fact correct : there WERE more holes. which circumstance clears any possible objection to the whole process being jealousy driven.
thestringpuller: Ironically, it'll be some Mt.Gox scandal arising from that when you find out one of the Slock.it developers was behind the heist.
mircea_popescu: NOBODY fucking read it. not even the two idiots writing it. then AFTER i publish on trilema, suddenly it's sexy, they get jealous of all the exposure and find various other holes.
mircea_popescu: yeah well. the whole "open source/free software" delusion has gone long enough ; time to take it behind the bikeshed and put a bullet in its brain. leaving aside the entirely misguided communist nonsense of stallman, which is already discussed int he logs, look at what open source did for ethereum, since he mentioned it.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: "copy/paste me but don't ever read me!" << *sigh* In fact this just happened today. Developer tells me, "Hey copy this snipped into the codebase from github". I respond with, "Have you read the code?" They tell me, "Nope. But it works!" So guess who is stuck reading the code...
mircea_popescu: reydev he did in fact slap it together himself ; more generally "open source" in the general, github-y, "copy/paste me but don't ever read me!" sense is not much of a republican value. which isn't to say that you can't get at the code, but it is to say you can't expect to just find it online. if you got questions, ask teh lord in question.
thestringpuller: well you technically don't have to trust trinque. for the people you've rated, you can just ask them directly when you do gettrust about the rating in question. so if trinque did manipulate the ratings in someway, people using the web of trust correctly would eventually uncover "the errors"
reydev: im kind of interested in the implementation details, is it something he slapped together himself or is it an open source thing by any chance
mircea_popescu: aaand in other "vigourous copulation with children may result in ophisthotonus through splanchnic nerve cascade" news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/6d2ca3ecd0f30aa7358d844c43ab12a5/tumblr_nj1rlaCrb91tv93bgo1_500.gif
reydev: to trust the web
reydev: so, where are the web of trust ratings stored by the way... as in, who controls the database
shinohai: wsj has weak paywall. Google headline, then click result for paywall free experience.
shinohai: Did you read these lulz asciilifeform ? http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-terrorism-fight-needs-silicon-valley-1467239710
reydev: does this mean the stuff carried over from assets
mircea_popescu: deedbot oversees the wot.
asciilifeform: there is also a bookcase-sized case law, i will leave it for danielpbarron
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the basic usgology of this, https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/churches-religious-organizations/churches-defined
reydev: anyhow, ive nothing useful to add for now, ill do some catching up in the logs etc...