phf: there used to be a generation of 70s anthropologists in u.s. who read gary snyder and did things with their hands, they would teach all these interesting retro technology classes. they are mostly gone now, i've managed to catch their last wave and got a distinct feel from them "kids these days fucking suck"
mircea_popescu: and in other sack news, http://65.media.tumblr.com/1170ad4ec6e63d7a1cee4225f942fb40/tumblr_n7mvt6mmXL1tx2lkpo1_1280.jpg
hanbot: and introducing a troo luminary of the illinois school system, mchenry county college, which offers a "Geek Technology" program: http://www.mchenry.edu/geektech/
mircea_popescu: there we go!
asciilifeform: partly because it isn't even a price, but a cut of whatever net worth the family might have
asciilifeform: the most conveniently left out figure is the cost of participation in the college racket
a111: Logged on 2016-07-07 23:27 Joshua-I: True BingoBoingo last time I had to do that it was at least 15mins signing the thing not to mention the pointless talk before hand
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-07#1498984 << back in romania i had to spend ~2 hours each year signing the yearly reports of corps. i am not kidding, a literal two hours. thousands of signatures.
asciilifeform: but yes, this is not the first 'news' article that cites stats circa 2012 or earlier
a111: Logged on 2016-07-07 23:43 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-07#1498937 << note that they conveniently left out the last year. as per multiple reports, THAT is the capper.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-07#1499009 << you mean, the year they stopped bothering to cook up the numbers ?
asciilifeform: i worked in a corp where the doors were run by a winblows ME box.
mircea_popescu: and they're AN INDUSTRIAL AUTOMATICS SHOP!
mircea_popescu: alcatel building in timisoara, had the exact problem when power went out.
mircea_popescu: yeah well, i've seen the item i describe!
Joshua-I: If you need it that safe lock is reasonable, if you don't then what do you care
asciilifeform: of all the problems with electric locks, this is not one !
asciilifeform: it dun 'unlock', it stays locked (from outside) and openable (mechanically, press the fire bar) from inside.
mircea_popescu: unlock is the safer.
mircea_popescu: Joshua-I think about it, it's either fail deadly or fail safe. if there's no power it can either lock or unlock. which do you pick ?
asciilifeform: all doors in usa must be openable ~from inside~ per fire code; but other than that, nope
Joshua-I: I hope they don't make elevators lmao
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski it can be many things. chet made some pretty epic gravy. you're right in that it's rendered fat as the fat base ; with a starch. this is how all sauces are made.
Joshua-I: Cut the power? It'd have to be very poorly designed for that to work
mircea_popescu: possibly the most usg-tronic item in existence today. i'd rather have doberman patrols.
mircea_popescu: god i hate those things. from an institutional perspective - all anyone has to do to open all your doors is cut the power. from an individual perspective fuck me i'm not going in the rat maze.
mircea_popescu: aok then.
Joshua-I: Well if you're staunchly against having offices then it's crap, but if you're not it certainly works better than paper id
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: amen. shit's right up there with gravy and... that's it really. top two 'normally' ingested poisons : mashed potatoes and gravy. fucking incredible that they're oft eaten together.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-07#1498964 << mashed potatoes are the devil's own spawn.
asciilifeform: there are other problems, but the logz seem to be missing the main thread, so i will summarize a few: it is physically impossible to fit a serious rng in the thing, regardless of how constructed; the pc knows that a dedicated crypto hardware item is connected, and if attacker controls it he can sign/decrypt whatever the hell he wants with your card; and a bunch more.
mircea_popescu: "o look, the cookie model is bullshit, so they fixed it by making a dongle. cuz we all know dongles work, atari proved it!"
mircea_popescu: that's the whole principle - you can not do things by yourself! this is swedish socialism and "we" gotta be!
asciilifeform: 'What really makes Fairphone different is its marketing of radical transparency. For the first time, I’m thinking about what’s inside my phone, where it came from and who touched it before I did. '
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the "restrict mining market" thing, as experimented by crown jool debeers, is a major schtick because of its implications for oil, russia and in general. remember how just about when independent countries gathered enough technological mommentum to build exportable lightbulbs, the item "had to be upgraded" ?
Joshua-I: What's the opinion on pgp smart cards / yubikey around here
asciilifeform: meanwhile someone is laughing all the way to the bank, selling raw materials for 2-3x their normal price by affixing 'fair trade' shiny sticker. previously this only worked for food, and only in a few locales, in usa, where folks temporarily have more money than sense
asciilifeform: 'here, learn where the ~metals~ (supposedly) come from. but don't ask about how they are arranged, terrorist.'
a111: Logged on 2016-07-07 22:20 pete_dushenski: http://www.wsj.com/articles/how-was-your-smartphone-made-nobody-really-knows-1467832310 << in similar 'it's not whether we're effective but what's on the inside that counts' nyooz
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-07#1498940 << pretty lulzy. 'transparent' in the manner of 'organic food' (see l0gz) - in strictly the carefully-selected useless ways
pete_dushenski: then we'll see who's a kulak!
pete_dushenski: then ima start selling 'back-up crypto generators' with no return policies for $2k a pop
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski this entire "post quantum" thing reminds one sorely of the "post-ozone-layer" and "post-year-2k-bug" lolpocalypses.
pete_dushenski: 'we're trying to break the broken to see if the more broken is really more broken or if we should stick with our current broken.'
pete_dushenski: ithm might turn out to be breakable even with today's computers, in which case the elliptic-curve algorithm will still provide the best security that today’s technology can offer." << l0l!!!
pete_dushenski: "Today we're announcing an experiment in Chrome where a small fraction of connections between desktop Chrome and Google's servers will use a post-quantum key-exchange algorithm in addition to the elliptic-curve key-exchange algorithm that would typically be used. By adding a post-quantum algorithm on top of the existing one, we are able to experiment without affecting user security. The post-quantum algor
pete_dushenski: https://security.googleblog.com/2016/07/experimenting-with-post-quantum.html << in still other 'your tax dollars at work' snooze
pete_dushenski: after 2012, it's just write down the highest number our impoverished bureaucrats can count to and go with that.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-07 22:14 pete_dushenski: "In 2012, the U.S. Department of Agriculture estimated that a middle-income American family is likely to spend $234,900 to raise a child born in 2011 to age 17. If the kid goes to college, that figure may double." << though half a mil on a sjw you couldn't bring yourself to kill would suck the life force out of a sultan.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-07#1498937 << note that they conveniently left out the last year. as per multiple reports, THAT is the capper.
pete_dushenski: so of course, "don't beat them, they're people too" persists. it's self-perpetuum-immobile!
mircea_popescu: well... technically speaking word magicians, but the difference's negligible.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-07 22:12 pete_dushenski: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/06/many-americans-will-tell-you-having-kids-made-them-happier-theyre-probably-lying/ << ben_vulpes might have a foxy actress cum houseperson and a panda to call his own, but that doesn't make him happy!!elevan
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-07#1498935 << more like a case of "ustards telling you something enmasse, they're DEFINITELY lying. much better odds they are saying it for some meta reason (such as, they read it in the latest cookbook, is the way to make friends out of plywood and influenza people) than for the direct.
pete_dushenski: "Microscopic investigation suggests the possibility that the tip of the hyper-elongated penis is softer than the rest of it, and our numerical model confirms that this type of distribution of stiffness gradient aids in faster propulsion than other types. This result indicates that previously ignored physical properties of genital materials are of crucial importance in evolutionary studies of genitalia." <
Joshua-I: True BingoBoingo last time I had to do that it was at least 15mins signing the thing not to mention the pointless talk before hand
BingoBoingo: Sure they do. It's what counsin Sal(ly) picked up when zhe was on the swim team and show choir.
pete_dushenski: their*
pete_dushenski: lol to each there own
pete_dushenski: and a log is not THE log
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: bitbet 'twas in the log!
pete_dushenski: seems like a sane way to cook the inside of the tater so it's not mushy and gross but wdik
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Because Stan is used to the captital swamp region. Compared to that Chicago is likely paradise.
BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> blame the septagenarian struggle to lead the lemmings off the cliff or mordor's highest peak. or just blame potato science 'experts' spouting off about whatever the fuck happiness is in the first place. << Or give in and get a set of potato nails
pete_dushenski: and goddam frenchies beating ze germans. wtf was that about ? colour me unimpressed with the negroes in blue who only won because the crowds and refs won it for them
pete_dushenski: http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2016/07/yuval_levin_on_1.html << not a bad episode for the armchair anthropologist log reader. the girl and i took away different key messages (her : pure individualism leads to ruin, i : pure mega-statalism leads to ruin), but it was full of reasonably well-articulated arguments from inside the american echo chamber
pete_dushenski: looks like the last pre-halving broomstick is right on schedule
pete_dushenski: huh. coulda sworn it was in here before. not the first i've heard of it but ah well.
pete_dushenski: http://www.wsj.com/articles/how-was-your-smartphone-made-nobody-really-knows-1467832310 << in similar 'it's not whether we're effective but what's on the inside that counts' nyooz
pete_dushenski: right points at left saying "those solutions worked in the past, but times are different and they'd never work THIS TIME". left points at right saying "your solutions have never worked and will never work because the only thing that's changed is the colour of your smelly socks"
pete_dushenski: "The good news, the researchers say, is that there is nothing inevitable about the parental happiness gap. And there may be some relatively achievable solutions for improving the happiness of American parents – like subsidizing childcare, or expanding access to paid vacation and sick leave." << moar socialism is the problem, researchers say. the solution ? even moarrrr!
pete_dushenski: "In 2012, the U.S. Department of Agriculture estimated that a middle-income American family is likely to spend $234,900 to raise a child born in 2011 to age 17. If the kid goes to college, that figure may double." << though half a mil on a sjw you couldn't bring yourself to kill would suck the life force out of a sultan.
pete_dushenski: blame the septagenarian struggle to lead the lemmings off the cliff or mordor's highest peak. or just blame potato science 'experts' spouting off about whatever the fuck happiness is in the first place.
pete_dushenski: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/06/many-americans-will-tell-you-having-kids-made-them-happier-theyre-probably-lying/ << ben_vulpes might have a foxy actress cum houseperson and a panda to call his own, but that doesn't make him happy!!elevan
trinque: poison kills well before the ratio of poison to person is 1
shinohai: I kinda thought Bitcoin is supposed to *destroy* the welfare state, not perpetuate it.
mircea_popescu: in the general sense, bitcoin taking over everything mainstream is unavoidable ; in the same general sense, various fiat pretenders etc doing most of the work involved for entirely no benefit is also how things work.
shinohai: "Freud suggested that the project's success or failure would be determined by the impact on those receiving welfare payments." which will be zero, I'm certain.
mircea_popescu: and now in the lulz of all time, argentine government pays youtube to advertise to argentinians about how 200 years ago they gained their independence "y lo es muy bueno"
a111: Logged on 2016-07-07 18:42 thestringpuller: "Quite funny that a random altcoin exchange like poloniex is far more profitable than a company that has raised more than 100 million USD." << in coinbase "we need more money plz" news.
mircea_popescu: lol, they cautiously avoided noticing this while mpex was publicly traded, NOW it's a point of discussion ? color me flattered, what.
mircea_popescu: heh i had the wrong page up.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/fetlife-the-meat-market/#comment-117980 << looks like went in wrong thread ?
mircea_popescu: nana, then.
mircea_popescu: the bronco-country comparison breaks down
asciilifeform: or, not so anxious to move to modern ru? where they did 1000+ years
mircea_popescu: otherwise, it's just gonna be typical "democratic" drivel.
mircea_popescu: whereas all these shitty attempts - not a decade in greece, not a decade in argentina etc. bullcrap.
mircea_popescu: here's the thing : bronco riding is a time-dependent event. do it for too short intervals, the bronco gets the idea it's tough.
mircea_popescu: purely aesthetic.
asciilifeform: but what was the palpable difference ?
mircea_popescu: yeah, but at least the "common man" got beaten regularly.
asciilifeform: orc shithole then as now.
asciilifeform: what's the practical difference ?
asciilifeform: from same page: '"First," he said, "because it is not fit that I should sit as a judge and nobody to be hanged; secondly, you must be hanged because you have a damned hanging look; thirdly, you must be hanged because I am hungry. There's a law for ye, ye dog. Take him away.'
mircea_popescu: amusingly, ended ~exactly same way the argentinian right wing military experiment ended : with the loss of an island
mircea_popescu: here's something for the historian in alf! there's ancient statement of the principle, recorded in 1970 milwaukee journal : "You make yourself ridiculous by thinking you can do anything. The word is divided in two. The Russians and the Americans, no one else. What are we? Americans. Behind me there is the government, behind the government is NATO, behind NATO is the US. You can't fight us, we are Americans."
mircea_popescu: god damned thing was created centuries ago. by the fucking maramures people, the rough equivalent of being the darian colony, founded by the scots.
mircea_popescu: moldavia is no transilvania much like the philippines are no japan.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno, really. it's a pot calling kettle black situation, neither side of this debate is in much position to claim cultural ancientitude.
mircea_popescu: not that a) i can even for a second imagine it wasn't entirely merited nor b) reached at any point the level of my disdain for argentinians.
asciilifeform: the 'pig' remark was, i suspect, an answer to his thing that was in the spirit of http://www.contravex.com/2015/11/08/it-takes-more-than-time-it-takes-generations
mircea_popescu: anyway, the moldavians are apparently pissed because he said the boo boo about chisinau.
mircea_popescu: ~ darker than the gypsies (slaves, at the time), you spent years begging around here, you, well received yet failed to profer as much as thanks. we fed you bread and salt (i dunno, it's a romanian thing) and wine from our ample cave, but when the morn came you took a shit in the flowerbed, laughing. then through thousand year old forests walked to no apparent benefit (literally, for love of the ho), and so there you see : no
asciilifeform: or, elementarily, afghani, then iraqi, then libyan, then syrian, terrorists are usg-sponsored 'rebels' so long as they are setting the desired kind of controlledchaos fires.
asciilifeform: 'failed state' is about hillary not daring to land there and derp on a podium.
asciilifeform: consider the usgtronic popular term 'failed state'
asciilifeform: 'the art of not being governed' had a lengthy and imho quite pointed discussion of this.
mircea_popescu: how exactly do they expect to not be massacred like the jews, when they behave exactly like the massacred jews ?
mircea_popescu: note the deeply pernicious nature of fiat pretenders. they'll yield, BUT ONLY TO ANOTHER ONE.
asciilifeform: they have at least 1 going.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the deal'd only be interesting if it came with renounciation of ru sovereignity claims.
asciilifeform: afaik most of the parcels are not near magadan
asciilifeform: the most you can expect is something like a road, somewhere nearby.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: perhaps it will add some wtf to the mix if i add that these are ~virgin~ lands, with no communications (not even, in most places, any mains current or plumbing)
asciilifeform: what, mircea_popescu thought there would be a million takers ?
mircea_popescu: it is written in teh torah, "you gotta interface with the locals."
asciilifeform: the german exiles didn't
mircea_popescu: plenty of people would rather die.
asciilifeform: nowhere is it written that you gotta interface with the locals
mircea_popescu: also, a hectare ? wtf is that. we're talking by the dc, 10kmsq.
asciilifeform: strangely, the jews massively and collectively turned down uruguay and argentina during ww2
asciilifeform: i suspect that mircea_popescu is not the target audience.
asciilifeform: there was some other thing where if you signed up for the above, they'd make you citizen.
mircea_popescu: it was an utter shock, they're so cheap and effectual i fully expected EVERY shoreline EVERYWHERE is protected by them
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, the summa of the thing being that they (stupidly) decided to give the feds ten mile square ; the northerners wanted it in a big city, the slave interest down south. eventuyally hamilton managed to trade the south undertaking a share of the northern foreign debt in exchange for putting the capital down by virgina.
asciilifeform: incidentally, the embryo of modern usg was already quite discernible in shay's rebellion and whiskey rebellion
mircea_popescu: one pennsylvania mutiny each decade'd have kept the cancer in check.
mircea_popescu: ie, the original idea was much more a la tmsr than a la usg.
mircea_popescu: early us history is deeply against everything the us ended up.
asciilifeform: it is not difficult to determine why they build d.c. in swamp
asciilifeform: unlike the british imbeciles
asciilifeform: all of them.
asciilifeform: he'd make book covers from ~their~ hides.
mircea_popescu: lucky him he didn't live these days, what a fine hitler icon they could have cut out of his hide.
asciilifeform: afaik - the weird
mircea_popescu: is this the roman buttseks or just peter weird ?
ben_vulpes: that is before he lights the cf panels aflame with current.
ben_vulpes: to the mechanical engineer, an insulator is just a resistor with a high ohmic value.
mircea_popescu: the insanity of going to war in something mom croched for you however.... the mind boggles.
ben_vulpes: but the core element was "cf is a resistor it turns out!"
ben_vulpes: sure. does imply a closed circuit. eg someone else doing the same thing elsewhere
ben_vulpes: whereas sheet cf is simply high resistance once you scratch through the epoxy and touch some carbon
ben_vulpes: well randomly distributed means that there's not quite as much surface area of c/c in the matrix
mircea_popescu: the 60s are a long way away.
ben_vulpes: or or or lazily clipped something to the frame figuring "hey, it's plastic-y, should be insulative."
ben_vulpes: i'm going to be someone tried to ground to the frame.
mircea_popescu: anyway. this entire idiocy started with the triton in the late 90s. british engineering.
mircea_popescu: maybe next they build a cherry bomb shaped aircraft carrier. complete with the fuse.
mircea_popescu: thanks god the technologies were so advanced.
mircea_popescu: iercer trimaran hull from, constructed exclusively of infused vinylester carbon fibre cored sandwich materials for all structural elements, with external "stealth" geometry and features intended to reduce detection. The KRI Klewang (625) caught fire because of an electrical short-circuit in the engine room during a maintenance period on September 28, 2012 and was a total loss."
mircea_popescu: "First launched on 31 August 2012 at Bali Strait, 63M Carbon Fibre Composite Trimaran Fast Missile Boat (Indonesian: Kapal Cepat Rudal [KCR]) named KRI Klewang (625) - a traditional Indonesian single edge sword, was the first stealth trimaran of the Indonesian Navy built by North Sea Boats at Banyuwangi, East Java, Indonesia. This ship combined a number of existing advance technologies into a single, unique platform; a wave-p
mircea_popescu: wait... isn't that the female imperative ?
mircea_popescu: in more news in the same vein, http://www.confessionpost.com/12103/my-wife-is-finally-turning-tricks
mircea_popescu: well, all i know on the topic is that "krypton" is a superman thing
phf: death to videodrome! long live the new flesh!
thestringpuller: you know cause if you know anything about krypton, jal-el superman's dad, told the great kryptonian cousuel "the world is going to end and we can prevent it" and they were all like "Um no. You're insane".
thestringpuller: Consumers rely on blind trust based on recent observations. That is they want to deposit money in black box X, to retrieve Y. If black box fails their expectations, its because they didn't perform their due diligence in researching the black box.
thestringpuller: Not at all. It just seems there is no room at all for consumerism, if you use Bitcoin correctly.
thestringpuller: that is the consumer goes extinct.
mircea_popescu: i dunno. if a bunch of blondies decide to inspect the abandoned house in the middle of the night, what usually happens to them ?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: If consumers revolt against an obfuscated enemy, what ends up happening to the consumer overall?
mircea_popescu: for that matter, see http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/ ; fact is you're playing today in a novel written years ago, among others by yours truly. see the part that starts with "yet another one of them".
mircea_popescu: if you find the time to read the log, the whole turkey dollars thing's discussed periodically. even recently re the linkedin "billion" sale.
mircea_popescu: covertress a) it's not actual money and b) a dying empire bleeds money. they spent some on the taliban, too.
mircea_popescu: well... also don't underestimate their determination.
mats: i'm sure these were just mbas
mircea_popescu: mats i recall the last time i was in a roomfull of engineers who decided they needed concrete but didn't know how to pour it. we were about seven, playing on riverside.
mircea_popescu: so how long have you been doing the "being excited online" + "going to conventions" bit ?
covertress: I met so many companies at Concensus who are convinced they need blockchain because it's the latest thing (internet 2.0 in their minds) but, they have no idea how to implement
shinohai: thestringpuller: eg, "cryptocurrency"
thestringpuller: mats: unfortunately, it seems the trend has revealed more people like to spend time hyping things up rather than actually building something useful for customers.
mircea_popescu: fact is... you're now fucked. it's not trivial to explain to restaurant manager why abstract 4 dimensional figures can not be built down the street.
mats: btc history repeats on small intervals, 'ripple' and 'stellar' were ethereum before ethereum, etc...
mircea_popescu: anyway, the situation here is that you're a restaurant manager doing ok, and one day a guy walks in and convinces you to go into business to open your own chain of restaurants built inside tessaract buildings.
mats: fun fact, ethereum is a scam
covertress: I took time off from IT to explore other lives... was deckhand on historic schooner, 1st mate on PT boat, therapist, rest mgr. etc
thestringpuller was really intrigued by danielpbarron 's blog entry on the matter
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller yeah, it'll take it the first step once they actually hunt something.
thestringpuller: danielpbarron: I really love the survival aspect of events like that, and just existing. Porcfest sounds like it takes it a step further with sessions and panels or what not...
thestringpuller: danielpbarron: re porcfest. Do you attend any other similar events? Maybe not like porcfest? But like burning man type stuff?
mircea_popescu: covertress noob founder in the sense you've not founded anything else before ?
covertress: think they like to watch me fall on my face a lot. lol
mircea_popescu: covertress how familiar are you with the technical matters involved ?
covertress: there is that possiblity
covertress: thx for the invite. just lurking. :)
gribble: Error: We broke The Google!
mircea_popescu: but in point of fact constitutes an absolute bar to ever getting there.
mircea_popescu: but when it does, the peasants (ie, same azns) are quite distraught to discover that what they did with the swindler not only DIDN'T get them any closer to their intended destination,
mircea_popescu: this swindle is supposed to work in the sense that corriere della sera (ie, trilema) doesn't make it to castellamare in shitlandia.
mircea_popescu: unscrupulous swindler (ie, usg) promises the latter that he's representative of the former, meanwhile he doesn't even have film in the "camera".
mircea_popescu: the peasants (ie, here, azns) aim to go to you know, THAT place.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/luomo-delle-stele/ << there we go. that one, tornatore's film.
mircea_popescu: o damn, wrong one. the old one wtf was it
mircea_popescu: they were very hurt, by the way, to find out they're hated, and with a burning hatred, for participating, by the apparent hot core of coolness of the very people they thought they were emulating.
asciilifeform: consider the gaggle of asian grad students responsible for whatever portions of ethereum actually were written.
asciilifeform: the 'in-house' portions are usually written by in-house sarmatians, also
mircea_popescu: such choice on this cow, which house on the street to be milked at tonight.
mircea_popescu: been ongoing in the middle east for a while, now they're gonna give money to the iranians because no longer happy with the dudes they fed prior.
mircea_popescu: a sort of reverse-manhattan-purchase, where the empire ~imagines~ it is buying something ; whereas the tribes accept the tribute, AND rape the women.
asciilifeform: they can hire martians, same result
mircea_popescu: ethiopes would be one thing. they keep hiring sarmatians.
asciilifeform: the 'slockitization' pattern, where american derps are incapable of building ANYTHING on their own, and hire 'ethiopes' to do the heavy lifting, then sprinkle whatever rubbish on top, is interestingly apparent
mircea_popescu: (you'd think this ridiculous, until you review the documents and notice over half us deployments of any kind are determined by what money is available)
asciilifeform: iirc classical nsa has its entire euro research arm there.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform prolly they have some oversized office leftover from the glory days of the fulda gap
asciilifeform: didn't they even move hearn to geneva ?
asciilifeform: is it 'dog whistle'? are these folks not even ~trying~ to fool anyone ?
asciilifeform: re earlier, i never quite grasped why every 'classy' diddled crypto peddler has to move to geneva. just because nsa-operated crypto AG corp. is there ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-07#1498532 << lel i misread as 1990s, and the thing was failing to pass checksum in my head so direly, i re-read six times before 'aha'
asciilifeform: 'Silent Circle already lost some of its key personnel in recent months. Cryptography luminary and co-founder Jon Callas departed for Apple in May and in June, CEO and President Bill Conner resigned, with Neiderman stepping in as interim chief. Co-founder Phil Zimmerman, best-known as the creator of encrypted messaging protocol PGP, remains on-board, living in the firm’s adopted home town of Geneva.'
asciilifeform: 'All of the gory details come from court documents related to a fight with former partner Geeksphone, which has filed a legal complaint in New York state court over a disputed $5 million payment. Geeksphone, the Spanish company that helped build the original Blackphone, says it’s owed the money from the $30 million sale of shares in the pair’s Blackphone SA joint venture...'
asciilifeform: the huxley who died in '30s ?
asciilifeform: mats: i'd enjoy moar if i could get the link to load on me box
mircea_popescu: hey, tucker max made it in the us
asciilifeform: when's the last time there was an intellectually significant b00k on a bestseller list? in whatever country
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, my point was more along the lines of - books being dead. grant as much, than when the majority of practitioners in a field are female, that field is therefore dead.
asciilifeform: 'Sorry Privacy Lovers, The Blackphone Is Flirting With Failure' << l0l1!!!