asciilifeform: it is a sort of inverse of the parable with the rabbi who tells schmuck to 'put in the goat and the sheep, in your house, then slowly expel them'
a111: Logged on 2016-07-17 16:50 asciilifeform: Framedragger: pgp. drop the 'I'.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-17#1504161 << reading the line above, i was going to ask, "can you explain the case for secure + instant" ?
a111: Logged on 2016-06-23 18:53 asciilifeform: kinda how i boot up that cute x86 systemv and then notice that it is PALPABLY slow on modern pentium because it lacks ANY disk cache etc.
asciilifeform: re: small kernel, recall the retro unix thread, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-23#1488603
asciilifeform: the one with arbolito or whichever.
asciilifeform: this is a heuristic you can take straight to the bank.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: you can save astonishing piles of mental cpu cycles, time, sweat, by ignoring the obvious imbeciles, e.g., 'anon on phone'
a111: Logged on 2016-07-17 21:46 asciilifeform: writing 'open' whatevers for a machine where a closed radio has dma to the whole bus, is a laugh
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-17#1504382 << this is actually a well-compressed rebuttal which shall be employed in the future.
Framedragger: ..and yet allegedly smart cs d00dz want to speak to me about anonymous publishing on the internets (yes i know, quite oxymoronic) with these little shits in their pockets
mircea_popescu: nobody burns them down, so i suppose there's lots of space for ridiculous on the street.
mircea_popescu: the derpage of people pretending to do their copmputing on "smart" phones is, to my eyes, way the fuck more ridiculous than the attempt to you know, make a "small kernel"
asciilifeform: and yes, phone belongs to the carrier, in the sense that anyone found selling phonez which do unsanctioned things, and not necessarily limited to interfering with neighbour's phone (say, proper crypto) will Have Problems very quickly.
asciilifeform: the whole dma thing is a riot.
asciilifeform: writing 'open' whatevers for a machine where a closed radio has dma to the whole bus, is a laugh
mircea_popescu: Framedragger historically, location contracts come with a key for the actual owner.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: re turing-complete blobs in hardware, i recall http://redmine.replicant.us/projects/replicant/wiki/SamsungGalaxyBackdoor oh the wonder - you can have your "like android but moar open source omg" OS all you like, your mobile operator can still fuck you any time of day any day
mircea_popescu: depends. the latter makes a better story for burning man.
asciilifeform: x86 os is the latter.
asciilifeform: and in some cases the two situations are readily distinguishable to naked eye.
asciilifeform: there is waste, and then there is waste: to ask gurl out is one thing, to persist in fucking a hole in a tree and praying to odin to turn it into a girl, unlike the last 9,999 times the hole was fucked, is quite another.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger the only guarantee life comes with is that it will have been wasted.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-17 21:38 mircea_popescu: it is safe to say the result of a life dedicated to science will idem be "pile of shit"
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-17#1504350 << ....so the signing of the contract with large megacorp in my future 50s is the faustian contract with the devil?? (well... minus the "all the knowledge in the world"... and minus the girls, too)
mircea_popescu: not doing because "You can't do" is how 15yo virgins end up 25 yo virgins. the fucking point is to go ask the girl that'"d never say yes"
mircea_popescu: anyway. while the situation is dire, no contest - the solution will be of the nature of a SOLUTION. ie, applying solvent.
asciilifeform: there IS NOT AN FPGA
asciilifeform: they ALL have turing-complete thing inside, and update (typically nonpersistent, but not always) blobs inside the vendor's binary drivers.
asciilifeform: worse yet, there are at least a dozen incompatible arms.
mircea_popescu: it is safe to say the result of a life dedicated to science will idem be "pile of shit"
mircea_popescu: i don't dispute his conclusion - result will likely be pile of shit. nevertheless, the process is important.
asciilifeform: even the kind of sanity that was extant on x86 circa '90s.
asciilifeform: because the hardware does NOT support sanity.
asciilifeform: not pointless, but important to understand that result will eventually be the same pile of shit as everyone else's pile of shit.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: ...sooo, you're certain it'd be pointless to attempt a small sane kernel for *existing* intel and/or arm madness? (i assume the answer is "yes", but just to be certain..)
a111: Logged on 2016-07-17 21:19 Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-17#1504260 << this i can relate to 100%. the fact that there is any lag between me clicking on button and the button responding is an unending, continuous insult to my face. 3bn cycles down the drain
Framedragger: BingoBoingo: true that. or are you implying that delay is sometimes a good thing? (sure is - now if only the user had a choice in the matter of a predictable delay!) but, yeah; it adds to the insult, methinks
a111: Logged on 2016-07-17 17:43 asciilifeform: even the much-hyped 'cheaper cpu cycle' happened only so that it could be eaten up by successive new layers of microshit. and for ~no other reason.
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-17#1504260 << this i can relate to 100%. the fact that there is any lag between me clicking on button and the button responding is an unending, continuous insult to my face. 3bn cycles down the drain
a111: Logged on 2016-07-17 17:34 asciilifeform: 'In all likelihood, there was no change at all to the labor-intensiveness, but the labor was more "fun" for a certain class of people. Now, industrious retards can be a horrible thing. Over a number of years, close to a decade, Perl accreted bits and pieces from programming languages and became usable in lieu of a programming language by people who lacked the mental wherewithall to do programming. Tinkerers, repairers, handymen, th
Framedragger: the whole ragerant is appreciated, too
a111: Logged on 2016-07-17 17:23 asciilifeform: the c-machine pointer mechanism, and its non-boundchecked array access in general, is quite similar to mains wiring prior to the invention of the fuse, where mains socket has nfi that it oughtn't source 300 amps and melt itself, igniting the entire wall
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-17#1504246 (and onwards) g'point. there's so much pipelining stuff going on in x86 these days that the whole "we can't afford to do bounds checking" needs to be revisited, ~yesterday..
a111: Logged on 2016-07-17 17:20 asciilifeform: anywhere other than ~equator, a block of flats without a boiler, plumbing, and radiators, is quite analogous to the c-machine
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-17#1504244 << ah, i didn't yet, and ha, i see the connection..
mircea_popescu: and in other "hey honey, how goes it" news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/fd46726f11506a7ecb04bd6fe059f35d/tumblr_nlyj3yCmk41uojv1ho1_400.gif
asciilifeform: shinohai: there was phrase 'recent events'
asciilifeform: shinohai: is there context for this ?
asciilifeform: 'Mr Vancel said the men were shooting at each other before the officers arrived. "This was not a 'come at police' situation they weren't targeting the police at first - I don't assume so - because these were men out here shooting at each other in an empty parking lot until the police showed up and it turned into a gun battle," he added.' << lel
asciilifeform: the message, loud and clear, to 'software industry', from the greybears who are the only thing that presently stands between the 'civilized' world and zimbabwe, is: 'kindly die in a fire, nobody needs yer 'progress'.'
asciilifeform: ^ one in a series of many similar lulticles, which neglect to mention the inconvenient fact that folks use mechanical tabulators, vaxen, 8-inch floppies, SOLELY BECAUSE the available alternatives are microshit and drepper
asciilifeform: 'Stanley Quayle, a computer emulation consultant, has seen contractors desperate to find the parts they need. "I have a prospective customer supporting a U.S. missile defense system that is buying parts on eBay," says Quayle. "Any parts they do find are as old or older than their system," meaning they’re sometimes no more reliable than the pieces they replace.'
asciilifeform: 'Sparkler Filters of Conroe, Texas, prides itself on being a leader in the world of chemical process filtration. If you buy an automatic nutsche filter from them, though, they’ll enter your transaction on a “computer” that dates from 1948.'
asciilifeform: about as achievable for most folks as a stint in the reactor business.
asciilifeform: theme of entire thread.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-17 16:48 asciilifeform: srsly, 'whatsapp' ?! i will give half a fuck about 'whatsapp' right after i go to shanghai and learn the best ways of cooking gutter oil.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-17#1504156 << it's the unfortunate side effect of the bezzlar washing process, that the naive / youthful fixate on the intermediate steps as if they were actual things.
asciilifeform: somehow i suspect that we will never run out of material for the 'idiot engineers and their tunnel vision' eternal thread...
asciilifeform: not apparent in the photo: the angle of the jet holes. (the actual brilliant hack there.)
asciilifeform: wake me up when wilson sells machine that craps out ~these~.
asciilifeform: for the record, the only direction with real promise in small arms field is 'gyrojet', where the rifled and tempered barrel is unnecessary, given a self-rotating projectile, small and quite easily-made rocket
asciilifeform: 'i will sell machine that makes banned rifle part X' but no contemplation of 'so they'll ban part Y which my machine cannot make', or 'why not design a Z which can be made by hand' etc.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-17 16:59 Framedragger: asciilifeform: i guess you have little patience for spotting potentially hopeful people, and bringing them up to speed on $ideology / teaching them / etc. which is absolutely understandable, afaiic.
asciilifeform: or why wilson is convinced that usg will not answer simply by changing the rules so that ~barrel~, rather than magazine holder, is regulated;
asciilifeform: e.g., why make the complex ar15 receiver, when one could design a much simpler stamped (or waterjet-cut, etc) item that would take the same barrels;
asciilifeform: it is difficult to catalogue all of the idiocies,
asciilifeform: in other 'news', this schmuck is still in business, apparently : http://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-cody-wilson-ghost-gunner-ar-15
asciilifeform: ibm never quite made the conceptual transition from 'calculator' to 'computer'
asciilifeform: in other nyooz, lulzy usgtronic scam: http://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-fake-biofuel-factory
asciilifeform: even the much-hyped 'cheaper cpu cycle' happened only so that it could be eaten up by successive new layers of microshit. and for ~no other reason.
asciilifeform: virtually all of the technological 'growth' since late '80s, is precisely of this kind.
asciilifeform: these items, including most of what a modern-day programmer is familiar with, are not part of a healthy ecosystem, any more than the various fungi growing on an aids patient are normal parts of human body.
asciilifeform: e auto mechanics of the IT industry, all flocked to Perl because they could tinker so well with it with no required knowledge or skills. Thus was "programmering performed by tinkerers" born as a concept, and the tinker toys of the unskilled became better and better.'
asciilifeform: 'In all likelihood, there was no change at all to the labor-intensiveness, but the labor was more "fun" for a certain class of people. Now, industrious retards can be a horrible thing. Over a number of years, close to a decade, Perl accreted bits and pieces from programming languages and became usable in lieu of a programming language by people who lacked the mental wherewithall to do programming. Tinkerers, repairers, handymen, th
asciilifeform: the ~STABILITY~ implied in an alt-world where software ~actually works correctly~ is Ur-terrifying to the typical maggot, whether of the microshit or 'open sores' variety
asciilifeform: (incidentally there is the occasional oasis where this is actually the case, there are banks that have been running same mainframe for generations, why do you suppose they are not eager to move to pc ? to microshit ?)
asciilifeform: (because this would leave no room for microshit, or anything like the 'sek000rity industry', or the idiot face of 'software industry' in general, to exist)
asciilifeform: anything but ACTUAL solution to the ACTUAL problem
asciilifeform: not to mention various and sundry 'seeek00000rity mitigations', e.g., the intel idiocy discussed yesterday
asciilifeform: the standard argument in favour of c-machine, 'transistors have a cost', holds 0 water: the modern cpu is nothing like pdp11, and has plenty of transistors wasted on idiot epicycles to paper over the retardation, e.g., page table, tlb cache, etc
asciilifeform: the c-machine pointer mechanism, and its non-boundchecked array access in general, is quite similar to mains wiring prior to the invention of the fuse, where mains socket has nfi that it oughtn't source 300 amps and melt itself, igniting the entire wall
asciilifeform: where instead of a hardwarized and guaranteed-correct array allocator, bignumatron, etc., there are 10,001 tiny ad-hoc pieces of shit, like the little space heaters, melting carpets, starting fires when you so much as blink
asciilifeform: anywhere other than ~equator, a block of flats without a boiler, plumbing, and radiators, is quite analogous to the c-machine
asciilifeform: stack is shit on a ~conceptual~ rather than ~implementation~ level.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: sure, i've read some of it, and will read more. i recall the general source of frustration, 'the whole stack is shit' etc
asciilifeform: there is almost 9 years of material.
asciilifeform: this is a broad subject and i will not attempt to further summarize here, i have an entire www devoted to it.
asciilifeform: and, secondarily, about the proliferation and endless half-hearted reimplementation of essentials like allocators, gc, bignumatron, for the lack of standard hardware-provided faculties
asciilifeform: the c-machine is an idiot foundation, which inevitably breeds the pests we are familiar with.
asciilifeform: other ingredients include vtronics (every line has a sworn and cryptoauthenticated author),
a111: Logged on 2016-07-13 15:37 asciilifeform: the problem is that there is more than ~10,000 lines of it.
asciilifeform: one key ingredient of the antidote to 'everything resembles openssl' is http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-13#1502498
Framedragger: sure, open source culture is mostly a pile of crap, with little to no reflection on the culture *itself*, hard to disagree with you here.
asciilifeform: the entire subject, of software as a cultural product, as opposed to a disembodied thing floating unanchored in possibility-space, is discussed ~nowhere else.
asciilifeform: contemplated strictly here. and nowhere else. because, while various folks made noises about 'throw away openssl', 100% of heathens are dead-set on re-creating the very same culture that resulted in it.
Framedragger: (well to be true, 'throw away openssl' has been seriously contemplated by any a folk recently, i would wager a guess. but perhaps much less so with the latter, sure.)
asciilifeform: the 'hope' thing per se is worth ~0.
ben_vulpes: this is not mircea_popescu's harem where basic mathematics are beaten into slavegirls.
Framedragger: my echochamber saturation is nearing 100% but not yet there ;)
ben_vulpes: the light must be sought, it cannot be brought.
Framedragger: 'the light'
asciilifeform: and many other folks.
asciilifeform: fella showed up here, was offered the light, vanished.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: i guess you have little patience for spotting potentially hopeful people, and bringing them up to speed on $ideology / teaching them / etc. which is absolutely understandable, afaiic.
asciilifeform: and for quite fundamental reasons, having to do with the C machine
Framedragger: the whole unidirectional diode thing is nonetheless cute, if not truly original or anything
asciilifeform: the airgap thing is a cargo cult. sorta like proposing to prevent ALL disease by washing hands.
asciilifeform: i will point with finger then: '...messaging system that operates on top of existing IM clients. The free and open source software is used in conjunction with free hardware...'
asciilifeform: the problem is quite intrinsic
asciilifeform: 'TFC-CEV is a high assurance encrypted messaging system that operates on top of existing IM clients. The free and open source software is used in conjunction with free hardware to protect users from passive eavesdropping, active MITM attacks and remote CNE practised by organized crime and state-level adversaries.'
asciilifeform: Framedragger: pgp is a sad, duct-tape-laden thing, as discussed on plenty of occasions in the logz. but the proliferation of psyop 'alternatives' casts it in a surprisingly good light.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: actually with pgp you'll just end up trusting your much dreaded aes256 since openpgp will do the whole 'session' thing as you know
asciilifeform: as for 'real time', there is this marvelous device known as... a clock
Framedragger: no pfs either
Framedragger: difficult to organize coups without the 'I'. the (shitty shitty) turkey coup used whatsapp incidentally
asciilifeform: Framedragger: pgp. drop the 'I'.
Framedragger: doesn't have to be. but, sure, we all have limited time under the sun, so
asciilifeform: srsly, 'whatsapp' ?! i will give half a fuck about 'whatsapp' right after i go to shanghai and learn the best ways of cooking gutter oil.
Framedragger: (the impression was "crazy smart guy")
Framedragger: it was probably the about page where you ranted about how you were sitting in $lecture thinking about a generic associative notation system etc etc, and realizing it's a slippery slope to hell and you need to implement a lisp machine
Framedragger: well, let me recall if perhaps i had the same first impression when encountering your blog ca. 2010
asciilifeform: this is precisely the definitional snore.
a111: Logged on 2016-02-07 23:56 maqp: so a secure communication system with no anonymity between peers, no secrecy, no integrity and no authenticity unless all peers are trustworthy
a111: Logged on 2016-02-07 23:57 mircea_popescu: complete anonimity between peers more than one node removed ; complete secrecy outside of the node group ; no integrity or authenticity outside of the wot trust.
Framedragger: incidentally prolly just grokked the main point of gossipd, i.e. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-07#1399507 + http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-07#1399508
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: i wonder why the fuck they've not yet come up with the concept of "well, young kids can only have sex in difficult positions". natural limitation!
mircea_popescu: and in other "abstinence only" news : http://66.media.tumblr.com/69482bc152ff14641c3abb8e879109a4/tumblr_nmrk0q4mJc1rgvmo2o1_500.gif
phf: girl still has wide eyed memories of me buying $300 worth of fireworks at some random store in moscows, and launching all of them in snow, in residential area, literally in front of my grandmother's apartment building
phf: friend was talking about 4 of july, how the freedom loving rednecks were launching fireworks, despite all kinds of restrictions on distribution. and i was like the fuck you talking about, fireworks are easily available in any quantity and size over the counter everywhere else
asciilifeform: when i tell usian folk about my elder brother's chemistry youth, they 'bluescreen', it 'dun compute'
mircea_popescu: (every time i mention this in english - people either assume or else inquire if i huffed it. no i didn't fucking huff it wtf.)
mircea_popescu: had a quart bottle of ether, also.
asciilifeform: it, and others, were quite gettable in sov world
asciilifeform: (2 glass flasks in the shell, mix on site when broken)
asciilifeform: the way usg did nerve gases
asciilifeform: they really ought to make it as a bipartite thing
mircea_popescu: hey, i made nitrocellulose in my kiddy lab, the "unstable as all fuck" thing was a bonus
mircea_popescu: it's been huge in the luxury/perfume market for a while now.
mircea_popescu: re the "we found traces of tatp" i wonder how big the market in "misdirecting chemicals" is by now. "use this additive, will make police think you used Y agent".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i neither agree nor disagree, i did not know for a fact whether the fella on the bus was 'math bum' or not. simply that the thought came to me, 'erdos'
mircea_popescu: shinohai he can't go broke anymore, so there is that.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so you disagree with the mitm diagnosis ?
asciilifeform: usg will pay generous pensions to 'piss christ' artists, 'sjw', lafond's hood rats, and other vermin, but ~not a penny for mathematics
mircea_popescu: he DID get the suit, somehow, yes ?
mircea_popescu: absolutely run of the mill mitm attack - you credit erdos' ip, which results in a market for "erdos-like ips" which people buy FOR THE REASON that they ARE NOT erdos ; but wish nevertheless to get your packets sent over as if they were.
asciilifeform: i immediately thought 'erdos, motherfuckers'
mircea_popescu: they just conspired to dress him wrongly for who he is!
mircea_popescu: then they do these movement patters, like decerebrated chickens. and you wonder wtf happened here, this fine looking gentleman of a respectable age hasn't mastered the basics requisites of a 12 yo ?
mircea_popescu: it is fraud, essentially, he goes about the town pretending he';s a person. he's not a person, he's barely qualified to be a canary.
mircea_popescu: yes, but not at the same time dress like a professor. or, for that matter, by a fifty year old white male.
asciilifeform: hey, when i worked at the godforsaken shithole with the homomorphic crud, nearby there was a furniture shop where you could buy a $30 lamp on layaway.
mircea_popescu: took him more to go through that than it took me to pick the store pick the pants decide i'm buying and how many. he was there when i came in, he would have been there for an hour had i not rudely interrupted his soberania & derechos humanos.
mircea_popescu in shop, friday - bought two pairs of pants, because liked them. total came to 2k, which is imo very reasonable for corduroy pants.
asciilifeform: they have credit?!
mircea_popescu: just, if you press them, they can not produce a six dollar bill out of their pockets ; and purchases over 20 dollars DEFINITELY go on the credit card.
mircea_popescu: but! they are rich in prospects! recursos! dreams hopes aspirations and human rights! soberania! gargle generally.
mircea_popescu: that may be, but this was a bunch of student vagrant chicks who own one pair of underwear and somehow spent 250 pesos to be there.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform rathole theatre means dudes in overcoats with old streetwalkers blowing them discreetely.
mircea_popescu: [unter diesen umstanden zu fuhren]. which, of course, is EXACTLY what the shitheads want.
mircea_popescu: it is unmoglich! as the gent said
phf: you hafta respect the arts, see, what are you some kind of philistine
mircea_popescu: what the shit.
mircea_popescu: i go watch women dance their ass off, i'm sitting at tables talking with friends and having drinks.
mircea_popescu: i'm not going to entertain these inept values.
mircea_popescu: the seating was arranged in layers, like on a stadium. the dancing was to happen on a fucking university stage.
mircea_popescu: not to say that there's anything wrong with ukulele or whatever else - but i perceive the snatch act is something the argentards wouldn't readily manage to digest. by which term we mean, of course, "reinterpret through the lens of their imbecility and thus render meaningless"
mircea_popescu: phf do me a favour and inquire with whoever's in charge what it'd take for them to do a show in buenos aires ?
phf: it's a loose knit group of european burners, but i'm not sure something like that can be taken outside burning man easily. we just provide the venue (i.e. build it out of home depot scaffolding and random junk) and people are welcome to come perform. but it's been going on for a while and the venue vibe is consistent from year to year, that some decent performers find it every year. the girl with the vagina, couple of operatic singers, guys with u
asciilifeform: http://special.lib.gla.ac.uk/exhibns/month/aug2009.html << the original lultronium, neatly collected by uni of glasgow
mircea_popescu: but the important point is to allow gradient. so it would be a continuous medium not a border thing
mircea_popescu: what's in the gel . welll.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, your design is flawed because "Your appendages are, in fact, resting on thin air, supported by arm-length gloves assembled from (ferrofluid? muscle wire?) microcells that can shift in position, stiffness, angle, temperature.". that's no good - they should rest in gel not thin air.
phf: it could be, girl's a blond, and the act is well rehearsed and improves from year to year, so i wouldn't be surprised if she does it elsewhere too
mircea_popescu: phf there's this blondy that has an epic stripping/magic act, same principle. i wonder if it's the same one.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what experiment is necessary ? https://aos.iacpublishinglabs.com/question/aq/700px-394px/long-baby-rabbits-stay-mother_c2bade73e49e674b.jpg vs https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71vHuqY2cpL._SX522_.jpg
phf: we host a vaudeville at burning man, we have a girl stop by every year, who does a striptease and then extracts objects of various complexity out of her snatch. mostly ribbons and eggs. i think there was one of those plastic chickens one time..
asciilifeform: btw mircea_popescu could, if so inclined, carry out the rabbit experiment using one of his pets, and tell how it went.
mircea_popescu: the notio nthat "my palm" or "top of my hand" is touching "warm" is obtainable i'd say.
asciilifeform: not very aimable though, at best you end up with the pain box from 'dune'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, re temperature : this is trivial for the box! there's this "weapon" idiocy of a beam which heats water in skin. not too practical as deployed, but perfectly usable in box - low latency.
asciilifeform: even the original toft never figured out how to get a live one in, and keep it alive
mircea_popescu: now that's postmodern theatre.
mircea_popescu: rabbit costs twenty bucks, get a young one. learning to hold it in for ten minutes is a day's entertainment. go out on stage, pop the thing, let it jump around (place carrots strategically prior).
asciilifeform: anyway the original incident was mighty lulzy, and quite reminiscent of modern scamatronics, and produced a great many caricatures, songs, etc at the time
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform does she actually shove live rabbit up her snatch behind the curtain and then squeezes it out on stage ?
asciilifeform: re earlier thread, the operetta is not on www, but there is a mary toft 'fan' site... https://theawl.com/how-to-give-birth-to-a-rabbit-18d158f78fcf#.u7n183jgd
Framedragger: and some exchanges will add 'ETHC' (classic non-HF ethereum) pairs. popcorn will be consumed
shinohai: f2pool announced earlier they will not mine on HF so it promises to be lulzy
Framedragger: more ethereum lols - https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4t82uq/replay_attack_redux_ef_devs_confirm_the_issue_is/ - so da developers are set on hard forking, but it is super unclear who's gonna support what. etherfolk are startled at the unthinkable possibility of two chains resulting from this mess. whoddathought. quality entertainment!
mircea_popescu: from bmi 30 onwards, each lb of fat carries the same excise as 1 ton of gasoline.
mircea_popescu: they seriously should be fined, monthly, per pound.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-17 04:02 BingoBoingo: In other lulz "A third metro-east facility was also cited in June for a nonlethal paperwork violation. Midwest Rehabilitation and Respiratory Center, a 180-bed intermediate and skilled care facility at 727 N. 17th St. in Belleville, was cited with a class A violation and fined $25,000 for failure to have an emergency evacuation plan in place for bariatric patients weighing more than 1,000 pounds. Midwest has requested a hearing, which wi
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-17#1503965 << incidentally, a 'volkswagen'-worth of fat mass is quite the fire hazard
mircea_popescu now wonders if idea is result of asciilifeform article sitting latent in memory, "forgotten" ; or if genuine case of "the obvious is obvious to all lookers".
a111: Logged on 2016-07-17 02:45 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform think of "glove" in the sense of, a cubic foot heavy box you stick hand into, move around
mircea_popescu: does "we take them out back and shoot them if there's any sort of an emergency" count as a plan ?
BingoBoingo: In other lulz "A third metro-east facility was also cited in June for a nonlethal paperwork violation. Midwest Rehabilitation and Respiratory Center, a 180-bed intermediate and skilled care facility at 727 N. 17th St. in Belleville, was cited with a class A violation and fined $25,000 for failure to have an emergency evacuation plan in place for bariatric patients weighing more than 1,000 pounds. Midwest has requested a hearing, which wi
BingoBoingo: "One spot that is getting more foot traffic than usual is the Jefferson County Jail, which is apparently an official in-game Pokestop, a place where players can gather items and catch Pokemon. One observer recalls seeing players staring at their phones as they walked around the jail's parking lot." http://www.riverfronttimes.com/artsblog/2016/07/14/pokemon-are-popping-up-in-strange-places-around-st-louis
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform think of "glove" in the sense of, a cubic foot heavy box you stick hand into, move around
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: where does the malbec claim to be from?
asciilifeform: but the nixon impersonator!! he was pure genius.
asciilifeform: also the malbec in dc is made from used tyres, it must be
asciilifeform: she is in the logz somewhere. 1720s.
asciilifeform just saw a play about mary toft, the 'rabbit birthing woman'
ben_vulpes: what do you need the precision for?
ben_vulpes: it is very well integrated with the major cad packages.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-15 17:31 asciilifeform: admittedly i want this for cad, rather than sierra gamez.
shinohai: nice. was going to do the bbq thing myself this weekend but got canceled
mircea_popescu: and in other boobs, http://66.media.tumblr.com/53d72e5773e1bb86c7442bbd7630b69a/tumblr_n7dg8l3q821rbii5ro1_500.gif
mircea_popescu: phf> "Intel is pushing a neat technique that could block malware infections on computers at the processor level." kek << because that's TOTALLY where they should be blocked. check it out, intel found the solution to badly written "dao" : HARD FORK!!1
mircea_popescu: mats> this presumption of air dominance is not clever << and even if it held, the drone bs is just lazy thinking.
jurov: "Intel is pushing a neat technique that could push malware infections on computers at the processor level."
phf: "Intel is pushing a neat technique that could block malware infections on computers at the processor level." kek
asciilifeform: like ethertardium.
BingoBoingo: Of course then will be placed in something more durable than thinset
BingoBoingo: The trendy option here is electric heating element set under flooring in thinset mortar
mircea_popescu: and yes, that's the correct solution if for entirely incomprehensible reason you absolutely must have electric space heater : submerge resistors in thermically heavy oil, ie, re-do the circulating water radiator under the new design constraints.
shinohai: I am glad to own an actual "estufa" made of cast iron, which cheerfully warms the house with a log or three.
mircea_popescu: anyway. the item is made locally principally because i suspect it'd be illegal to ship internationally.
shinohai: Look t the money we saved!
mircea_popescu: well nobody forces you to use the wrong plastic for your application, you know.
shinohai: Ihave seen a few space heaters here with thermoplastic cases, but they seem reasonably robust.
mircea_popescu: not like you couldn't have proper thermoplastics if you wanted to. the old item foot for instance is quite resistent to heat.
mircea_popescu: you should hear pinoy chix engage in their version of english.
oama: they speak thaiglish. which is like a totally different language
mircea_popescu: they do speak english in thailand amirite
mircea_popescu: and as phf can no doubt tell you, only orcs vocalize /ʎ/ as /ʃ/. and the worst kind, too.
mircea_popescu: (similarly argentines don't read ll/y properly, but as sh instead. hence /saˈkate la moˈʧiʃa/ instead of the god given /saˈkate la moˈʧiʎa/.)
gribble: The operation succeeded.