asciilifeform: patrol is about 3 mo. long, for largely psychiatric reasons (they COULD store moar phood, but do not)
asciilifeform: let's take a living example, the nuke sub
asciilifeform: in the abstract sense of 'box in which i can weld myself in and survive for Y years'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the transport vessel is a case of dome much in the way spontaneous healing of aids is a case of divine grace.
mircea_popescu: fiction may contain the emotions of the author, as a point for his compatriots to fixate on and navigate what otherwise is endless, meaningless, the sea of representation.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the transport vessel is a special case of 'dome'
mircea_popescu: if we'll colonize, it'll likely be venus before mars, and it'll likely be through planetary scale atmospheric intervention rather than "domes" wtf be those.
asciilifeform: the latter - is not necessarily.
asciilifeform: the former is a waste of mental cycles
asciilifeform: there is a distinction between the ~physically~ and ~economically~ impossible machine.
asciilifeform: as i picture it, 'orlov's boat' is simply a lower-tech variation of the theme of 'mars dome'
asciilifeform: i dun see the link.
mircea_popescu: there's fundamental breakage underlying this being "conceptualized" as a problem in the first place.
mircea_popescu: wait, that's actually the name of something ?
mircea_popescu: no, no. on one hand, i see your approach to be fundamentally flawed, for lack of experience. this is a practical consideration. on the other hand, i suspect the flaw may not be accidental, but proceed from psychogenic cause, which is unclear to me.
asciilifeform: he sees it as a 'how can i make green a prime number' or the like.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu doesn't even conceptualize the problem i'd like solved as being a problem.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-19 16:05 mircea_popescu: cuz the idea that you'd want to, in preference of, say, prison, is entirely shocking to me.
asciilifeform: go weather a storm in a diving bell.
mircea_popescu: toy subs, like the toy steam engine
mircea_popescu: the greeks ? ironically, thye did ya!
mircea_popescu: only land lubber could conceivably have this notion of the sea, as a sort of commodified milk in carton in fridge.
asciilifeform: they did not have subs.
mircea_popescu: you flatter yourself as to your choices on the sea.
phf: mircea_popescu: huh, i checked the plot and i was wrong, i was convinced that the protagonist was a lady
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform any serious one. and if they put you in general population, slit a throat or two, you'll get solitary and be happy.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform prison is right there with monastery. no people.
mircea_popescu: cuz the idea that you'd want to, in preference of, say, prison, is entirely shocking to me.
asciilifeform: i did not spend any time on mars, either
mircea_popescu: did you poke nose in the sense of actually spending any sort of time on water ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i actually poked nose into the subj, so not entirely innocent of 'yacht is 1,01 types of machine' concept
mircea_popescu: and the answer is that "yacht" only exists in mind of people too poor to have experience with the matter ; and otherwise it's a number of discrete items you're invited to pick amongst.
asciilifeform: it is a textbook 'cutting apart' item: what does yacht cost if you cut away all of the dirigible crapolade
mircea_popescu: yours is of the later kind.
mircea_popescu: no matter how sad you are, hair's not gonna jump off the scissors and back on your head ; no matter how emo you are, ocean still won't suddenly become a space allocator working as you want it to.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu simply doesn't grok the depth of asciilifeform's misanthropy.
mircea_popescu: this is in no substantial way different from the "Reisistance through culture" of the soviet "intellectuals" aka schmucks.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1505489 << it is a very naive view to "Antisocial" that you will ... find a daddy to enforce the limits for you. God ocean has better shit to do, just like yahveh has better shit to do.
trinque: phf: mostly speaking to that, yes. this guy with the $maxint boat probably spends plenty of time off it too
asciilifeform: trinque: i pay the equivalent of a nice car every year for this selection.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you can calculate the energy cannon firings release per firing. that goes into melting your platform.
trinque: phf: there's a contradiction in someone that just wants to techmology, doesn't want to have to talk to anyone. Technology is a social enterprise; if social conditions are that bad, there are problems more fundamental than "can't have real computer" and such.
asciilifeform: there was a test vessel, worked great.
mircea_popescu: ah well then.
mircea_popescu: different phenomena, with the former much narrower for good physical reasons.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform look, there's nothing wrong with this principle in principle, but electric performance and hydrodynamic performance are not the same thing
mircea_popescu: for that matter, recorded performance in both the time of venice owning the mediteranean and of portuguese empire in south china sea is not currently met by "performant" plastic boats.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-19 15:48 asciilifeform: iirc no one ever even ~tried~ the 'optimize for cost, survival boat' design prior.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1505505 << this is a ridiculous notion ; for one thing, polynesia got colonized prior to the age of sail.
asciilifeform: trinque: there is a great deal to be said for living in a shipping container
thestringpuller: trinque: http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/BN-KU141_blackl_G_20151015224318.jpg << not if your shipping container looks like this on the inside
trinque: this guy's got a lab, what, to continue taking part in the same world he can't stand?
trinque: if you've reached the point where the world has beaten you back to being willing to live in a shipping container, why live?
phf: and the problem he was trying to solve is a lot closer to what you want to achieve, i.e. put lab on water, rather than recreate the lifestyle of late 6th century pirate nomads or whatever
phf: asciilifeform: the latter
asciilifeform: phf: what was 'boat house' in context ? afaik the phrase usually refers to a fragile river barge thing, rather than machine to survive north atlantic
phf: nah, there was that other guy who built a computerized nomadic boat house (i think he started with a computerized recumbent bike in the 80s) and unlike orlol he actually documented his process very extensively
asciilifeform: iirc no one ever even ~tried~ the 'optimize for cost, survival boat' design prior.
mircea_popescu: people use plastic because cheaper plastic is cheaper than cheap wood, and there better.
asciilifeform: again the 'expensive' thing is rather like observing that f-16 parts are costly. yes, because golden toilet buyers. compare instead with mig.
mircea_popescu: nothing like the advantage doped silicone offers over old galene/lead whatevers.
mircea_popescu: the improvement plastics and composites (current generation, EXPENSIVE!) offer over selected historical wood is marginal, if at all present.
asciilifeform: even the yacht folks are using fiberglass/epoxy.
mircea_popescu: for the record, the hull design style of the vikings STILL IS! to this day! the best, fastest and so on.
asciilifeform: which is why i follow the subj.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the ibm example isn't so good. the sort of phenomena that were conquered to produce the 1k chickens 1950-1990 are very fucking different from the sort of phenomena the boat has to encounter,
asciilifeform: it is quite conceivable that there is item, which is recognizably a computer, but not one of the items for which ibm correctly assessed a market sized 5 units in '52.
mircea_popescu: phf i have nfi what any of the terms mean as used, for the record. we're in plebeconfusionland.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the market for "boathouse" is composed of people who already own townhouse in large town ; also prepared to spend by the million.
mircea_popescu: you may be interested ; but the market for "sailboat" is composed of people who already own say a race horse, or sponsor a speed racing team etc ; they're ready to spend by the million.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there is no "practical instrument" that is the unworkable cross between a hammer and a screwdriver.
mircea_popescu: best i can discern from the unexpected in this latest convo, he's trying to do something that makes no sense for the market, a sort of ostrich-camel of epic proportions.
asciilifeform: (of either amateur or usgistic variety)
mircea_popescu: see, a sailboat, ie, the thing you run sail and rigging championships etc with ? that thing has no generator, because it's heavy. most have no engine either, except where legally required on occasion, and the presence of engine is disdained universally. etc.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they are not made for this purpose, but he is attempting to design one which is..
mircea_popescu: i also never attempted to live in my shoes, or judge shoes by how "livable in" they are.
mircea_popescu: no, because they aren't made for this purpose.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes but did you attempt to ~live~ in them.
mircea_popescu: i also sailed proper sailboats ; which have no plumbing. under discussion here, both from the introduction of the article you quote, and from his "live in boat" general outlook, are pointedly NOT sailboats.
asciilifeform: might account for some of the 'wtf' factor.
mircea_popescu: equires one to become a contortionist. Another common problem is lack of space for both the arm (with which to work on things) and the head (with which to look at what you are doing), meaning that much of the work has to do be done by Braille.
mircea_popescu: to quote : "Boat plumbing systems are virtually never designed with ease of maintenance in mind; mostly they are an afterthought, not so much engineered as crammed together in any space thats available. A very common problem is that working on them requires the use of toolsscrewdrivers, channel locks, sockets with ratchetsbut there is no room to wield these tools in the normal manner, and just about every operation r
mircea_popescu: engineering took a sharp turn to sanity sometime in the 80s wrt to this sort of "vacuum spherical chicken" issue.
mircea_popescu: tbh i think it may rather be a matter of agwe
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno about his nonsense. every (admittedly, large, expensive) boat i've been in had detachable pannels. you first take the shit OFF, then fuck with the pipes gauges etc in the normal manner. yes it takes 3x as long as if you were doing house plumbing, but that's about it.
mircea_popescu never likes the results, but perseveres reading orlov linked material.
asciilifeform: so they weren't wholly disposable.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc the occasional harem washout was married off to a pasha
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform here, beyazit ordered paintings made for his father by bellini (sent from venice at sultan's request) sold in the bazaar and enough with this dumb shit.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform except who did any political business among the baths and wet tits ?! not really how it worked ; presuming the girl's not accepted back in... which is perhaps where the rub is.
mircea_popescu: there is such a thing as "why is e < 3??" "no reason" in nature, and from there in engineering. there isn't really such a thing in society, and from there in culture.
mircea_popescu: the basic, and really only, rule of hermeneutics is : that then you've understood a text when, far from its shortcomings appearing inexplicable errors, they become the actual pillars upon which the damned thing is constructed, and what originally seemed to you sensible and structural takes its true place as accidental.
asciilifeform: possibly the 'no surplus chix!' thing has similar root causes.
asciilifeform: for the same reason as parrot.
asciilifeform: they were forbidden in usg enclaves almost immediately
asciilifeform: there was a toy, 'furby', sorta a stuffed devil, that would randomly memorize bits of speech heard from microphone
mircea_popescu: mno, there usually is a reason.
asciilifeform: i.e., the item above.
asciilifeform: at the core is a buncha very arbitrary jumper settings.
asciilifeform: culture is the set of arbitrary window dressing that dun make sense.
mircea_popescu: it makes sense to give out the girls also, neh ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and yet they gave the nobles caftans, ie, "here's this holy piece of clothing, worth so much more than the fabric and cut to you because i'm giving it"
asciilifeform: always parked them in this old-palace-jail thing
mircea_popescu: you should read the poetry of the time, they were pretty drunk on a sort of adolescent male idealism perhaps best rendered as sportsfan-hiphop in today's terms.
shinohai: Logged 7-19-2016 08:39 +thestringpuller shinohai: they added steem to poloniex. shit is bubbling. i wish there was enough liquidity to go short. this is the ultimate bubble. <<<only teh American exchanges I see
mircea_popescu: but the principle of the thing. "if you love her set her free" apparently means something else in ottoman turkish.
mircea_popescu: unrelatedly, since i apparently fell in a barrel of reading old history, fellow describing "the cruelty" of mehmed 2 : "for some books stolen from his secretary he punished an entire village to be moved to asia ; for a stolen watermelon he took the life of a suspected janissary, and he did not back down from killing with his own hand the most adored being in the harem, who had shackled him with her exceptional beauty to the p
mircea_popescu: anyway, the code || ideology parallel should be pretty obvious. yes people run other [from their wot] people's text, but this is neither obligatory nor particularly encouraged. on the contrary, with ideology as with code as with "wot maintenance best practices" and as with any other text, heterogeny is the key to victory.
mircea_popescu sees in the scrollback that the fact of there being no log has already been mentioned :D
mircea_popescu: o darn there's no...
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller ah i cv
thestringpuller: shinohai: they added steem to poloniex. shit is bubbling. i wish there was enough liquidity to go short. this is the ultimate bubble.
thestringpuller: If shit really hits the fan with the hardfork, the doors are nailed shut indefinitely.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: "In addition, for those interested in keeping their tokens from the losing blockchain as a keepsake, we will support a one-time withdrawal of the deprecated tokens, provided that the losing chain is still functional when you attempt a withdrawal. Specific instructions on how to access your tokens on the old chain to follow."
mircea_popescu: not that it's much of a concern, there's exactly ONE customer doing eth on poloniex. but as a theoretical thing.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller and if there's two chains surviving, customer gets one poloniex gets to keep the other ?
mircea_popescu: so to sum up, the process is more like washing than anything else. gunk removal.
mircea_popescu: something that may appear as a subcase but i believe is not (not that the dispute is all that relevant) and in any case is more numerous is the jwz : the fellow that "just wants to" keep right on being lazy.
mircea_popescu: this is always and everywhere personal failure, sometimes a forced mistake (like the female's universal "wanting kids to survive", which is stupid but nevertheless part of her ample array of genital curses)
mircea_popescu: a few of them, recently called the "hopefuls" but otherwise simply the incarnation of evil, are capable of handling the statement of their assumptions, but are unwilling to separate themselves from what "they want", which is usually stupid but that's not something they're prepared to face.
mircea_popescu: obviously, most derps are, owing to fundamental genetic insufficiency, unable to handle the plain statement of their assumptions. these, we call cattle.
mircea_popescu: so the way deculturation works is, derp comes to tmsr, makes statements, which belie assumptions, which are explicitly stated BY someone in tmsr for the first time in derp's experience, and then rejected explicitly. sometimes a cause is presented, but this is not particularly "better" than none being offered. the burden is on the derp ANYWAY.
mircea_popescu: (take for instance the "independent" demo as described in http://trilema.com/2016/please-stop-using-dns-already-and-other-considerations/#footnote_6_65060 and more generally by Ballas. it's well over 100k loi, most of which are involved with covering up the fact that there's any ideology at work in the first place)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-17#1504193 << there is no $ideology per se ; tmsr is principally characterized by lack of ideology. everyone else has one, however, and they're often patently insane and amazingly complex.
thestringpuller: Also they are nailing the doors shut on Ether tomorrow until "clear winner": "As a Poloniex customer, you do not need to do anything. The migration will occur automatically, and your full balance of Ethereum will be transferred to the winning chain. Keep in mind that as we near the fork, we will be temporarily disabling deposits and withdrawals in preparation for the migration process. Trading will continue to operate as normal during
thestringpuller: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4tj82o/hes_back_with_stupid_tweets_now_comparing_the/d5hrewa << for those wanting to follow the brain damage.
thestringpuller: "I've noticed a trend with these guys. They're too dumb to even know they are clowns. Well I guess they're focused on the present and not the future. Money counts for these guys. He's nothing but a banker selling btc." and has reply >> "Dunning–Kruger effect" It's odd reading comments like that on reddit.
mircea_popescu: the psychopathology around "anonymity" is kinda facinating to watch.
mircea_popescu: actually, nsa is that incompetent, but that's besides the point.
mircea_popescu: and in other homemade spaceship news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/b98c7d3b963b8365c786c382be4f6b25/tumblr_nlmu53Wilr1u25ct8o2_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: "your buttons are not connected to anything in particular - please push them at will!"
shinohai: http://archive.is/RiRfl "We still reserve the right to act against the voting result in case there are security issues identified in the hard fork code or the pool will end up on the non-winning chain".
Framedragger: asciilifeform: aha! hey might as well start with this, sounds good - thanks for the idea
asciilifeform: the rest, described earlier.
asciilifeform: every modulus that turns up at more than 1 addr, gets a colour (which colour? use 4colourmaptheorem)
a111: Logged on 2016-07-18 17:38 asciilifeform: it would not take long to snarf them up and 2d plot by ip
a111: Logged on 2016-07-18 17:39 asciilifeform: (a mod with 2 or more ips gets a colour; plot each ip on the traditional 2d grid, and connect with line of that colour.)
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1504951 + http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1504952 << ah missed this in logs on first read. for the 2d plot, did you mean ip against moduli for the axes?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it is the only way if you're going to have people with 0 in common use your thing.
mircea_popescu: (ie, it relied on you having a mental map of structure which it wouldn't render, or not render well. without it, it was unusable, which is why the illiterate couldn't use it well, didn't like to use it at all, and the "free form" html prevailed)
asciilifeform: the reason to remember it is - to recall that html-style 'payload can be anything and arbitrarily grungy' retardation is not the only way.
mircea_popescu: it was fundamentally flawed, among other things, by a structure externality.
Framedragger: yeah i have this stupid nostalgia for things of that kind even though i haven't experienced them myself >.<
mircea_popescu: anyway, one good thing gopher had that's still sorely missed was, you'd query someone's org and get their email.
asciilifeform: so then.
mircea_popescu: half the medical papers consisted of scans of photos.
a111: Logged on 2014-11-15 15:55 pete_dushenski: "the crews that maintain the nation’s 450 intercontinental ballistic missiles had only a single wrench that could attach the nuclear warheads. “They started FedExing the one tool” to three bases spread across the country"
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1505197 << (i was prolly too young to ever properly try it in the wild but fwiw it rang a bell to me multiple times when looking at tmsr discussions, yeah. not that it's time to revive it or anything i guess)
a111: Logged on 2016-07-18 18:18 asciilifeform: i'll admit that i've wondered for a while, what the ft meade version of phuctor looks like.
a111: Logged on 2014-11-15 15:55 pete_dushenski: "the crews that maintain the nation’s 450 intercontinental ballistic missiles had only a single wrench that could attach the nuclear warheads. “They started FedExing the one tool” to three bases spread across the country"
trinque: the things my mind indexes
mircea_popescu: well in fairness - it did flush, which is how it ended up on reddit. you're the one gone plumbing.
mircea_popescu: the one thing a true blue american really abhors is any form of responsibility.
mircea_popescu: ahaha are these the slock.it imbeciles still trying to dodge the obvious "we suck, and we lied about it, and it blew up in our face, and we destroyed your trust and we will now go die quietly" ?
shinohai: "TheDAO and HF have already led to a lot of learning, bug fixes, additional research and development of contracts and platform, consensus building, and user education. So the Ethereum platform is already more valuable than before."
a111: Logged on 2016-07-18 18:01 jurov: you actually tried lynx? as we are speaking, it claims to read 30MB, at 340KiB/sec, and the keeps getting down
asciilifeform: so it pulled in the whole shebang.
asciilifeform: was sorta stuck with it, because the rfc4880 parser was a python lib, and i did not have time to write one from scratch.
Framedragger: trinque: no but i agree and won't argue the opposite!
mircea_popescu: no iirc they used flask.
trinque: Framedragger: django et al are enemies of the republic
mircea_popescu: for spanish speakers the difference is negligible.
trinque: the right way to build this is to have a table which points to a view name, an output type, some field mappings from the outputs of the view to the parameters of the output type
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it doesn't matter what you hang off pci, there is a ~10x variance of front-side vs back-side bus
trinque: so then why do it?
mircea_popescu: so then your ram can do 200 iops and a quad ssd raid can do about 300k. ie, 10^3 moar :D
mircea_popescu: Framedragger for the sake of argument : ddr3 does say 2k cycles and latency is about 10 ; proper ssd does what, 100k iops on a 4k block ?
Framedragger: re sane web, there were semi-decent attempts which have made use of. for example, declare db model in python file, make $framework produce a working api over that model, incl implementing all the http methods corresponding to operations (GET, POST, PUT, DELETE)
Framedragger: then.. plz continue :D
mircea_popescu: anyway, if you make a proper profiling sometime we can go through it and see. but, you're right wrt squeezing the software first if it can be squeezed.
asciilifeform: my best thought so far is the nightly static html thing.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: seeking. but really i'd rather optimize the proggy than add to the (already gigantic) recurring cost.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-18 19:37 trinque: the missing tool here sounds like a generic reporting engine that speaks SQL and farts graphs, CSV
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1505151 << possibly this can be hacked up by putting data into postgres, and then allowing read-only sql access via one of them web-access-to-your-db things.
trinque: cmdbot is 232 lines of the stuff, can ghost nick, reconnect properly
mircea_popescu: and in other "hope for the hopefuls" news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/56c2e25b663d2159e09edaadb9191b8e/tumblr_nb24e741rw1qc2yxpo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: time to take that shit back, just because "it has images" is no excuse for the existence of say firefox.
mircea_popescu: going back to history for a minute here - at first there was the text internet ; and then as bw and hdds grew up and people could have gifs of samatha fox's snatch rather than ascii art of same, they all rushed to... basically, this shitfest of netscape, internet exploder etc.
trinque: one part eats IRC and writes to postgresql, sends pg_notify to connected db clients that there are new rows; another listens for new rows in an outbox table to write to the chan
trinque: which is the core of deedbot
mircea_popescu: and a goat is closer to a young woman than any old whore - it's tighter down there.
asciilifeform: in some ways it was closer to the hypothetical item in this thread than any variant of www.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform once there exist as many as five proper pages, you can have a proper browser.
asciilifeform: this is almost the c machine thread again.
mircea_popescu: the big problem is that lazy thinkers and "hopefuls" of all stripes have made it into their comfortable home. this can't fucking stand.
mircea_popescu: in short : the web is very, very broken - but most of the breakage isn't even in the software. yes apache sucks and wtf is js even.
trinque: I confess to having already written parts of the thing.
mircea_popescu: a tiny example, but indicative of the conceptual difference.
mircea_popescu: but the "media properties", from "one side" to "the other same side" of "the spectrum" ... do not.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i will note that this was theoretically the promise of ~every 'framework' ever published, but each and every single one cancerously deviated from it
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> 'the meaning DAO's contract' --> 'the meaning of DAO's contract' ?? << fxd
mircea_popescu: whreas the fucking internet is not made to be a cable tv substitute omfg. website should mean that the user can do a bunch of shit, according to what he may need, some of which not necessarily foreseen by author.
mircea_popescu: trinque incidentally, i suspect the entire website model is dumb as presented. currently, under pressure from ustards/business majors/other unwelcome masses, a website is a collection of webpages that is very similar to how a tv show is a collection of tv frames. MAYBE they'll let the user have a tivo, but that's at the most.
mircea_popescu: shit, among all this actual productive work i nearly missed the lulz explosion on qntra.
trinque: I have need for the reporting thing myself anyway
asciilifeform: it pulls in the crud and lacks anything like 'USE' flags to kill it
trinque: the missing tool here sounds like a generic reporting engine that speaks SQL and farts graphs, CSV
asciilifeform: afaik the lisp folks here are all using hunchentoot
trinque: plenty of lisp tools there too; I've used hunchentoot plenty
mircea_popescu: myeah. but it's modular anyway, so. until such a time, we just need a hm. either php or lisp i guess. or maybe hammer the extant python-whatcha call it into shape.
asciilifeform: but i'm not averse to doing the chore when it comes time.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1504940 << basically you can start your own nsa on this basis ; prolly get better results by the end of the year than the original.
asciilifeform: it is probably the ~least~ complicated piece, actually.
mircea_popescu: anyway. in practice there's also nginx, which i doubt is any better ; and i don't foresee our writing of a web server right nao.
mircea_popescu: you know what the name comes from right ?
mircea_popescu: this only partially solves the www problem though. servers have to be lovingly helped to stay up over ddos etc crapolade ; why the fuck does apache not work properly etc etc. but these we can abstract for now i hope.
asciilifeform: without my or anybody else having to sit there and write a table shitter
mircea_popescu: there's prolly room for rss or somesuch also.
asciilifeform: the ~sane way to do wwwtronics would be a thing that would, when given a db made with particular constraints, cleanly present it wwwtronically.
mircea_popescu: it doesn't automatically have to be "send your data to X guy who runs the official data-dump server"
mircea_popescu: anyway ; the borders are fluid, the "data dissemination" part can just live as a "this is the official tmsr web package ; install it like so ; it's maintained by these people ; it does these things we want exactly right and no more"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'm sorry, were you saying "i am a flaming retard right now, so what i'm proposing is moving gb of crud around for no other purpose than to communicate a kb of information" ? i interpreted it to mean "what if i actually have 1 gb of information, can i pass that ?"
asciilifeform: so we lose the realtime display.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so ? you push out csv's ; someone displays them.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-18 17:23 Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1504774 << ftr, there's a consensus mechanism, so it's not "everything works or everything's broken"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1504937 << in practice a "consensus mechanism" as seen to work among angloderps guarantees everything's broken all the time, but they don't feel too bad about it.
asciilifeform: and to have the ability to introduce new ones quickly.
mircea_popescu: anyway. why would you say they are not ?
mircea_popescu: well the alternative is me flying over to washington with a rubber hose and pounding you into loving www.