phf: i'm thinking of moving it to cock box, but i doubt that's going to be better, since the policy there sets it up to be an attack box
mircea_popescu: enemies of the revolution everywhere! must stay vigilant, comrades!
phf: ben_vulpes: like clockwork. i will do the tmsr thing and claim that wreckers are blackholing teh server
ben_vulpes: "There's a possibility they may not be the only ones that are doing this, but right now we feel if they are the only ones that are doing this, with this arrest we hope we will be able to curb the amount of thefts occurring," said Woods. << quote i'd meant to drop last night re the carlol
trinque: the thing just establishes a connection and shits messages into db, reads messages to send from db
trinque: all problems mine has involve the various nickserv states; sasl auth solves that
trinque: asciilifeform: I mean perfect in the latter sense
asciilifeform: trinque: naggum expounded on the difference between the 2 basic types of program (and program-writer) - the 'exam-taking', 'solved problem!11 i'm done!' and 'reusable, readable, for the ages'
trinque: relatedly I've read cl-irc and the thing is a haphazard mess
asciilifeform: cpp is unusable on its own, ergo the babel.
BingoBoingo: Pretty much the only reason any Americans still have "their" cars appears to be that their cars suck
asciilifeform: 'In some states, making a clean, quiet repo isn't just a safety matter, it's a legal necessity. Some state laws require that all repos happen without creating a "breach of the peace." That means that if the owner notices the repo in progress and comes out of the house yelling and screaming, the repo agent can't legally repossess the car. Of course, it's in the repo man's best interest to avoid a scene like this, but how?'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what's the physical diff b/w 'repo' truck and conventional tow ?
asciilifeform: in other lulz, the https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7910/files ('segwit') crapolade is still going strong in prbland.
mircea_popescu: so i think i invented a new cocktail. you cut up a fresh ripple pineapple, into small chunks. you pour an inch of fine cognac into an old style whiskey glass. you proceed to dip the chunks and eat them.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> what, i wonder, are the stats for u.s. car repo ? << Behold how normal the repo trucks look now! Some even have boring original factory truck bed!!! http://www.ebay.com/bhp/repo-wrecker
mircea_popescu: in which sense, while mediatory strategies exist, working through modifying the environment - the fact that it needs modifying has not been resolved ; and so the genotype is still shitty.
mircea_popescu: it can't mean anything more/above that ; there's no absolute shitty.
mircea_popescu: there is that, yes.
asciilifeform: (e.g., the infamous tapeworm cure for allergy)
asciilifeform: allergy has 'hygiene hypothesis'
mircea_popescu: what's the mechanism for allergies ? shitty immune system. how about autism ? etc.
mircea_popescu: the reason is that nature explores in the male not in the female ; and consequently there's much more variance in the male than in the female ; and because they're all kept alive...
asciilifeform: other than incontinent invalids, infants
mircea_popescu: most genetically-sane kids don't ever piss the bed.
mircea_popescu: which is dangerous, because if she's picked as well as orwell's dumb whore of a mother picked, the derp won't even try it he sucks so bad.
mircea_popescu: her intent is that if she manages, your father won't have to kill you.
mircea_popescu: there is no intent.
asciilifeform: you don't distinguish, the difference is a conventional one, 'colour of bits'
mircea_popescu: have you been brainwashed into disbelieving there's as many points in a line as in a plane ?
asciilifeform: aaactually you can get quite a bit of 'bang for the buck' purely with internalized 'enforcement', i.e. brainwash.
mircea_popescu: eventually a "king's representative" showed up, and this event marks the end of the classical period, and the start of the modern, ie decay.
mircea_popescu: more to the point, the "classical village" is an entity that survived fine with a dazzling array of law and regulation that a) exceeds in complexity modern codes and b) was entirely oral in nature while at the same time having... no police. at all, i mean. none. zip.
asciilifeform: i always pictured 'church' as a sort of animal that lives in the cracks of 'state'
mircea_popescu: then again i spent some time dripping wax on bare tits in 5 century old euro churches, also.
mircea_popescu: the difference between "don't ever fuck a girl in this building, nor drip candle wax on her bare tits while she kneels on this particular wood plank" is no different from "don't call fat people niggers and don't park where that drawing is"
mircea_popescu: no, in the sense of any ethics (ie, an attempt to implement morals) is equal to any other.
asciilifeform: in the sense where all arbitrary convention (and the division of the celestial-terrestrial magisteria thing is quite arbitrary thing) is hallucination.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the church-state difference is entirely hallucinatory in nature.
mircea_popescu: but the problem is that even here the republic wins : the tax it collects is an optimum on the capital allocation curve
mircea_popescu: this is important. qualitatively it is exactly as much a state as any usg flavour. the discussion may be carried in quantitative terms,
asciilifeform: imho tmsr 'tax' is more closely analogous to church tithe.
mircea_popescu: the republic manages to extract tax without a tax extractor.
mircea_popescu: let's carry the discussion in terms of tax, always and everywhere the most nevralgic point of the statal model.
asciilifeform: without law enforcement in the modern (e.g., 18th c. brit) sense, yes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform mno. law can exist without "law enforcement". to equate the two is very much part of the statal delusion.
asciilifeform: there is, say, folks waltzing around and shakin' down folks on the street for their lunch money. and state wants this privilege for itself, yes.
asciilifeform: well how else? what kind of 'law breaker' is there without law ??
mircea_popescu: contrary to what the state likes to claim, it is always "law enforcement" that creates "the criminal element" ; never the other way around. first there was a police, then there was a "law breaker"
mircea_popescu: in general tehnologeala weakens the consumer ; advantages the gangster. except of course in practice it works to split the gangster into levels of consumerism.
asciilifeform: automatic car has circus-level potential for lulz, via induced laziness in 1,001 types of people - say, what kind of policeman might there be, once a routine arrest consists of instructing arrestee's car to take him to clink instead of work the next morning
mircea_popescu: slight improvement over current state of the art.
mircea_popescu: can't say i'm entirely opposed to the idea. then i can just log into facebook backend, direct selected womenz to preferred fuckpad ?
asciilifeform: i can already picture sad sacks banging on the doors of mercedes in their driveways, tears
mircea_popescu: "i'm not. they stole it."
mircea_popescu: "this is a car sold without the intent of its owner". to answer the perennial tyre-kicking question of "so why're you selling it"
mircea_popescu: so frequent in fact the manufacturers introduced a special category of "not new, but as-new" to cover for it.
mircea_popescu: i used to regularly humiliate them for their sheer ignorance, back in the days i almost cared.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's an academy. it is very much vessenes-style ; and always has been.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, not most of them, because intelligent people are lazy and cowardly.
mircea_popescu: (in other lulz : ro admits both technologie and technologeala as imports for "technology". the first is commonly used ; the latter is a portmanteau of tech and ologeala, which is the noun describing the "fact of having been made olog, ie, unable to walk". quite appropriately.)
asciilifeform: what, i wonder, are the stats for u.s. car repo ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform good thing they "solved" the old mechanical lock problems then huh! viva progess & technology.
asciilifeform: 'The two men apparently used a laptop and pirated software to start the vehicles and take off. HPD said the vehicles made it into Mexico. ... HPD said it's nearly impossible to stop this high-tech crime especially if someone else has the same pirated software.'
mircea_popescu: in other news holy shit ffmpeg is a fine example of how not to do a -h switch. it overruns default terminal buffer!
mircea_popescu: possiblyt the most abused vernam cypher in history.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what's your call, because the matter is quite acute : is it a safer system to demand 8kb entropy/second and hash 12 times ? or to demand say 128bytes/second and hash 768 times ?
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, as long as the input isn't actually fucking 0... maybe urandom can survive with this.
mircea_popescu: if we actually go with a 12-pass hashing method, this then will require > 8kb of entropy/second from the client, which isn't possibru without dedicated rng fountain.
mircea_popescu: with the possible exception of pm, which should be a separate function, and point-to-point. (ie, client encrypts to dest's key, not to server's key)
mircea_popescu: not a serious problem, i really intend to simply include a chat client. didn't mention this in the fls, but... all comms should be over irc anyway.
mircea_popescu: ok. so the reasonable move here would be to spec this to transport 10kbps from client to server ; in chunks no longer than 2048 and no shorter than 32.
mircea_popescu: and by the revision we're doing we hope to cut this... in half ? by 90% ?
diana_coman: aha; might be worth mentioning too that average can be dubious, since you'll get more likely spikes when lots of things happen where you are and otherwise some very low regular exchanges
mircea_popescu: meh wait, i did the 8 conversion the wrong way. 50kbps ~= 10 messages / s if they average 600bytes each
mircea_popescu: so for an average message size of say 600 bytes, the server on average sends 800 messages to the client each second, and the client back about 1-200. that sound right ?
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, asciilifeform currently eulora messages exchanged between client and server are between 43 and 2048 bytes (really upper limit and rarely seen); this being said, the current system of messages/ exchanges between eulora client and server is quite a mess from many points of view, so it's set to be changed too
mircea_popescu: and then that "trash the dress" bullshit. looks exactly like a donna dolore set for the first two minutes, then it turns out the director isn't present and shit goes downhill from there.
mircea_popescu: "if i can't comfortably lift the girl in the air, maybe it's time to work out! or maybe it's time to find another girl!" thought no groom ever. "if my wedding threatens to look exactly like the wedding of every other bourgeois idiot, maybe it's time to take off the dress" thought every bride ever, AND THEN CHICKENED OUT ON IT. etc etc.
mircea_popescu: there's only so many ways you can anchor gauze in a tree so it appears windblown.
mircea_popescu: all of them are ooooobviously "speshul". except... all of them are obviously the same fucking thing, the fuck are you gonna do out of a dork who doesn't own suits and a rando girl in a white gauze marshmellow ? within an acceptable budget ?
mircea_popescu: se daddy's artistique. hopefully the wife fucks around with a non-beta. but anyway :
mircea_popescu: possibly one of the more depressing activities available in contemporaneity is checking out the portofolio of one of those "artist" photographers that in practice survives out of taking wedding pictures. i don't mean the friend-of-the-bride etsy idiot that DOESN'T survive. i mean the dude who keeps a steady stream of work enough to feed a family, provided that family somehow decided to do on half the income of a plumber becau
mircea_popescu: like, if ethereum-classic created some dilutive ethereum coins to pay off random idiots to run their chain instead of the ethereum-fork. or vice-versa.
mircea_popescu: anyway. greenmail is an antieconomic activity, in the sense that management group A divests capital goods in order to pay management group B to no longer pretend like it could do a better job of managing said capital goods.
mircea_popescu: also i find now that the webternet is retarded. investopedia definition for instance is pretty nonsensical. i guess pinoy everywhere.
mircea_popescu: that's the core of that concept.
mircea_popescu: which is also why start-up paying anything but warrants/options/stock is primo nonsense. but then again a no-nonsense approach would shut off most of the morti di fame who like to pretend they're participating in the economy, as they'd have to get proper jobs instead of aspie-ing all over town.
mircea_popescu: ie, labour is when you engage a stable of cowsies to die in your stable, circulating company scrip between the company store and the company workshop. then wages actually contribute to assets.
mircea_popescu: i've yet to see a start-up engage actual labour, in the classical sense of this term.
mircea_popescu: the sort of "salaries" start-ups pay have more in common with greenmail than with the proper concept of salary.
mircea_popescu: anyway. the scheme is both correct and very, VERY fucking scary to "start-ups", because within 12 to 18 months, ~100% of all their capital turns to "sweet parties we have thrown". which is a sad reality they dun wanna look in the face, especially not while trying to get someone/anyone to give them moar money.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the whole job of valuating a public corp reduces to adding the proper factors to those 3 categories.
mircea_popescu: seems a rather correct description of reality, too.
mircea_popescu: the difference being that the tangible you can turn back to cash whenever you want to ; whereas the intangible you gotta wait for it to decide on your own.
trinque: and the fucking bug is "mom my toy is too slow" not "HOLY FUCK THIS TOUCHES THE NETWORK WITHOUT BEING ASKED"
trinque: https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=20015 << if the world ever rights "helpful" is going to be a euphemism for "tries to slip dick in when you turn your back"
trinque: you'd like to think your machine will with default settings not take it upon itself to diddle the network
trinque: yeah, hamhanded probing for whether you have ControlMaster support in your ssh
trinque: in other lol today I discover that emacs tries to ssh to host.does.not.exist at every start
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: how does the server rental fee make sense as "intangibles and goodwill"?
asciilifeform: this kind of thing is a large part of why crypto implementation tends to show the attributes of religious ritual
asciilifeform: 'i cannot reverse it, thereby no one can!' etc.
asciilifeform: 'this appears to jumble the bits well, ergo cryptographically strong'
asciilifeform: the unfortunate thing about hashes is that they are every bit the voodoo that block ciphers are.
mircea_popescu: only in this context the decision to "add it" or "not add it" can be said to make any sort of fucking sense.
mircea_popescu: in this case : here is the security loss from adding a 13th step to the 12 step scheme : 79. here is the security loss from not adding it, because rng starvation : 45.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in order for management to make decisions, all items must be put in the form a > b.
asciilifeform: unfortunately crypto schemes are not really experimentally testable on 'human' timescales - in the sense that even the dumbest algo appears to 'work great!111' until one day, likely quietly, it does not.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no i'm not discussing here "a way to community consensus". the question is quite specific : given 12 passes, tell me how much strength i lose adding a 13th.
mircea_popescu: (a large part of this project is me trying to field-evaluate crypto schemes in the first place)
mircea_popescu: anyway because messages are highly structured to begin with, there's a whole lotta attacking surface available.
mircea_popescu: well, at least theoretically.
mircea_popescu: if he decyphers the 1st he gets 12 messages.
mircea_popescu: if he decyphers the 12th in a 12pass scheme he gets 1 message.
mircea_popescu: so it's impossible to make a rational decision here, from both ends. win-win, as they say.
asciilifeform: the one obvious gotcha is that if enemy can decipher (perhaps via known plaintext) ONE instance in the stream, he has the rest !
mircea_popescu: but anyway, it's ok that there isn't : there ALSO isn't a way to evaluate strength loss due to "rng" starvation.
mircea_popescu: basic cryptoquestion i do not expect an answer to : is there a way to evaluate strength loss by hash pass in a scheme where otp is hashed and the hash used as next pass otp, for N passes of this ?
asciilifeform: (this will determine how much optimizatory massage the item would need.)
asciilifeform: perhaps diana_coman will be able to give rough picture of the bit rate.
mircea_popescu: that part is not hard : a) you get a client ; b) you write it a drop-in wrapper for the messaging - this should be one function/class + the keygen. the same class should be used by server the same way, which we'll do the integration of.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-06#1515769 << yes. also will need some detail re the desired glue (where subsystem plugs in? etc)
asciilifeform: the one sticking point may be entropy starvation on certain systems (it is my understanding that a number of eulora players are stuck on winblowz)
mircea_popescu: currently the "what happens past key generation" and "there's an otp" part is left pretty loophole-y
mircea_popescu: hm. im guessing we'll get together with diana_coman and write a spec ? unless you want to propose one ?
mircea_popescu: gotta admit the idea is promising. so lessee...
asciilifeform: answer would depend on what is specced, but if spec will substantially reflect linked trilema article, then, likely, not, and not.
asciilifeform: soooo, http://trilema.com/2016/eulora-forward-looking-statement-august-2016 << 'From a technical perspective, the RSA migration is intended to work on the following scheme : RSA privkey is generated correctly ; this key and the server's key are used to pass OTPs between client and server' is fundamentally Right Thing.
mircea_popescu: one of the best parts of ba this time of years is the invasion of freesia. wunderbar.
asciilifeform: most usa 'expats' are as close to escaping truly as i am to the moon by jumping with all my might.
mircea_popescu: "if you're the sort of guy who almost escaped the homeshitland, wouldn't you like to register in a cigna-powered "community of trust" ????"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: these are literally inexhaustible.
mircea_popescu: which is the correct strategic choice, once the opponent has demonstrated the ability to behead your "academic" assets, zerg him with the academic aspie assets. they surely got the "man"-hours anyway.
asciilifeform: i walked past the fed bldg in washington not long ago, and did not notice a neon sign asking for noobs to go in.
mircea_popescu: and the various noise groups are both incapable mentally of using a wot and actually very affraid of locking out newbies because they perceive an (wholly hallucinated, but w/e, they're immersed in socialist ideology) existential threat : "they'll die without noobies"
mircea_popescu: anyway. it's altogether unclear how on earth one will wipe them this time. intelligently they're no longer using a gavin, but ~an anon hydra.
mircea_popescu: but yes, having the "fork" nonsense defeated, and the "we'll promote a shitcoin" defeated leaves the usg.lizzards ... one option.
mircea_popescu: changed block headers, the works.
asciilifeform: why the replacement-gavin.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in the land of the lulcowz, https://botbot.me/freenode/bitcoin-core-dev/2016-08-05/?msg=70809464&page=1
PeterL: I seem to remember they have a nice museums for art and science on the campus, my dad would take me there a couple times a year as a kid
mircea_popescu: now i wonder if he had to sit facing the wall.
mircea_popescu: nowadays a rather banal observation, but i guess not quite as crystallized in 2012.
mircea_popescu: seems to be the case that for as long as you interact with idiots, what you do doesn't really matter all that much.
mircea_popescu: considering a large part of the historical beef with tardstalk was over mismanagement of shitposting rights for idiots, the adventure of r/bitcoin is not particularly encouraging.
mircea_popescu: anyway, this is the special preserve r/btc where the idiots went once theymos took away their shitposting rights in r/bitcoin
mircea_popescu: what the fuck am i re...
asciilifeform: r if you just extrapolate. It eventually must fall, as the burden of forking away is not that large...'
asciilifeform: '...What people are failing to understand about cryotocurrencies is that insofar as there is friction entailed in forking away we will see some government-type behavior from dev teams. We need to understand both that this will always happen... The trick as an investor is to not get spooked during that period where the pressure is building but still not big enough to overcome the friction. Where it looks like the wall will hold foreve
asciilifeform: '...when Gavin was leading development it seemed like there was no reason to panic or rock the boat. He's reasonable and not a member of the perfectly decentralized everyone-runs-a-full-node-at-home-in-moms-basement-on-bare-metal fairy tale woo-woo cult.'
asciilifeform: 'The July 2016 estimate was not part of the agreement, and certainly not a deadline. It was (at the time) a reasonable expectation based on the agreement terms. Speaking only for myself, I made the promise with sincerity, and intend to uphold it best I can (despite the almost immediate violation by one of the parties).' << can anyone translate this to human language ?
mircea_popescu: in other ~news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/42006c6cccd7173d3ec31dc18af50f15/tumblr_n8fd1qxoOv1ravtw5o9_400.gif
hanbot: lol "Want (MP) the one who put out that hot notice on sipa one time?"
mircea_popescu: apparently r/btc exists to collect the various idiots who never heard of obama and think the russians invaded atlanta, georgia like a decade ago.
hanbot: next piece is just the wall, entitled, "i promise it's just ketchup"
mircea_popescu: wait, there's more ?
hanbot: you mean the concrete cornfield? i wish it were a single statue.
mircea_popescu: wtf is with the potatoes already ? you know they have a fucking STATUE of like... corn, in ohio ?
mircea_popescu: but they made pc peripherals 20 years ago
mircea_popescu: sure, and there's a nasdaq tmsr, and some canadian band ; and thorium-molten salt reactors and what have you.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-05#1515260 << eg repl-in-crystalspace? or must run crystalspace but then can attach an emacs repl to it?
asciilifeform: moar lulz, https://www.yubico.com/2016/05/secure-hardware-vs-open-source << who recall this turd? from the age of mtgox? it is now IMPROVED!1111 with moar closedsoresness!111 and has lengthy and hilarious justification thereof.
mircea_popescu: you know, someone had a similar problem due to ancient gfx card / old drivers or somesuch. iirc there's a solution to tone down world items.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the article mentioned earlier gave a locus. will post when i find it, prolly will have to dig through optical disks.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so how do you find out if you have the erdos gene ?
mircea_popescu: PeterL ironically, the reason i'm convinced it's genetics is that of the (~half dozen) girls i encountered with the problem, ALL hated nordic fish
PeterL: could be both (needs some enzyme to get through gut, another to change the complex coordination in liver so the rest of the body can use it)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'd bet that the iron is at least partly 'red herring', and you need some enzyme that magicks the absorption
asciilifeform: if adlai or PeterL recall the paper, plx link.
PeterL: might have to do with how the iron is complexed with organics in the liver, mostly non-complexed in the pill
asciilifeform: and they had an identifiable mutation.
mircea_popescu: through complex interactions with their dna no less.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in the intestine ? LOTS of it. the intestinal surface is just as fucking complex as the brain. it selects certain bacterial populations ffs.
asciilifeform: where two sets of people were fed dopaminergic (some amphetamine or other) and then tortured with puzzles, etc. subjectively both pools 'liked', but only one set actually outscored
mircea_popescu: so you next suppose "oh, it's because the pill creates this point with a gradient, whereas livers are distributed". so you grind it into a dust, mix it in say, humus. nnnnnope...
asciilifeform: there was actually an interesting experiment, one of the VERY few useful 'human genetic sequence' finds i know of,
mircea_popescu: intuitively, you'd think "oh well, there's these many oxidative presentations of iron, i've tried them all, time for you to say goodbye to life". yet, chiken liver works. bloody steak somewhat but not as greatly (and only with proper red wine anyway, so clearly oxidative pathway)
asciilifeform: who the fuck even knows how much individual variation is accounted for by 'different uptake of x'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: would be interesting to learn why the chicken liver worx
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, good for you then. but generally in modern anemia the problem is bad genetics leading to poor intestinal uptake.
mircea_popescu: the piddly coffee i drink, drowned in milk as it is, has ~0 effect i can discern.
asciilifeform: fed it the very same iron pill, to substantial effect.
mircea_popescu: and they had chicken livers in 5000 ad, also.
mircea_popescu: errofuckitsmother and etc. girl doesn't absorb, has to go on diet of chicken livers and so on. THAT works.
mircea_popescu: what IS a very bad analogy however, that i let pass though i shouldn't have, is the fucking iron pill. you don't know this, because insufficient exposure ; but i run a farm of women my whole life and let me tell you that a) pernicious anemia is still a fucking thing. unlike syphilis that isn't since antibiotics, pa is, iron pill or no ; b) iron pill doesn't work worth a shit. every fucking time i'd try every glycosulcinate, f
mircea_popescu: when you get startled you aslo "short of fusebox". the objection is at best disingenuous.
mircea_popescu: sure, if you're a fuycking weirdo you may benefit from such nonsense. but a) it's a short term thing and b) whatevert you're doing, you're doing it wrongly, as evidenced by this perceived need to short out the fuse box
mircea_popescu: is this also a case of "o noes, mp is making shorting out hte fusebox into the devil - it could be useful"
asciilifeform: rather than to stay pinned under rubble.
mircea_popescu: o noes, "i increased my capacity". well... i can increase the "capacity" of my house circuitry right now, just short the fusebox.
mircea_popescu: so far the discussion is that capacities vary FOR A REASON. a biological reason.
asciilifeform: some folks are taller/faster/stronger/need less sleep/etc. than others.
asciilifeform: only the - quite obvious - fact that capacities vary.
mircea_popescu: so then what do you mean "categories"
mircea_popescu: there is no fucking "categories". and this is a fundamental problem here, that you seem to imagine for whatever reason that the world is a large collections of drawers with labels on them.
asciilifeform: and turned the 'natural, inevitable' into kibble.
asciilifeform: but ~someone~ took out a sharp meat cleaver, like mine, but larger, and CHOPPED the happenstance crud off.
asciilifeform: prior to iron pill, it was perhaps supposed that 'women vary in their energy level and that's that'
asciilifeform: recall thread re mircea_popescu's pets and their iron pill ?
asciilifeform: that none of the existing dopes are demonstrably 'great idea for everyone, let's eat with breakfast' is quite a separate assertion from what i read to be mircea_popescu's supposition 'only idiot would try'
asciilifeform: doping is simply attempt to 'steal fire from the gods' and move up categories, paying whatever price.
asciilifeform: let's try slightly different question. people vary in endurance / energy / sleep req. just as they vary in height, etc.
adlai: the combustion engine alone can't follow lanes, or tell apart an overhead sign from a crossing trailer (the tesla fatality)
mircea_popescu: it's like talking to bitcointalk i swear. "x works ; y doesn't" "no y is not the devil" "nobody said it is" "but it could work" "has it ?" "i dunno" "then wtf are you on about ?"
asciilifeform: which? the subjectivity ?
mircea_popescu: good thing we spent half hour re-establishing the obvious that alf doesn't like.
asciilifeform: and produced 0 theorem.
mircea_popescu: so then.
asciilifeform: the head is not an off-the-shelf part, and so all of the manipulations are sadly subjective. possibly erdos could have achieved same result by having a servant whip him silly every morning. not my place, to say this.
mircea_popescu: i can dose your daughter/sister/wife so she can party "like an animal" on the basis of seeing her naked and knowing how long the party lasts. that's what "speedballs work" means.
mircea_popescu: exactly like another certain demographics hopes she'll be a princess soon.
mircea_popescu: motherfucker. if the problem is "go ten miles" then the fucking combustion engine works in that i can tell you a fucking fuel qty value.