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mircea_popescu: in other news, check out the epic eff site for spanish noobs : https://ssd.eff.org/es/module/como-usar-pgp-para-windows-pc
asciilifeform: goes right back to the 'soooo you won't spend yer money on konsoomer crud, terrorist? we'll HELP you'
mircea_popescu: and they obviously work.
asciilifeform: oberthur, incidentally, is a gigantic vendor of 'payment chip, etc., various mass-market heathen crypto iron.
asciilifeform: diddled pgptrons that shit out dupe primes are 'yesterday's' thing. i suspect that the state of the art involves rng that still gives each chumper a unique prime pair, but it can be calculated via some kleptographic clue.
mircea_popescu: there's also this
asciilifeform: once the 0.05% end up in the hopper.
asciilifeform: thing is, the kind of case described above will phuctor naturally
asciilifeform: it is the kind of crumb i've been searching for.
asciilifeform: definitely, and in the general case.
mircea_popescu: do they actually give the value so you can add it ?
asciilifeform: 'In the exceptional case of the Oberthur Cosmo Dual 72K cards, approximately 0.05% of the generated keys shared a specific value of prime q. The flaw was discovered in all three tested physical cards for both 512-bit and 1024-bit keys. The repeated prime value was equal to 0xC000...0077 for 512-bit RSA keys and 0xC000...00E9B for 1024-bit RSA keys. These prime values correspond to the first Blum prime generated when starting from the
asciilifeform: i'll say that this is the first not-wholly-plagiarized paper on subj since bernstein's.
asciilifeform: there is no html version of the thing.
mircea_popescu: eh let them fix their broken http.
asciilifeform: there is discussion of the idiot high-bits-of-prime trimming, and the like.
mircea_popescu: what happened to the fucking magic rays now.
mircea_popescu: i can't summon the interest. "vague discussion of a topic that previously didn't exist for reasons we won't discuss by people who aren't qualified to participate"
asciilifeform: dump it to a printer, there is some lulz re obviously braindamaged rng etc.
sedition: mircea_popescu: Noted. Thanks much for the info.
jurov: "The Million-Key Question—Investigating the Origins of RSA Public Keys"
sedition: Thanks much. Saw the channel on NoSuchlAbs and thought I would idle for a bit.
asciilifeform: 'The central atom is an undistorted tetrahedral sp3-hybridized carbon bearing four rigorously identical homochiral substituents. [6.6]Chiralane has all the direct rotational symmetries of the regular tetrahedron, but none of its mirror symmetries or higher order improper symmetries.'
PeterL: I seem to remember there are things like F-HC=C=CH-F which are chiral too
PeterL: there are a few organometalic that are tricky because they have sort of "chiral surfaces" instead of points, there are some interesting examples out there
asciilifeform: PeterL: but the traditional heuristic was that no compound can be chiral unless it has one or more chiral centres.
asciilifeform: PeterL: well yes, the non-superimposability of the thing when rotated through 4th d. on itself.
mircea_popescu: cno cycle playing the role of citric acid cycle in mammals.
PeterL: chirality centers are just a trick of the imagination to help students, the chirality property is actually of the whole molecule (or so one of my professors tried to explain to me once)
mircea_popescu: this incidentally might make the basis for an excellet sf piece. a sentient star!
mircea_popescu: im guessing the cno cycle is also organic.
asciilifeform: PeterL: did they ever actually update the Official chirality rules to accomodate 6,6-chiralane ?
mircea_popescu: there is that...
PeterL: at least they switched to alphabetic chemical symbols instead of the weird ones they used in alchemy
mircea_popescu: well so then no === more like ~=
mircea_popescu: (organic = "any compound of these elements")
PeterL: I would never use an inorganic solvent like dihydrogen monoxide to clean clothes!
PeterL: carbon tetrachloride is an organic solvent, they don't lie
asciilifeform: PeterL: about as precious as a dry cleaning shop i walked by once, advertising the use of 'strictly organic solvents!'
shinohai: http://archive.is/IGghR <<< hilarious, "we get 0% loan from you, the customers!"
asciilifeform: according to their article ( https://libraries.mit.edu/archives/exhibits/purse/index1.html ) it was simply protein glue, pumped through extruder, and 'silk' only in appearance.
PeterL: chemically digested and separated pigs ear - debatable wether that would still be a pig ear
mircea_popescu: you can make it synthetically at considerable cost ; but not really out of sow's ear.
PeterL: it's just a protein, you could get the amino acid building blocks from pigs and synthesize it
mircea_popescu: the silk however i do not.
mircea_popescu: the lead balloon i believe. trivial fluid dynamics.
asciilifeform: 'In 1921 the management of Arthur D. Little, Inc., of Cambridge, Mass., issued a small report describing the methods employed by the firm's chemists to create "silk" from pork byproducts. The idea behind this surprising and not very practical experiment was to prove that something said to be impossible was, with sufficient effort and ingenuity, attainable. As the report notes, the old adage "you can't make a silk purse of a sow's ear
phf: everything i need to know about javascript i learned from mochikit, which was written by a bunch of sane hackers back before "javascript library" was a thing. ~first~ thing they implemented is comparator, iterator and printer protocols (they gave up on numerics as braindead). because javascript doesn't have those. they were also the last ones who even bothered to.
asciilifeform: i suppose this here is the kind of 'standard' that makes mircea_popescu reach for his pistol when he hears word 'standard'.
PeterL: why not just use strings of ints, it's the same thing, right?
ben_vulpes: "but you can just staple a bunch of digits together and make an int, right? RIGHT?"
mircea_popescu: the language ben_vulpes
ben_vulpes: in json you mean? or are you talking about the jslib 'jquery'?
phf: i know there are all these asm.js extensions that add uint32 and such
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: there are no ints in js.
mircea_popescu: because.most.of.the.country.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz : jsawk is like awk, but for json.
mircea_popescu: most of the country. i tell ya.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform black people are like 11.5%. of those, two thirds are wiggers, and the remainder just too obtuse to admit to it, wank it to "rap" and otherwise try to show up on time for work.
mircea_popescu: the net result of a collection of idiots whose bills are paid by govt being... the collection itself.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's like 2/3 of the country yo.
phf: the progression from "feel the bern" to "Hillary just so it's not trump" to "ohmygod there's trump stickers everywhere outside of my panera bread plaza :o:o:o"
asciilifeform: generally, the courtly kabuki nonsense caste
asciilifeform: the 'being nice' delusion is confined to a small set of ustardz
mircea_popescu: nothing quite as lulzy as the libertard waking up to the cold reality that a) nobody likes him ; b) everyone wants him dead and, AND, paramountly, c) his "being nice" has exactly 0 impact on a and very slight impact on b.
asciilifeform: ( http://motherboard.vice.com/read/i-used-to-write-apocalypse-survival-guides , confessions of pay-per-word spamola pinoy, supposedly )
asciilifeform: le, and they live in your city.'
asciilifeform: from same rag, a gem for BingoBoingo, 'While lurking on a prepper discussion thread on Tea Party Community, a social network marketed as a conservative alternative to Facebook, I once saw a rousing discussion about navigating the tricky business of armed combat while confined to a mobility scooter. In that particular hypothetical scenario, individuals were discussing the best ways to kill NATO peacekeeping forces. These are real peop
mircea_popescu: https://archive.is/oxcxe << in other "fiat is so much better than bitcoin" drama...
mircea_popescu: the problem is that in the consumer "mind", easy always beats good.
phf: grok things like "oh, it was armor pick up in this corridor, and let me see there's two exits, but the guy would be going for quad next, so he'll take exit 2, so naturally you want to intercept blah blah blah"
phf: like i remember watching fps speed runs and tricks on youtube back when it started and it was wholy unsatisfying experience. you want to be able to fly around and look at trick from different directions to know what's going on. not to mention pro level duels, where half the info comes from sound, you want to be able to figure out what player B did that player A reacted to, so you have to pause, rewind, and switch to other player, to
phf: even in rts you want demos, rather than flat rendering
mircea_popescu: $google "best paladin in the werld"
mircea_popescu: then average wowhead started doing it too, mostly for the pretense, and this is what gave us the lulz of
mircea_popescu: there is some legitimate space for this, in high performance rts type of games where watching a high ranked player play is very instructive.
mircea_popescu: turns out it wasn't the tv making people stupid - people were stupid to begin with, tv fit like a glove. with its demise - the cowsies moo for a replacement. so they watch others play games.
mircea_popescu: a sort of youtube for obnoxiously voiced dorks to stream their voice and upper-left efigy atop game video captures.
asciilifeform: 'The Maiden Rape Assault: Violent Semen Inferno' << lel
jurov: are there any engineers left capable of this? other than alf?
asciilifeform: and, also incidentally, a 64GB+ sdcard weighs ~1g. so there is no reason whatsoever for the cipher not to be otp.
asciilifeform: incidentally, a Useful Product Idea, plug-in replacement guidance module for popular flying toys, to pick arbitrary quiet frequency spread in a reasonably broad swatch of spectrum, when remote is paired with toy, rather than the current 'legal' jammable idiocy.
mircea_popescu: their "security" moans as it will, but ultimately...
mircea_popescu: oh btw, apparently brasil can't keep drones out of stadiums, try as it might. there's always half dozen flkoating about, and the "heads of state" muppets in attendance might as well get used to it.
asciilifeform: 'The patch included in SA-16:25 is incomplete, and may still permit heap corruption. The patch included in the document dump is more complete. Why only a partial fix?' <<< ahahahahaha
asciilifeform: and the same one which threw out gcc in favour of crappleade, etc.
asciilifeform: this, notice, is the same freebsd as was distributed with DEAD rng, for ~year
asciilifeform: 'Why was there no mention of the fact that running freebsd-update to install the fix for the bspatch advisory [SA-16:25] may actually expose users to the vulnerability?'
asciilifeform: the only permissible operation on an unsigverified input is - constant-time sig verification.
asciilifeform: the most galling thing is the VERY NOTION of a tcp that isn't porous. because tcp breaks BOTH of the two, as i found, iron rules of network sanity: 1) NOTHING TO RANDOS FOR FREE 2) NO OPERATIONS ON UNSIGNED INPUT
mircea_popescu: you recall ? was some foss "expert" blog article, in which he detailed some bugfixing he did, except it was of the nature of "i removed undigested corn kernel from shit on wall - all better now"
asciilifeform remembers thread, but unable to turn it up in the l0gz
mircea_popescu: nono, some idiot/genius explaining how he "fixed" something or the other in kernel
asciilifeform: iirc it was the db descriptors thing in trb.
mircea_popescu: lemme link to the previous instance of me losing it over this. where was it.
asciilifeform: ments, we show that the attack is fast and reliable. On average, it takes about 40 to 60 seconds to finish and the success rate is 88% to 97%. Finally, we propose changes to both the TCP specification and implementation to eliminate the root cause of the problem.'
asciilifeform: rther, if the connection is present, such an off-path attacker can also infer the TCP sequence numbers in use, from both sides of the connection; this in turn allows the attacker to cause connection termination and perform data injection attacks. We illustrate how the attack can be leveraged to disrupt or degrade the privacy guarantees of an anonymity network such as Tor, and perform web connection hijacking. Through extensive experi
asciilifeform: 'In this paper, we report a subtle yet serious side channel vulnerability (CVE-2016-5696) introduced in a recent TCP specification. The specification is faithfully implemented in Linux kernel version 3.6 (from 2012) and beyond, and affects a wide range of devices and hosts. In a nutshell, the vulnerability allows a blind off-path attacker to infer if any two arbitrary hosts on the Internet are communicating using a TCP connection. Fu
mircea_popescu: ah nm, they're putting a large ack limit in conf so as to... BYPASS THE MAGIC NUMBERS BAKED IN.
mircea_popescu: and they're not giving it up, either.
asciilifeform: this is the n-th time with the sequence number prediction thing, isnnit.
shinohai consults the voynich manuscript
asciilifeform: and none of the reference material i have on the subj, features it.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: In the one where the entire thing turns into the DAO
mircea_popescu: ethereum "publicly traded company" ? in what alternate universe.
BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/E7JJG << Delusion Update "Instead, Seaman noted, Classic is an “insecure orphan chain” being promoted in a way that would be illegal if Ethereum were a publicly traded company, which it could eventually be." and other lol
mircea_popescu: ie, there's an allowance the olympic lizzards make for each country to participate. many of them spend many times more on their teams ; but for shitholes from the country of africa it's actually lucrative in the sense of, pay fiddy bux to local derp to spend a week in a hotel for the first time in his life ; cash in on the olympic committee millionz.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo iirc they actually get paid to show up.
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2016/08/09/from-the-round-house-on-sallys-pond/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - From the Round House on Sally’s Pond.
BingoBoingo: Like someone paid for the dude to be last place. Not even with reasonable expectations they could do otherwise, but solidly knowing what would happen.
BingoBoingo: Not like grotesque fat, but like WTF? Why bother sending someone when your best swimmer is 20-30% worse than the next worst country's swimmer?
asciilifeform: the films, just as the b00kz.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ~all the ru material worth seeing, afaik, is.
mircea_popescu: shows what a vibrant space one'd have without the usg.mpaa idjits
asciilifeform: what did they originally propose to do with it?
mircea_popescu: and in other ethereum news : the "white hack" attackers... stole... the pot.
asciilifeform: (i haven't any dispute re dns being a work of evil, from day 1, but the rms solution is not a solution and i will continue to laugh)
asciilifeform: see what they say.
asciilifeform: try asking them to do next mission without dns.
mircea_popescu: as you might've noticed, i'm the opposite of a micromanager.
asciilifeform: ah there we go.
mircea_popescu: oh oh that. i don't care what they do.
asciilifeform: but is advice that is of 0 use outside of the dirigible.
mircea_popescu: i literally dun care what the thing may contain.
asciilifeform: and perhaps it is 'not inconvenient' because other folks do this for him ?
asciilifeform: well apparently it did keep mircea_popescu from searchengining for the error msg.
mircea_popescu: (i am proud to report i've deployed this long ago ; and it causes absolutely no inconvenience whatever, just in case the "killing god is impossibru!!!" emovibe is strong in the reader)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform real men ban dns traffic on their net machines.
asciilifeform: 'The website may try to fallback to TLS 1.0 in a way that is no longer allowed in current releases or may be using a deprecated cipher suite.'
asciilifeform: them bitz were shuffled 'round, to get them dirty terrorists UPDATING LIKE GOD SAID TO etc
asciilifeform: or rather, where it first pops up in the logz.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1056325 << it's the curl thing aha.
asciilifeform: '...The attackers used multiple interesting and unusual techniques, including: Data exfiltration and real-time status reporting using DNS requests. Implant deployment using legitimate software update scripts....'
mircea_popescu: the-thing-which-i-use
mircea_popescu: i still remember the fucking lolz we had as kiddies when they introduced this penpal thing ; they religiously matched all boys with girls, and this guy got paired with... mercedes gonzales.
mircea_popescu: hey, it's what they pay us mercedi for, amirite.
asciilifeform: and the whole exercise becomes one of deciphering martian language.
mircea_popescu: obviously. since his notion of fame doesn't match the common notion of fame, you'd expect his notion of richness doesn't either.
asciilifeform: it is not even easy to be certain re what 'he was very rich' means in the mental landscape of the degenerates.
mircea_popescu: because we're all equally people and therefore all equally potent in richdom. just his time hasn't come yet to becoming in wealth-hood.
mircea_popescu: he's looking for help in the vast fields of literal representation. against this demon-beast strangling him.
mircea_popescu: peter john the nobel prize laureate.
mircea_popescu: teh mentality of the poor idiot penning these things... so he's gonna tell me he's famous ? why, because he's more or less obama, and if he hadn't told me i'd have never known ?
trinque: shinohai: ah the patch diddles wp-content too; got it now
shinohai: yeah I unpacked it all the applied patch, built database and was good to go
trinque: I'm just humping the football over here
trinque: shinohai: what am I supposed to do, unpack then apply that patch?
trinque gonna start using blogotron instead of just dumping things in the logs
trinque: shinohai: ben_vulpes gave me the wad o' wp-mp you gave him. am I supposed to apply this patch, or is it already applied? it broke when applying
asciilifeform: ' But the real morals of the story is that one must be able to employ every little part of the animal you kill, like the man does… '
asciilifeform: http://freya.theladyofthelabyrinth.com/?page_id=512 << just as unrelated to anything, but imho moar interesting
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/08/alleged-orlando-shooters-father-seated-behind-hillary-at-rally/ << Qntra - Alleged Orlando Shooter's Father Seated Behind Hillary At Rally
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The floral patterned dresses, hair clearly styled by each other, and sorta bored rural look on their faces.
deedbot: http://107.170.141.103/2016/as-from-ccl/ << BARKS IN THE WIND - applescript from clozure
deedbot: http://107.170.141.103/2016/wp-content-for-a/ << BARKS IN THE WIND - wp-content for a.
deedbot: http://107.170.141.103/2016/hello/ << BARKS IN THE WIND - HELLO
deedbot: http://107.170.141.103/2016/capi/ << BARKS IN THE WIND - capi
asciilifeform: trinque: consider printing the url first
trinque: rss is a piece of shit that descends from the www idiocy
asciilifeform: trinque: the abstraction will leak.
trinque: asciilifeform: would be trivial to write another subclass of ircbot that just sat there reading stdin and shitting stdout
asciilifeform: trinque: the db is a painful and incurable bottleneck for phuctor, the LAST thing i want is to use it for anything else.
mircea_popescu: and in other dubious entertainment, http://i.imgur.com/iQlIhbb.jpg
BingoBoingo: No. before is common. Suspended sentence means you tell them they are free except for X,Y and then later you lock them up for clause Z later.
asciilifeform: 'when you can administratively imprison them later' --> before?!
asciilifeform: therein being the rub.
asciilifeform: 'There he ordered Yirik to pour him out a goblet of wine. "And I warn you," he said, "that you forfeit your head if you pour a drop too much or too little."'
asciilifeform: as a boy, i read a - i think czech - folk tale, where a servant is made to pour JUST THE RIGHT amount of wine in the king's glass, 'too little, or too much, Off! with yer head!'
asciilifeform: but moreover, there must be, in the former case, a mechanical test which determines if he is to be shot.
mircea_popescu: alternatively, a man may be whipped for one item he produced not meeting what his master told him to produce. this means the item was specified.
mircea_popescu: anyway, to put it in the harshest term : a man may be shot for one item he produced not being identical to another item someone else produced. this means the item was standardized.
asciilifeform: they dun exist in my planet.
asciilifeform: i did say 'usable, public', i can find you winblowz closed turd adas by the dozen also.
mircea_popescu: what's the exactly one on cpp, llvm ?
asciilifeform: as with cpp, there is EXACTLY ONE usable public implementation.
asciilifeform: but the implementation is somewhat other matter.
asciilifeform: the standard was and is a titanic work, imho.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform exactly. i did, and was impressed by apparently hermetic points like this, such as an understanding of the difference between standard and specification etc.
mircea_popescu: the "standard tank shell" is not "the standard shell" for this exact reason.
asciilifeform: well, if you actually were to read the ada standard, it has a massive annex specifying ~optional~ components.
mircea_popescu: mno. EITHER "the standard library" is not the standard library ; or ELSE your mips is a chunk of charcoal and you've got down syndrome to be trying to program on it.
asciilifeform: and standard tank shell dun fit in the luger.
asciilifeform: elaborate re where one finds 'here's the standard - it doesn't work for yout item' ??
mircea_popescu: in any fucking case, "here's the standard - it doesn't work for yout item" is rank nonsense, and the paragon of anti-utility.
mircea_popescu: there's no intrinsic utility of abstract objects.
asciilifeform: and alphabet of, e.g., english, is 'standard' for english in the exact 100% useless sense that mendeleev table is 'standard for mcburger'.
mircea_popescu: perhaps forcing the point, as these are both industrial processes. anyway.
mircea_popescu: the latter makes some specific comments as to some points of interest - "the meat should be between some sort of bread". the former specifies every single aspect of the item, including a complete chemical composition etc.
asciilifeform: asking to standardize a living humanlang in the nut-and-bolt sense is rather like asking for a standard liver, leg, or cock.
PeterL: what I mean is the french have the academy trying to specify their language
mircea_popescu: they tried for three centuries, gave up.
mircea_popescu: does not. french is specifically the one culture language which does not have a normative, academy-produced dictionary.,
mircea_popescu: still. when we discuss language - the alphabet is the only standard. the dictionary is not a standard ; nor aspires to be a standard.
asciilifeform: because it is difficult to measure, much less reshape, physical object without using another such
asciilifeform: attempts to WHOLLY detach a standard from particular artifacts - e.g., si def of the metre in terms of cesium atom cross-sections - have not gone far.
asciilifeform: because motherfucking standards.
asciilifeform: despite that the modern round were made by folks who were born after everyone involved in making the pistol were long dead.
asciilifeform: because motherfucking standards.
asciilifeform: it is what a standard is in the land of nuts and bolts, likewise.
asciilifeform: it is what a standard is in compiler-land. i.e., i can, using only the standard, re-create the compiler.
mircea_popescu: this is besides the point.
mircea_popescu: thinking the dictionary "a standard" is exactly the level of ignorance one displays thinking "the blue earth internet icon"
mircea_popescu: not so. the fucking alphabet is the only human lang standard.
asciilifeform: it is the closest thing any humanlang has to a standard.
mircea_popescu: do tell, how are you richer than your father, and his father, when his reservoir was full and yours is empty ?
asciilifeform: alphabet is not the correct analogy, dictionary - is.
mircea_popescu: somehow the small alphabet in which one can actually write - is.
asciilifeform: this unicorn, the SMALL language in which ONE CAN ACTUALLY PROGRAM, is not yet born.
asciilifeform: all known 'small' standards, e.g., ansi scheme, have resulted in ~99% of the extant code in the respective language using nonstandard libs.
asciilifeform: but no other box.
asciilifeform: now on a micro, one needs VERY little of this, and folks traditionally trim the thing down to fit by sacrificing pieces
mircea_popescu: the #1 rule a standard must pass is BEING SMALL.
mircea_popescu: the EXACT opposite of a fucking standard.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and the much worse point of this is - WHAT THE FUCK is a "standard lib" supposed to be thaT DOESN'T fit on microcontroller. what the fuck standard is this standard, utf-standard, the antistandard.
asciilifeform: and the recipe whereby you substitute a dummy -- dun work.
asciilifeform: which of course barfed, because it is unable to find the motherfucking std lib that supposedly 'is optional'
asciilifeform: sooooooo then i put on gas mask, and vivisected the makefiles until FORCED bloody thing to build gnattools
a111: Logged on 2016-08-06 04:53 trinque: https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=20015 << if the world ever rights "helpful" is going to be a euphemism for "tries to slip dick in when you turn your back"
asciilifeform: and they barf in non-debuggable ways because gnumake was written by chimps, and 'ERROR 2' !!!11
asciilifeform: on top of this, all but two of the gnat ver / gcc ver building it combos i've tried, barf.
asciilifeform: because ALL version of gcc i've been able to get a hold of, which are able to build a version of gnat i've been able to get a hold of, refuse to build gnattools (the linker) when standard lib (which dun belong on a microcontroller) is disabled.
asciilifeform: so, for instance, i have, theoretically, a gnat that builds for mips, but in actuality it dun work.
asciilifeform: it isn't even that we are operating on an animal that is squirming on the table, but that it is not an animal at all, but a bag of maggots and weevils
mircea_popescu: it evolved. from frogs. how was the first human built!
asciilifeform: how the FIRST gnat was built, NO ONE KNOWS today.
asciilifeform: but, e.g., gnat, will ONLY BUILD USING ANOTHER GNAT
asciilifeform: at least it is theoretically possible to build gcc on another compiler (i personally have not attempted this, and the last confirmed report i know of is some years ago, however)
asciilifeform: in fact, it is ~impossible to build it on 2 boxes, supposing that they are not mirror images of one another's disks, and end up with same gcc.
asciilifeform: nor is the thing in any sense approaching readable
asciilifeform: the thing is rotten to the core
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the open sores thing is a clusterfuck of a depth that i cannot even convey in words. e.g., in the past few days i have uncovered catastrophic bugs in gcc, which NO ONE will ever fix, or likely even replicate, because they ONLY show up when you try to build version X with version Y, for particular pairings of X,Y, and similar
mircea_popescu: answer h) yet there's a new team maintaining the item i) except it's unclear exactly who exactly how and to what exact purpose or standard"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform point being : "a) here is a package of open source software that b) worked great c) for a lengthy, unclear and unverifyable past interval d) maintained by an intelligent but dour and otherwise busy party that e) is well respected but no longer much involved f) yet you could ask q of them if only you could find out how to ask an intelligent one g) which is pointless anyway because you can't make much sense of the
phf: ben_vulpes: i have a patchset, that takes wp from stock 2.7 to mircea_popescu's version, and then adds a few cleanups that i did. once i get through all the other shit i'm working on, i'll release it. the stock->mp patch is useful if you want to do further work on the codebase and have some idea where mp's custom patches begin and end
mircea_popescu: incidentally, anyone recall diablo 1 multiplayer mode ? which nobody ever played, because you could edit your client to send to the other "your player was hit by 1`000`000 dmg" and the idiot'd take it at face value and kill the other person ?
a111: Logged on 2016-07-06 01:31 asciilifeform: phf apparently knows enough to replicate working setup without the missing pieces and without using the pig-ugly default theme.

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