mircea_popescu: motherfucker. YOU YOURSELF USE SHIT THAT DOESNT INTEROIPERATE
asciilifeform: it can be, in ~your~ head, because you do not use typesetters, or remote displays, etc. and can arbitrarily proclaim that they are 'irrelevant'
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: the msdos-style 'apps will write directly to graphics card' is not a replacement.
mircea_popescu: this is debatable. but the fundamental problem with allowing userspace hardware access is that it can cut you loose from your own computer.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: I'm not sure what "job" you have in mind, but suspect it is different from the one I have in mind
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: my understanding of the present situation is that the linux kernel is here to stay, as it is a result of the way that the cee machine works, and contains drivers for a bunch of useful hardware
asciilifeform: 'same but cheaper', plastic gears, want to go there ?
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel the reason kernel exists is so that random crap doesn't steal your machine.
asciilifeform: the problem is that you have not in fact done the job, but arbitrarily proclaimed that your steer is 'just the same as a bull'
phf: gabriel_laddel: i understand your end goal, but the steps that you're taking to get there are going to result in worse design. you'd be better served in understanding clx first, making ~that~ work well by working to its strengths, and then replacing clx with own system. by then you'll have a snappier system and less primitives to write. i highly recommend spinning up VLM/genera and seeing how they do unix interop. it's really quite
asciilifeform: it is very easy algorithm for 'optimization' - simply declare that a good chunk of the job 'does not need doing' and cut the corner
asciilifeform: re the 'doing less work'
mircea_popescu: well so then do you understand what phf means about "Welcome to 2002" ?
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: it is not yet clear as I don't know enough about the kernel to know if I can do away with the whole "user space" thing.
mircea_popescu: is the cl process that talks directly to the hardware part of "kernel" or part of "user space" ?
gabriel_laddel: you can use the old, shit clim
gabriel_laddel: you simply have a CL process that talks directly to the hardware
gabriel_laddel: neither because those notions no longer exist?
gabriel_laddel: phf: I intend to do away with the whole notion of "client & server" in rendering for CLIM
phf: gabriel_laddel: first mistake is to do so much pointless rendering on the client. from the few minutes of talking, it's quite clear that you're prepared to walk the path of "linux on desktop" to the same result
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wouldja let people live their lives!
gabriel_laddel: and run the various simulations that I have to run
gabriel_laddel: but I need a stable platform from which to redesign computing from the ground up
mircea_popescu: phf he means you can't use them without x, integrated.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: i'm looking forward to seeing what happens when you wake up and realize that this applies to the entire linux.
gabriel_laddel: there is no meaningful way to interrogate the X server about its state, so when it crashes (and it does from time to time), it really gets in the way of the whole lispm experience
phf: gabriel_laddel: cairo is not integrated with X, nor is freetype. both are client side rendering libraries, that send computed bitmaps over the wire
gabriel_laddel: phf: that's not what I'm saying. truetype is in CL. McCLIM is 100% CL. But it /communicates/ with X, which has cario and all this other nonsense integrated with it, and it's causing problems.
asciilifeform: phf: possibly it got inserted because the unusably slow thing were thrown out ?
phf: last time i checked there wasn't cairo/freetype/etc. in mcclim to begin with
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the difference between your spec and my spec should be obvious. is it ?
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel huh. listen, probably not actionable right now, but in general and on the long term if you write me a crystal space replacement in lisp ima definitely bundle it in eulora.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: which is to say, if i cannot connect over network to machine across the planet and have the window FILL THE ALLOTED SPOT on my display, CORRECTLY, 'replacement' is junk.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: keep in mind that a 'replacement for x' that doesn't do the same job is not a replacement.
phf: gabriel_laddel: have you tried actually getting some quality type 1 fonts and setting them up ~with your x server~ and seeing if you like the result
asciilifeform: but folks who will eat athena will eat fixed font also.
gabriel_laddel: on my dead harddrive there is a bunch of half-implemented useful things like clim-spec-in-clim, the "navigator" which is a reflective search apropos, I've taken climacs and made it usable for day-to-day work...
gabriel_laddel: The fonts look like shit without truetype and that makes it impossible for me to make money using CLIM.
gabriel_laddel: talking directly to the monitor / whatever and implementing CLIM on that.
asciilifeform: i dun even recall tt being ~in~ the picture in '07.
gabriel_laddel: No. Cutting X/cario/opengl/truetype out of the picture completely.
asciilifeform: what happened to 'do WHOLE MOTHERFUCKING STACK of graphics henderson-style' ?
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel but what's the goal or how are you proceeding or anything like that ?
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: redid the website, removed all the crap backends, gas2serra fixed a threading bug that caused irritating visual artifacts, I went through the whole of the CLIM archives and pulled out all the useful info, the codebase has been totally re-ordered, truetype is now the default, bugfixes relating to not pulling in the correct X keyboard
mircea_popescu: half the job right ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform best i could tell they... started.
asciilifeform: (you have a spiffy www but the clim looks much as i found it in 2007)
gabriel_laddel: have had to quash them as best I can
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: that's one perspective. another is that I'm extrodinarily lucky that they're doing anything useful on mcclim at all
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel hey, they're people, with a brain right ? can benefit from discussion of this as any other topic.
gabriel_laddel: were I in charge of fundraising, I'd not be doing it as an anon anyways but rather calling syscog, ravenspack etc and trying to get donations in the 10ks rather than pocket change, but w/e
mircea_popescu: importing bitcoin into your financial affairs works its magic just by being a node ; doesn't have to be the whole process. actually, can't even be whole process, that's gavintardism. but yeah, no big deal.
mircea_popescu: ok, so he can get paid in ethereum, what of it.
gabriel_laddel: also, jackdaniel is a pleb / etherhuffer (at least politically, and I really appreciate his work on mcclim)
mircea_popescu: whose job is it of the usg's what jackdaniel gets paid and from whence it came ?
mircea_popescu: yeah but i mean... why handle donations in shitcoin in the first place.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: I want the wwwtron
gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: do you have an intern who wants to make a couple hundred bucks here and there writing CL for McCLIM?
mircea_popescu: whether os or not os needn't be resolved ; but gabriel_laddel should be able to acquire a copy i say!
mircea_popescu: lol. you heard the man phf ; gotta have your tool.
mircea_popescu: and plox notify the parties named in that paste BingoBoingo . twitter, email, w/e.
mircea_popescu: nice! thanks asciilifeform for the tip!
mircea_popescu: (it is not technically possible for a man's claims to exceed his wealth, because wealth includes the value of all claims by definition)
BingoBoingo: What of the man worth 1 pence who sues for a whole pound?
mircea_popescu: (note the sheeps at end is intentional, because ships)
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo mind if i write a qntra detailing justice holman's breach of the european declaration of human rights and other matters ?
mircea_popescu: http://www.lastnightsparty.com/another1/slides/8Y0A3931.JPG << ahahahaha ok, this shit's epic. check out the milliONEaire!
mircea_popescu: http://www.lastnightsparty.com/another1/slides/8Y0A3739.JPG << dude... really ? is that actually intended as an insult ?
BingoBoingo: Do they actually live?
mircea_popescu: the indignity. illiterate peronista judges. is there enough alcohol in the "civilised world" ?
mircea_popescu: how can these people live ?
mircea_popescu: i'd fucking call a hit. what the fucking shit is this. omfg.
mircea_popescu: judge can't spell, and has the unmitigated audacity to say THAT ?
mircea_popescu: "I have to say that I do not find it very ediffying that people in this financial bracket should be taking up a day of court time over a sum which to them, though not to others, is objectively so small. However, agreement has not been reached and I must rule." << HOLY SHIT
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nuts, vet bills > clothes for kid ?
phf: hehe, to answer asciilifeform's question from long time ago, you want wife like kim, so when you go to da club all the hoes look like your hubby
mircea_popescu: phf and this because kim totally fucking won the assculture war.
mircea_popescu: http://www.lastnightsparty.com/another1/slides/8Y0A2881.JPG << ahaha lol oops, i take it back. they got blondes. from 1970. check out the ex trophy wife!
phf: i think blonds are out at the moment, everyone wants a quirky hipster brunete, miami only makes it worse with all the latinos. i know a few blonds that actually color their hair. it's trully barbaric age up here.
mircea_popescu: http://www.lastnightsparty.com/another1/slides/8Y0A2858.JPG << this is EXACTLY how Old Whore looked at that age : a transvestite prostitute.
mircea_popescu: the tits are superb, btw, best silicone i've seen in a while.
phf: well, terry richardson popularized the style of photography. sort of trashy "amateur" photography with good lighting, vomit and tits. it all looks a lot more polished when you're shit faced
mircea_popescu: (also, props to all the genius "DRM" nonsense they installed. fucking clearly it works huh.)
mircea_popescu: http://www.lastnightsparty.com/another1/slides/8Y0A2813.JPG << looks just like medellin, colombia or what.
mircea_popescu: typical argentine has all the pretense of small time german krownprinz and all the sabiduria of rural south cali gangster.
phf: also miami is where da clubs at, it's like a trashier, "let's go to the beach" version of new york club scene. let's have merlin bronques say a few words about it http://www.lastnightsparty.com/miami/
phf: ahaha, i know people with such ridiculous k tolerance, i'd like to see cops shoot at them
mircea_popescu: "now she can go off the pill, and i have an elite highschore!" "sweet!"
asciilifeform: (not to be confused with the other typical american 'anaesthesia' where you get to ~feel~ all of the cuts, but cannot move or speak to complain)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i hear it's pretty great if you like watching the surgeons work on yer guts
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Ketamin used in us hospitals increasing as alternative to general anesthesia because lolwyers
mircea_popescu: autoinjector shot is what, maybe a shade over 2ml ? which includes the carrying fluid. insufficient to kill a lapdog.
asciilifeform: in what hospital are there nurses with ketamine ?
mircea_popescu: that's why they're used in the first place, inept nurses don't kill patients with them.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform eh get out of here. ketamine ld50 is like half a gram/kg. propofol 1/10 that. in either case you can't pack enough of the stuff in a shot to kill anyone.
asciilifeform: vered the same password was used for other online accounts. The documents specifically mention Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook – all three of which link back to Farooq. It’s concerning that this was considered an OK practice. Although unconfirmed, Reddit users who have purchased heroin from both vendor’s claim that both men use the same return address.'
asciilifeform: 'Law enforcement was able to investigate postal records and discover that Almashwali had purchased the postage for the two heroin packages. Farooq was apparently involved in “other mailings.” During the investigation, law enforcement officials were able to discover that the encrypted email address associated with the Area51 AlphaBay profile was linked to social media accounts. When they recovered the email’s password they disco
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-12#1518874 << 'therapeutic window' refers to the diff b/w a 'therapeutic' and fatal dose.
mircea_popescu: they're insane with the gossip, by the way. do you know how often i see this scene where woman is talking the ear off posted policeman, who is doing his best to politely ignore her ?
mircea_popescu: "what mom overheard while doing the cleaning in so-and-so's house who was talking on the phone to her highschool friernd who is married to the brother of the undersecretary of trabajo"
asciilifeform: the shoe chick is not target audience, no.
asciilifeform: and what do you expect him to yearn for but 'warm place to shit and six types of sausage in the store'
asciilifeform: at the time of his quislinging
mircea_popescu: dude... a shitty place with hot wet weathert and a bunch of old farts in "gated communities".
asciilifeform: not, understand, in the flesh
asciilifeform: for their services.
mircea_popescu: da fuck is wrong with them.
mircea_popescu: heck, do you know that their favourite part of the us (to the point of scarcely even knowing other parts even exist) IS MIAMI ?
mircea_popescu: the south americans at their peak are scarcely qualified to import us made stupidity. that's why they're so proud when they manage.
mircea_popescu: i think the earth makes people stupid here.
asciilifeform: wai wat subculture, the indians ?!
mircea_popescu: cuz i culturally dislike the subculture.
asciilifeform: why not curare then.
mircea_popescu: no dude. that's how it works with lone redditard in his forsaken den. if some guy just rushed your subject, he's in the middle of a media blitz and the ambulance is right there.
asciilifeform: again, narrow therapeutic window, corpse is likely
asciilifeform: anaesthetic won't produce 'crazy flail'
mircea_popescu: can then leak youtubes of "crazy person"
mircea_popescu: the attacker being belligerent outside of his kill zone is an asset to you, not to him.
asciilifeform: (propofol has narrow therapeutic window)
mircea_popescu: not unreasonable, though not sure i'd use diazepam. why not ketamine, watch them go all weird lol.
asciilifeform: there was a public incident where yeltsin had some old hag run out at him and she got needled
asciilifeform: incidentally, sov gensecs had a dude with diazepam injector follow them around. but the thing was not for gensec, but for crowd bozos rushing at him
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: antidote was from previous inhabitant of the desk, who did field tests
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the fella with the flashlight appears to be pointing to the other handler, re where to stand
asciilifeform: inherited with the office.
asciilifeform: it came with the desk
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> with syringe loaded in one hand, following the 'star' around, publicly ? << Autoinjector is not mere syringe. Preloaded just like star is.
mircea_popescu: suppose i get hold of her and keep her in a room for half a day ? what then ? "i can't recognise the person i voted for!!!" ?
mircea_popescu: now, the ancients didn't think it wise to have blind emperor ; why the postmoderns imagine it acceptable to have figurehead with habit...
asciilifeform: with syringe loaded in one hand, following the 'star' around, publicly ?
mircea_popescu: every "rockstar" with a habit i've ever encountered had one of these.
BingoBoingo: ONE HAS TO MAINTAIN THEIR BUZZ!!!!
asciilifeform: there is, interestingly, another possible explanation for the photo. injector like this (actually two, one being the very same diazepam) are part of u.s. army response kit for organophosphate war gas.
asciilifeform: not outside of the late alex shulgin's basement at any rate
mircea_popescu: it's not alice's wonderland where the potions actually are fascinatingly unknown.
mircea_popescu: there's uppers and there's downers. add "nothings" a la caffeine/nicotine etc and that;s just about it.
mircea_popescu: contrary to what you imagine, there's not really that vast variety of substances.
mircea_popescu: she's had the habit for 40+ years.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck do you think prince died as a ball consisting half of psychoactives by mass ?
a111: Logged on 2016-08-12 12:09 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo look, the woman ain't got no seizures. she's got a habit, left over from the days she was stuck in scandal cast playing kerry washington (created by shonda rhimes).
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-12#1518811 << folks with habit, take pillz, not bloke with syringe at the ready in public
mircea_popescu: "Coinbase has continued their apology and solvency tour " bwahahaha mkay
mircea_popescu: (for the concerned watchers : i googled "scandal" looking for that idiotic talk show where some old douche keeps being oh-so-amazed at teenage sluts and whatnot. this worked.)
BingoBoingo: Well seizures are a benzodiazepine withdrawal symptom, goes with the habit.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo look, the woman ain't got no seizures. she's got a habit, left over from the days she was stuck in scandal cast playing kerry washington (created by shonda rhimes).
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It is indeed used that way. Works on the GABA system.
BingoBoingo: http://theralphretort.com/breaking-hillarys-handler-carrying-auto-injector-syringe-anti-seizure-drug-diazepam-8007016/
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2016/08/not-quite-news-roundup-xtend-tmr/ << News Roundup Xtend (TM)(R) will iterate every week where nothing independently important happens but where the accretion of nothings may offer some lols
mircea_popescu: and in other news, romanian pua in effect : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuXxIrarHEc
mircea_popescu: there is much you don't know, young alf.
asciilifeform: aand what's in the green 'gogo' ?? mircea_popescu ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-12#1518777 << cokeman's cokecastle is wired for ethernet! mega-modeeern..
a111: Logged on 2016-08-12 03:50 ben_vulpes: lol is that the first mircea_popescu imglink with no actual nudity?!
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2016/08/11/the-sorts-of-questions-scandinavian-journalists-ask-about-maidsafe-answered/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - The sorts of questions Scandinavian journalists ask about MaidSafe, answered.
mircea_popescu: they're overpriced though.
ben_vulpes: mind you i grew up in the land of pressed shitboard, and so the wrecked stone glory of ars is v. appealing
ben_vulpes: lol is that the first mircea_popescu imglink with no actual nudity?!
ben_vulpes: that a lovely building may be bought and the savages beaten out of it like dust from a rug
mircea_popescu: and in other nebraska news, https://pisicademotivanta.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/wpid-fb_img_1444943174256.jpg
ben_vulpes: this fwiw is the appeal to me of ars, deflated though it may be through many a trilema
mircea_popescu: and in other bounces, http://66.media.tumblr.com/3963ee6925f01bcee677c1a969380ffa/tumblr_nc45e1aFLu1rat4opo6_250.gif
phf: i'm almost done though, going to upload for mr man to peruse at pleasure in the next few days
asciilifeform: ( i dun actually own the tape deck, just an empty carcass with wires where it ought to go ... )
asciilifeform: so i can perhaps back it up and dare to move it from the pedestal...
mircea_popescu: there is also that.
mircea_popescu: not to mention it;s altogether unclear the republic will even enforce fiat-"proprietary"
asciilifeform: well you dun need the ide to deploy...
phf: sort of tempting to migrate all my lisp work there, because the ide is nice, but of course, proprietary
asciilifeform: when i was on a usg throne and had ~unlimited budget, i ordered ALL of the known commercial lisps (with exception of 'scineer') brought in.
mircea_popescu: in other news, making mega-ar post ; aficionados prepare.
phf: not particularly interesting, since they are two independent codebases, but http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=bot
phf: trinque: what happened to the bot vpatches?
mircea_popescu: and in other "poster child for why polycarbonate rocks", http://67.media.tumblr.com/ec8c88692a7438823e15e4722b21b57d/tumblr_n6sy0mat2r1tt1lr0o1_500.gif
mircea_popescu: most of the things we've built came out of examining steps and making improvements.
trinque: I'm not opposed to incremental improvements as long as they, y'know, continue.
mircea_popescu: phf the idea of course being that eventually this will grow into actual routing,
ben_vulpes: but in light of lease-breaking fees and firing of everyone and general existential crises am going to go dip my butt in the river with child and babe.
mircea_popescu: and amusingly enough, it would be perfectly fine for mpex, or any other "financial" site built correctly.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell gabriel_laddel folx appreciated the lolz
ben_vulpes: perhaps just give them an ip addr?
ben_vulpes: this presents the thorny problem of noobs not having the foggiest where ben_vulpes/r/<a_vastly_shorter_id> is actually located on the net
ben_vulpes: i have no interest in perpetuating the global hash table as controlled by nato
ben_vulpes: i quite rather would like to take my extant domains donw
ben_vulpes: well i was sitting in the sun but i have to drive-by-comment now
mircea_popescu: $g "because of my father i thought my name is jesus christ"
mircea_popescu: so that's the use.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform put it this way : whether i call her "big tits" or whatever else, she can still be "susan b. anthony" in public.
mircea_popescu: you can have a canonical copy unrelatedly to whether you scribble on your copy or not.
asciilifeform: well in the sense that i'm not sure what one wins from vtronic incarnation of it
asciilifeform: trinque: not much use imho, a hostfile is the most intensely personal item possible, it is mapping of key fp's to friends' names.
asciilifeform: (or, i shit thee not, in japanese cosmogony, big spoodge)
mircea_popescu: it'll be just good and ready to go, just replace big-bang at the outset with whatever other causative event happens in your alt-universe, all good.
mircea_popescu: you know, just in case you want to use the browser in an alternate universe.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you missed the plug-cable-from-socket-n-to-socket-m-in-plugboard part.
mircea_popescu: why not do it right, big-bang://general-physics://your-mother-should-stop-fucking-drunks://http://www.somesite.dork
mircea_popescu: so you use browser ftp that can't upload. so then what does it do, this : http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/ilasxve-560x456.png ?
asciilifeform: ...or rather, 1 file.
mircea_popescu: there is no "ftp". you mean sftp ?
mircea_popescu: one of the most egregious cases of derpy engineering choices. "http://" really bitch, because what, your browser is also going to do what, bitcoin:// ? and then www, because totallies, there's other stuff on the web than web.
asciilifeform: who the hell does
phf: i'm waiting for when we finally start sending hosts file to each other
asciilifeform: yeah he quit payin' for domain. even the link on 'temple' is to archive.org.
mircea_popescu: but the page i mean.
mircea_popescu: (there's also an old version, from like 2013)
asciilifeform: http://www.cliki.net/Humor << now i recall, my thing is at the bottom (curator actually wrote and asked to feature it)
phf: i like how ascii handles them "i invented what you're talking about, and you're wrong" "eat shit you turncoat"
mircea_popescu: phf the sort of comments he gets on his blog never cease to amaze me.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform good point re the "hack" thing. apparently the reason average cattle doesn't is because ... they CHOOSE not to. not because they cucking fouldn't to save their stinky hides
phf: nah, i'm curious about the scheme83 website
phf: asciilifeform: nah, your still considered to be one of the authorities on lisp from ground up in teh kommuniti
phf: (defvar lords '("mircea_popescu" "asciilifeform" "ben_vulpes")), heh you guys made the planet.lisp.org
a111: Logged on 2016-08-11 23:33 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-11#1518522 <<< ahahaha what, trump is "of course" leading "these hacks" ? libertards concede seat at top of tech pyramid to redneck in chief ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-11#1518584 << the american derpmedia Official Truth is, best as i can discern, that a hack is not, as in actuality, a technological finesse, but a kind of window-smash vandalism
phf: gabriel_laddel wrote a mcclim tutorial https://common-lisp.net/project/mcclim/posts/CLIM-the-galaxys-most-advanced-graphics-toolkit.html
a111: Logged on 2016-08-11 20:36 asciilifeform: it would be quite fitting if the cartel caught a dea guy, tied him to a pole, and forced to drink whole barrel of whisky
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-11#1518539 << 2aminopropane is water miscible ; amphetamine is very slightly soluble. moreover is competitively-soluble with all the sugar crap, so i'd be rather surprised if you can get 5g to stay unprecipitated in a bottle of off the shelf soda/juice/whatever.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-11 18:55 asciilifeform: '"[Trump] is an enabler of Putin, former head of the KGB, and of course is leading all these hacks," Reid said. "It should be a message to America that you can't hold hands with Putin."'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-11#1518522 <<< ahahaha what, trump is "of course" leading "these hacks" ? libertards concede seat at top of tech pyramid to redneck in chief ?
mircea_popescu: why, was the reading properly signed ?
mats: is mp admitting he reads the reddit?
asciilifeform: it would be quite fitting if the cartel caught a dea guy, tied him to a pole, and forced to drink whole barrel of whisky
asciilifeform: (to sip on the way to work??)
asciilifeform: who the hell would even want to smuggle <5g in a bottle, and why.
PeterL: actually, I wouldn't be suprised if meth would dissolve better in apple juice than plain water, so maybe he was telling the truth?
asciilifeform: fella who would rather croak than go to american jail? will claim.
asciilifeform: so long as it is in the bottle, and got out