a111: Logged on 2016-08-15 20:20 ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: your "cool" and her "cool" have ~epsilon to do with each other
pete_dushenski: "Japan’s central bank is set to become the top shareholder of 55 companies in the Nikkei" << this can only be good for fiat
a111: Logged on 2016-08-15 18:31 danielpbarron: my argument isn't that they should wait for mr. perfect. My argument is that they should stick with whoever got her first
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-15#1522021 << this is a very naive view, based on the behaviour of poor beta bois. girls get "passed around" until they meet the right guy. who generally doesn't give much of a shit who she fucks per se ; , but who does make her unavailable for teaming up with rando kids.
pete_dushenski: mod6: pleased to report that 99994k spins up on deb7 without fuss. only comment would be on 'trb-howto' to suggest '-lows' command when booting bitcoind for the first time.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-15 18:29 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in the land of gullible nitwits, https://theshadowbrokers.tumblr.com
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-15#1522015 << what's this, the stick shit on all sides of lulz department ?
a111: Logged on 2016-08-15 18:28 danielpbarron: because 3) has a father who cares
a111: Logged on 2016-08-15 17:53 pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-15#1521781 << this zooko ? the one that failed to launch usg.zcash ? >> http://www.contravex.com/2016/01/25/zcash-will-crash-just-like-gavincoin-garzikcoin-xt-segwit-and-classic-now-you-know/
a111: Logged on 2016-08-15 17:52 thestringpuller: "The share of people under 30 who own a business has fallen by 65 percent since the 1980s and is now at a quarter-century low, according to a Wall Street Journal analysis of Federal Reserve data."
mircea_popescu: "HPSCI had broadly stated that it could withhold any document containing unclassified discussion on any topic that had been considered in executive session during Plaintiffs 17 years of service, as opposed to protecting the substance of Committee proceedings. For instance, this allegedly would apply to any discussion of any budget issue at any time."
ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: your "cool" and her "cool" have ~epsilon to do with each other
asciilifeform: (supports process hide, log cleansing, all of the 1990s fare.)
asciilifeform: lel, buncha magic packet senders in there.
asciilifeform: unrelated, but hilarious, http://www.sfgate.com/nation/article/Suit-warns-of-Russian-back-door-into-U-S-9140446.php >> 'Their suit says Morpho and Safran defrauded the U.S. government and the state of California by falsely claiming their technology as French rather than Russian, violating antitrust laws and presenting false claims for payment.'
phf: somehow you can't just hold one variable, just cause you will it to be so. them dependency graphs find SAT, and the solution is might surprise you!
trinque: danielpbarron should have no problem with him; his swimmers won't be able to go the distance
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: can't stand cocks in his porn, danielpbarron can't stand his cock touching a cunt that might have had other cocks in it!
asciilifeform: interestingly, the 'free file' in earlier link contains what appears to be massive collection of nsa exploit installers
phf: trinque: presumably the argument is that she gets through a lot of sucky people before she gets to you, at which point you're not interested
phf: whachamacallit, "riding the cock carousel"
asciilifeform: e. This is good proof no? You enjoy!!! You break many things. You find many intrusions. You write many words. But not all, we are auction the best files.'
trinque: that's like waiting to get a job when the job for your True Self (TM) comes along
a111: Logged on 2015-11-18 22:29 phf: they call him the elusive joe. -- nobody can catch him? -- nobody cares to
a111: Logged on 2016-08-14 23:03 mod6: ;;later tell danielpbarron You wanna help the Foundation test the latest V99994 incantation?
a111: Logged on 2016-08-15 12:34 mircea_popescu: dude fucking twitter is unreadable now. most of the screen is a "promoted tweet" which 1) has exactly nothing to do with anything and 2) is exactly the sort of slimy, anticool, "here's me being sexy - with a hoodie" stupidity. it's like all the girls that dedicated their adolescence to "abstinence only" moved on to "corporate advertising / governance" or some shit.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-15 12:11 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-15#1521770 << why isn't zooko in the wot, incidentally!
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-15#1521781 << this zooko ? the one that failed to launch usg.zcash ? >> http://www.contravex.com/2016/01/25/zcash-will-crash-just-like-gavincoin-garzikcoin-xt-segwit-and-classic-now-you-know/
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: oof.
thestringpuller: "The share of people under 30 who own a business has fallen by 65 percent since the 1980s and is now at a quarter-century low, according to a Wall Street Journal analysis of Federal Reserve data."
pete_dushenski: mod6: no prob. send on over the v99994 url.
mircea_popescu: for everyone else - there's the wot. and the fucking important point from this view of republican history to date is just this : we've actually built a selection of magic spells that are both a) magic to the user and b) fixable through a definite process.
mircea_popescu: hence all the appeal of "colored coins" "dao" blablabla. to people with no experience or clue of reality whatsoever, it truly seems like a complete solution - commodification without the downsides!!!
mircea_popescu: (the most successful to date thing tried, to resolve this - commodification - is turning out to be worse a solution than no solution at all. between dicamba, alf's saw, my heater and hollywood movies, the point is pretty sorely obvious.)
mircea_popescu: so this is far from a resolved problem. no actual action is required of you ; merely the understanding suffices.
mircea_popescu: the deep problem is that any known implementation of division of labour imports magic.h
phf: it was my last link to jet setters, men of the world
phf sits there sadly with his hsbc account
mircea_popescu: tautology is the last ditch in the fight with they who do not wish to understand the plainly obvious. there's little more to be said to "i just want it to work" crowd than some tautology or other, because the problem in their head is exactly this : to them, it ISNT tautological.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is quite true, but tautological - 'magic' is definitionally the set of things you can't pop the hood on and fix
mircea_popescu: anyway. the problem with the world that "magically" works is that if one day it magically stops working you're invited to go magically fuck yourself.
mircea_popescu: but who knows, maybe if they give google its cut they'll be able to place bonds in a year or two again. paul graham has the details.
mircea_popescu: (+the government of argentina - which is currently paying google money to advertise itself to me, in terms of "soberania". the lulz of this is apparently lost for every spanish speaking tard)
mircea_popescu: the whole market is not even 1% that, and mostly fed by very short lived foools
asciilifeform: last i recall they moved to this weird lease thing.
asciilifeform: if somehow (dun ask me how!) folks stop buyin' the pnoje - it'll be run on pure synthetic printolade oil, like, e.g., ford.
mircea_popescu: generally, once the founder dies you can assume usg got it. just liek in roman empire.
mircea_popescu: in general, companies have a serious problem - because unless they're on the "official list google returns results from", the business case is rather weak - companies don't live too long. bank has little reason to try and salvage the business of an entity that lives on average under a decade.
asciilifeform: rich folk buy the death ray from 'ghostbuster' i imagine.
asciilifeform: hey gotta trap them evil spirits somehow !
mircea_popescu: yes, and also the reason pretty much everyone in mexico has dreamcatcher on wall.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is one of the reasons pretty much everyone in usa owns shredder machine
mircea_popescu: also the described hobo-rubbish thing actually happened irl. there's tons of sad stories of the middle class encountering us bank system.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no official smokescreen per se ; just, the us is predicated on "saying no is mean". what follows is soup.
mircea_popescu: anyway, not to say that the patient, organised, large entity can't actually tailor something that works for them ; but for retail (ie, you're worth millions or less) customer to expect they get THAT by default is cruisin' for a bruisin'. which is not so much of a problem generally because the lifestyle of us peonry is very narrow anyway.
phf: ah but you have to have the counterparty
phf: asciilifeform: banks don't have to close the account, and if your account has been linked to visa, they have to keep it mandatory open for the duration of something like 10 years from your last transaction, which is how long visa network can claim a chargeback
phf: asciilifeform: i don't think that's "secret", that's somewhere in the contract that you sign with a visa network, which is separate from bank's contract
mircea_popescu: just like there is no "fuck you and your alimony, until and unless customer signs you a checque you can go dangle"
mircea_popescu: there's no "closed account" artefact, in spite of customer intuition to the contrary.
asciilifeform: phf: the 'they keep your closed acct secretly open so that spammers, in league with bank, can keep charging it' is not in any contract afaik.
mircea_popescu: phf depends. you mean "the overdraft thing" as a feature to serve you, or as a feature to serve them ?
asciilifeform: what's the court circus for a tort like this look like ?
mircea_popescu: and then keeps sending you overdraft notices, and on and on.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how's this work, you take out the money, and bank extends you line of credit against your will ?
mircea_popescu: that's not what you most stand to lose. what you most stand to lose is this situation where you "lose it", and tell the bank to close it, which they won't, so have to be screamed at and threatened, so they "do", except they keep re-opening it as the charges keep coming in, over ~years~.
phf: i find it convenient, that, so far, i was able to walk into branches in different parts of the world, and extract 2-3k at a time to cover me for a few days of vacation. sometimes i also get sloppy (3am, i'm drunk), so i'll pull money from atm in some dodgy location
mircea_popescu: they mostly don't, and the "i'm not about to use card in foreign skimreader slit" is unescapable policy in plenty of real life situations.
asciilifeform: the 'they stole yer purse? here's yer $300 back' thing is really a mousetrap cheese, to keep plebes from waking up to the scamolade of fiat bank as a class
mircea_popescu: but you know, the nightmare scenario is when seven+ figure account is linked to half a dozen cards which regularly pay for things such as "dinner for six at chez victor".
asciilifeform: 'here have the candy bar back'
thestringpuller: trinque: lemme rephrase; MPEx::Bitcion as X::USD what is X? Obviously no bank qualifies there.
mircea_popescu: phf to put it in these terms, your high opinion of your insurance is mostly built on you not having had anything covered.
phf: mircea_popescu: i wouldn't say hsbc branches are everywhere, but they've been in every country i've been to so far
trinque: y'know... I bet he has a few of them buttcoins.
thestringpuller: so you don't leave any cash in banks or like what is the arrangement there is more what I'm inquring about :P
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller yes, having access to cash requires you to have access to cash.
thestringpuller: pull a rack off the stack and make a roll
mircea_popescu: but manhattan hq was "oh, we can't do that, they're not actually OURS" when i wanted them to etc.
phf: they turned you down when you walked in?
mircea_popescu: and no, you can't find a branch pretty much anywhere outside the us. what you find and don't know any better are independent organisations that bought the right to use the name.
mircea_popescu: if i have a roll and i want to pay 2k, i peel 2k off the roll. if i have a card i do what, wait for a week to get 400 / day ?
phf: that's another thing, can find a branch pretty much anywhere
asciilifeform: phf: supposedly. i have not tested the 'world' part, dun particularly relish feeding card skimmer debit card
thestringpuller: mod6: it's insane man. the AI in Absolution is a beast. when you kill someone normally, like with gun or fiber wire, it leaves marks on the body, and AI will see that. so they detect someone is there. however, there are ways people can die where the AI is just like "Huh. That's a shitty way to go." For instance I put some kinda acid in this d00ds hair regrowing gel or whatever. he puts it on, and it melts his head off and everyone aro
phf: asciilifeform: as far as i gather they have highest ground coverage of all banks on account of running the world, which means that i can get a no fee atm pretty much anywhere
mircea_popescu: yeah. the very sharp desperation come to think of it was more of a ro thing. everyone else, from yugos and poles all the way over to moscow had a lot more sense than to take socialism seriously.
asciilifeform: drug task force assigned to O’Hare International Airport in Chicago before he retired in 2007, told the newspaper...'
asciilifeform: 'Two years ago, Amtrak’s inspector general revealed that in nearly two decades, drug agents paid a secretary $854,460 in exchange for passenger information. Court records suggest that agents have been profiling passengers on most major airlines, including American, Delta, JetBlue, Southwest, United and others, usually without the companies’ consent. ... “We want the cash. Good agents chase cash,” George Hood, who supervised a
asciilifeform: http://www.orrazz.com/2016/08/we-want-cash-drug-agents-seize-209mn-in.html << in other lulz.
mircea_popescu: and in other morning shower thoughts, http://67.media.tumblr.com/7e58fd69aa991656ace8a66cb7719d5d/tumblr_mynatycCdI1t2iu5ho1_500.gif << "i love chicks with small hands. they make my schlong look longer than their thigh"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ironically the question proves his point.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's basically speed dating for people who suck too much to admit they are lonely
asciilifeform: all that comes up in my head is a gavin ballmering at the podium, 'big blox, big blox!' (to the tune of 'developersdevelopers' (tm) (r) naturally)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can't help but wonder wtf actually goes on at these conferences
a111: Logged on 2014-07-07 14:00 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'terminator seed' is actually a very intriguing instrument from the standpoint of the mega-state. solves the ancient problem of the peasants not really needing the state for much of anything (as described in j. scott's 'the art of not being governed.')
asciilifeform: iirc the money went specifically to pay for probate lawyers.
asciilifeform: but mircea_popescu this is not even the most monumental wtf, recall when 'symbolics.com', ~first~ .com ever regged, was auctioned off to spammers ?
mircea_popescu: An email address like no other, launching in early December 2012 for limited release. Your favourite email host meets Goatse..." />
asciilifeform: holy mother of fuck.
mircea_popescu: piece of shit google listing cakes and corporashithead light jokes. goatse.cx is gone... \
a111: Logged on 2016-08-15 12:13 mircea_popescu: and then szabo goes on to hurr while blogging on google's platform. sigh.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-15#1521785 << i confess to wondering, of whom there is more - 'blog on proper, hand-admin'd machine' people, or of gentoo users.'
a111: Logged on 2016-08-15 06:16 BingoBoingo: In other PGP short id collisions https://slashdot.org/submission/6212493/pgp-short-id-collision-attacks-continued-now-targeted-linus-torvalds
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-15#1521780 << these take at worst a ~week of (a very modest) cpu, to generate.
a111: Logged on 2015-01-30 05:50 mircea_popescu: the socialist state does not want a normally functioning society, but instead this stellar configuration where the state is at the center,
a111: Logged on 2015-02-03 23:23 mircea_popescu: "why vote for women ? because if women spend more time talking to the state and less talking to their husbands, the state will be stronger and society weaker"
mircea_popescu: hey asciilifeform can you find the first reference for "star pattern" ?
mircea_popescu: motherfucker
asciilifeform: ('veracrypt' is apparently the umpteenth reincarnation of 'truecrypt')
thestringpuller: Nimoy was the only one who posted anything interested out of Shatner, Takei and himself, but he dead now.
thestringpuller: https://twitter.com/GeorgeTakei/status/765023226887942144 << nah the asian dude from the original star trek that came out as being gay a few years back and became a public figurehead for the US gay community
mircea_popescu: is this the guy with the story about how he fucked a 16yo french girl on the riviera because at the time ?
mircea_popescu: dude fucking twitter is unreadable now. most of the screen is a "promoted tweet" which 1) has exactly nothing to do with anything and 2) is exactly the sort of slimy, anticool, "here's me being sexy - with a hoodie" stupidity. it's like all the girls that dedicated their adolescence to "abstinence only" moved on to "corporate advertising / governance" or some shit.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-15 04:55 asciilifeform: in other oldz, http://iang.org/ssl/pki_considered_harmful.html << 'nobody foresaw!!1111'
mircea_popescu: and then szabo goes on to hurr while blogging on google's platform. sigh.
mircea_popescu: where by so on i mean truly basic stuff such as "what happens to a tub when you open the faucets and plug the drain ???"
mircea_popescu: anyway. gathering some data would lead us to FIRST think about "disease, poverty war". THEN after we've grown out of kindergarten and its infantile emotional responses, it would lead us to think about our priors, such as "Every life is sacred", and so on.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-15 04:46 asciilifeform: http://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2006/01/death-by-government.html << lulz in the commentz
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-15#1521770 << why isn't zooko in the wot, incidentally!
BingoBoingo: In other PGP short id collisions https://slashdot.org/submission/6212493/pgp-short-id-collision-attacks-continued-now-targeted-linus-torvalds
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2016/08/14/a-tale-of-two-papers/ << Bingo Blog - A Tale Of Two Papers
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: attn danielpbarron shinohai and other tweetmailers https://twitter.com/qntra/status/765051127129788416 https://twitter.com/qntra/status/765051445359972352
asciilifeform: in other oldz, http://iang.org/ssl/pki_considered_harmful.html << 'nobody foresaw!!1111'
BingoBoingo: And the meat of the Dicamba saga ends, all that's left is gloating and epitaphs http://qntra.net/2016/08/dicamba-disaster-continues-destruction/
asciilifeform: http://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2006/01/death-by-government.html << lulz in the commentz
mircea_popescu: what the fuck happened to sandra milo's ass!
mircea_popescu: so if one googles "sandra milo ass", as one legitimately would after watching la visita, one finds naught but http://sandrarose.com/2016/07/the-story-behind-leslie-jones-vs-milo-twitter-brawl/ and such inept shit.
mod6: <+thestringpuller> mod6: hitman has taught me that a lot of accidents in the world may not have been accidents << aha, 'tis a great game isn't it?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well they are in 18th century.
thestringpuller: mod6: hitman has taught me that a lot of accidents in the world may not have been accidents
asciilifeform: well hm, i'd say it does, but the deception is that there are now '100 yachts' for same value of 'yacht' as when there were 10
mircea_popescu: it'd seem, to my naive intuition, that the interest alone couldn't explain this weird.
mircea_popescu: the pruned-middle being a reference to buffett and that fiscal discussion, "in which you become grain"
asciilifeform: well no mega-seekrit as to why - middle is where the actionable meat lives, and you wouldn't want ~that~ openly discussed...
mircea_popescu: idiotic nonproblems and extremely advanced problems are discussed ; but there's no discussion of anything to bridge that gap.
asciilifeform: ull, sporting one hundred yachts, the fact that the monetary inflation is matched by corresponding inflation of yacht volumes doesn't help you any : you're now stuck with ninety more fuckwits on your wharf, and yachting shall never be the same. This is definitely inflation.'
asciilifeform: 'Once the organised thieves started their attack on prosperity, inflation was redefined to "mean" something meaningless, to wit "a disparity between the increase in means of payment and the increase in available goods and services". This is poppycock, primarily because if on a wharf somewhere there's ten yachts which each cost one million, then you and your nine friends are THE ten people with yachts. If tomorrow the wharf is chock-f
asciilifeform was recently reading vintage trilema, and happened upon http://trilema.com/2014/the-basics-of-banking-a-discussion - which is quite pertinent to the recent inflation thread,
asciilifeform: 'Ya I wont be betting on this site until they pay the winners for the original trump nominee bet, very shady behaivor.' << holy mother of fuck.
trinque: appears to be the only way to have working items
asciilifeform: in unrelated nonnews, looking at what is in bbet today, folks who a) willing to use it b) follow mircea_popescu's logic re clitler - stand to make some coin, possibly: https://bitbet.us/bet/1256/donald-trump-will-win-the-2016-united-states
mircea_popescu: this is about on par with their performance generally.
asciilifeform: hah there it is.
asciilifeform: what the hell exactly ~is~ it
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: didja ever explain the 'Ni Una Menos' thing ?
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other dongs, http://66.media.tumblr.com/e8288199e7e976609832a18973b02d92/tumblr_n173tsKLcH1t55va3o5_400.gif
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mod6: this is mainly a learning device anyway. as now I can take what i've learned here and apply it to the makefiles.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mod6: with some additional work (encoding & signing the buildroot deps) and a simple guide, this could be a thing shortly.
mod6: essentially, i've taken all the buildroot deps (typically collected from the wan), along with the trb deeds, placed them in a local dir with the build script (modified to suit this process) and launched.
thestringpuller: turns out the FED physically delivers cash without KYC everyday. who'd of thought?
mircea_popescu: and ftr people routinely leave bitcoin in other people's pockets. just, in other PEOPLE's pockets. not every walker is people now.
znort987: mircea_popescu: was just pointing out that I ought to actually look at what I'm looking at. Re bitfinex: neve understood why people would want ever leave their coinz in other people's pockets. pretty much negates everything bitcoin is about.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-14 17:29 Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-13#1520649 && https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/4xj6uw/bitcoin_previously_had_all_the_properties_that/d6fwloo && http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-04#1445489 << ...soo, has anyone an idea how hawala-like exchange structures for say bitcoin could be encouraged? i've read and liked http://thestringpuller.com/2016/06/bitcoin-in-wakanda/ which is more of a vision of course..
thestringpuller: Framedragger: in regards to http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-14#1521475 << I was trying to make a point in regards to Ver's idealism. Currently if 1993 AOL "mass adoption" occurs, the underbanked will inevitably be left out due to lacking infrastructure of the sovereign nature. Ver despite calling himself an anarchist is still willing to suck the USG dick, which helps no one. The fact he responded with "You found a new business opportun
mircea_popescu: see the faq, it includes sample code even
znort987: so IIUC this is a unalterable log of "things stated by GPG key owners" that are somehow shoehorned into the blockchain ? How does the shoehorning actually work ? Do it cost coinz ?
a111: Logged on 2016-08-14 19:36 znort987: so anyhoo ... reason I'm here is simply to make a statement: bitbet is whole, not a cent of customer funds is ever accessible from the internet, and bitfinex was *never* used (nor were any other online wallets / exchanges / etc ...)
mircea_popescu: ftr, you understand how deeds work ? that'd be the cannonical application for stuff like http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-14#1521562
znort987: like I said earlier, the fact I had never sent email that wasn't encrypted nor signed during the bitbet auction should have been a dead giveaway that it wasn't me talking.
mircea_popescu: hey, there's good reasons not to use email as "security"
znort987: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-14#1521634 << unfortunate combo of yahoo security model flaw (they claimed they "obsoleted" security questions when in fact the "obsoleted" part means they can't be changed but can still be used for account recovery) and my being careless/lazy (security question/answers were weak and I never bothered to fix while I could).
asciilifeform: one motherfucking broken hand tool at a time.
mircea_popescu: duralumin actually is perfect for that application. and yes, cheapest than just about anything, incl the plastic.
mircea_popescu: dude what the fuck.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-14#1521615 << you familiar with the original source of the phrase "vae victis" ?
mircea_popescu: the notion of catering to consumer is rather orthogonal to the notion of being in bitcoin. this breach must be addressed early and cleanly, lest management of any project spends all its time hopping up and down aimlessly.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-14 19:48 asciilifeform: znort987: i'd say that getting out of coinbase, and similar insanity, or at the very least 'washing' their coinz, if they insist on using usgbase, is the responsibility of the affected users, not of bbet.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-14 19:45 danielpbarron: they are helping you select for decent customers
mircea_popescu: check out who suddenly grew a pair of balls! the perambulating dickhead "entrepreneur"
a111: Logged on 2016-08-14 19:43 znort987: coinbase threatens their customers with account closure if they are caught either sending to or receiving from bbet
mircea_popescu: in other news i had drinks with the dominicans running the official bar of the hos do kids' day event ; will put pics up as soon as im done with this log
phf: right, exactly, the sentiment was "these cars consistently kill the driver and a dozen of people on the roade, bicycles sound not half bad now"
a111: Logged on 2016-08-14 18:50 phf: well, there is the wot, though nobody here as far as i know is buying/selling. there was also bitcoin-otc, which from what i hear died. i actually tried buying 10btc from a guy that was in bitcoin-otc wot, but we were l3, and he understandably bulked
a111: Logged on 2016-08-14 18:47 phf: Framedragger: i was saying hawala as an alternative to bitcoin. that was when we were looking closely at the implementation and finding all kinds of insanity. hawala is a system for tracking long term exposure, and you forego collateral because you have "fuck same woman" wot (i suspect there's still collateral involved when exposure is too high). you don't need hawal when you have near instant calls.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger [,,,] .soo, has anyone an idea how hawala-like exchange structures for say bitcoin could be encouraged? << yes. http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/
a111: Logged on 2015-03-23 00:23 mircea_popescu: but yes, the entire "taint" bullshit does not work. the correct avenue is exactly the reverse : require to be paid only in "proper" bitcoin, that is to say, bitcoin traceable to X or Y or Z purchase, from agent of the crown, which fictitiously has title.
mats: something prevents them from mixing?
znort987: mats: nope. wallet used to send payouts has all kinds of addies in it. it has a lot of 1X* because when I rebuild the cold wallet I pumped 20K addies in it at once, and they all came out that way.
asciilifeform: znort987: i'd say that getting out of coinbase, and similar insanity, or at the very least 'washing' their coinz, if they insist on using usgbase, is the responsibility of the affected users, not of bbet.
znort987: on the other hand, if we hide them behind - say - a user account, or hash, or encrypt them with a user public key, we remove transparency
asciilifeform: mats: as i understand, his contention was that the heuristic ~does not work~, rather than 'should not be relied on'
znort987: asciilifeform, danielpbarron: coinbase is not the issue. the core issue is that by making addies public, it affects coinz fungibility.
asciilifeform: znort987: what, then, is the issue? if you ran a winery that took btc, and found out that saudi arabia chops off noses of folks who were found with tx buying your wine, you would do what?
znort987: asciilifeform: yeah, but that's not the issue
a111: Logged on 2016-08-12 23:14 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-12#1519996 << this is altogether unclear. this "the people have the right to trace the coins" is a) still nonsense, bitcoin is not traceable ; b) still nonsense, forget the "dao" bullshit ; c) still nonsense, you trust the operator or you don't trust the operator.
asciilifeform: znort987: coinbase, as you probably already know, is owned and operated by enemies of bitcoin and the free world at large, from its first day.
znort987: coinbase threatens their customers with account closure if they are caught either sending to or receiving from bbet
znort987: asciilifeform: correct. a bet was paid 72 hours late. RL got in the way. Unfortunate, but nothing to do with solvency.
znort987: second statement, likely not needed for this crowd bu has to be in the log: znort987@yahoo.com is a compromised email, please ignore anything coming from there unless gpg-signed
znort987: so anyhoo ... reason I'm here is simply to make a statement: bitbet is whole, not a cent of customer funds is ever accessible from the internet, and bitfinex was *never* used (nor were any other online wallets / exchanges / etc ...)
mats: the o-noes-i'm-a-victim bit is played out.
mats: kako is blameless in the divorce, in his mind
mats: never mind the bit where he tried to take coins that didn't belong to him, used to seed bets...
mats: besides the ol' 'mp is a scammer!1', of course
phf: danielpbarron: jerkcity just came up in a conversation with some oldfags. it doesn't really translate and is part of a now dead culture. there's also http://yellow5.com/pokey/ and some others that i will probably go "oh man i remember thaaat one." if i were to see it. it's back when absurd non sequiturs typed in all caps was a thing, somehow it's part of hacker culture, which i think goes back to zippy the pinhead
znort987: anyways ... spent the day chasing the damage he's wrecking in various accounts that were linked to that email
znort987: thing is: I never, ever sent an email to either of these 3 that wasn't a) encrypted b) signed
znort987: is deedbot the assbot of #trilema
phf: i like the first comment, "How many years has ThePirateBay been up? They’re not going to shut down the bitcoin network".