phf: but yeah self control is important, and i think a lot of people who do it through their lives turn into alcoholics
phf: you do proper квас-ing by pacing yourself, but also eating appetizers and small meals (traditional shit like pickles or black bread or salted herring). also there are some rules, like "always go from lower abv to higher"
phf: russians have a concept for it, "квасить" to drink socially in a controlled manner. failure at квас is seen as a character flaw. a grownup is supposed to go be able to go at it for like 5-6 hours without the embarrassing "passing out face first into the salad" eventual outcome. when you're in your 30s, you should be able to do it for 5-6 hours, then be able to freshen up and do work, etc.
BingoBoingo: And fuck your two bottles of wine crap unless the wine has a name like Thunderbird, Night Train, or Sysco
BingoBoingo: Or do you plan on having three beers to celebrate graduating from socialist US school only to discover you have become a Lord of the Greatest Republic.
shinohai: Well I have a bottle or 2 of wine on occasion, then maybe not touch a drop for 2-3 months.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell covertress Why would anyone not want to be seen here? The light here is very flattering. Anyways there are only two things a person NEEDS in their life. The Most Serene Republic and Sobriety. The second one is debatable.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Where are the lulz in heroic jap station wagon swats pedellerast traffic nuisance?
a111: Logged on 2016-08-20 21:17 mod6: the goal is and remains this: get the trb build infrastructure completed, once and for all. close out this portion of development with the completion of that (Makefiles) and a subsequent tying vpatch to mark the milestone.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-20#1526048 << just a thing for the longterm, mod6 . gotta start thinking in v-process terms.
mircea_popescu: we'll end up with a ring of axxx's working together to mutually inhibit each other so only one thing ends in logs. like retina cells.
mircea_popescu: we'll end up with a ring of axxx's working together to mutually inhibit each other so only one thing ends in logs. like retina cells.
mircea_popescu: we'll end up with a ring of axxx's working together to mutually inhibit each other so only one thing ends in logs. like retina cells.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-20#1526002 << this is so crazy, i live in the flood plain at the end of one of the world's largest rivers, i fondly recall seeing a mosquito. six months ago.
phf: there we go again
mircea_popescu: that closes his bitcoin career then.
mircea_popescu: and that rather goes for you too : the log is here to make you less stupid. spend at least 100x as much reading it as you spend writing into it, and certainly do not eat anything in any day you've not read at least a thousand lines.
mircea_popescu: then fuck him. i specifically do not wish to hear anything he has to say.
covertress: he's too busy, atm. other clients.
mircea_popescu: suppose you tell whoever to go through the motions himself.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bingoboingo "Following the news of a serious RNG bug affecting all GPG versions a low energy shitgnome campaign of apologetics and "not that bad" followed." << can i get a "The fact that hundreds of GPG keys have been Phuctored in the past year has, of course, nothing to do with all this." added ?
mircea_popescu: once more, wise latinos rescue the ship of state.
mircea_popescu: "On Thursday following their acquisition by Univision, Gawker media announced that their former flagship Gawker.com would be shuttered next week." << lol. "all the 'jouralists' have been reclassified as actresses (which is what they always hoped for anyway), playing ugly betty in the 194 unilever sitcoms currently under production. this translates to a 85% pay increase across the board, and their spoken lines will be drastica
mircea_popescu: in other teenaged life news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9prxy8ZCL1rsxgsgo1_400.gif
shinohai: And those are just the reasons you'll hate him!
mod6: I'll give it another week, sound ok?
mod6: No apology required. Was just checking incase I missed something there.
mod6: But yeah, will certainly be reviewing those and regrinding them as needed if they pass the vetting process and are added to the tree.
mod6: I can certainly help with that process if someone wants to do this on their own.
phf: mod6: i don't think you understood what we were saying, but certainly nobody's expecting you to grind vpatches as a "service to others", so please don't
mod6: because if so, I think it's had enough testing to send along to the ML and website. get all that updated so people can use that.
mod6: danielpbarron: here's a qq, were you ever able to successfully build bitcoind with the build-bitcoind-V99994.sh ?
mod6: I've got 14 new deeds that I'm about ready to sign and have tested before feeding them to deedbot.
mod6: And the problem is, if I regrind & sign these patches now, it'd just have to do it again after these other two things are complete anyway.
mod6: Then all newer things that have been submitted can be examined/tested etc.
mod6: the goal is and remains this: get the trb build infrastructure completed, once and for all. close out this portion of development with the completion of that (Makefiles) and a subsequent tying vpatch to mark the milestone.
mod6: and i guess furthermore, if it's needed for me to regrind these four vpatches as a service for others...
mod6: anyway, im sure it would work fine. at the same time, not sure i'd want to spend hours/days setting up a box for eulora.
mod6: well, mainly. i guess. the emerge thing still gets me from time to time.
mod6: i just laughed because of the previous tribulations with gentoo. i'm fine with it now that i'm over that hump.
mod6: so if i see the "dump priv key" patch out there on btcbase or found somewhere else (it's not included in the patches in thebitcoin.foundation's site), then i'd pull that vpatch down, regrind it myself, and place it into patches where I can apply it myself as a "WILD" patch.
mod6: <+phf> asciilifeform: i did, he said something about "this being work in progress and don't want to commit" or somesuch << i could regrind them, yeah. ideally, each who want to use these unexamined items should do so on their own accord, placing them in their patches directory as a "WILD" patch. Until the day when the foundation moves forward and folds them in after examination and testing.
mod6: pposed to replace it <+phf> instead. obviously this doesn't make for pretty graphs, so i don't upload it << yup. there's a planned vpatch for this. bunch of discussions. just been focusing my attention on trb build stuff lately.
mod6: <+phf> there's periodically things that claim to be vpatches, but they don't have genesis. i think a notable example of that is v.pl, which has been published as v.pl, and then followed up by vpatches that are supposed to superseded each other rather than form a chain. generally i've seen that pattern a lot, people publish something, than publish a second vpatch, that doesn't build on previous vpatch, but su
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> so if i want to publish a vpatch today, how do i go about it ? <+jurov> ofc you can send it to mailing list. and to phf via deedbot, and maybe some other places i dunno? << i always just send mine to the ml
phf: only thing i can't figure out with asciilifeform's killfile is how to get laptop to do apm related stuff. the main package depends on dbus
ben_vulpes: the fifth time
shinohai: It works fine for me, just the video issues I had, but others assure me the chetty mod would fix.
mod6: and, yah, maybe it'd be something else other than ubuntu, but *shrug*.
mod6: maybe i should yield and throw ubuntu on it and make that the new eulora box.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: http://bikeportland.org/2016/08/20/speeding-driver-kills-teenage-girl-who-was-crossing-se-hawthorne-189858 << "weather"?
shinohai: Yeah kind of a local thing. I have a really hard time finding it in other places.
mod6: the mosquitos are flying in squadrons
mod6: ah, good. been raining a ton up here. good for the veggies though.
BingoBoingo: Maybe see if any lulz is happening in metals markets? Skip the precious stuff though because boring.
shinohai: This is the slowest news month for Qntra since I started contributing.
BingoBoingo: Hark, the herald angels bring almost news http://qntra.net/2016/08/not-quite-news-roundup-xtend-2-tmr/
mircea_popescu: exactly nothing burns down if you do stupid shit to early v projects, much like exactly nothing burns down if instead of using the keyboard normally, you try typing with your big toes.
asciilifeform: this is the minimal bar.
asciilifeform: just as with electric grid, which is imperfect, but NOTHING the konsooomer can to do HIS mains socket, will burn down entire city.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not really - if i shit in my btctron, the most that can burn down is my own house.
mircea_popescu: there's "promise" in the bitcoin protocol that you'll type digits where the digits go.
asciilifeform: even of the 'dao' thread.
asciilifeform: this thread is quite reminiscent of the gpg key-revocation thread.
asciilifeform: P' brings down curse upon the kingdom, and slowly despoils the lands, spreads madness.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: argument was not 'oh we'll fudge it, and no one will know the difference!1111'
mircea_popescu: for that matter, i daresay i've seen the sad fruits of "results-oriented programming" for lo these many decades, and in honestly i could have done with a whole lot less of it.
mircea_popescu: the republic is a deductive affair.
mircea_popescu: anyway - the more general point here, important and boldly underlined, is that WE ARE NOT RESULTS DRIVEN. the "results", factual or probable, certain or disputed, are no part of the fucking decision process.
mircea_popescu: i get it, it's pretty fucking revolutionarily wild, and taken seriously teh mind needs some time to digest the whole thing. not a problem. but in the meanwhile gotta keep things clean so the poor soul actually has a port to come to when he comes.
phf: so i think mircea_popescu has alergy to broken thinking, which is there plenty. retrofitting "equivalent solution" in this case is going to mask the fact that the process was not v, but something else entirely made to look like v post factum. you might as well export git history into v patches
mircea_popescu: i'm sure he will ; but the important point here is not that as much as the principle of teh thing.
mircea_popescu: mostly because the recorded result is so far pretty fucking distant from itself.
asciilifeform: at any rate, ask mod6 to regrind, he made how many, 4 of these ?
mircea_popescu: tell you what : i remember the process just fine ; has nothing to do with "the recorded result".
mircea_popescu: and wtf with the argumentum ad populum. i care "what people do" about as much as i care about "probable results"
asciilifeform: phf: then it is a clusterfuck.
mircea_popescu: this is neither true nor relevant.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is very easy to say, but not only did we not have generations pass, but even after just one year, much of what anyone remembers about 'the process' comes entirely from the recorded result.
phf: asciilifeform: but there's also no existing vpatch sequence. there's N vpatches, that are all genesis children. you're supposed to know that N+1 supersedes N
mircea_popescu: the process will not have been equal ; and process interests me. you can go take the results behind a shed and shoot them./
asciilifeform: i am not about to pretend that mathematically idempotent things are different.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the result will be exactly equal.
mircea_popescu: there's places for flexibility ; but this isn't one. i dun even wanna think about "creative" solutions such as "retrocreate a genesis". just god damned it already, take the code, sign it, and then patch on the basis of that.
mircea_popescu: the point is to use it as such.
asciilifeform: ergo it has own genesis - mod6's first publication thereof.
mircea_popescu: sure ; and there's multiple people and not everyone's yet mentally comfortable with the whole thing which is why people do the "patch replacing patch" thing.
asciilifeform: umm there are multiple proggies.
mircea_popescu: no sale ; no deal and no further discussion. there is A genesis, and everything else obeys this.
asciilifeform: then persuade original author to sign.
asciilifeform: (simply take the initial publication and diff against an empty dir.)
mircea_popescu: and everyone doing that : wouldja stop fucking with the live wires and use the civilised process!
mircea_popescu: phf yeah, very sensible not to upload them.
phf: *then
phf: there's periodically things that claim to be vpatches, but they don't have genesis. i think a notable example of that is v.pl, which has been published as v.pl, and then followed up by vpatches that are supposed to superseded each other rather than form a chain. generally i've seen that pattern a lot, people publish something, than publish a second vpatch, that doesn't build on previous vpatch, but supposed to replace it
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the trend of calling them "financial products" btw smacks of the whole "they fail at trading but succeed at feeling like a trader". basically western banking is moving into las vegas' niche, which is why that port got sanded.
phf: the only patch that was uploaded this way is http://btcbase.org/patches/phf-shiva-swank obviously done by me
phf: there's also http://btcbase.org/upload, this checks vpatch against seal and posts it http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=uploads
phf: mircea_popescu and co, there's no deedbot process. at the frequency of vpatches, whenever i see one, i just uploaded it to btcbase. and by see, i mean it's posted to a log or just mentioned
asciilifeform: with the golden: 'Banks are seeking to encourage depositors to shift their cash out of deposit accounts into other financial products.'
mircea_popescu: "and as it isn't ready or willing to allow clients to cash out... BANKING IS NOT A TAX (says the SCROTUK)
asciilifeform: 'Some big corporate clients of Royal Bank of Scotland (RBS.L) face the prospect of paying to hold deposits with the bank from Monday as it becomes the first lender in Britain to charge negative interest rates.'
mircea_popescu: pretty sure it still does them pairwise
mircea_popescu: i have eight sets of "sb" (solid branch) : 503 q 222 ; 1466 q 3 ; 973 q 207 ; 983 q 252 ; 1651 q 258 ; 2963 q 189 ; 563 q 22 and 336 q 225. the first number is the count, the second the quality (depends on your mining, whatever) ; you can mix these, the game will floor the average quality. this means you can lose matter through mixing, so you want to mix stacks so as to obtain the highest possible quality final.
mircea_popescu: here's a nice eulora knapsack problem for anyone looking to sharpen their ACTUAL computer science skills :
a111: Logged on 2016-08-20 14:18 mircea_popescu: so far vpatch production not exactly deluvional in the first place.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-20#1525872 << there remains nothing that is a trivial fix, afaik, only mega-surgeries that promise not only to mutilate 'grandfather's pistol' but even to bolt-shit-on-side...
a111: Logged on 2016-08-20 14:16 jurov: ofc you can send it to mailing list. and to phf via deedbot, and maybe some other places i dunno?
asciilifeform: it is still the authoritative history of trb.
mircea_popescu: so far vpatch production not exactly deluvional in the first place.
mircea_popescu: ah yeah, there's also deedbot process. how does that work again phf ?
jurov: ofc you can send it to mailing list. and to phf via deedbot, and maybe some other places i dunno?
jurov: no idea, there was supposed to be no cannonical anything with v
mircea_popescu: jurov actually, it's still the cannonical way to publish vpatches, no ?
mircea_popescu: the coupla times i used it, i recall it working (after cutting through a mess of operator error).
jurov: me neither
mircea_popescu: ah the mail list ?
a111: Logged on 2016-08-19 17:48 asciilifeform: in fact, iirc it is no longer even necessary to have actual dope, there are folks doing time for packets of sugar and flour.
Framedragger: http://thelongandshort.org/society/war-on-cash (cached: http://archive.is/WinMO) - some parts read naive, but overall an okay piece.
jurov: mircea_popescu: my 2016 work was just monthly reports and btc.yt maintenance, about 4hrs total. There's another 20hrs turdatron upgrade/maint but seems that went to waste.
mod6: this was a great read: http://trilema.com/2016/the-text-and-the-piddly-recantion/
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> in fact, iirc it is no longer even necessary to have actual dope, there are folks doing time for packets of sugar and flour. << http://qntra.net/2016/08/man-jailed-after-allegedly-spiking-utah-police-sergeants-lemonade/
ben_vulpes: ohey archive won't eat the linkedin lulz
covertress: as I've spent a very busy few sleepless days/nights out of the country, I'll say my goodnights now
mircea_popescu: they can't really trust software.
asciilifeform: 'IEX slows down all of the trades that go through its system with a 38-mile coil of fiber-optic cable that sits between the outside world and the exchange’s main computer. It takes trading signals 350 millionths of a second to get through the coil.'
asciilifeform: i'd be quite surprised if any of the participants (other than, perhaps, koch) even suspected there were any such thing as us.
mircea_popescu: which makes it what, the ... 4th ? i forget.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-19 20:46 asciilifeform: https://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-devel/2016-August/031475.html << they have a CONFERENCE!11111
a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 16:20 mircea_popescu: "I doubt this will ever happen. Even he never cracked any PGP keys at all, the FUD he spread around was a nice way to get some free advertising. Look, people saying his name on gnupg and enigmail lists, which are quite popular I believe."
mircea_popescu: the gnupg official mail list announcement coming in second goes pretty good with a side helping of http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-17#1523119
mircea_popescu: might explain all the effort the derps are putting into talking around the matter, i guess.
mircea_popescu: soo... https://www.google.com/search?q=werner+koch&tbs=qdr:w << is google serving me special pages or does anyone else see trilema leadign there ?
mircea_popescu: i forget the exact score, but the part where it is three digits to ZERO is kinda seared in my memory.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, no, looky : For GnuPG 2.1 things are different because there is a long running process (gpg-agent) which creates all keys.
mircea_popescu: i fondly recall the brief push by sm derps of the "mp is right occasionally" angle. i suppose someone stopped and counted meanwhile.
asciilifeform: (2.x is a monstrosity for other reasons)
asciilifeform: the rng thing was in all published vers.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-19#1525751 << epic. werner ADMITS "mp was right all along - gpg 1.4.x is the right way to go, 2.x is weak"
mircea_popescu: so in the case of the lebanon thing : yes, they own the upstream, and YES some derps expect to be paid for their "contribution" succeeding "for the first time" blabla.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform same people who check the gpg rng unwhitened.
asciilifeform: this subj occurred to me before - who, if anyone, checks the FUCKEDMONKEY or whatever outputs against humint ?
mircea_popescu: their very tpical hockey sticks machines work just as well over climate data as they work over washing machine readings.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform softness of the target is not even half the story - what helps more is that half the time the derps don't even know if they got noise or signal.
asciilifeform: (also helps that the typical target is softer than fresh dog shit)
asciilifeform: it gets carried along by the - occasional - working trick.
mircea_popescu: whole shebang has a lot more to do with absurdist theatre than with technological process.
mircea_popescu: ok. so basically, they vaguely are aware that project P is made out of parts P1... Pn, although if you take them to task they can't really explain it ; and for that matter they're not really aware that "we made n parts for P" really means "we made part 1 six times and part 3 nine times because they were easy to make, we don't have any 2, 3, 7, 8 or 9 which means P ain't ever EVER working"
asciilifeform: so i know what they look like.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i did a tour of duty in the most godforsaken imaginable salt mine full of ex-nsa folk.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-19#1525750 << your mental model of a functional monolithical sensible "meta-nsa" is contradicted by the practice. a lot of redundancy is baked in by legions of mindless, not terribly intelligent, here today and gone tomorrow "analysts", "experts", "contractors" and whatnot, with management broadly unaware of what the situation is.
mircea_popescu: and in other lipreading news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_maest5eAcq1r2a4juo1_500.gif
asciilifeform maxed out dosimeter for the day.
asciilifeform: and who won't love 'As far as the conference program goes, the Mesh may be considered as a proposal to replace/augment the existing OpenPGP key server infrastructure with a new one that provides support for multiple PKI based applications and trust models. ... The Mesh makes it easy for a user to transfer an email configuration from one machine to another and offers to automatically configure OpenPGP ... service whose architecture ma
asciilifeform: and i won't even bother summarizing, e.g., 'OpenPGP for Android, Web and Windows'
asciilifeform: ^ who wants to try feeding this abortion , e.g., the khadeer key ?
asciilifeform: full control to make bad decisions. We hide Key IDs from the user, we don't use the words public and private, we never mention Key Signing or Keyservers, and we don't generate 8192 RSA keys. In this talk we give an overview over our different UX decisions, the reasoning behind them...'
asciilifeform: 'In the last 4 years developing OpenKeychain, an OpenPGP implementation for Android, we made several unconventional UX decisions. While other implementations are still based on UX paradigms introduced in 1997 by PGP 5, we try to re-invent UX for a broader user base. Some of our decisions are subject to controversy in the OpenPGP community, in particular those of hiding information and complexity from the user, rather than giving them
asciilifeform: ool and the various geographical pools.'
asciilifeform: though their 'is' is quite lulzy, e.g., the sks server talk is about 'This talk will discuss some experiences operating the services and discuss new features related to new specifications such as Elliptic Curves (including but not limited to Ed25519 and Curve25519) and the experimental Tor support available at hkp://jirk5u4osbsr34t5.onion in addition to providing an overview of the other available pools such as the TLS enabled HKPS p
asciilifeform: these folk specialize in isn'ts.
phf: i thought you said "what is on the agenda", i spent a few minutes trying to interpret those subjects in a nefarios way
asciilifeform: and guess what isn't on the agenda.
asciilifeform: https://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-devel/2016-August/031475.html << they have a CONFERENCE!11111
asciilifeform: 'It's not at all what I described in my PRNG paper, but I can't tell if that's an accident or by design because, well, there are no code comments. What the GnuPG code does is mix the next 64 bytes and then overwrite the preceding 20 bytes with the mixed output, however this doesn't propagate any entropy along through the buffer.'
asciilifeform: 'I _might_ have introduced the hole to mix in more bytes in each step. Or it was a plain bug.' -- koch.
asciilifeform: all he needs is a lattice solution, as described in the sarkar thing.
asciilifeform: 'To predict bytes 580..599 an attacker needs to know the bytes in the range 0..44 and 560..579.' << horseshit.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: 'TAO project REXKWONDO successfully enabled Country-Wide Shaping and Man-in-the-Middle (MiTM) capabilities against Lebanon's Internet traffic for the first time ever.'
asciilifeform: s following the successful shaping tasking.'
asciilifeform: 'The OGERO ISP gateway router (RB) was exploited via HAMREX to enable SECONDDATE MiTM. The OGERO upstream Liban Telecom routers were exploited with CGDB, then implanted with HAMMERCORE and HAMMERSTEIN to enable successful Shaping of Hizballah Unit 1800 related traffic for multiple CT projects. Traffic was exfiltrated to STORMBREW from core routers and was accessible to S21, S2E, and SSG\NAC analysts via XKEYSCORE in less than 24 hour
asciilifeform: 'Collaboration between multiple divisions within TAO and S215 led to the development of a custom-built router exploit and new HAMMERCORE implant builds.'
mircea_popescu: incidentally, speaking of "medieval" organs, everyone knows the hysterical "notre dame des courants d'air" scene i trust ?
asciilifeform: normal organ, iirc, could not stand up to the humidity.
asciilifeform: phf: by the brits.
asciilifeform: so yes, i would happily offload the 45 shells to 50 people.
phf: i always sort of assumed that harmoniums were brought to india by traveling european bums, as an approximation of motherland culture, and stuck
asciilifeform: PeterL: typical medieval arrangement was rather like modern 'stair climber' exercise machine. in separate room.
mircea_popescu: "nevertheless, my aunt berthie lost her virginity on one"
mircea_popescu: i suppose there is merit to this point, which is to say, "nutty central command economy mp wouldn't have ever come up with harmoniums, because they are stupid."
asciilifeform: because 'i'ma play the organ and fuck y'all', approximately.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: was my point. concert organists dun have 'i gotta pump with this other hand' problems.
hanbot: incidentally, why are there no pianists on those long, scrolling walkways in airport terminal connectors? could put the music up along the handrail.
asciilifeform: who has nobody to offload the pumping to.
asciilifeform: like upright piano, but instead of organ pedals, there is one 'singer sewing machine'-style pumper.
asciilifeform: the small one is kinda like accordion, but stationary, sits on the floor, one hand plays, other - pumps
asciilifeform: there we go
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would oyu DO that
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's eyeglasses would not work on mircea_popescu either, i suspect.
mircea_popescu: yes. moreover, "thinking about my things as things rather than as extensions of my identity is VERY BAD SCARY AND EVIL"
mircea_popescu: the other possibility, however, is that it comes from the same place a love of tchotchkes comes.
mircea_popescu: or the page turning yea
asciilifeform: hanbot: i used to turn'em on/off, had entire switchboard for this, then noticed that IT is a timesink...
hanbot: i use multiple panels but keep those i'm not actively looking at turned off. otherwise i can actually perceive time being wasted mulling between them.
mircea_popescu: and the contention is that not only not all cuts are worth making in software : this one definitely isn't.
mircea_popescu: more over : it was over the merits of implementing a specific cut in hardware vs software.
mircea_popescu: again, the discussion was re a specific bit of software.
mircea_popescu: but if i add panels, i tend to also add boxes for them.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-19 18:40 mircea_popescu: phf what the fuck is wrong with just flipping pages / adding more panels if flipping is THAT big a deal
mircea_popescu: PeterL the discussion was "tiling wm" specifically. and i said, exactly, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-19#1525580
a111: Logged on 2016-08-19 12:40 mircea_popescu: so on other news, i am writing teh republic's "cia factbook", and on the matter of gdp i would like to have an estimate of the "fair market value of the total time donated to republic during 2015" in the estimation of everyone involved. detailed is better, but nothing over a page omg.
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-19#1525034 << FOr me just crib their formula. 37.5 x 52 to get 2015's hours. I have now idea how to count them all but certainly over.
asciilifeform: so that if something moves, my hindbrain can do the coprocessing
mircea_popescu: twenty years ago people were petrified of naught more than having to call me on the phone.
mircea_popescu: i have some notifications, but the penalty for fucking with it idly is indeed high.
mircea_popescu: unless im doing something on other display, in which case it scrolls on this screen
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu has humans in the loop , this tech is not applicable outside of dirigible .
mircea_popescu: often it actually is analyst-produced, because yes, phf intuitscorrectly, the ~only thing a "process" in the sense of, bash window is, is a very cheap version of mazarin's informants. who wrote him letters. which he read... on a non-tiling display.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that sounds like uniquely poor design and you should butcher the whoeverts did that to you.
asciilifeform: i simply do the work of switching, when i switch, using EYES
mircea_popescu: moreover, the point is that human brain is human brain and you're not changing it. it has ONE attention flow. you use it as best you can.
asciilifeform: phf: likewise, i do not actually deal with the separate streams simultaneously !
phf: there's multiple training systems that are supposed to teach an operator how to deal with multiple inputs in high stress situations (like cockpit, or nuclear powerplant), and the techniques are all reduced to "how to perceive multiple streams as a single stream"
asciilifeform: it remains the case that merging rudder and throttle is braindamaged, regardless of how you do it.
phf: PeterL: that's actually a well known counter examples that supports the opposite of what you're trying to say
phf: the point might be that a single information stream is always superior to multiple streams. the second comes from necessity (there's no time or desire to find a way to merge them, there's no analyst to merge them for you, etc.). it's always a better state when you can only have one, in which case tiling is a pointless concept. you only ever have one stream.
mircea_popescu: you know, contrary to the tv version of blinkenlichten, in cockpit design, and ESPECIALLY for combat or any sort of emergency situation, more items are regarded as a serious liability.
asciilifeform: and let's have one touch screen instead of the bunch of levers!111111
mircea_popescu: i tell you though, whenever i came into the office of some dude who was literally fucking around with 45 different pieces of paper at the same time, i wouldn't think "oh this guy is such a super hero" but rather "ok, this guy's getting fired first."
asciilifeform: and that you can navigate all of them with only eyeballs.
asciilifeform: tiled means that not one obscures not one square mm of any other.
asciilifeform: nor in windows which obscure other windows.