mircea_popescu: yeah but did anyone tell the sample!
asciilifeform: the 'shit transplant' thing never made sense to me, we all eat 10,001 kinds of bacteria every day, and yet some folks have one config, other - other, etc.
gabriel_laddel: Idk, never tried. Since you are the master in the relationship, I'd assume the sampling would only go one direction.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel i had a chick suck out a banana like once, "de palmares". not really into the stuff tbh.
asciilifeform: ning sky. With my hands under my hips – and butt perched against a large rock for support – I peddled an imaginary upside down bicycle in the air to pass the time as I struggled to make sure my new gut ecosystem stayed put inside me.'
asciilifeform: 'AS THE SUN set over Lake Eyasi in Tanzania, nearly thirty minutes had passed since I had inserted a turkey baster into my bum and injected the feces of a Hadza man – a member of one of the last remaining hunter-gatherers tribes in the world – into the nether regions of my distal colon. I struggled to keep my legs in the air with my toes pointing towards what I thought was the faint outline of the Southern Cross rising in the eve
gabriel_laddel: does mircea_popescu have slavegirls swallow stool samples to bring their own tastes inline with his own?
mircea_popescu: dude, the naughts... what a dumb time i swear.
mircea_popescu: o damn the pua thing.
asciilifeform: ^ who said american subcultures had to be a snore! there still remain 'timecubes' from '90s !1111
mircea_popescu: i suppose the sentiment is mutual : trilema is too hard, hurts the head and the undercurrent of disdain is hard to miss, even for esl tards.
mircea_popescu: from obama's speeches to latest lindsay lohan lirics, i'd rather watch africans build huts.
phf: the same, but i thought nick denton has that mainstream legitimacy. tucker max and m.y. seem like they exist in the same blogspace, i.e. people who used to post videos about 9/11 truth with that matrix soundtrack
mircea_popescu: not the conservative-gay-nick-denton ?
phf: i thought milo yiannopoulos is the new tucker max
mircea_popescu: e. The sad part is, hes not even selling out. Hes trading principles, honesty and consistency for nothing. He will not reap money, power, or fame from his transformation into an emasculated poof. Tucker Max is ignoring his opportunity to be a part of history, and his only reward will be a well-deserved slide into obscurity." (cca 2012.)
mircea_popescu: o nevermind, i got it all wrong! "Tucker Max had the opportunity to be a spokesman for a generation. He had the opportunity to lend his voice to the revolt against the effeminization of North American Men, and maybe even lead a 21st-century revival of classical masculinity. Instead, he is pissing that opportunity away, in the hopes that hell earn a morsel of approval from the gatekeepers of mainstream culture and literatur
mircea_popescu: SELL THEM!!!
asciilifeform: (smokes, i recently learned, have been forbidden in the prison here)
mircea_popescu: eh nevermind playing civ with other people's smokes.
asciilifeform: well hey, if he's got a +ev amplifier, why not skip lunch a day or two and buy old comp with ~that~, then sell... rinse, repeat
mircea_popescu: lol he wants to put his software on it and sell it, check out the jew gates!
mircea_popescu: but the good news is that after the first however many years of triple to five-nine failure rate, it drops to one or two, meaning that often you're forcfed to repeat the same point less than a hundred times!
gabriel_laddel: Meh, I wouldn't be entertaining this notion if it were not for the fact that I can ~ sell ~ the x61.
mircea_popescu: with the best of intentions, learning is ~impossible a task.
gabriel_laddel: Lel. I'm not swearing to anything. But if you want to take a what, sub 100 usd risk of sending it to $rando, I've the info.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: email? I have a name and address I can use right now if you're willing to forego the key. Else, waiting.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: there's a crate here with gabriel_laddel's name on it...
mircea_popescu: felipelalli it's not a matter of me hiding them ; really look into getting a znc instrance, it's 10 bux a yeart or somesuch
mircea_popescu: phf fellow looks quite intelligent there.
felipelalli: mircea_popescu: you don't know how to hide these annoying messages in your client? I am not doing this purposely. Or it is the network, or I turned my notebook off and on again.
gabriel_laddel: "SIR the enemy approachs! How many men is it going take to defend paris?" "nfi, it's never been tried"
gabriel_laddel: He's french, which is probably the core of this.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-23 02:37 gabriel_laddel: We'd previously discussed all the time wasted on 'backends', he agreed that we should get rid of them etc etc, and then a little bit of money shows up and BAM, he's happy to entertain any number of idiots trying to 'modernize' McCLIM
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-23#1527264 << geeks have no backbone, news at 11. there's some that are stubborn and a few more that are ambitious ; but neither of these qualifies.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell felipelalli plox to stop with the log in log out or you'll get banned.
gabriel_laddel: on the other hand, beach did implement some of McCLIM on CLX, wrote the lisp-mode for climacs and has maintained the project for years
mircea_popescu: it's like being the ohio state valedictorian.
mircea_popescu: but the slowtrain patients still imagine "reddit consensus" etc today.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-23 00:09 asciilifeform looked up 'tucker max', wants the 5 minutes back!1111
gabriel_laddel: Also, he's funding jackdaniel, who is generating all the noise
gabriel_laddel: We'd previously discussed all the time wasted on 'backends', he agreed that we should get rid of them etc etc, and then a little bit of money shows up and BAM, he's happy to entertain any number of idiots trying to 'modernize' McCLIM
gabriel_laddel: ed the CLIM project
a111: Logged on 2016-08-22 17:35 a111: Logged on 2016-08-22 16:40 phf: asciilifeform: that attention from fundraiser and marketing that gabriel_laddel was so excited about ~obviously~ attracted not talent, but the usual modernizer suspects. i'm reading their channel logs and marvel.
phf: phoronix by the way consistently produces pro-freedesktop pro-redhat articles
asciilifeform: somebody buy the fella a new modem ??
phf: "<jackdaniel> [04:47:11] keep in mind my CLIM fu is very weak though :)" yet the guy is collecting money for paid CLIM internals development
phf: i think that has something to do with monotonous, high carb diet that those guys receive otherwise, to keep them pacified
ben_vulpes installed cocoapods and friends, wants the day back
asciilifeform looked up 'tucker max', wants the 5 minutes back!1111
shinohai: You know, there is a sense of accomplishment that comes from actually getting a story about ramen published in Qntra.
mircea_popescu: "clears the mind".
mircea_popescu: the idea is nb.
ben_vulpes: or video or whatever the variety speak is
BingoBoingo: shinohai: He's out and there is little compelling reason to trust his take on trends anyways.
mircea_popescu: and in other "better homes and bimbo guestrooms" news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3tuy50uOe1rrhvpno1_500.gif
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, anyone recall the original "oh i created social consensus by talking to my own sock puppets on some forum and the imbecile law firm partners BELIEVED IT" scam ?
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: I'm pretty sure the definition of Fratire is older than the Tucker Max one by decades. Maybe even a whole century.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-10 15:16 asciilifeform: incidentally, a Useful Product Idea, plug-in replacement guidance module for popular flying toys, to pick arbitrary quiet frequency spread in a reasonably broad swatch of spectrum, when remote is paired with toy, rather than the current 'legal' jammable idiocy.
asciilifeform: in other 'olds', material pertinent to http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-10#1517688 thread, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X27-2WDIZR0 (gold in the comments, 'Seems like a nice tool to capture exotic and endangered birds for my Black Market sales.')
pete_dushenski: aha. the tsmr dictionary groweth.
pete_dushenski: ""Fratire" is a type of 21st-century fiction literature written for and marketed to young men in a politically incorrect and overtly masculine fashion. The term was coined following the popularity of works by George Ouzounian (writing under the pen name Maddox) and Tucker Max." << o.O
a111: Logged on 2016-08-22 20:46 ben_vulpes: my popesculator says "no no, the blond comes *in* the cadillac"
BingoBoingo: Anyways this dispute danielpbarron raised largely relates to how different people navigate the WoT. At this point in time I'm not providing weight to low information connections.
asciilifeform: # builds need and is less than half the size of current versions.
asciilifeform: the build scripts are tiny, resemble mod6's.
asciilifeform: 'Aboriginal Linux is a shell script that builds the smallest/simplest linux system capable of rebuilding itself from source code. This currently requires seven packages ...'
asciilifeform: re 'let's abolish buildroot', turns out, surprise! -- there were attempts at sanity : http://landley.net/aboriginal/about.html
asciilifeform isn't working from a scripture and labours under the handicap of occasionally being convinced by other folks of sumthing
phf: pretty much everyone here was subjected to dpb's harsh judgement at one point or another, as is right and proper, he keeps us in check
BingoBoingo: Everyone has to make their own value determinations.
shinohai: Your outlook on s.qntra is rather grim though danielpbarron
BingoBoingo: Well, maybe they are least laggy today?
phf: dating is the same kind of sorting as choosing between coke and pepsi at a grocery store
pete_dushenski: others are free to continue. for them, i'm sure trilema will be of use with regards to cutting the gordian knot.
phf: shit, i had a store bought compaq 486, which had ~solid frame~. not bolix, but somewhere there
phf: those machines are joy to handle though, for same reason old keyboards are pleasant. they are not "made in china", but with steel chasis out of descrete units, etc.
asciilifeform: so now i have the dough to get whatever machines, and it no longer appeals.
asciilifeform: when i was a sad student and pinched pennies to buy lispm parts, then much later the machine, i did not yet realize that turning the physical object into an emulator would take 20 yrs that i dun have.
phf: those people ~spend~. i mean they make the most money to put them in what used to be middle class bracket, but they don't spend it on houses and cars. instead on vaxen
phf: but no it's just a special kind of mindset, i don't know how to else call it but people who are into "retrohardware". there's a pecking order there between "i have an amiga and a macintosh" and "i have a vax, a pdp, a ..."
asciilifeform: not only a thing, but helped to nail lispm with 'good enuff' on the high end market.
asciilifeform: (only situation where the two are roughly similar!)
asciilifeform: this'd be the folks who use'em as coffee tables, neh ?
phf: right, so vax goes for a fraction of the cost. still same guy who put me in touch with dks, and spends 5k on each bolix, will spend fraction of that on a vax, because "it ain't bolix of course, but it's still cool"
asciilifeform: i cannot immediately name any other vintage comp that is 'cult object' comparable to the late lispm's.
asciilifeform: nor is the arch fully documented (again 'how many... say this for')
asciilifeform: (there is, for instance, no wholly satisfactory emulator.)
asciilifeform: phf: the bolix was a special, really, case
phf: asciilifeform: there's a massive hobbyist market. well to do corporate programmers spending monthly paychecks on retrohardware. when i was buying my xl1201, i was bidding against a guy, who's been doing a tech lead thing since the 90s (an unbearably aspy fellow). he said that he was so pissed he didn't get it, he put a 12k starting bid on the next one and still got it for around 6k
phf: and you have a pocketful of those 60s amphetamines, so you can hit every diner from chicago to springfield in 3 days, and then come back knowing exactly which one has the best milkshake
asciilifeform: 'Of course the first thing you have to understand is who is your customer. And to answer that you need to know just who is buying VAXen these days. The list it turns out is really short....'
pete_dushenski: in other bad investment, http://www.freddiemac.com/multifamily/product/pdf/green_advantage_term_sheet.pdf
pete_dushenski: for black on black vehicles these are sine qua non
pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2016/04/29/petes-guide-to-investing-in-cars/ << for why that's waaaay too many units produced to be valuable on the secondary market
pete_dushenski: so there was. usual 'paint+badge edition' for american vehicles. see also 'daytona 500 edition' camaros, 'mary kay' pink cadillacs, 'hertz' mustangs
shinohai: phf There was Eddie Bauer edition Ford Explorer iirc, speaking of SUV's
pete_dushenski: you apparently haven't seen the cayenne turbo s / grand cherokee srt8 / x6m class of sporty suvs.
pete_dushenski: https://www.theguardian.com/money/2016/aug/22/bitcoin-investments-cryptocurrency-traded-digital-money << "Is bitcoin the answer if traditional investments are letting you down?"
pete_dushenski: they're travelling more horizontally than vertically though
asciilifeform: well the bmore folks - do
asciilifeform: for pennies on the original dollar/ruble/deutschmark
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: eddie bauer is very 'outdoorsy'. they specialise in the climbing / hiking demo. mathmaticians may or may not overlap with this set.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i think the krebs thing may be my 1st time hearing of the vendor outside of a spamogram.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: 'Linux Kernel panics when using an OHCI controller if a USB device reports being a generic HID keyboard and reports a wMaxPacketSize of over 4095. The OHCI controller driver fails to reserve bandwidth for the device, causing the keyboard handler to fail when attaching to the HID. Later, when the device is removed, the system crashes due to a null pointer dereference in a linked list of endpoint descriptors.'
pete_dushenski: "The channel is mostly filled with videos like the one described above: clips of Reams and friends riding in elevators. They ride elevators in hotels. They ride elevators in hospitals. They ride elevators in office blocks and public buildings. They film their rides in elevators. They film each other filming their rides in elevators."
pete_dushenski: “I myself am autistic,” says Reams. “Not everybody that does these elevator [videos] is autistic but I would say at least 80 to 90 percent of them are.”
a111: Logged on 2016-08-22 18:19 mircea_popescu: seems ~more or less, "cloudflare turned off the chunk of bitcoin '''infrastructure''' ran by imbeciles imbecilisyh eno0ugh to rely on cloudflare"
ben_vulpes: cloudfront is somehow involved in the relay network?
mircea_popescu: seems ~more or less, "cloudflare turned off the chunk of bitcoin '''infrastructure''' ran by imbeciles imbecilisyh eno0ugh to rely on cloudflare"
mircea_popescu: also, it's not just blockchain. the relay network lost about half of its edges since an hour ago
BingoBoingo: Imma have some cumpany soon, so someone get to the bottom of this other thing and submit.
mircea_popescu: looks like a rather shaping attack of some kind.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ah, i misread, the half that CAN.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fwiw, resolves here in the heart of mordor.
mircea_popescu: the half that can is all natoreich, and sees 104.16.54/3
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: where is the part re 'spirited out'
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: not redditola, there was a bikeportland.org link
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, is blockchain.info being mitm'd atm ?
ben_vulpes: decent "us has no sovereignty, can't effect their own honor killings" angle
ben_vulpes: oh just in that some saudi is going to get spirited out of the country before getting lynched
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: ANyways where again were the lulz in "Heroic Jap Stationwagon Swats Traffic Disrupting Pedelarast" I still haven't found it.
ben_vulpes: IN THE OS INSTALL PROCESS
ben_vulpes: so i'm flattening and rebuilding this barely-used macbook pro, and frames of animated language names scrolling sideways on the "what language" screen are tearing
BingoBoingo: What you submitted at this time however was not that. You presented the signed block as basically "take this as what it is" and "here are other people doubting it" leaving unrepublican b00bs to wonder wtf?
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: There's prolly a way to rewrite what you submitted to news it up, but as you presented it it wasn't news. Maybe a "look how unlucky this guy is" angle would help? All those misfortunes may very well involve malice on the part of persons other than him. Such an angle could be very newsy.
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Qntra pointedly tells republic news to the outside, BUT znort does not at this time have a relation to anyone I know such that his signature carries more weight than rando unsigned pastebins
asciilifeform: the makefile - 516.
asciilifeform: the vpatch consists heavily of minusola and FUCK GNUDIFF ALREADY.
asciilifeform: re mpi referred to in the automake thread, updates:
mircea_popescu: and in other unrelated news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8mny1gHtH1rq6vz1o1_500.gif
a111: Logged on 2016-08-22 16:40 phf: asciilifeform: that attention from fundraiser and marketing that gabriel_laddel was so excited about ~obviously~ attracted not talent, but the usual modernizer suspects. i'm reading their channel logs and marvel.
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Based on the way the guy interesctionalittitties with my WoT maybe your blog is the best place to make the point you want to make about it?
BingoBoingo: <danielpbarron> BingoBoingo, what gossip? << The signed recollection by minimally collected guy.
asciilifeform: phf: the 'grabs a broom and a bucket and cleans it' incidentally is more or less the story of my 1st year of trb.
phf: class living" etc. anyway, guy arrives goes to toilet, comes out, grabs a broom and a bucket and cleans it. the moral is tediously obvious (it's a fucking liverjournal story), but it stuck with me. living in orcland is kind of like that
phf: i like that story i read on livejournal long time ago. this soviet guy was telling, so he's sent to forced farming на посевы, bunch of guys digging for potatoes, middle of fucking nowhere. and then there's news, some deposed aristocrat is sent to join, so naturally jokes all around, since the toilet is a mess (it's a bunch of guys!) "how's his excellency going to use the facilities справлять нужду" "probably unaccustomed to working
asciilifeform: there is such a thing as minimal hygienic standard.
phf: asciilifeform: nobody's asking you, this is for people who want a fixer-upper. you don't want to use cmucl either, because it's half baked. it does feel just a tad "i just want to", but i can't necessarily fault you for it
asciilifeform: phf: if we discover that the only way to have a usably snappy clim is custom iron, i am willing to consider custom iron.
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Thing is more gossip than news. What happened? There may be a way to rewrite it into news, but it is still early this morning.
phf: asciilifeform: it needs work, but it's literally one of the few gui frameworks untouched by lizard hitler, unless you want to write raw xlib or tty outputs
asciilifeform: motherfucker is slow even on 16 cpu.
phf: everyone agrees "we need windows backend" obviously, stodgy and dated decisions are being gradually replaced with "modern" equivalents. someone literally used the phrase "people come to expect from modern ui"
asciilifeform: gift for the flies.
asciilifeform: phf: 'fresh meat in the sun'
phf: in the immortal words of ivan chesnokov, YOU HAVE DISEASE OF AMERICAN CAPITALIST, CHANGE THING THAT IS FINE FOR NO REASON EXCEPT TO LOOK DIFFERENT FROM COMRADE.
phf: asciilifeform: that attention from fundraiser and marketing that gabriel_laddel was so excited about ~obviously~ attracted not talent, but the usual modernizer suspects. i'm reading their channel logs and marvel.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-12#1519442 << don't you now wish that wasn't the case, lol, the guy is like an ultra-wrecker, shitting all over that codebase
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asciilifeform: i can see using swap on a 486 with 8M, where it makes the diff between being able to load emacs and not.
mircea_popescu: that they stopped saying it doesn't mean anything changed ; they just thought everyone got the idea.
mircea_popescu: i thought it said so in the linux manual cca 1996, "linux can not be run without swap. don't even try."
phf: 160822 9:30:08 InnoDB: Fatal error: cannot allocate memory for the buffer pool
phf: it exhausts the 512mb and quietly dies
asciilifeform: fwiw i have yet to see postgres crash. but there is always a time for a first.
asciilifeform: (the pill against 'omfg, this has never before crashed', sad as it is, is generally to rewind version again and again...)
mircea_popescu: my angry forays into apache/mysql are in the logs. that shit sucks.
mircea_popescu: not that there aren't a precious few competent folk out there. but they suffer a heavy demographic burden in the form of idiot us sucking them in to "build companies" and go to conferences and waste their lives for belonging&jam-tomorrow ; and the rest are fucking busy raping nsa and such.
phf: speaking of wordpress, mysql keeps consistently crashing. i don't think i've had a unix daemon crash on me in the recent memory, this is a first
mircea_popescu: it's not even deliberate, just byproduct of how the process works. they'd cut it out if they knew how.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: cannot be ruled out. though the level of decorative dressing is quite ludicrous, in that case.
mircea_popescu: nah, the reason for that is because they find you from google, or equiv, which is an approximation of "what a human would think interesting"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no , no, the ones that appear manually cranked are just the same 3-4 bots "sold" on "underground forums", but with exceptionally inept operators. such as ahmed.
asciilifeform: (e.g., lengthy browsing of what i consider 'interesting' pages on the site previously)
mircea_popescu: a small fraction will do the more nefarious bit of hosting pharma / child porn / whatever pages to link from OTHER wordpress / email blasts.
asciilifeform: thinking here of the folks who show symptoms of 'manually cranked' probemeister, vs the usual bots.
mircea_popescu: you'll laugh, but the point is not so much untinkable as not valuable. ~all of them, if actually given access, will happily post links "for google to see" and that's all.
asciilifeform: (somehow a box without wordpress is unthinkable to these folk.)
asciilifeform: incl. probes against the (never existing) wordpress on that box.
asciilifeform: phf: at one point i got 1,001 of these daily
mircea_popescu: the net is mostly newcomers. somehow.
asciilifeform: (phuctor suffers from similar problem, python does not really have working threading either)
phf: asciilifeform: yeah, it's the worker exhaustion, but since it's my favorite threadless cmucl, situations under which "no available worker" are numerous and fantastical
mircea_popescu: phf they prolly put you behind cloudflare/homebrewed equivalent as a service or somesuch.
asciilifeform: (what does phf's wwwtronics stack do when there is no available worker? or how does it work)
mircea_popescu: incidentally, the only thing i can think re "digitalocean" is that place in the pacific where there's a trillion little bits of plastic, ground down by wind and sun over the decades.
phf: diana_coman: i think i didn't say enough on the subject. the core of what i did in order to get it to build on mac os x is fix autoconf scripts, if i revisit mac os x build in a couple of weeks, i'll try and provide a portable patch
mircea_popescu: this is the log. there are many like it, but this one is good. it is your best friend. it is your life. you must read it like you read your wife.
asciilifeform: and it took a german to arrive at something like an actual solution (sync gear for the gun bolt)
mircea_popescu: i don't necessarily dispute that he THOUGHT about it for many years. but there's a profound difference between these two things. psychological first of all.
asciilifeform: and the solution was somehow seen as 'make armoured propeller'
asciilifeform: bitcoin as it is reminds me, more than anything, of the french aerial machine gun during ww1
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu has a point, if shitoshi had ~modelled~ anything, he may well have junked the whole thing and - not necessarily published anything at all.
asciilifeform: encouraging movement of coin 'for the sake of movement' leads to ~moar~ bloat, via 'utxo' frag effect, rather than less...
mircea_popescu: (which, incidentally, is an antipattern of software irl that's very fucking often visible. tech wants to do a "Stupid" thing for a stupid reason ; management lets them for an entirely different reason)
mircea_popescu: best i can discern two things : 1) derp wanted to discourage old coinbases accumulating (had intuition about the blockchain bloat didn't want to address or know how to) ; 2) fees would have been HUGE early on without this, as in, "fuck you, you wanna transact it's 50 cents. i dun care your 1k btc is enough for a pizza slice ie 2 bux"
asciilifeform: it is really part of the major gap in the design, where ~nodes~ pay eternally for disk footprint, but ~miner~ gets the fee
mircea_popescu: accept that or don't, i dun particularly care nor does in fact have any effects. but history is history, rather than fantasy.
mircea_popescu: and for the record, the reason we don't have an obnoxiously impudent mining cartel today is almost entirely due to that root, and its fruit.
mircea_popescu: yes, the proposition that "sane answer" === "i made a mistake" necessarily implies that as a precursor.
mircea_popescu: i'd guess a and esp b should be obvious. if they aren't obvious, the problem is almost certainly not what's stated.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a) yes i do "manual payments" ; this however does not mean i create the txn by hand. i'd think this'd be obvious ; b) any and all, this and all sorts of other resources are used to establish things about the network. i am, for the record, THE FIRST, and also for years THE ONLY both systematically sending txnfees "not needed" and pushing for others to do so. it is utterly not because i'm trying to shave pennies t
mircea_popescu: how the fuck is "sane answer" to be established via regexp with given string is what i want to know.
asciilifeform: jurov: do you recall the lightoller paper ?
jurov: dunno if my mother has anything with that
jurov: sorry, the doubt is crippling
asciilifeform: i'd rather like to know what it is that is actually bothering jurov. (could hazard a guess, but would rather not)
mircea_popescu: do that and let them starve, it'll count as a job well done.
mircea_popescu: jurov is smart kid, gotta have some ankle weights of stupid and loud noises in inner ear lest he doesn't fit in with the idiots he originally originated with anymore.
mircea_popescu: the whole nonsense unpleasantly reminds me of that sf story about a socialist future where people got "handicaps" to match their intelligence, lest they're smarter than their stupid parents / the runts in the litter.
asciilifeform: then i stand corrected.
mircea_popescu: no, not really, but "creating the controversy" might "help".
mircea_popescu: a) you see who deedbot trusts. that is called the l1. b) you see who l1 trusts. that is called the l2.
mircea_popescu: i dun care for the content, tbh. form will carry this matter all the way it needs to go.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: znort went off into heathendom
mircea_popescu: no dude, znort hasn't been following along is perfectly able to resolve this problem ; jurov has been around since forever "doesn't know" how to ask. here, follow the noob, mayhap you learn something : http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-21#1526230
mircea_popescu: the irresistible lure of teh derpage ffs.
mircea_popescu: the consensus in my head also is that if you keep with this whiny anal child subversive bullshit i'll bitchslap you so far up your mother's ass friends and family won't be able to reassemble the pieces.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-22 13:52 jurov: interesting, so the consesnus is apparently wot does not mean anything anymore and i should curate gpg keys manually?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-22#1526691 << the "consensus" is that if you're unwilling to follow the proper wot and wish to import random strange from whenever, you're stuck handcurating gpg keys manually.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-22 13:48 asciilifeform: then again, he argued - imho very successfully - against a canonical ~tree~, not against www which shows all known vpatches in tree form
asciilifeform: well the latter. and this would include 'either EVERY supported box has it LIKE-SO, or you bundle it with the proggy. no exceptions.'
mircea_popescu: possibly. or alternately because nobody ever said "do it like this or i will fuck your children with many tiny bottle openers. in the eyes."
asciilifeform: i.e. tries to paper over the 10,001 under- and un- specified 'systemwide-installed' deps.
mircea_popescu: so it attracts a certain sort of stupid, not just in the sense of "a certain sort of stupid people", but actually a certain sort of stupid OUT OF people, even normally intelligent ones.
mircea_popescu: much like the bloviating bovines / paul biggars of the world perceive bitcoin to be "a safe space for their creativity" or somesuch, similarly build process.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-22 11:43 jurov: noone can't ever use vanilla autotools and ftjam as documented. it's absolute necessity to prove own intelligence and DRY-adherence by creatively rigging the build system.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-22#1526670 << yeah, it works but seems pretty dangerous for the future.
asciilifeform: 'Andy Darken of the Prison Officers' Association said the prison service "doesn't really have the resources, means or indeed the know how yet of how to deal with the problem".'
asciilifeform: 'Once you have a key with a given 64-bit keyid in your keychain, GnuPG will not import any other key with the same 64-bit keyid. Even if you specify the new key by fingerprint.'
gribble: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: lol they even have `NSACareers` account
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: if you want to 'include derps' (and the result will be EVERY bit as ugly as every other occasion when someone insisted on attempt to 'include' them) distribute binaries.