mircea_popescu: tor 2.0, the wives' club
mircea_popescu: Price, executive director of the Human Rights Data Analysis Group."
mircea_popescu: Their successors include Matt Blaze, a widely known cryptographer and associate professor at the University of Pennsylvania; Cindy Cohn, Ms. Steeles successor as executive director at the Electronic Frontier Foundation; Bruce Schneier, a security author and expert; Gabriella Coleman, an anthropologist at McGill University who writes about online activism; Linus Nordberg, a longtime internet and privacy activist; and Megan
mircea_popescu: for the record, "The departing directors are Meredith Hoban Dunn, Ian Goldberg, Julius Mittenzwei, Rabbi Rob Thomas, Wendy Seltzer and two of Tors co-founders, Roger Dingledine and Nick Mathewson. Mr. Dingledine and Mr. Mathewson will remain as leaders of Tors technical research and development.
a111: Logged on 2015-11-28 17:01 ascii_field: when folks start to attempt decryption of whatever piece of shit, just for the asking - then yes, acca
asciilifeform: ok finally found the thread where mircea_popescu prods me to remember chosen-ciphertext/timing attack, http://btcbase.org/log/2015-11-28#1332988
mircea_popescu: ie, you trying to work on it resulted in you being mildly annoyed by what you perceived as out of place comms, which upon actual investigation turned out to be different from what originally seemed to be, and in the process of examining difference important feature of shoreline became illuminated and so on.
phf: mircea_popescu: it is part of grokking. simply to understand where chose-ciphertext comes in into the whole system, rather than just reddit the conversation. i think we just had a thread about it. i vaguelly suspect the result for an observer is going to be a smug conviction about words
mircea_popescu: all of them, rapists ?
asciilifeform: ^ tor org removed ENTIRE board except for the veteran nsa stooge
phf: apparently it's even in the spec
mircea_popescu: which takes us to the conclusion of the dispute : yeah he's loud and awkward about it ; but there's genuine problems involved.
phf: well then
asciilifeform: phf: if you're deciphering and putting result (in the 'yes' or 'fail' sense) somewhere enemy can see it - then eys.
phf: btw is it possible to chosen-ciphertext attack gpg if it were to sit on the wire?
asciilifeform: produced wholesale - no. gpg would probably be the closest to this, to date.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-26 14:27 mircea_popescu: for that matter, refer to recent republican record : rando whore divorcing businessman recently got less than 1% of his net worth, and then the judge ridiculed her and cut her loot by 2/3 on apeal.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-26 14:17 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: "The beta-males also wish to be alpha, but for whatever reason they are realistically incapable of it, so they must accept the role of trying to impregnate a female when she is fertile by keeping her away from an alpha-male." interesting perspective.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-26#1529727 << afaik this is definitionally true, at least in the zoological world where the terms originated
asciilifeform: but they ought not to complain when 'my tcp connections are blackholing' or 'someone derived my rsa privkey using known-ciphertext attacks' etc.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-26 14:15 phf: particular transport. never the less when the conversation about current spec comes in you are eager to point out how spec is useless. it's a significant effort to drone you out long enough to actually attempt the implementation, and since in my experience attempting the implementation is a significant step in grokking, i think you repeating the same point over and over again actually lowers overall snr.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-26#1529722 << nothing i wrote ought to discourage folks from pissing on the electric fence.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it was a lulzy situation, montevideo was "besieged" for like a decade, they (mostly foreign merchants) ended up calling out a foreign legion, garibaldi showed up...
mircea_popescu: "he was a romanian writer from vojvodina (a serb land) in the kingdom of hungary, part of the empire" sorta deal, i guess.
mircea_popescu: published 1868. banda oriental was buenos aires congress 1800-1815, kingdom of brazil 1915-1940, rosas till 49 (and check out the guerra grande btw alf, dude totally beat anglo-french coallition through exhaustion, forced them intio humiliatory peace treaty) and then brazil til 1900 or such
phf: well, i know that lautreamont didn't consider maldoror his serious novel (he died young though, so i think it was his only output, plus some poetry) and it was explicitly inspired by .. romantic literature of the time. considering how over the top nihilist it is, i assumed that it was a joke
mircea_popescu: they're incapable of parody.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, wasn't the guy from like argentina ?
mircea_popescu: keep teh faith pure brother! and guard from teh corruptors!
mircea_popescu: Фантастический мир русской романтической повести < there we go! teh russians even agree omg im so impressed.
mircea_popescu: no i shall insist, because it's fucking annoying. buncha losers. so what, walpole thinks it's ok to tongue in cheek "a gothic novel" ? at the time the word had a meaning, and yes it is a certain forlorn grandiosity et all.
phf: i don't think i meant it in lj sense. i was thinking maldoror specifically, he said something like that in the first chapter
mircea_popescu: ie, it is traditional, in the sense of "traditional marriage" traditional.
mircea_popescu: (ironically, this arrangement has more historical exposure than everything that passes for "modern democracy". it's both how the ottoman empire worked ; as well as how the jews did middle east for five centuries.)
mircea_popescu: his mother should arrange him better playdates through whoring out to lucas or whoever's rich and give him money / hire hookers.
mircea_popescu: phf he doesn't even specifically want to become a scourge. he wants to "they should be punished" ; and "to become a dictator". essentially, like any good liberal/socialist, he JUST WANTS THE STATE TO.
mircea_popescu: "i'm not at greater risk because i'm black, i'm at greater risk because your mother's a whore."
phf: i think that's the funny bit about roger whatshisname, he gets alienated from society and decides to become a scourge, but him and his definition of malice are so dull, it's like a parody of a gothic character
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller check out teh institutional racisms.
phf: as a gothic stance, "if society rejects me, i will now serve the utmost evil!"
phf: mircea_popescu: did werther turn to evil?
mircea_popescu: go to alabama, find more 35 yo grandmothers than you can count.
mircea_popescu: teen pregnancies were traditionally a white thing. this never ever changed ; except for the weirdo new york elliots (they prefer to call themselves liberals) who thought it did because they stopped looking briefly.
mircea_popescu: but the LYRICS they put out are unrelated in any case. you know literature generally lies, yes ?
thestringpuller: oh i kno. unfortunately for america, it's "pop culture" like the sitcom now. teen pregnancies ain't just for black folk no mo'
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller black society is a bad model for just about anything.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-26#1529630 << i confess the sufferances of young werther are always in my mind reading him. "why like this and not like that ?"
thestringpuller: Which is 90% of niggas who impregnate a gold digger no matter how much money they eventually make.
mircea_popescu: including because thousands of little queen's own cunts, aged six to sixteen, openly preferred to be manhandled by pakis rather than commune with english mainstream society.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, refer to recent republican record : rando whore divorcing businessman recently got less than 1% of his net worth, and then the judge ridiculed her and cut her loot by 2/3 on apeal.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller a "great point" in the sense of it being repeated a lot online. talk to a divorce lawyer sometime, this "absolute right to divorce" does not work that way in practice.
mircea_popescu: the subjective experience of loss and inadequacy is a huge underground ocean comprising most of the human bejaviour known as art.
mircea_popescu: trinque ironically, for a long time in [the very repressive, and otherwise bizarre] austro-hungarian society, little girls thought they were castrated. literally, that ancient trick of "i stole your nose" that amuses 3yos ; they thought someone took their penis, which is why they don't look like boys.
trinque: exactly the perspective of this elliot guy
trinque: thestringpuller: that shit about "males *have been* emasculated" is nonsense
thestringpuller: "I see the devolution of Western culture upon us because the males have been emasculated with a combination of societal enforcement of child support payments along with the absolute right of the female to divorce taking all the financial support while remaining promiscuous." << actually i have no idea what gender this person is, but makes great points.
shinohai: ok gimmie a bit to sign in, i never bothered to register it :/
mircea_popescu: i can't +V it otherwise
thestringpuller super bored in the coal mine today.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller where's that from ?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: "The beta-males also wish to be alpha, but for whatever reason they are realistically incapable of it, so they must accept the role of trying to impregnate a female when she is fertile by keeping her away from an alpha-male." interesting perspective.
phf: particular transport. never the less when the conversation about current spec comes in you are eager to point out how spec is useless. it's a significant effort to drone you out long enough to actually attempt the implementation, and since in my experience attempting the implementation is a significant step in grokking, i think you repeating the same point over and over again actually lowers overall snr.
phf: asciilifeform: going back to gossip conversation, my issue is that the gossip you talk about exists exclusively in your head, where's mp got a spec. there are aspects of gossip functionality that can be explored with current spec despite the underlying tcp transport. and like i said broken transport doesn't invalidate the application functionality. it will leak in practice through tcp shenanigans, but that's the nature of this
asciilifeform: a great many x11 proggies i use run on remote machines. and i have NO intention of partaking in the 'own one computer' horseshit.
asciilifeform: phf: my published positions re x11 concern the machines ~i presently use~
phf: (i reread the log)
phf: there needs to be a feature in logs where you only render a subset of nicks
phf: different kind of foundations, mcclim clx backend. he was saying lets replace it wholesale with a framebuffer renderer. i was arguing that it's better to cleanup clx first that'll make framebuffer renderer easier. i misunderstood your position then. i thought you were agreeing, but i suppose your position was that there's no point in replacing x with lesser alternative at all
asciilifeform: i dun even recall a debate. there was gabriel_laddel proposing to build hybrid of bulldog and rhino, 'lisp machine with linux', a mengelian atrocity with no future, because a foundation cannot be corrected any more than one can un-drop a baby.
asciilifeform: they matter.
asciilifeform: these are not separable.
phf: so then it's not even about gossip, it's about "lets have a replacement for tcp"
asciilifeform: nor the 'order of packets does ~not matter' aspect.
phf: but that's a very minor detail of the spec!
asciilifeform: phf: the handful of interesting aspects (single-packet friend-or-foe, no tcp) were outlined here.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, as often happens, had correct idea, but was not aware of the sheer rot of the available building blocks.
phf: but, without proper crypto cost of packet authentication is not 0
asciilifeform: and there are no sybils, even as a theoretical item, in a correct gossiptron - every receiver knows exactly who (pubkey-wise) has any business transmitting to it, and rejects packet that is malformed, replayed, or signed with ANY other key, in constant time.
asciilifeform: the cost of validation in a single-packet-authenticating protocol where you crunch the numbers at line speed is effectively 0.
asciilifeform: it can also inject crapolade, into any tcp stream whatsoever. this is not a hypothetical, the actual mechanism that is actually used was recently discovered.
asciilifeform: it is ALSO evil because it sends anything whatsoever in the cleartext (sequence number, for instance, and RESET)
asciilifeform: hence the existence of such a thing as a syn flood.
asciilifeform: tcp is evil, fundamentally because it violates the 'NEVER something-for-nothing-to-all-comers-FUCKOFFRANDOS' principle.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-26 12:50 phf: it can be construed as trust if you don't anything beyond what i said, so i also said that there's no trust. of course that's only my interpretation and asciilifeform can provide his own
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-26#1529651 << ~tcp~ is evil, and i will kill it with my own hands. at least in the sense where i killed, e.g., git.
phf: come to think of it sybil is not the right word in this case, on application level there's no psuedonymity and you only talk to people in wot. on transport level an attacker can construct a valid looking (struct layout wise) pgp packet, which in my naive spec implementation is handed over to gnupg. now you have a bunch of potential attack vectors here, but assuming there's no memory attacks in gnupg, race conditions in gpgme,
phf: i don't think there's a solution to drowned in sibyl's in general. there's a cost to validating counterparty (which is continuous in case of gossipd, there's no "validate the ip, and then trust it" which is what i mean by "no trust in ip"), which can be exploited by attacker.
phf: if i tell you "go to such and such place and then once you're there do another validation" you don't have to trust that "such and such place" is valid purely by being there
Framedragger: ..iirc one of the original ideas was to "pass around ip addresses" as things bound to some nick/identity; there is a trust component here; but i'm sure it's evolved since then, etc etc.
phf: it can be construed as trust if you don't anything beyond what i said, so i also said that there's no trust. of course that's only my interpretation and asciilifeform can provide his own
Framedragger: i won't argue the point, sorry for any frustration caused. the thing i have in mind is probably not the "current spec" anyway!
phf: the argument is that technology needs to be entirely routing agnostic, where's now you think in terms of (afair) mappings between keys and addresses
a111: Logged on 2016-08-26 01:10 phf: adlai: i think gossip spec is fine, just nobody took it to release. asciilifeform has significant changes to the spec, but if you ignore those you can still build a working implementation. in fact, unless you're ascii, i think it's better to ignore further discussion and just stick to what mp wrote. i also think it's one of those ideas you don't want nailed down at protocol level. mine for example slings gpg packets
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-26#1529496 << just curious - does the gossip spec as it is place any trust in ip addresses? this iirc was one of the points criticized by asciilifeform, i would think it to be a valid one. sorry if this, too, was extensively discussed in the logs.
jurov: ^ since there's no gribble in #eulora
gribble: The operation succeeded.
PeterL: what do you consider the age cutoff for millenials? Or is it a frame of mind rather than a specific age range?
BingoBoingo: phf: The pollsters say millenials are actually not fucking very much. Too much world of snapchat.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/the-story-of-elliot-rodger-by-elliot-rodger-adnotated-part-five/ << Trilema - The Story of Elliot Rodger. By Elliot Rodger. Adnotated. Part Five.
mircea_popescu: de gaulle first on the fucking list
mircea_popescu: hey, some airports were designed by the mentally retarded
BingoBoingo: "I left around the beginning of August. This was my first time traveling alone, and I didnt know what to expect. Father signed me up to have supervised travel assistance to help me along the way, otherwise I would get lost in the airport." << LOL Airport Special ED!
BingoBoingo: That's a pretty good looking horror game there
phf: it sort of works, http://glyf.org/tmp/eulora-2.png doesn't load any textures though. i'm going to push the update to the scripts, but i won't be able to look at it proper for another couple of weeks
mircea_popescu: it did exactly nothing either way.
asciilifeform: as in the 4-legged kind ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: guy saw tits for the first time in lyf!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i actually did that. they did ignore.
mircea_popescu: the notion that "he's no worse" is certainly the largest part of the problem. how the utter fuck is he no worse ? he's the absolute worst.
phf: instead he hated them, precisely because he thought that he's no worse. it's all through his narrative "girls dig cruel people" and all that stuff. the idea of, say, learning to become cruel (accepting his modality) somehow didn't really enter his mind
phf: asciilifeform: right, but if he recognized them as his betters, he could learn from them is my point, by talking to them, by "serving" them, etc.
phf: well, guy was pathological, but perhaps the idea is that people with lesser manifestations of similar issues should considering serving
asciilifeform: this would put in the 'condition' neh?
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, for another in his position but not with his condition, the solutions would have been plurious, from the prostration onwards.
mircea_popescu: not so. i don't believe he biologically had a complete set of mechanisms. there was nothign for him.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu's commentary suggested that there was some... 'place' for him, that he could have learned to live in
mircea_popescu: well... so then why do we care.
mircea_popescu: there's a blessing for everything, my dear alf.
asciilifeform: whole flavour of the piece, in my reading, is that this was a dude with no solution.
mircea_popescu: "you have diabethes. the cure is to stop eating sweets." "i'm not stopping eating sweets." "then you will die." "i prefer to die." "fine, but just for the record - stopping with the sweets STILL is the cure for diabethes."
asciilifeform: why not likewise say 'the obvious resolution ... eating a pound of broken glass'
asciilifeform: how is this 'resolution' ? dude was, afaik, straight, not only preferred to eat a pistol rather than do any of this, but in fact ~did~
asciilifeform: from rodger pt. 4: 'You would think it strange that he has such intense feelings yet doesn't apply the obvious resolution available for them : go up to these betters, prostrate himself and beg them to accept him as their slave. He'll do anything, just as long as they use him. Why not ? ... what they should have been fucking saying were variations of the theme of, "take off your clothes, crawl to them on hands and knees and lick their
phf: i can put new urls into the build scripts and see if it still works (unlikely but who knows, if dev team hasn't touched build process might still be operational)
phf: mircea_popescu: oof, there aren't any. i've not updated the build scripts for the new version and it's not a "some pointers" kind of process
shinohai: bit of a voluptuous girl there mircea_popescu !
shinohai: there was an mp4 of that somewhere but i dnt remember
mircea_popescu: meh i'd rather gif.
phf: trinque: hey what's the current frequency that you send pings and timeout, 30 60?
a111: Logged on 2014-10-30 23:55 mircea_popescu: undata: if only there were some way to organize the efforts of a large number of people around projects <<< there is. you're watching it. just because leadership is not in your face doesn't necessarily mean leadership is absent and it's your time to shine. it may also mean leadership is extremely good at what it does.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-26 01:15 mircea_popescu: back in the days trinque was called undata i made the point to him that merely because management is not apparent is a sign that management is extremely competent ; not an invitation to try and scare up some "management stone soup".
mircea_popescu: phf in practice, once tmsr-rsa is here, i'd expect to do exactly the "sling packets" thing
a111: Logged on 2016-08-24 02:10 trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-24#1528134 << http://btcbase.org/log/2015-06-22#1172563 << mentioned here but probably in reference to the logs sought
trinque: relatedly, the mental compressor doth not always yield fruitful search terms.
mircea_popescu: back in the days trinque was called undata i made the point to him that merely because management is not apparent is a sign that management is extremely competent ; not an invitation to try and scare up some "management stone soup".
phf: i got bogged down in config files and other such minutia, but that's because i wrote it in c and i'm not yet at a level where i can produce elegant c solutions. i also used knuth's web, and since there aren't systems that support web/c syntax highlighting and indent the whole process was very much "grinding your own telescope lens by hand"
phf: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4880#page-13 (section 4.) over tcp. i have an incremental packet parser that you can attach to tcp stream and it'll give you packet-by-packet on the other end. that's probably not the right solution for going to war though
phf: adlai: i think gossip spec is fine, just nobody took it to release. asciilifeform has significant changes to the spec, but if you ignore those you can still build a working implementation. in fact, unless you're ascii, i think it's better to ignore further discussion and just stick to what mp wrote. i also think it's one of those ideas you don't want nailed down at protocol level. mine for example slings gpg packets
mod6: Tell your brother I said this thing was cool.
shinohai: no the new build script is gonna be next step in v evolution to me
mod6: Didn't mean to take over the chamber, sorry. lol.
mod6: Work will continue on the makefile(s). Exciting stuff.
mod6: hopefully by the end of the month we'll have fourteen new deedbot deps for buildroot placed, a new V99994 build script, and an offline build script.
mod6: anyway, will be looking forward to feeding deedbot the next 14 buildroot deps here shortly. the vetting process is on going but, so far, so good.
mod6: I'm currently working on the makefile(s) that will replace the build scripts etc. but there's some elbow grease to put in there.
mod6: this morning shinohai successfully tested the offline build script that i create (a slight varient from the original one).
mod6: not only do people use it throught the build script directly, etc.. but trinque published his irc bot code with it. and that kinda blew my hair back. so thanks trinque!
mircea_popescu: motherfucker "corrected himself" in the sense of admitting his original idiocy has no possible subject ; and then gleefully proceeds to act as if he said something.
adlai is not calling users of mod6-V "nobody", but just suggesting that "most" users, write their own
adlai: then maybe the RFC should be for a protocol, rather than an implementation? or at least, a reference implementation that ~nobody uses, like V
adlai: so when do we officially acknowledge that the first attempt at addressing the gossipd RFC was a failure, and solicit a second?
asciilifeform: trinque: current situation is more or less worst possible - one reads arbitrary, sig-less string from a remote box, in the clear.
trinque: and in that case they hold only as much credence as your trust of peered nodes
trinque sees how wot ratings propagating over gossipd make more sense than anything taped together on this gossipd-less side of things
mod6: but! think of the alt! Sitting there playing wow while pumped full of antibiotics and just shitting in place for months at a time seems like it'd save on costs.
asciilifeform: mod6: same reason they went in 1900. to be kept out of labour market.
mod6: An honest question to ponder for our times: "Why the fuck do US kids even go to school anymore ?"
asciilifeform: adlai: must also point out, 'read signed document and then found matching pubkey' still conceivably leaves you behind a 'great firewall' where all pgp sigs visible match chairman mao's key perfectly
adlai: it is possible to trust (up to a certain minimal degree) keys encountered "in the wild"
mod6: There are so many gems.
asciilifeform: (or worse yet, they encrypt a transmission ~to~ a key without any attempt at climbing to it in their actual wot)
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> o hai << hey! also had some lulz reading part III of Rodger on the train.
asciilifeform: adlai: currently there is a very comical situation where chumps download a pubkey, from ?????, and then try to authenticate published material (found on mitmable www sites, naturally) ~TO~ it, rather than the reverse (found signed material, then determined matching pubkey)
mircea_popescu: pretense to the contrary has a cost ; and we're not gonna be paying it.
asciilifeform: adlai: the entire notion of pubkeys posted publicly in a way that implies that strangers can take and use'em for something, is probably going away.
mircea_popescu: the whole thread was about how key owner does NOT control the process in any shape or form. this is the logical equivalent of "the organism pumping blood through the tits does not control the tit pinching that goes on with the tits."
adlai: trinque: i think you're describing an imaginary system that doesn't actually exist in any of the existing wotbots/
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-25#1529385 << the very notion of gaming on a laptop...
trinque: sure there is; hash of last signed rating
asciilifeform: adlai: this is not the only problem with concept of 'revocation'.
adlai: (rationale for spamming: it's not a lot of data, and adding a cost to the process gives the process a cost)
trinque: deeded requires signed, and if the right material is signed, doesn't need to be a deed.
adlai: re: the revocation thread from a couple days ago: why not require/expect keys, ratings, and revocations to be at least deeded, or better yet, spammed into the chain itself?
adlai: ok ok you're right, they twisted my toenails until i screamed my password
mod6: <+shinohai> ;;later tell mod6 success ... this is the coolest thing yet. << nice! thanks for testing that :]
asciilifeform: 'My laptop was getting slower and slower. It wasn’t a very powerful laptop, but it was the only computer I had to play WoW on. This was really frustrating me, because eventually it became so slow that it ruined my gaming experience. I kept pestering my mother and father to get me a faster laptop that was more efficient for gaming.' (from rodger part 4)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
jurov: mats: no surprise, skype was originally p2p and using port 80 has an advantage there
asciilifeform: now somebody oughta generate crapolade keys for the names which signed the 'non-gag' ones, and sign the gags, etc.
asciilifeform: https://sks-keyservers.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=gavin+andresen << lulzy - the sheer number of obvious gag keys for gavin
shinohai: thestringpuller: and do you like how he is now unwittingly officially the face of their ponzi
phf: i figured, but i suspect it's a much more mundate explanation. nothing's change in gpg/gpgme setup from the previous core, so this must be something novel in the way cmucl is packing itself to a core file, or perhaps it's not reloading those foreign libs properly
asciilifeform: asciilifeform is specifically interested in the 'foo' in 'gpg --blah .... < foo' -> sigsegv
phf: and the way i'm using it is non-traditional (or perhaps very traditional depending on how you look at it)
asciilifeform: is there a gpg segfault in /var/log/messages ?
phf: i rebuilt the core from scratch since there was a handful of reload-breaking updates, and that's first thing i'm getting on load
asciilifeform: phf: do you have a (safety 0) in there or wat
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'Unless, of course, the text is the product of an unrelated adult, whose involvement with the whole thing is not emotional nor personal, and who therefore simply forgot about that detail.' << sorta like the fire-proof, bomb-proof, smudge-proof passports invariably found on corpse of every 'dead terrorist' in usa.
asciilifeform: phf: on the level of ft meade's 'star trek captain's chair' (one of the recent demented generals literally had one installed) - quite certainly.
phf: who would've thought that actual "cyberwarfare" would be exactly like those old cyberpunk games. "you have 1 iceBr34ker that you can deploy againt level3 nav agent v4, there's 15 of those agents, choose wisely"
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/the-story-of-elliot-rodger-by-elliot-rodger-adnotated-part-four/ << Trilema - The Story of Elliot Rodger. By Elliot Rodger. Adnotated. Part Four.
asciilifeform: rather than 1 spread across 1,000,001 maggots
asciilifeform: in at least that there was only 1 of him
phf: asciilifeform: donald duck had edge compared to all these clowns
asciilifeform: and i suspect that there is a journatard bootcamp somewhere, where they make this haircut. why have i seen 1,001 turdmeisters with it..?
phf: https://twitter.com/tonymerevick/status/401494704136937472 "Tony Merevick joined BuzzFeed as a reporter in the fall of 2013 to focus on national LGBT news. He is the co-founder and former editor-in-chief of Chicago Phoenix, an innovative LGBT news startup in the Midwest." about self "Cities News Editor @Thrillist. Formerly @BuzzFeedNews. Coffee, wine, and bourbon, please. Send tips to tony@thrillist.com"
asciilifeform: y'know, thing ~is~ a flying arse, even if donald duck were the one to point it out.
phf: i'm glad TONY MEREVICK pictured here https://assets3.thrillist.com/v1/image/1757937/size/tl-author_web.jpg has an opinion about the shape of £25m flying machine
asciilifeform: https://www.thrillist.com/news/nation/airlander-10-airship-looks-like-a-giant-butt-takes-flight-for-the-first-time << see also.
asciilifeform: in other noose, https://archive.is/Yvhnf << world's largest dirigible, british (originally american) crashes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'm not much of a prop comic myself. you're the one bringing little boards and probiscii and whatnot!
mircea_popescu: (this also plays out in the harem, esp with mid-recent girls. she gets in trouble, then gets in trouble and catches the beating of her life for having forgotten what she got in trouble for.)
asciilifeform pictures first day of mircea_popescu's lecture. n00bz walk in, find small road cone on each chair. 'no, gentlemen, these are glued on. have a seat.'
mircea_popescu: "if the victim perceives they have the luxury to shut down memory, they're evidently not petrified enough."
asciilifeform: in other noose, https://duosear.ch/62f4b87384ac27526b61a77e8d08793c3d2d77e2/listing/b22edaeb1f0a1354673f1e50a1be49c9119c03c7
mircea_popescu: she'll remember it for the entire rest of her life, long after she's forgotten the face of her first husband.
trinque: not upon the snake to un-snake
trinque: but one can say that it is upon the student to nut-up and stop being afraid in the face of the snake
phf: BingoBoingo: i have no idea what their endgame was, i think that they had some old fashioned notion of bad student, that they were committed to living out for as long their livers last. to be fair a "brilliant", but "misunderstood" alcoholic student is a european stereotype (it used to be mocked, but then there's a handful of books, where their genius is recognized type deal). i think u.s. philosophy majors carry alcoholism as a kind of
diana_coman: myeah, the what do you feel or even what do you think is just a bone to pick with current idiocy , nothing to do with what I was saying
trinque: diana_coman was commenting on the biological fact that being permanently afraid shuts down memory retention
a111: Logged on 2016-08-25 14:45 mircea_popescu: this is because you also don't grasp the concept of "learning" correctly. there is no required participation of the fucking subject in learning actual matter, such as philosophy. if i were teaching them cooking i'd be interested in their own fucking contribution and whatever. but the point of philosophy is to shut the fuck up and LEARN. what "the text makes you think" and what "you feel about X" is entirely uninteresting, bec
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-25#1529264 << nobody asks the maggot recruits 'what they feel' in maths lecture either, wtf
BingoBoingo: phf: Kinda why I switched to Library School on a different campus. That and the "hold pattern for a decade and phd" thing lost its appeal.
phf: BingoBoingo: the whole group was like a walking stereotype. a tall sickly looking polish guy with bowl haircut. an italian with unruly hair who was pretending to be an upper-class englishman. i don't think i've ever seen them sober, i suspect they were pretty dull otherwise
mircea_popescu: besides, if you were god wouldn't you make them sald-shaped dicks ?
shinohai: If this were so, Southern US would contain more salt than the mines of Siberia, to hear evangelicals speak.
mircea_popescu: (the snake is, for merit, the symbol of wisdom, by the way. specifically that in the mice's reaction to it, they bring to mind philosophy students in a half decent oxford class.)
mircea_popescu: diana_coman in english, "petrified" denotes the situation of the mouse beset by snake, who can't move away ; not the situation of sodomites turned to salt by a vengeful god.
mircea_popescu: they should totally make an app which gives you "secret loot" when you butcher people.