asciilifeform: in the company. Bruce said that Michael had his offshore money tied up with the IRS because of unpaid taxes and essentially his assets were frozen until he went to court. '
asciilifeform: 'Around this time, Bruce and I were sharing personal concerns and he confided in me that he had let Michael borrow $50,000 from his personal savings. Did you read that? A startup employee gave his life savings to our CEO. He wasn’t the only one. Another biz dev team bro who was crashing on the CEO’s couch, Bobby, apparently lent Michael five figures too. In disbelief, I asked why he needed money when he has $2M already committed
asciilifeform: 'Jessica, the social media manager, apparently cried when she found out I went to these meetings she wasn’t invited to.'
pete_dushenski: bought 2k btc for ~$2k in 2010 though so not a complete maroon but that's still taking the 'great divestment' pretty far.
pete_dushenski: "Bien fait, Monsieur Gervais!" << title fxd. sorry for the mix-up dpb.
mircea_popescu: honeslty i was expecting the same thing. the fuck do i care about w/e that was, i can't even recall. some athlete ?
pete_dushenski: it would be easy. For once the good guys won. The hellholes will remain hellholes without Olympic glory, at least for another four years. That’s good enough for me." << can't have too much calling out of vain, vapid sandnigs.
pete_dushenski: "Qatar and Bahrain paid for foreigners to compete under their ludicrous flags and won two medals between them. Qatar and Bahrain are ugly places ruled by ugly people who think they can buy beauty. They cannot. Just because a lot of greedy Brits sold their beautiful old houses to them, the two sandy hellholes thought they could also buy Olympic glory. Most athletes are professionals nowadays, so they figured
pete_dushenski: I’m not sure about the last one. Boats are now extremely ungraceful and downright unshapely; they either look like insects or refrigerators on steroids. Once upon a time there was nothing more elegant or beautiful than sailing boats with overhangs on their bows and sterns. Now we have titanium trimarans that can do 50 knots and look like prehistoric ants. If you need to do 50, get a boat with an engine."
pete_dushenski: "Why is it that grace and innocence make my knees go weak? I suppose it is because I have a view of the fairer sex more common in an era more romantic than the present. I feel more alive in the presence of beauty, but I also feel longing, both spiritual and physical. But beauty has been downgraded these past 50 years. Beautiful buildings are no longer built, just ugly, modern, so-called utilitarian ones, and
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: they had a parachute school near kaunus.
asciilifeform: re to mess with the untouchables.'
asciilifeform: 'Swiss authorities bellyache now about sky-rocketing losses in their financial services department caused by clients leaving en masse...no wonder: Switzerland has been turning clients in, selling records and giving tip-offs for ages to any "alarmed but trusted" party that asked; and third parties given records and tip-offs would typically share the loot with other third parties. Of course it was all about small fry, for none would da
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2016/the-pedoepiphany/#comment-118725 (queued)
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: <pete_dushenski> no kaunus, but not a bad place << my father, apparently, also liked kaunus. (he went to boot camp there.)
pete_dushenski: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160828/from:60/to:60#60 << because moar is better (tm). more protein in your protein bar, more diamonds on your ring, and on and on ad infinitum. that moar lines of code can't replace a competent cabbie is apparently discussion unbecoming of the 'civilised' set
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: there's no other way. except, perhaps, buying yoself a car jack and diy
pete_dushenski: no kaunus, but not a bad place to spend time either. lovely french bookshop on the end of the main square.
mircea_popescu: lol the upside of having done that elliot thing is that now every task seems tiny. "what, this article ? haha-it's done already!"
gribble: trinque was last seen in #trilema 2 hours, 18 minutes, and 23 seconds ago: <trinque> mircea_popescu: aha, will keep running the latest trb
pete_dushenski: i thought it was trinque on da playa ? jeez it's a full time job to keep track of all these various netizens
thestringpuller: check back after the temple burn
mircea_popescu: and then you pat her butt.
mircea_popescu: it's simple : you get a girl, strip her naked, make her bend her bubble butt towards you, then you take a magic marker, write I on one half moon, C on the other
mircea_popescu: at least elliot had the excuse of biological malfunction. but all his "friends" and colleagues and congenerational derps simply emulate the same decerebrated state. in sofrware.
covertress: *(The DAO)
mircea_popescu: it's the land of dreams, where the normal have something to say -> therefore have a voice -> therefore exist is entirely reversed.
mircea_popescu: because she exists, therefore she has a voice. because she has a voice, therefore she has something to say. don't blame the victim!
mircea_popescu: do you understand how the cruel world and the beastly nature of reality bullied AND RAPED him ?!
mircea_popescu: woman "is liberated" so she should get job, right ? she should be respected, right ? he's a liberal, don't forget. he thinks the girls should flock to him because he exists, and because he "never agreed to" they not flocking to him. and similarly buildings - once he decided they should fall down, THEY SHOULD FALL DOWN.
covertress: asciilifeform: people have forgotten the art of patience
mircea_popescu: i don't think you understand how the cruel world works.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and i'd guess it was not 'mental issues', but the continuous thread in his life of not ever taking the sweat to get properly skilled at anything whatsoever.
asciilifeform: covertress: thread is re a 'postalist' who, like ~all of them to date, could not hit 'broad side of a barn'
asciilifeform: but he had eons to visit the shooting gallery and learn the answer to 'can i play violin? dunno never tried'
asciilifeform: or even go to the gallery and 'bag' a few plates.
mircea_popescu: it's funny, this, most people^H^H libtards imagine you know, "guns kill people", like a sort of fucking djinn or something, on command. the animated, locomotive sword of 1001 nights. and they flatter themselves with this idea, you know, that if they took all the stops off and bought a gun and went to hunt people, they'd actually bag much
asciilifeform: it is really rather funny, asciilifeform lost a very cushy usg research job years ago because there was never a second aum shinrikyo incident, and bureaucrats largely lost interest in antidotes...
mircea_popescu: the exact same sort of mental issues that make it impossible for him to walk up to a girl and say "hi!" also make it impossible for him to shoot to kill.
mircea_popescu: the many ways in which insanity is self-limiting.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'Have you ever had occasion to see these obnoxious shits the moment there's shots fired, by the way ? I know of no better illustration of USian subhumanity than that fear. He's right : the moment he took the rifle out and started popping lightbulbs left and right, he was a God to them. Moreso than any god they ever knew or ever had' << fella had a pistol. and apparently his time at the gallery was largely wasted, hit
covertress: and the week before Halloween? fantasy fest, key west http://www.fantasyfest.com/schedule/ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantasy_Fest)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
thestringpuller: ;;later tell adlai thought of you the other day because the name "Adlai" appeared in futurama as a character.
mircea_popescu: which, ironically, is 50% or more of the advance a writer could at best hope to receive from is publisher.
mircea_popescu: covertress there's of course http://qntra.net/2016/08/mircea-popescue-announces-fanfic-contest-with-1-bitcoin-prize/
mircea_popescu: covertress by the way, do you write ?
covertress: *the deedbot, my precious http://geekandsundry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/TimeEnoughAtLast.jpg
asciilifeform: mod6: why is kernel src in there ?
mircea_popescu pictures postapocalyptic man digging through rubble. "found anything ?" "i dunno... HOLY SHIT! THIS IS PART OF THE DEEDBOT! WERE RICH!"
mod6: here's comes another 100mb whale
thestringpuller: you may even find the dope satoshi smoked before putting in magic numbers
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: you'd fit right in on the playa
asciilifeform: lel, 'I first met [Rodger] when he was aged eight or nine and I could see then that there was something wrong with him. I'm not a psychologist, but looking back now he strikes me as someone who was broken from the moment of conception.'
BingoBoingo: In other news Dale Launer who tried to tell Ellior how to get laid wrote "My Cousin Vinny"
BingoBoingo: lol, Dad and Soumaya get their own wikipedia entries
mircea_popescu: the usg is on to us!
asciilifeform: the 'meaning' is 'we DISCUSSED this, stop talkin' about it, terrorists'
asciilifeform: how are they ever ?
mircea_popescu: lmao. wait, what, the diebold machines come with a setting, like aks ? you set it on loose or tightened as fbi dictates ?
mod6: here comes the whale
asciilifeform: 'The FBI is warning all states to tighten security measures related to their online election systems after hackers successfully infiltrated one state board of election and targeted another, ABC News has confirmed. “The FBI is requesting that states contact their Board of Elections and determine if any similar activity ...'
trinque: mircea_popescu: aha, will keep running the latest trb
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: yes
mod6: sorry for the disruption.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: presently the thing will not build with - afaik - anything else.
trinque: mod6: I'm stopping the bitcoind on that box; subsequent ones might be a bit quicker
asciilifeform: problem in the trb case would be that trb is a cpp, and not c, proggy.
asciilifeform: (and why i suggested it, years ago, and probably buncha other folks also thought)
asciilifeform: this is kinda why the 'aborigin linux' fella wanted to work from tcc.
asciilifeform: motherfucking automake.
asciilifeform: (for one thing, it expects the usual megatonne of crapolade automake relies on)
mircea_popescu: how do you bootstrap it, for one ? the knight issues, how do you handle those ? list is pretty long
mircea_popescu: the gcc in particular is a monstruous problem.
asciilifeform: mod6: this incl. the buildroot deps ?
asciilifeform: perennial problem in partizan life. or 'kid throws the curve in class' etc.
mircea_popescu: yeah. and they "figure out" by "the palestinians" telling them. because the last thing they want is for someone who ACTUALLY DOES among their ranks
asciilifeform: iirc palestine has the occasional 'fella with initiative', and the front advances until tel aviv figures out where he lives and drops a few tonnes of c4 on his head
mircea_popescu: "the palestinians" don't want to level tel aviv anymore than temper tantrum child wants to stop breathing. they just like to pretend this want to get mommy-intl community to want to spring for a new bmw.
mircea_popescu: whereas man, especially if sane, is interested in doing not in canning the deeds.
mircea_popescu: the difference between man, such as heemeyer, and institution, such as "the palestinians", "the government" etc, is that the latter is dedicated to what it could do, and the preservation and expansion of that pretense.
asciilifeform: the palestinians have yet to level tel-aviv
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform at the distances involved, even radio works.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wasn't speaking of anything complicated, just something to prevent the routine police chopper from taking him out from above like sitting duck.
mircea_popescu: moreover, if your battlefield is ground+air, the weapon suddenly morphs from killdozer to rocket launcher field.
asciilifeform: perhaps there is a 'golden mean' lel.
asciilifeform: (and picture if heemeyer had 20 yrs to build the machine, rather than 1 1/2. could've had multiple turrets, incl. anti-aircraft, ir lasers, etc)
asciilifeform: and trains for it to the exclusion of pretty much all else
mircea_popescu: the military equivalent of falling through a glass pane. it'll fuck you up.
mircea_popescu: in any case, as soviets found out in ww2 right after the germans found out in ww2, the modern town is a nightmare battlefield.
mircea_popescu: also on head of anyone following, and blocking their access.
asciilifeform: just to find where the crunchable houses are.
asciilifeform: self-driving killdozer is a much simpler mathematical problem than self-driving passenger auto.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Likely because as math folk he knew to maximize hi cost to the enemy
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the only 'cool folk' among these i know to still remain alive is ol' ted kaczynski.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> ah too late for him ? << Apparently too late for many of the cool folk
asciilifeform: he even had redundant cameras for the viewport
mircea_popescu: ah look at that, thing died just like panthers did : dropped track.
asciilifeform: incl. much of the ru-speaking world.
mircea_popescu: "At one point, the police put a gigantic piece of construction equipment out to block Heemeyer's path, but the Killdozer just fucking made that shit its bitch, tossing it aside and nearly flipping it on its back like a cheap hooker in the process." lol guy has at least one fan
asciilifeform: 'Heemeyer took about a year and a half to prepare for his rampage. In notes found by investigators after the incident, Heemeyer wrote "It's interesting how I never got caught. This was a part-time project over a 1 1/2 year time period." In the notes, Heemeyer expressed surprise that three men who visited the shed last fall did not discover the bulldozer work, "especially with the 2,000 lb. lift fully exposed." "Somehow their vision w
asciilifeform: do this. It's a cross that I am going to carry and I'm carrying it in God's name," he said. Heemeyer's actions were apparently a political statement. In the audio tapes, he states "Because of your anger, because of your malice, because of your hate, you would not work with me. I am going to sacrifice my life, my miserable future that you gave me, to show you that what you did is wrong".'
asciilifeform: '"God built me for this job," Heemeyer said in the first recording made on April 13, 2004. He even said it was God's plan that he not be married or have family so that he could be in a position to carry out such an attack. "I think God will bless me to get the machine done, to drive it, to do the stuff that I have to do" he said. "God blessed me in advance for the task that I am about to undertake. It is my duty. God has asked me to
asciilifeform: i always found one particular detail interesting - usg had the thing cut apart into hundreds of pieces and scattered at scrapyards across the country.
asciilifeform: own on a fucking rail. But Marvin Heemeyer wasn't the sort of mewling pussy coward who was going to sit there and let a bunch of stuffed-suit bastards fuck him over like a little bitch. He was an insane badass motherfucker with an arc welder and a mad desire for vengeance at all costs, and he decided he wasn't going to take it anymore. Heemeyer paid his $2,500 fine to City Hall, scribbling the word "cowards" in the memo portion of
asciilifeform: years of petitions, appeals and negotiations that proved about as fruitful as smashing his face into a cinderblock, the bastards at the Granby Zoning Commission basically told Marv that he could go fuck himself gently with a chainsaw. They were going to build a concrete plant adjacent to Heemeyer's muffler shop, cut off his business' sewer line, slap him with a bunch of increasingly-massive fines, and ultimately run his ass out of t
asciilifeform: 'Marvin Heemeyer was a professional welder living in the quiet Colorado town of Granby, just trying to make a living for himself running a small muffler repair shop. Unfortunately, he was also in the business of getting royally fucked over by everyone in town, ranging from the paperboy to the asshats in City Hall who wouldn't compromise with him on some crazy fucking wacky zoning issues he was trying to work out. Eventually, after
mircea_popescu: the question was "are you gifted for playing violin"
asciilifeform: heemeyer demolished most of a small town, and pretty much everyone there knew why.
mircea_popescu: the gifts part, obv.
asciilifeform: heemeyer was the 'killdozer' genius.
asciilifeform: btw if mircea_popescu ever wants to do another 'hero' study, marvin heemeyer is every bit as interesting imho as joe stack.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, i'm pretty impressed with the readership. seriously, 200k words over a week ? that's like five books.
mircea_popescu: ok, fine. hereby is announced a 1 BTC prize for the best fanfic published on the blog of someone with a gpg key deedbot knows about.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> or INVENTION IDEAS!111 << An exhausted James tenderly holds Elliot's smell hand to his chest and tenderly babytalk to the appendage he calls Mr. Slippyfist. Elliot calls it the appendage.
mircea_popescu: other than for that curl, i totally beat apple's watch by like 30 years.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform recall the fabled watch i invented as a 3yo ? iirc was in the log somwehre.
BingoBoingo: I call it the point.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo if he could show his wee wee to people he wouldn't have the problem in the first place.
mircea_popescu: the physical world is capped for speed and counted for energy. which is why the race is always to the cheap.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the romans studied this problem extensively. no, it's not. triarius rarely wins.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: your old dwarf capo notwithstanding, the race is generally to the swift.
mircea_popescu: he got the "rape" game down pat, does he ?
BingoBoingo: "We somehow weren't reading the same text or somesuch, I don't seem to recall any bullying going on at Taft. Elliot is hereby docked one bullying claim." << Similarly he referred to his ass kicking as bullying when it was merely the result of little bitch drinking above his station.
asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2016/the-story-of-elliot-rodger-by-elliot-rodger-adnotated-part-eight/#comment-118715 << incidentally
BingoBoingo: "Well, technically, he might also be selling it to pay for the next keger where rando drunkards will act beligerently for no reason and generally lose their shit." << More probably it sits safely on the mantle of the party house as a trophy though the drunkards who keep it have no idea how much trophy it is
mircea_popescu: the beatings will continue until morale improves.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha. which is why "terorrism", ie, blowing them up is the only way. in elliot terms, "they brought it upon themselves".
mircea_popescu: Framedragger and have your friend read the log, presuming it's not just AFTNM. who knows, .lt anarchists get teh point afore others.
Framedragger: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160829/from:341/to:342#341 << that's of course a good point - using state's own tools to bring more power to the state *is* lame, and not optimal...
mircea_popescu: note that much like the elections, the bribes themselves are a null value : yeah the average american is too fucked up in the head to bribe traffic cops. yet both in america and in india, the same % of gdp travels as bribes for traffic cops. except in india it is personal ; whereas the us derps JUST TAKE YOUR CASH.
mircea_popescu: or as alf put it, "discomfort the comfortable"
mircea_popescu: what you';re stuck doing in those places is what happened to eg poor lawsky, and others : you are stuck proving to the tools that their state can't protect them. which is why the mexican cartels spent a while beheading "high ranking police officials".
mircea_popescu: the behaviour is universally called "corruption" in the state-owned press. because they loathe it. but whenever you close an economic circle with the tools of the state against or in spite of the state, you win. which is why i always bribe trafic cops, and don't even live in places where people generally don't.
mircea_popescu: therefore actual anarchism, in the sense of "anti-statism" is exactly not what you do (ie, act in the direction and on the rails the state provides to you for its own purposes), but exactly the opposite : insulate the instruments from the alleged power center.
mircea_popescu: n and hang the lizards by their guts one day. which they know - from bitter experience, this has happened before.
mircea_popescu: what the state always tries is to leverage the impredictability of you to befear its instruments. hence all the charade of "elections". they're not there for YOU to do anything. they're there because a) you're the sort of idiots who would think they're doing something when in fact you're brownian-motioning around and b) this sickening display strikes fear in the hearts of the pretorian guard. who could otherwise easily walk i
mircea_popescu: generally, thinking back to the whole "giant sitting in chair" discussion of supermarkets - the state always and everywhere tries to drive a wedge between you and its instrument. specifically, it tries to leverage the scale issue (see http://trilema.com/2009/de-ce-nu-mi-place-capitalismul/#selection-49.0-49.163 ) : you are many and impredictible ; its instruments could kill it.
mircea_popescu: and finally : your acts as described build towards that future. you HELPED the state gain larger control over the cops at that small preceinct. because now, whenever the state compes up with some dumb shit, the middle cop will be "we ain't gonna do this are we ?" and the older cop, thinking of you sad lot, will say "yeah we gotta, otherwise there'll be some ipad kids in here complaining".
mircea_popescu: moreover, the neighbours do not come to punch people in the street because they have work to do. raising a militia was expensive even in 1700. today it's very fucking expensive. hence the police, ie, standing militia.
mircea_popescu: the notion that "x precondition would make violence less relevant" is exactly equivalent to saying "if we had more pious women we'd have less need to defer to fucking"
Framedragger: besides, the cops as force decoupled from very shitty state != the cops as they currently exist. i don't trust the fucking state to manage them, and next time i write about how shit it is i don't want to expect a buncha these dudes to break in and "teach me a lesson in being putin spy by criticizing our great country".
Framedragger: the drunk dude would have tried to swing back, and neighbours would have come to help, and punch the thief. i do of course realize (or so i think) the *vast* naivete of this kind of frame of mind, but note that this is possible in some specific communities which take a piss on "global awareness projectz" and just function on a (very) limited geographical scale.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: regarding first strand, no objection, in principle. that is, encouraging submission in itself my breed larger problems and usg-like structures. regarding latter, yeah i have a problem with cops as such. knowing that this will only solidify my "wannabe naive anarchist kid" image, i should point out that if we had a more responsible, (actually) individualist and conscious populace, there would be less need to defer violence
mircea_popescu: the world is SO unfair, but often enough in practice experience unthinking beats naivite even should it be allied with all the wit in the world.
mircea_popescu: you want neither of these, presumably, so the right move'd have been to cheer the policeman, and insulate him from his boss/derpy kids. ie, what the drunken guy did.
mircea_popescu: the other is that it is the job of the police to distribute violence. if you don't let them beat up thieves, and cover them in red tape, they'll just get frustrated ; that frustration will keep boiling and boiling and eventually you'll end up with the us situation, which is to say no real cops (a cop is always and everywhere a BEAT cop! that's police work. naught else.) and a bunch of derps hoping to be SWAT. and again you ge
mircea_popescu: one that submission ~shouldn't~ be encouraged. so what if he didn't resist ? fuck him. if you make a difference by "did he resist", the life lesson you teach thieves (ie, everyone poor, which is how this goes) is that submission is a valuable trait. then you get unfucked women and usg-style government.
mircea_popescu: i mean good for you for standing up to things and so on ; but in general seems the effort was misplaced. not like they killed the guy. there are two important strands :
mircea_popescu: yet this kid fails at the fail! he can't even do the thing you're not supposed to be doing because "it's easy, you'll do it later, got better things to do now"
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160829/from:75/to:75#75 << no, literally, he has absolutely nothing to do with any academic anything whatsoever. back when i was going to [high]school it was considered a waste of your time, fit only for the marginally retarded, to spend your time tickling the tits instead of paying attention in class.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160829/from:71/to:71#71 << i dunno that most teen girlies have the sense to ask for a fisting.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: 'off to the rector, we need to cement new sarcophagus' is quite separate item from 'oh noez looksy there are sc4mz0rz'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there was titanic butthurt later, when his verdict came out
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: correct.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they all wore british garbs and studied british legal tradition etc. but as i understand, r. pal was secretly sane.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-deal-with-pseudoscience/#selection-83.145-83.200 << "the proper approach is not to proscribe, but to ignore."
mircea_popescu: apparently the most expensive thing in this world is a brain.
mircea_popescu: (also, amusingly enough, the judge wore a british garb, and the withdrawing delegate made a speech replete with angloisms. really, it is japan's purpose to "contribute to human welfare" ? as london defines it ? idiots.)
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: familiar with mircea_popescu's pill against pseudoscience ?
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: "Here" being the good 'ol USG and it's tentacles. Isn't the pop culture start up nothing but pump and dump? Founder talks up a big idea. Gets lots of money for it. Pumps up the bubble as big as possible then exits and lets bagholders deal with "profitibility" etc. << http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-28#1530787
asciilifeform: yes, they put up a statue to r. pal. but usg did a pretty good castration job on the land of the rising sun.
asciilifeform: where'd you get the 'waking up' ?
mircea_popescu: as to first, i don't think anyone can seriously argue that present day us has anything to do with the historical item that won ww2. as to second, now is flexible, 5 years,
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: where'd you get the 'unrelated' ? or the 'now' ? linked items were quite vintage
mircea_popescu: oh, and in other "small peni are no im-pediment" news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m07wjcn72W1qjjcgyo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so japan is waking up to the realities of the current us posturers being wholly unrelated to truman, patton et all ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160829/from:51/to:51#51 << o dude nice, so basically instead of a total index you do a day/and-index split so this way these log references will stay correct later too, once you import the past ? not bad.
asciilifeform: (they made crypto iron for usg, incl. the infamous 'clipper'. but i always picture a malodorous alien mushroom)
mircea_popescu: Framedragger there's a mp-wp ancient script thing shinohai was massaging.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: seconding that. the devs seem to know what they do, too (postgres-hackers is a nice ML)
asciilifeform: it's the 1 remaining working sqltron.
trinque: Framedragger: when you deploy, disable the sbcl debugger and put it in runit, a process manager
Framedragger: (aha, the reconnect method gets called in a separate ping thread, it seems)
Framedragger: trinque: out of curiosity, have you tested how well ircbot reconnects to irc? i see there exists `ircbot-reconnect`. logbot itself only exports that symbol but does not seem to use it itself?
trinque: and not trust then get your dick out and dive in blind
Framedragger: cf. other open sores stuff maintained by open sores people in no-one's wot here.
mircea_popescu: but to the more general point, the system provides no incentives for acting sanely for any peculiar definition of sanity, and provides shocking, oversized downside for fucking up. this is exactly as it should be : sanity as an emergent behaviour out of defined limitations of the world. it is exactly opposite of how the empire tries to work, of course, and in the process turns everyone into a version of elliot.
Framedragger: i mean a simpler thing: if people here trust each others' code more, that's a good thing, and *all other things being equal* (crucial assumption), that code should be preferred. no?
trinque: there is no incentive for acting sanely here
mircea_popescu: there... isn't.
Framedragger: limnoria is written in python. of course there is incentive for teh republic to use republic's own inventions, no doubt.
Framedragger: just ftr / in truth, when i mentioned "implementing the bot part", i only meant implementing the particular "cite irc lines etc" functionality on top; because the rest is done. in particular, the best solution (before checking out trinque's) seems to be limnoria, which is an updated and maintained extension of supybot (which gribble uses).
mircea_popescu: the strong, quiet type.
trinque: they're completely decoupled
trinque: right. in this case I challenge anyone to find a need for a second patch on those modules themselves, rather than creating a genesis vpatch for their own module which talks to the db in postgres.
mircea_popescu: and don't even fucking "oh i'll v them later". the whole point of v is to teach you how to code like a sane person.
trinque: Framedragger: so if you take a look at that there logbot... new logs are shat into postgresql. lines to be spoken by bot are read from another table.
Framedragger: trinque: ah fuck, sorry, i'm used to my state explaining what there is in the world, i guess ://
trinque: dude lets just be the fucking republic of irc bots
asciilifeform: cmucl is, as i now know, a stinking pile of shit, that pisses away the main upside of using common lisp in the first place: it reintroduces segfault
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: should i then proceed to implement the bot-part of the logs, too? if phf's bot part can be reused, then that's great, too. i guess i can investigate
Framedragger: too many parentheses!!! (*ducks*)
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: wait, you mean rewriting references to log lines in your (e.g.) blog? understand, i didn't retrospectively import *past* logs into the viewer yet. (but i will, now.)
mircea_popescu: Framedragger ok, don't bother, i'll just re-redo the fucking references. and you'll have to re-redo them in the log itself also. but that'll be it.
Framedragger: if it's a deterministic system and not based on some internal db id increment thing then it can and probably should be replicated.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger does your url system follow the same structure as present log ?
Framedragger: okok, enough with the not-committing shit. i agree, and apologize for getting on people's nerves, possibly. i will extend the thing's features. complaints and requests welcome
trinque: at any rate, I'm going to dedicate my time to peeling the wot mechanics into their own lisp system, such that I can publish that next, rather than log viewer. that is, provided Framedragger delivers.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger the universal problem with the alias system is that no two identical things exist in this world.
mircea_popescu: the curse is that "software boys" dun like to read.
asciilifeform: trinque had the right idea all along.
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> god damned it, now i'm gonna have to fish out old logs for a yet another time ? grrr. << the cure is that infrastructural items oughta be published.
mircea_popescu: heh. yeah, see ? exactly what i said above : this is why management pisses on heads etc. because the only solution to unreliable knaves is centralism.
Framedragger: but if people decide to actually use it then i should implement "previous day browser / buttons" asap because the current (choose from list of days) thing is really too simplistic.
mircea_popescu: god damned it, now i'm gonna have to fish out old logs for a yet another time ? grrr.
mircea_popescu: i assumed so, but i've had it with this "oh, you can't process the logs when you have time to process the logs because logviewer software is made by argentina."
Framedragger: look, it sounds like an excuse, but i assumed that phf's btcbase will remain the canonical viewer. making extended effort at redundancy *is* sometimes inefficient, even if educational.
mircea_popescu: alright, then i'ma inhibit trinque for the i dunno, fifth time and give your thing a try.
mircea_popescu: the point is, do you have any self-respect or don't you ?
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: did you try mine though? the web side of thing. it *does* work, fwiw
mircea_popescu: are you aware that this inane behaviour is why everything you don't like about the world ? this is why you don't get the same tax breaks as actual professionals. this is why the entire field is dominated by "management" that pisses on your heads. this is ALL OF IT, here. right fucking here.
mircea_popescu: it is the nature of the boy "interested in computers" to no do anything useful with his hands, what.
mircea_popescu: no dude no more of these quick hacks sorta-kinda-i'm not really involved bs.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i have the web side of things, more or less, though it *was* a quick hack. http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/today ; you can select ranges, too, like http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160829/from:15/to:26#15
mircea_popescu: i'm gonna have to fucking change all my references on trilema AGAIN ? what the fuck already.
trinque: before we go reimplementing bots the rest of our lives, remember that I published one that logs