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shinohai: The Bickening: Part Deux
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mircea_popescu: https://archive.is/pXqvt << "Last week I received an email from a dear student with a serious case of writers block. Shes been writing a screenplay for the last four years, and her work is almost finished. To her despair, however, she recently discovered that her very project (idea, locale, plot, and timeframe, all) was made into a film about to be released next month. Im sure you can feel her frustration and disappo
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shinohai: ;;later tell mircea_popescu need a quick word on the auction when you arrive today, thx!
thestringpuller: shinohai: nah. every rave had lines of hot chicks in skimpy clothes with tons of beta males around. honestly if mircea_popescu was around he would have stolen some wives for the night.
pete_dushenski: "Seriously, Jeremy—this segment of my race is not worthy of succor. I agree with the three passersby that refused to help them. Indeed, I applaud the thug for abiding by the instincts that God instilled in his savage breast!
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2016/09/04/myntex-a-case-study-in-security-theatre/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Myntex: A case study in security theatre.
BingoBoingo: <mtrgt> First of all, you're rude. Second, my time is valuable. I'm here because I thought there's a business proposal, and I don't talk business in public chatrooms.<< AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> speaking of qntra and corn, there's nothing sweeter than taber corn this time of year. slather on a little butter and salt and omfg do the angels sing. << AHA, but that is VERY different from field corn
mircea_popescu: oh, and plumbing the washing machine : http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lolje3Jh1f1qe0fxmo1_r1_500.gif
mircea_popescu: she certainly knows the job.
shinohai: I can only hope she brings the hot blond over too
mircea_popescu: and in other "this is going to be shinohai in a few weeks" news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_loum6zERIr1qka4tpo1_400.gif
shinohai: It's the Russian's fault
mircea_popescu: how the fuck idiot woman managed to lose a ten point lead in two weeks is anyone's guess. except, of course, for they who don't need to guess.
mircea_popescu: i'll buy when they're on hands and knees ; capable to fit average ripe pear in anus without tearing the fruit.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-04 20:30 mircea_popescu: aaand in other lulz, the city of buenos aires is selling ~500 acres of public property for gentrification projects ; including the all time favourite spot for the local "trabajadores" to "luchando", in front of the casa rosada
shinohai: I was afraid I might be eaten by fat furries or something thestringpuller
mircea_popescu finds it peculiar that everyone makes the tiniest keys possible.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160904/from:93/to:93#93 << an interesting battle is occuring now in argentina. the chinese are going after the unions. it's a no contest sort of thing, bulldog has found nest of mice in the field ; but im curious how long it'll take them.
mircea_popescu: i fear there's a lot of rudeness awaiting in the future of teh trabajadores del mundo ; unbeknownst to them of course and "nobody could have predict"-able.
mircea_popescu: yet, there he stands, igualidad por todos y etc.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile irl, https://mellowads.com/networkspace/20632723704E ; but that's not half of it : the "mellowads" thing just pulled a runner. so you'd think he has a lot bigger problems than trying to serve the agenda of the empire.
mircea_popescu: ah ok. well then i guess that settles that. thanks for dropping by in any case.
mtrgt: First of all, you're rude. Second, my time is valuable. I'm here because I thought there's a business proposal, and I don't talk business in public chatrooms.
mircea_popescu: so i asked shinohai who's one of the few republican folk with a tardstalk account to send you a pm.
mircea_popescu: no, i know. you're here because i ordered a survey of the ... hm... let's say politely bitcent space, and a coupla things popped up. satoshigalaxy, which got an add, and pokemonsomething, i don't recall, which apparently you bought
mircea_popescu: mtrgt ello. you the mexican guy ?
mircea_popescu: aaand in other lulz, the city of buenos aires is selling ~500 acres of public property for gentrification projects ; including the all time favourite spot for the local "trabajadores" to "luchando", in front of the casa rosada
pete_dushenski waves back at shinohai on the way out for jog. bbl
pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/USDOL/status/771461587924246528?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw << usdol brings the infographic simplicity the minwage debate needed. 'almost all the other presidents raised it so obummer should too! he even promised in 2013!'
pete_dushenski: speaking of qntra and corn, there's nothing sweeter than taber corn this time of year. slather on a little butter and salt and omfg do the angels sing.
pete_dushenski: started with http://qntra.net/2016/06/china-solidifies-presence-in-airstrip-twos-media/ in a way, or perhaps ended thusly. sorta hard to figure out where the circle ends and where it begins.
pete_dushenski: guess the move from btcbase to mkj logs is all but complete eh
pete_dushenski catches up on trilema debate, can only muster http://trilema.com/2016/there-is-no-difference-between-the-byzantine-generals-problem-and-the-prisoner-dilemma/#comment-118825
a111: Logged on 2016-09-03 01:19 mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160903/from:114/to:114#114 << the downside being that hair protects them from rub burns
asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2016/there-is-no-difference-between-the-byzantine-generals-problem-and-the-prisoner-dilemma/#comment-118813 << moar!111
mircea_popescu: why not just say so there!
asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2016/there-is-no-difference-between-the-byzantine-generals-problem-and-the-prisoner-dilemma/#comment-118811 << thing has 0 to do with socialists, communists, fascists, americans, the great zimbabwe, etc. it is wholly about hard limits on gluing ~reliable machine from unreliable components.
mircea_popescu: no i mean, i replaced the drdobbs w/e that is
asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2016/there-is-no-difference-between-the-byzantine-generals-problem-and-the-prisoner-dilemma/#comment-118809 << anyway.
asciilifeform: but it doesn't exist other than as pdf.
asciilifeform: well i could link to the original lamport
mircea_popescu: you're seriously linking me to a derpy mfa statement of the problem ? what is this!
asciilifeform: ( http://www.drdobbs.com/article/print?articleId=206904396&siteSectionName=cpp redirects to the spamolade version , vs the 'printable' clean one, when refer header isn't equal to the spamolade page. very frustrating , and workaround would be good addition imho to archive.is )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2016/there-is-no-difference-between-the-byzantine-generals-problem-and-the-prisoner-dilemma/#comment-118807 (queued)
shinohai: Even went through all of the trouble to make green bb code to look trusted
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-04#1534131 << http://trilema.com/2016/there-is-no-difference-between-the-byzantine-generals-problem-and-the-prisoner-dilemma/#comment-118805
mircea_popescu: oh and of course, ONLY ONE OF THESE per table. because reasons.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz : mysql admits default value = now for data type timestamp ; but not for data type datetime.
mircea_popescu: -spb- [Global Notice] I'll be shutting services down in around ten minutes, for (hopefully) around ten minutes. If you'd like to grab ops in your channels just in case, now is the time to do it. Apologies for the inconvenience! << which opens the eternal dilemma - "is this going to be permanent and i'ma regret not opping ?"
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/there-is-no-difference-between-the-byzantine-generals-problem-and-the-prisoner-dilemma/ << Trilema - There is no difference between "the Byzantine generals problem" and "the prisoner dilemma"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes http://trilema.com/2016/the-v-manual-genesis/#comment-118795 << that you or did someone scrape your site ?
ben_vulpes: no original work there, just a consolidation of knowledge floating around. mostly for those allergic to php and wwwtronium
ben_vulpes: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/0cdd986e-6ee0-4067-923c-5a4ca2f0c52b/?raw=true << if anyone on mp-wp wants 403s in their http webserver logs when login failures occur
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BingoBoingo: Could still be cookie confused over the time you linked a tumblr.com link and successfully posted numerous comments afterwards.
BingoBoingo: Unsure. Probably the " : " convention. That or wordpress is a piece of shit.
mircea_popescu: $key ethereumhunter
deedbot: ethereumhunter voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: $up ethereumhunter
deedbot: ethereumhunter voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: $up ethereumhunter
asciilifeform: nope, but the latter is coming up later tonight.
asciilifeform: thing they're attached to is supposed to supply up to 800w peak without burping.
asciilifeform: right now they're just playing 'music'
mircea_popescu: what does the motor do ?
mircea_popescu: but im sure they'll find some jews to blame. as per sop.
mircea_popescu: there's no practical use for all this hallucinated "capital" that these alleged depositors own.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-03#1534046 << sooo as i understand, euro depositors are in full mtgox mode?? ('we'd love to withdraw everything, but then the mousetrap will shut')
davout: pretty good, back to france for the week end
a111: Logged on 2016-09-03 16:45 mircea_popescu: together, they just want to nobody could have predicted!
mircea_popescu: what, that's the plan here, seriously ? someone needs to go back to drawing board.
mircea_popescu: because what, someone cancelled the "bitch, be happy if i take your money for free" ?
mircea_popescu: the state-run bullshits that pretend to be banks are exactly selecting for random idiots who pretend to be entrepreneurs.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck is going to take credit in dollars in a foreign market, and pay 100x the interest rate ? pretenders, that's who.
mircea_popescu: in other utter lulz, argentine bank (banco ciudad) takes out half page ad on the back of the main newspaper here to advertise how "tus proyectos no tienen fronteras", because the chief whore started with "proyectos" and now everyone's fixated on that word. the deal they offer ? 36 month loans, libor +5% (no less than 6%) for "grandes empresas" ie, "google's list of sites that we pretend are relevant to all searches" implement
asciilifeform: https://www.igolder.com/kyc << incredibly lulzy attempt to spin the compliance with usgism as a 'voluntary' and 'freedom-enabling' act
mircea_popescu: at least they admit.
asciilifeform: '...To learn more about the Bitcoin protocol and its feature, please watch "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD4L7xDNCmA (Bitcoin 2012 London: Mike Hearn).'
asciilifeform: but the best part,
asciilifeform: 'Since iGolder has a central point of failure (our server may be raided by thugs wearing some kind of uniform), we feet it is safer for us to cease operations. The iGolder experiment has been personally rewarding as we met many gold enthusiasts and also learned about Bitcoin in the process. For those who have no idea what Bitcoin is, we recommend doing your own research. Bitcoin is far superior to iGolder in every way, both in privac
a111: Logged on 2016-09-01 14:34 asciilifeform: ;;later tell diana_coman http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-01#1532900 << yes, there is a magical recipe, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-03#1421109 << thread.
mircea_popescu: this asks for the privkey and pw.
mircea_popescu: (for the non-ro elements : romania had a designated place for fertility treatments, sovata. it had some birthing pools, and a wide selection of not-your-husband's dicks to choose from. because yes, most of the time that's the problem.)
mircea_popescu: whole convo is straight out from the insane asylum. "gotta take care of your things" "oh ok i'll give them to google then"
mircea_popescu: in other news, i'm now getting spam which goes "Dear Influential Individual," for a salutation.
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-02#1533515 << Musk was making the rounds this week. He was on Colbert's Late Night show apologizing for booms. Perhaps he should stop working 120 hour weeks and maybe get some sleep?
mircea_popescu: it's a shockingly common complaint, this. you'd wonder wtf they do with all the time they're saving.
asciilifeform: depressingly familiar mass delusion (quite like, e.g., the tor thing.)
asciilifeform: the ~approach~ i am seeing among monerists - 'it's a black box, i'ma assume it does the claimed magic' is also concerning.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-03 01:44 mircea_popescu: it's altogether unclear it fixes anything ; the controlling discussion re that is alf's smoke grenade.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-30 17:29 asciilifeform: davout: 'ring signatures' are not the promised 'invisibility cloak', but more of a smoke grenade.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-03 01:44 mircea_popescu: but if you understand this ring signature thing past the buzzword level, feel free to introduce it rigurously and prove that claim.
asciilifeform: there are no 'darknets'
a111: Logged on 2016-09-03 01:39 Bugpowder: Right, The Playpen operation. But there are so many DNMs, no way they are all honeypots. Now, some may be usgov inflitrated, tor may be usgov compromised, but I don’t think DNMs are driven by usgov.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-03#1533882 << is it a difficult concept that THERE IS NO SUCH THING as 'DNM', because there is no such thing as DN !?
mircea_popescu: and in other news, saliva! http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_llmjgkPaeE1qeox3uo1_1280.jpg
Bugpowder: http://www.nature.com/news/roger-tsien-s-legacy-the-creations-that-lit-up-biology-1.20532
Bugpowder: My thesis advisor also died this week. 64. Smartest guy I’ve met.
Bugpowder: I think he died and the project stalled. But my news is a year out of date. Haven’t been paying attention until ETH/ETC… and there is just tooo much stuff in the ecosystem to keep track of these days.
mircea_popescu: but no, it's bitcoin-mmo. and after a year+, playerbase has not yet the slightest clue re mechanics involved.
Bugpowder: OK OK. when grant writing is done, I will check it out. Is it like huntercoin? Too bad the dev for that died.
Bugpowder: life good. she forgave me for Just Dice accident. 2 kids now. They are running around outside now… Just need to secure long term funding for work and I’m probably set.
Bugpowder: getting the wife to agree… harder.
mircea_popescu: ok, so you bring the boat ?
mircea_popescu: "This faucet has A LOT of options. Since I dont have time to write them all down I created a video explaining everything you need to know about the faucet" << this somehow made sense, to someone.
mircea_popescu: you bringin' the girls ?
Bugpowder: well, let me know when the next interesting opportunity arises.
Bugpowder: So are you just chilling in Argentina on the spoils now… or do you have some new business/profit schemes?
Bugpowder: It does worry me, but I put that into the known unknowns category of risks. And pricing risk adjusted EV, still makes sense for me to hold a signifcant crypto fraction in XMR as printer of new bitcoin. It’s harder these days to print BTC without MPOE-bot.
mircea_popescu: you know, a little like the adjustable arm mortgages.
mircea_popescu: ltogether) to detrimentally rely on a property that is temporary when he needs it to be permanent.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the allegation is that the "privacy" offered is very heavily time bound ; that it naturally dissipates over time ; and that after a sufficient interval - say a year - one can rely on any and all transaction being no longer at all private. this means that the monero ring signature is in fact an anti-feature : it makes the superficial user (who either foolishly doesn't invest the time ; or otherwise lacks the capacity a
Bugpowder: As for the controlling issue, coopting of the project is certainly a major risk moving forward, but I do think you have too much confidence in the sophistication and coordinatino of usgov.
Bugpowder: I haven’t invested enough time to understand and technically defend it. But I know people who are true professional on the subject (pre-Bitcoin “professionalization”) and will solicit their expertise on the current state and on RingCT.
mircea_popescu: but if you understand this ring signature thing past the buzzword level, feel free to introduce it rigurously and prove that claim.
mircea_popescu: it's altogether unclear it fixes anything ; the controlling discussion re that is alf's smoke grenade.
Bugpowder: In turn, Monero has potential to fix a weak point in DNM function, which potentially provides significant value. Now, whether the tech geniuses that order on DNMs or vendors have the savvy to implement properly and with enough volume to make economic sense is another matter.
mircea_popescu: in principle this can be said about anything just as well ; whether that anything exists or doesn't.
Bugpowder: DNMs provide a service to clients, make money for vendors and the host. The risks are assymetric to the reward, but so is swallowing 50 condoms of blow and flying into the US. Plenty of people’s life circumstances make the reward calculus more appealing than you or I might find.
mircea_popescu: in the absence of economic drivers, there will either be a political driver or no movement. which leaves us with the simple explanation. i don't gotta prove that every single individual woman thought of dick up her ass every time she spent too much money on cosmetics.
mircea_popescu: of course not. except if they grow big. because what are you going to do, the model doesn't work.
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder sure, and there are so many bitcoin faucets, no way they're all trojan downloaders.
Bugpowder: Right, The Playpen operation. But there are so many DNMs, no way they are all honeypots. Now, some may be usgov inflitrated, tor may be usgov compromised, but I don’t think DNMs are driven by usgov.
mircea_popescu: but whatever, i'm sure the derps involved think themselves finger-tenting lever clever for it.
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder looky : the original "dnm", ie silk road, never made any economic sense. and then went away. FOR THIS REASON. the subsequent attempts to enact this as a thing, including coming up with bullshit three letter acronyms, were strictly exercises in http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160902/from:404/to:404#404
shinohai: Why would you use ETH in a darknet market? Just huff the shit and call it a day.
Bugpowder: doge and ether never got traction in DNMs.
mircea_popescu: though it'd seem they've learned their etherape lesson and are much more conservative on the fiat side. prolly will be more like doge than ethereum. anyway.
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder seems it has some chance to become the next usg-sponsored wanna-be bitcoin thingee. that's usually good for a ride, fed still has a lot of printolade to spread around.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160903/from:119/to:119#119 << as opposed to anything else whatsoever happening, right ? like, if a girl walks up to them and says hi. or if there's an angry mob. or whatever else.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160903/from:114/to:114#114 << the downside being that hair protects them from rub burns
shinohai: Nothing stands out to me as special about, has blockchain bloat, I'd rather use Bitcoin to buy drugs.
mircea_popescu: the logs be your friendz
Bugpowder: Although if you look on the sites, only 10% of vendors accept it.
Bugpowder: Alphabay and Oasis annouced support and the price went nuts
mod6: uh. i doubt it. can't speak for other tho.
Bugpowder: its been a good week. why not qntra article on how monero is not the one true bitcoin yet?
a111: Logged on 2016-09-01 00:03 mod6: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-September/000232.html
a111: Logged on 2016-09-01 20:36 mircea_popescu: "The sports casters are blaming back to school shopping, as if kids never before got outfitted for school at the and of August." << ahahaha. mno. as if anyone in the us has any money to spend. that's the big fucking point. usg.agitprop is talking about some wholly hallucinated shoping, that in their feverish imagination is so outsized as to keep people away from baseball even ?
pete_dushenski: in fact, if anything defines a "terrorist" it's exactly this spitting in the face of http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-01#1533233
pete_dushenski: "“If you like comfort, and that’s what drives you, you’ll never do this,” he told me, taking a sip of the ice-cold vodka. “But sometimes you get really surprised. Once you have a commitment to something, all these things that you thought were normal in your day-to-day life become unnecessary luxuries.”" << amen. spoken like a true terrorist.
pete_dushenski: "Two months before Obama arrived, the government presided over what was widely considered a sham election, in which the ruling party won all 547 seats in Parliament, But Obama, making it clear that security trumped other concerns in the Horn of Africa, stood beside Meles’s successor, Prime Minister Hailemariam Desalegn, and described the government as being “democratically elected.”
pete_dushenski: "Nega insists that Ethiopia has “cooked the books,” and that its growth rate is largely attributable to huge infrastructure projects and Western development aid, with little contribution from the private sector." << all to protect reputation of bahamas homeland
pete_dushenski: "Once a Bucknell Professor, Now the Commander of an Ethiopian Rebel Army"
pete_dushenski: speaking of the power of violence as a force for edumacation : http://archive.is/WiEYD
pete_dushenski enjoys guess the car from one curve/angle/snippet game
a111: Logged on 2016-09-01 03:05 mircea_popescu: and in other excessive opulence news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_loa4f0dV5g1qmk4gro1_1280.jpg
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-01#1532666 << thought this was plasticarwagon a la BingoBoingo at first. prolly citroen/peugeot upon further review.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-01 00:03 mod6: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-September/000232.html
a111: Logged on 2016-08-31 19:55 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Just shop for lumber and stone slabs. Teach the tot carpentry.
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-31#1532632 << wut, like i'm japanese master carpenter who doesn't even need nails to make timber structure stand for 1000 years ? hardly. anyways, the vanity is getting scrapped in favour of other reno prioritays.
pete_dushenski: there's a lotta "if trump were elected i just wouldn't even know what to say or do" going around
a111: Logged on 2016-09-01 14:14 mircea_popescu: so i watched a southpark episode last night, it was one about how all the canadians moved to the us because they had elected a trump and canada was turned into a total detroit by his idiocy BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T PAYING ATTENTION, and it made me think of http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160831/from:98/to:98#98
pete_dushenski: in other sexy news, the mpex 'speed bump' feature is catching on beyond iex. http://archive.is/0xOrx
a111: Logged on 2016-09-02 04:08 boolcrap: what kind of man shaves their balls
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-02#1533505 << this is sop for dudes who get their balls sucked with any kind of regularity. mebbe it's a bit pornstarish but it's the only way to live.
mircea_popescu: "i wash sword in blood of enemies and dick in ass of their wives. what need has true man for water ?"
mircea_popescu: how this came to pass is anyone's guess, but the arabs had a reputation for engineeringly inept.
mircea_popescu: who knows. fact is romania had it made in the shade, exporting skilled workers + machined parts in exchange for straight out concessions. had its own oil field which it sucked with its own rigs, oil moved on its own boats to its own refineries
asciilifeform: i have nfi if this tale is true, but there is another, steve dutch (geologist, i linked to a few of his pieces) reported that arabs initially had serious problems with oil well maintenance when no migrant worker could be found to wash a part, oil a machine, etc.
asciilifeform: for some reason my immediate mental image now is the legendary newly oil-rich bedouins who, supposedly, abandoned mercedes in the desert rather than bothering to refuel it
mircea_popescu: aha. hey, i'm a man of simple tastes. 120 tdw boat , dirigible... i always content myself with the very inaccessible.
asciilifeform: or, more pointedly, the long and quite unpleasant surgery involved in undoing the idiocies of 'satoshi' derp, by no means complete even now
mircea_popescu: before not caring about random fashion, one needn't even know it exists. there are really NO prerequisites to simply not including bad code, caring abotu stupid social conventions etc.
asciilifeform: (e.g., the case of pgp)
mircea_popescu: maybe, vaguely, we might resurect something later that people who are really emotionalyl invested in their youth not having been wasted will misinterpret as "we took it from google".
mircea_popescu: they think they're important, fine. every teenager thinks himself important, and relevant to the world. the truth is none of them are either.
mircea_popescu: that's not it. just ... look, all this "work" that the prb derps think they're doing. it has no future. it isn't getting imported into bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: not really. i already cleanned it up ; exactly in the way the spunk left behind by the teens is cleanned.
asciilifeform: cleaning up the mess from the circle jerk will take 10,001 man-year of people of whom not even 100 are alive.
mircea_popescu: all the boys are out in the forest jacking off, and all the girls are being mean to each other in circles of n-1
mircea_popescu: not even vaguely. the activity resembles final middle school camp.
asciilifeform: the activity as now extant resembles, more than anything, the building of the pyramids.
mircea_popescu: but the bullshit koch does ; or blizzard does ; or app development or etc ain't it
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this isn't to say that there can't exist a market ; or that one can't write useful code.
diana_coman: <mircea_popescu> it's entirely a social-media thing. boys "program" exactly like the girls "are popular" <- only today I read in that sad ACM magazine that *used* to be a thing about the great discovery of "helping" children finally learn programming by...making it social!
asciilifeform: even if the shoes - are real.
asciilifeform: arguably making shoes for these selfsame people is likewise countereconomic.
mircea_popescu: the govt distributes largesse for this and for that, so the mouthbreathers can keep going.
asciilifeform: that this was not yet done to programmers illustrates the 'nobody needs 'software industry' for very much, it would not cover the diesel' hypothesis.
mircea_popescu: this is plowing with chickens. they work for a year at a time not for a two hour stretch ; then you got a business.
mircea_popescu: review the problems of running mines in the us cca 1800. dumbass minersd want to work a week and visit a brothel.
asciilifeform: and on land they can leave ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they can't leave.
mircea_popescu: it's entirely a social-media thing. boys "program" exactly like the girls "are popular"
asciilifeform: vs only the shoes
mircea_popescu: there's MANY flotillas of sad shoe makers / tailors etc.
asciilifeform: where are the sad flotillas full of captive programmers etc.
mircea_popescu: it works better if you have half a dozen slavegirls with you ; buy ten tons of flour, have them make bread each day
mircea_popescu: they'll deliver. you just buy your sprat by the pellet rather than by the box as now. it keeps./
mircea_popescu: hey, i had them deliver 2 tons of water by hand ; the whole purchase was a few hundred bux.
asciilifeform: until the day when no new ones are available at any price.
mircea_popescu: unlike the kickstarter lolrlov nonsense. they exist, and they float. nobody asks you to go from vancouver to huangzhou.
mircea_popescu: they float.
asciilifeform: these ships have exactly all of the appeal of driving a ww2 panther tank around town.
asciilifeform: 'folks charging $1000 per container could not afford the diesel. i know great idea! i'll buy one and carry 0 containers, charging $0 !'
asciilifeform: ntainers because there were no guarantees that tugboat pilots or stevedores would be paid.'
asciilifeform: 'The bankruptcy of the Hanjin shipping line has thrown ports and retailers around the world into confusion, with giant container ships marooned and merchants worrying whether tons of goods will reach their shelves. The South Korean giant filed for bankruptcy protection on Wednesday and stopped accepting new cargo. With its assets being frozen, ships from China to Canada found themselves refused permission to offload or take aboard co
mircea_popescu: "And honesty's against all common sense: men must be knaves, 'tis in their own defence. Mankind's dishonest; if you think it fair among known cheats to play upon the square you'll be undone. Nor can weak truth your reputation save: the knaves will all agree to call you knave."
shinohai: "An unknown individual using the encrypted privacy tool Tor to hide their tracks accessed an email account on a Clinton family server, the FBI revealed Friday." <<<< bwahahaha
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: idea was that only gpg2 knows how to talk to the 'wks' crapolade.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no i mean, i nthe context of keys. they're still the same damned thing, what "2"
mircea_popescu: the braindamage of faux incompatibility.
asciilifeform: unveiled at the 'pgp conference', no less.
asciilifeform: that was the whole lul in subj link.
asciilifeform: neither does koch's not-sks.
asciilifeform: when did these folks ever have shame.
mircea_popescu: is this what they call the police arresting the key people of their child porn ring ? "attacked by terrorists" ?
asciilifeform: 'Yesterday, we announced HONR 378Q, and many of you are interested in the course. Unfortunately, as you may already know, AUAF was attacked by terrorists 10 days ago and they are in the process of recover. So we are unable to offer the course this semester; but we are hopeful that we will be able to offer it in the future.'
asciilifeform: in epic spam noose, 'HONR378Q Honors Seminar: Islamic Radicalization Drivers of Youth in the United States and Afghanistan Omar Samad, former Afghanistan Ambassador to France. This is a Global Classroom seminar: Using teleconferencing technology UMD Honors students will be conducting research with their Afghan peers at the American University of Afghanistan in Kabul.' --- then, 24 hrs later,
asciilifeform: it is quite conceivable, given the popping rate, that some large fraction of extant rsa keys have somewhere between 24 and 64 bits of actual entropy.
mircea_popescu: because if we discover that say "thisfunction is used on 64 bits of input of which the first 44 are known" ; then we run the other 20, add the resulting nextprime etc add those into the 8ball and it's goodnight.
mircea_popescu: considering we have millions of keys, and considering the sort of shenanigans we've seen currently, including werner koch's gpg subversion most recently ; it would not be inconceivable at this point if a good chunk - thousands, hundreds of thousands of keys can actually be factored once we figure out which exact 20, 30, whatever bits are actual entropy , and how the nextprime is chosen on the basis of that.
mircea_popescu: to be clear here : if the keys are generated out of 16 bits of entropy ; and if there are 65537 keys ; then necessarily there will be at least one weak pair, and in practice more than half ; all of which will be cheaply hacked apart by phuctor's method.
asciilifeform: soooo, turns out that the 'publickey' thing is displayed whether or not it is actually enabled.
trinque: people do the strangest things.
mircea_popescu: but at this point it wouldn't be much surprise if there were, honestly.
mircea_popescu: trinque his idea was that it's worth checking if there were ; not necessarily that there are.
asciilifeform: trinque: well that was the q. didja try it ?