asciilifeform: one reason why ordinary airplanes drop bombs, rather than darts, is that the necessary accuracy for a dart hitting a man-sized target is not available.
PeterL: not saying it is new, just that it might help with quadcopter armaments, using gravity to assist rather than trying to think of shooting like guy standing on ground
asciilifeform: PeterL: bombardiering is an actual thing, could read up on the problems involved with actually hitting target.
asciilifeform: and in particular, '...a large bird such as an eagle or kite does not keep in the air mainly by moving its wings. It is generally to be seen soaring, that is to say balanced on a rising column of air. And even soaring becomes more and more difficult with increasing size. Were this not the case eagles might be as large as tigers and as formidable to man as hostile aeroplanes.'
asciilifeform: in so until it drowns. A few insects, such as water-beetles, contrive to be unwettable; the majority keep well away from their drink by means of a long proboscis.'
asciilifeform: 'A wet mouse has to carry about its own weight of water. A wet fly has to lift many times its own weight and, as everyone knows, a fly once wetted by water or any other liquid is in a very serious position indeed. An insect going for a drink is in as great danger as a man leaning out over a precipice in search of food. If it once falls into the grip of the surface tension of the water—that is to say, gets wet—it is likely to rema
asciilifeform: and eminently relevant to the 'pistol on quadcopter' thread.
a111: Logged on 2015-02-14 05:25 asciilifeform: 'You can drop a mouse down a thousand-yard mine shaft; and, on arriving at the bottom, it gets a slight shock and walks away, provided that the ground is fairly soft. A rat is killed, a man is broken, a horse splashes.'
mircea_popescu: at the cost of more friction
asciilifeform: you cannot actually discount the friction, aha.
mircea_popescu: rather, yes.
asciilifeform: terminal velocity for the dart is usually much less.
asciilifeform: they also had little darts.
asciilifeform: PeterL: ww1 state of the art
asciilifeform: there are even, iirc, white phosphorous shells.
PeterL: why not just drop bullet from above rather than firing?
asciilifeform: iirc they are even commercially sold in usa.
asciilifeform: can fit these, and more, in '12 gauge' shell.
asciilifeform: more or less ideal weapon for the scenario
a111: Logged on 2016-09-08 15:53 asciilifeform: heads, leucrota, manticores, vultures, paranders, weasels, dragons, hoopoes, owls, basilisks, hypnales, presters, spectafici, scorpions, saurians, whales, scitales, amphisbenae, iaculi, dipsases, green lizards, pilot fish, octopi, morays, and sea turtles.' -- eco's 'name of the rose'
mircea_popescu: quite reminescent of the "man half penis" medieval things.
asciilifeform: quite reminiscent of the 'balloon boy' incident.
asciilifeform: 'straight up' will likely convert the thing to a brick immediately.
asciilifeform: they, as every aficionado knows, reliably shatter if they so much as touch a blade of grass.
asciilifeform: the cost.
mircea_popescu: then... what are you on about lol.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at the weird farms, http://67.media.tumblr.com/2698f6760e7f0f575560258cdb67b94f/tumblr_nwphykHJLg1ucyfvgo1_1280.jpg
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: !~later tell diametric do you know of a good reason a 2-3kg chopper couldn't be built on aluminum alloy frame ? not whether it is, nor why afficionado's don't, but whether couldn't.
asciilifeform: and this is , unlike much of the other matter, not a theoretical question, folks have sweated over 'what is the smallest aluminum chopper that can fly' , read them, not me.
asciilifeform: (even the fabled glock, cracks. but at least not right away. might want to look into what glock frame was made from.)
asciilifeform: try it on paper. take the useful payload lift of the toy engines, and subtract the mass of the aluminum airframe from it.
asciilifeform: they don't scale down from that size.
asciilifeform: once in a while you hear of a fella who got carried away at the controls, lost his head.
asciilifeform: modellists build aluminum choppers, they are motorbike-sized.
asciilifeform: the latter is typically made of soft, light stuff.
mircea_popescu: also the chopper not being a plane, it can tolerate a lot more than the warthog could.
mircea_popescu: however, the constraints are material durability and relative density, because the main factor is atmospheric response.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the scheme contemplated here expells 100 grams of material per second, and weighs 3kgs.
mircea_popescu: seems the cannon fires 400gram projectiles, about 70/s. so it expells 30kgs of material per second ; and it weighs 150 tons.
asciilifeform: firing, e.g., luger, from a toy chopper, is roughly similar to the notion of firing 'big bertha' from a 'warthog'.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: roughly arithmetize the mass of the bullet / mass of the aircraft , in each case.
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 30mm GAU-8/A Ammunition - Orbital ATK: <https://www.orbitalatk.com/defense-systems/armament-systems/30mm/docs/GAU-8A_Fact_Sheet.pdf>; PGU -46/ B HEI - Orbital ATK: <https://www.orbitalatk.com/defense-systems/armament-systems/30mm/docs/PGU-46B_Fact_Sheet.pdf>; GAU-8 Avenger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GAU-8_Avenger>
mircea_popescu: note the GAU-8 fires 30x173 at 1km/s
asciilifeform: who recalls the a10 gunship.
asciilifeform: this way you avoid eating the blunt end of newton's 3rd law.
BingoBoingo: PeterL: No, the reverse. Thing should be called Flutterby, but retards insist on calling it butterfly
asciilifeform: ... before we lose this thread, i will point out that the correct projectile weapon for a toy flyer is 'gyrojet' rocket.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-12 14:02 mircea_popescu: incidentally, how the fuck did the "butterfly" misspelling of a flutterby catch on ?
PeterL: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-12#1539987 << obvious to any schoolchild - insect has ~0 to do with butter, but clearly you can see it flutter as it goes by, therefore many kids have separately come up with genius transform to flutterby
asciilifeform: buy toystore chopper and then kick it in flight
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the small chopper that fires so much as a 'bb' accurately and stays upright is afaik yet unsolved problem.
asciilifeform: in usa there are even aficionados who shoot'em out
mircea_popescu: the expense of servicing cameras is getting crew to mount pole etc. not the parts. the parts are all cheap - great satan just prints to cover.
asciilifeform: melt the ccd.
mircea_popescu: no movement there, but yes.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo, mircea_popescu : more 'bang for the buck' if parasitically ovipositing on rooftop chimneys, lights, street lamps, similar.
mircea_popescu: yeah BingoBoingo is right, we also had the "add to people's cars, without asking the people, have it powered from heat exchange etc"
BingoBoingo: <Framedragger> unless, you know, you removed the copter! << THermocouple, epoxy, car exhaust!
mircea_popescu: eh, the plane-to-glider conversion is a sort of "my car is also a submarine"
asciilifeform: chopper converts to brick (models do not have the inertial mass to autorotate) if power cut.
mircea_popescu: shinohai i don't think anyone seriously contemplates importing the aferations of random soi dissant sovereigns.
asciilifeform: bottle is rolled by the waves.
asciilifeform: the nifty thing about my (circa 2009) sketch of 'naval gossipd' is that power is cheap
mircea_popescu: but this aside sure, the design space is wide open.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger ideally you want it to empty the balloon and return "home" sometime.
mircea_popescu: anyway. this sketch of a discussion should suffice to show that the enemy has no hope of ever getting a perimeter around the network again.
Framedragger: unless, you know, you removed the copter!
mircea_popescu: also top of balloon makes the perfect surface for solar cells.
asciilifeform: and other terrorisms.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the beauty of bitcoin is that it actually allows one to permissionlessly serve.
asciilifeform: in fact, the ideal machine would likely be an ornithopter that - unlike any extant ornithopter - rides air currents.
trinque: have the thing circle
trinque: why chopper rather than small plane
Framedragger: asciilifeform: a month >> "stationkeeping time", so there's that. and they can be super cheap. and mass-produced. a HAB army anyone?
asciilifeform: shinohai: the whole point of cheap chopper is to piss on 'restricted'
Framedragger: i think you may be disappoint at the amount of stationkeeping time you can do on quadcopter or w/e, even with a large solar cell which then surely will render a larger radar profile; but maybe i'm mistaken - interesting
asciilifeform: (unless tethered to the ground, and you can recall how well that worked for usg last year)
Framedragger: there exist very small HABs with basically just a transmitter/repeater and super small solar cell, fwiw
asciilifeform: ergo not a suitable instrument for the bite of 10,000,001 gnats against the back of a dying sovereign.
asciilifeform: they leak. and have gigantic radar cross-sections.
asciilifeform: i have wondered what the state-of-the-art in ~stationkeeping~ re quadcopter presently is.
asciilifeform: (recall the saddam gps jammer thread)
asciilifeform: Framedragger: we traded games like 'elite', rather than lolcat vids, but otherwise similar.
mircea_popescu: the thing with the 10minute / 2km range is that in most circumstances, this is a half hour distance. if you have to drive it - gotta park, unpark, holy shit. most people live within 2km of their friends anyway.
Framedragger: https://www.fastcompany.com/3048163/in-cuba-an-underground-network-armed-with-usb-drives-does-the-work-of-google-and-youtube
mircea_popescu: what do they do, like 10km/h ?
asciilifeform: even then.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this presupposes a 100% landing rate, and a time 0 to encipher and fill the stick, and then to empty it
Framedragger: ah yeah, the "terabytes of USB keys in truck" data rate
mircea_popescu: this, incidentally, is quite viable, if the animal spends ten minutes in flight and carries say 32 GB sticks you're looking at
mircea_popescu: another thing i'd like to see prototyped is quadcopter mediated data exchange. have the guy plug out a usb stick from one back panel, fly it over, plug it into another back panel.
Framedragger: and, you know, listening to them weird russian number stations and pulsars http://www.rtl-sdr.com/using-the-rtl-sdr-as-a-transmitter/
asciilifeform: Framedragger: the linked piece is approx. same as the 'transmit with my vga card' from 1990s.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: ah yeah, that's what it'd be called then. (there is some experimental stuff but nvm, http://www.rtl-sdr.com/using-the-rtl-sdr-as-a-transmitter/ )
asciilifeform: which is a quite useful thing, both for 'i can hear my keyboard across the street, wtf', other experiments, but also for picking up eventually mircea_popescu's shortwave.
mircea_popescu: the very beginning.
Framedragger: yawell, don't forget, routing is not a trivial problem. this is only the very beginning, i think. an occasion nonetheless though, surely!
Framedragger: indeed, indeed. hence an itch to try things over radio whilst reading those comments there
mircea_popescu: as people (alf, mostly) pointed out in the intervening coupla years, there's absolutely no sane reason to marry gossipd to extant-internet, or tcp/ip or etc, as the original draft was trying to
mircea_popescu: but honestly, gossipd as a finished product can not possibly come other than with a mesh-over-wifi and mesh-over-radio ready made.
Framedragger: entirely unrelated: wouldn't it be somethin' to test out some gossipd ideas over *actual* cheap long wave or whatever wave radio devices between these here people?
mircea_popescu: (it's also a wonder why they don't teach girls to masturbate in sex ed / have special sherub camps etc.)
mircea_popescu: but in the meanwhile, why not try everything see what works. you could call it fuckd-dc
Framedragger: wouldn't exactly object to reading that. girls sometimes are not in the know, either, which is pffft.
mircea_popescu: coming next on trilema, a butterfly classification by preferred wrist motion. learn to distinguish the circular girl from the more common sideways girl and the very rare vertical motion girl.
Framedragger may have been hinted at this very night. the laziness is sometimes frustratin'!
mircea_popescu: now you know what "baby i'm spent but if you wanna come over we can watch porn and do the butterfly" means.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-12: [11:46:17] <Framedragger> and also from the cve, "The vulnerability can be exploited even if security modules SELinux and AppArmor are installed with default active policies for MySQL service on major Linux distributions."
mircea_popescu: (pretty obvious to me : if you run finger over winds, the sensation is of buttery smoothness, esp if expression is restricted to the field of experience at the time.)
mircea_popescu: incidentally, how the fuck did the "butterfly" misspelling of a flutterby catch on ?
Framedragger: .onion forums (they still exist, yes) deliberately exclude http referrer header fwiw
mircea_popescu: Framedragger it's there, #46
Framedragger: you may want to put an update linking to the new doc in http://trilema.com/2015/artifexd-a-better-ircd-rfc/ mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: in any case more than what slashdot provides. so there could be a dark slashdot somewhere ?
asciilifeform: and relatedly, i have a proposed cut of the gordian knot, but now i gotta write it up
mircea_popescu: well, it's the 2nd most read article this month, which i've never seen before for a recent piece.
mircea_popescu: and in other irrelevant news, that article's the weirdest thing i ever saw. apparently it attracted huge interest - but is linked virtually nowhere.
mircea_popescu: gotta start somewhere. and that somewhere is always the same : everyone steps out of his mother's cunt covered in blood and guts, not to mention shit half the time.
asciilifeform: heh i still recall when folks believed that their unixen were 'multi user' os etc. aha.
mircea_popescu: a good part of why "shared hosting" as a fiction for the masses moved to "cloud hosting" as a fiction for the masses being that there was already no way to secure a lamp environment enough to multiuser it.
asciilifeform: .. or the overdue bullet ?
asciilifeform: the particular exploit ?
a111: Logged on 2016-09-12 11:44 Framedragger: summary by one lucb1e, "people that can run queries on your MySQL server, either by legit access (shared webhosting or something else) or via an SQL-injection vulnerability, can execute commands that might root your server. Looking at the PoC, it seems possible to overwrite any file that the MySQL user (or whichever user MySQL runs as) can write to."
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-12#1539858 << pretty great. thing is long overdue for its behind-the-shed bullet, just like openssl.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what's to expand though ? the thing with secrets is that someone will be leaking them ; much like the thing with chastity vows. now find him, etc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i know. but this is the nominalist axion. you're stuck with some level of simon says
mircea_popescu: the "secret tx pool" thing is trivial in theory ; in practice it opens you to a whole cat and mouse game and it didn't seem to me we're there yet.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how do i locally configure my terminal to emit mircea_popescu's command-of-the-day ?
mircea_popescu: ifeform, and that there's a trilema article on this topic ; and finally that italians do it better : http://66.media.tumblr.com/fc49140463f06998aa16e4dde0f9217f/tumblr_ny6xzbsqoG1revz5to1_500.gif )
mircea_popescu: (notice also, for the sake of stating the obvious - that what glyphs one's monitor displays is a matter of local configuration ; that if one wishes to type ζ and have a certain bot respond with a search that someone is encouraged to look into macros, keybindings, or whatever solution of this problem his locale prefers ; finally that nothing keeps asciilifeform from getting phf to have a111 behave any arbitrary way in #asciil
asciilifeform: trinque: mircea_popescu was correct in his formulation that you gotta be large enough for them to die if they refuse, for this to work.
trinque: so then no one mine's atop your block, and what
asciilifeform: let it go over proper crypto to the high-s pool.
trinque: new prefixes are worth it in that they allow command name overlap.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-12 10:00 mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160912/#76 << i recall explaining then, but i guess it didn't stick : the fact that transactions are malleable means no such thing as a "high only" pool may exist - others can malleate your "high only" txn and mine them as lows. meanwhile network effects prevent you building a mining farm that mines high-s txn : unless you control a significant portion of the hash, you will just mine orphans.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-12#1539841 << the second half of this is afaik true, but the first item is trivially solved by not sending the tx anywhere else.
trinque: point being then can discover prefixes and commands.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, truly there isn't, and truly tis a problem. but your question wasn't "hey, shouldn't we have a canonical manual of commands or something ?" to which the answer would have been "go, write" rather than tomato.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-12#1539827 << mircea_popescu throws rotten tomato at me but afaik there is not a canonical manual of commands, nor is it possible to find whether the latest knob rewiring took, without brute test of three or four of these
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-12: [03:35:52] <BingoBoingo> To celebrate these 9/12 phuctorings https://i.sli.mg/0FzhV3.png A SEASON!
a111: Logged on 2016-09-12 09:39 mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160912/#37 << one wonders, of course, if hanno boeck ( http://trilema.com/2016/psa-hanno-bock-still-a-deceitful-shitbag/ ) is stuck in an airport somewhere furiously editing his speech on his "research" which entirely consists of repackaging material published by the republic for his dorky friends with internet / mental disabilities. or whether they'll just publish an incomplete list and pretend no
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-12#1539822 << i think the boeckfest was over on friday night
mircea_popescu: moreover nothing prevents emergent/de facto specs. the job of the gossipd spec is to keep people from doing world-breaking idiotic stuff. how they handle their own wives is their own problem.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: gotcha. i felt shy because all these other smart people don't comment on the article, damn their restraint
a111: Logged on 2016-09-07 23:51 asciilifeform: this happens, just like at your university, in the manner the elders decide. and not the manner the novice prefers.
mircea_popescu: just bear this in mind, there's no stupid questions, only stupid people. and deciding the venue of a question decides the venue of the answer, which is a major problem, as it conflicts with a fundamental principle ( ie http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-07#1536621 ).
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: but you don't think there may be a problem with flood of messages in the network across all "channels" / topics? it'd be neat if there was a way for a node to specify that it's only interested in things (specified by prefix, as in your example) under #trilema
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: because i thought the question may have been truly stupid, and turns out it sorta was!
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: ah, shit. for some reason the first time i've read the message storage format (in the general sense), i.e. "time, X, Y, text", i read it as from X directed towards Y. my shitty fault
mircea_popescu: there's one chat, and it's universal-party.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-12: [11:08:04] <Framedragger> mircea_popescu, asciilifeform: regarding gossipd, aside from the central point of disagreement, regarding a "lighter" matter: what about subscribing/unsubscribing to "topics" (a kind of pubsub model)? because there's no discussion of multiparty chat as of now; or is there not to be, in gossipd?
a111: Logged on 2016-06-14 04:33 mircea_popescu: otherwise - hole, night, creeps in.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-12 11:08 Framedragger: mircea_popescu, asciilifeform: regarding gossipd, aside from the central point of disagreement, regarding a "lighter" matter: what about subscribing/unsubscribing to "topics" (a kind of pubsub model)? because there's no discussion of multiparty chat as of now; or is there not to be, in gossipd?
jurov: nor other branches/releases
shinohai: Maybe I should switch to an ethereum-based database >.>
Framedragger: (the PoC seems neat, with a custom bogus malloc library that mysql is told to use by a malicious config file loaded by malicious mysql trigger)
Framedragger: and also from the cve, "The vulnerability can be exploited even if security modules SELinux and AppArmor are installed with default active policies for MySQL service on major Linux distributions."
Framedragger: summary by one lucb1e, "people that can run queries on your MySQL server, either by legit access (shared webhosting or something else) or via an SQL-injection vulnerability, can execute commands that might root your server. Looking at the PoC, it seems possible to overwrite any file that the MySQL user (or whichever user MySQL runs as) can write to."
jhvh1: adlai: The operation succeeded.
Framedragger: (the most general one is http://fd.mkj.lt/stuff/p2p-pubsub/2012.mw.pdf - pubsub based p2p architecture called poldercast)
Framedragger obligatory swear towards paywalled PDFs. two evils at the same time, "CS" "academia" ftw
Framedragger: topic-based publish/subscribe has been sorta well researched, but i guess this problem is on another 'layer': gossipd document would leave this for 'implementation'. even though it may not be trivial at all, to make decisions regarding such matters, choose best spec, or design it from ground zero. but of course makes sense to discuss the foundations first
Framedragger: mircea_popescu, asciilifeform: regarding gossipd, aside from the central point of disagreement, regarding a "lighter" matter: what about subscribing/unsubscribing to "topics" (a kind of pubsub model)? because there's no discussion of multiparty chat as of now; or is there not to be, in gossipd?
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160912/#80 << ahahaha ok this may be the best oglaf yet.
mircea_popescu: with the caveat, of course, that it's one of those "greeks, exactly backwards, exactly right" : the infantile mind will expect the sentence speaks about the world. in fact, it speaks about the self.
mircea_popescu: and for that matter, a good measure of power is the overlap between "judiciously" and "it fucking pisses me off".
mircea_popescu: and these two points aren't unrelated. the keystone of maturity is an ability to pick fights judiciously.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160912/#76 << i recall explaining then, but i guess it didn't stick : the fact that transactions are malleable means no such thing as a "high only" pool may exist - others can malleate your "high only" txn and mine them as lows. meanwhile network effects prevent you building a mining farm that mines high-s txn : unless you control a significant portion of the hash, you will just mine orphans.
Framedragger: yeah meknows, it should first do the hostmask and only then enter room. will need to check innards of bot.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger hostmaks. you're doing them wrong.
mircea_popescu: ima skip the endless deluge of similar idiocy in between the two quoted points. stop whining like an impotent retard who has internalized his impotence and consequently whines as loudly as he can and does not stick to his whining a moment later. it's unseemly.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160912/#61 << we can have a perma moratorium on the following nonsense : you tend to bitch loudly about irrelevant shit. stop doing it. it's a waste of your time ; and it significantly degrades your standing.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-12: [03:35:52] <BingoBoingo> To celebrate these 9/12 phuctorings https://i.sli.mg/0FzhV3.png A SEASON!
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160912/#37 << one wonders, of course, if hanno boeck ( http://trilema.com/2016/psa-hanno-bock-still-a-deceitful-shitbag/ ) is stuck in an airport somewhere furiously editing his speech on his "research" which entirely consists of repackaging material published by the republic for his dorky friends with internet / mental disabilities. or whether they'll just publish an incomplete list and pretend no
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160912/#29 << check out infertile old woman angry at the fact that she's old & infertile so taking it out on peoplez! for shame.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160912/#25 << the sad result of girls reaching literacy without the experience of beating.
mircea_popescu: should have a proper list of commands rather than a few words description of what it does though.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-12: [03:10:19] <pete_dushenski> speaking of making use of blogs, i've taken the liberty of compiling the various #trilema bots, their calls, and their functions onto a single page >> bots.contravex.com
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160912/#9 << a) that dude looks too much like a dork to be dpb ; b) notice how many of these schmucks are wanted for "the dpr crime", aka "said heretic things to usg agents while unaware of their being usg agents, facts to which usg agents swear" ?
ben_vulpes: one of the other things i had scribbled down is that asciilifeform wants a crypto-hard wall against "teh ddos", and mircea_popescu appears satisfied that uninformed idiots who can't find keys are enough of a pill against the ddos. i don't see how this is an improvement on the ip address, which the average netizen is entirely uncognizant of.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: i recall. and without the nukeforkpocalypse, i thought that using mod6's '-lows' flag was sop...
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i did call for nuke war over the high-S idiocy...
a111: Logged on 2016-09-11 16:22 mircea_popescu: the point ~everyone, from the propellerhead ethidiots to yours truly, prefers to not observe the fact that bitcoin can not be part of economic activity as is, because unspecified machinery with unpredictable behaviours are exactly not the substance of contractual agreements.
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-11#1539601 << /me wonders to what extent fiat central bankers lie awake at night spinning the same observation round and round their fatigued noggins worried sick about their own altcoins.
asciilifeform: why the FUCK did $s have to move.
asciilifeform: motherfucker
a111: Logged on 2016-09-12 03:54 ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-11#1539662 << you know i had a whole thing typed out but i think the core is that mircea_popescu is talking connections and asciilifeform is talking blobs
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-12#1539757 << this makes 0 sense. what 'connections' are there in anyone's gossipd picture ?
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-11 18:52 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i am quite curious re how you would summarize the point of contention in subj thread.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-11#1539662 << you know i had a whole thing typed out but i think the core is that mircea_popescu is talking connections and asciilifeform is talking blobs
pete_dushenski: speaking of making use of blogs, i've taken the liberty of compiling the various #trilema bots, their calls, and their functions onto a single page >> bots.contravex.com
pete_dushenski: bloggers of the world, unitit!
pete_dushenski: to uber's credit, i wrote them an email explaining the situation and they refunded me the fare with almost no hassle to speak of.
pete_dushenski: obviously a 'cap' of 1.5x surge pricing is retarded and doesn't prevent drivers from being yahoos and scamming riders, as happened to yours truly last month in mtl when driver intentionally disobeyed my command and that of his gps toy and intentionally took wrong turn 'by accident' that led to a detour almost doubling the mileage of the trip
pete_dushenski: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/uber-deal-in-detail-1.3756402 << hard to be 'disruptive' when all you do is make shitty deals with the soi-dissant powers that be. fuckin uber.
pete_dushenski: in other crickets, http://shop.aketta.com/products/pure-cricket-powder?variant=847196443 << $44 buys you a pound of flour made from 100% milled crickets and has a “deep, earthy, umami flavor with hints of raw cocoa.”
phf: i'm pretty sure cmucl's networking/threading interaction is busted. it shouldn't be, for all practical purposes it's an erlang model (green threads, and async io on vm level), but in practice the code is dodgy..
phf: cheers, i just refreshed the stack so should be less random bot timeouts
a111: Logged on 2015-06-13 03:39 asciilifeform: http://downloads.cornall.co/ibm-capsense-usb-web/ibm-capsense-usb.html << anyone here own one of these ?
asciilifeform: or how plane is not designed to do any particular constructive thing should the wings fall off.
asciilifeform: the basic error is same tho
asciilifeform: 'they might see my shitrng'
asciilifeform: i suspect this is the basic fear that motivates whiteners
mircea_popescu: thinking being that if the all-xored-with-key packet is specifically known, observer has some advantage in detecting underperforming rng ; but if it's not known then not so much.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what i mean is, iirc rivest just puts key in last packet. there's no reason to have a "last" packet ; why not "one of"
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-11#1539692 << that'd be the exact opposite of 'all or nothing', neh?
mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/7e448afc1e995100d0baf056b881a336/tumblr_ncrdooTK3R1rgqpl0o1_1280.jpg
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mod6: <+asciilifeform> incidentally, is anybody other than Framedragger currently following the http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document conversation ? ben_vulpes ? trinque ? << i have.
asciilifeform: but yes, it is 'freeform' in the sense where no algebraicism (as in rivest's, or the popular OAEP) is imposed, and the output can be as long and entropic as one likes.
asciilifeform: it remains to be demonstrated rigorously that mine does the job as claimed. which is why i haven't posted it quite yet.
asciilifeform: it is a brain-meltingly simple algo, somewhat like 'v'; and inverting the transform with partial info is provably equivalent to halting problem.
asciilifeform: -- an 'all or nothing transform' (term of art) that, unlike, e.g., rivest's, does not rely on the strength of any hash, nor symmetric cipher, nor imposes algebraic structure.
asciilifeform: as a byproduct of the mega-thread on mircea_popescu's www, i invented a potentially useful item, that probably ought to be shared
asciilifeform: (is it apparent to the naked eye what it is ?)
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i am quite curious re how you would summarize the point of contention in subj thread.
asciilifeform: my exhortation here was 'say what has not been said,' not 'moar dakka!' (or however these go.)
ben_vulpes: it is the most difficult design problem i've seen and i'm still working to wrap my head around both of your positions