mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski please add entries to the bot page for !% !Q !W !R !A !S !X !1 !2 !3 !4 !5 !q !w !r !a !s !x with the mention "not currently allocated" or such, and a note at the end saying in sum that if one wants to make a bot for #trilema they're to take the next unallocated string for his bot's UNIQUE control code, and display what it does to us in channel.
ben_vulpes: subject of pacific dindustan ("hobo island"): http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2016/07/theres_a_homeless_camp_on_a_ci.html
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: !~later tell thestringpuller you have been slacking on blogging for a whole month
ben_vulpes: i haven't leveled the aws banhammer, so my node's likely collecting all sorts of hilarious crud that yours isn't
asciilifeform: btw i proved last year that the in-memory block index ~does~ grow unboundedly, but very slowly.
asciilifeform: *how i came to the
asciilifeform: fwiw neither zoolag nor dulap have ever oom'd.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-13#1540863 << oddly enough, it does not. hovers around 3-4GB. which is i came to the fragging hypothesis.
mod6: ben_vulpes: my test node has ~4gb of ram, it usually hangs out around the same, ~3.5G of ram for bitcoin, then after like a month it ooms. then needs to be restarted.
BingoBoingo: phf: Nah, just some shit I chopped together drunk.
phf: BingoBoingo: are you running the openbsd patch?
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Restart every few weeks to back up blockchain. Is not trb, but other on Openbsd with trb shit bolted onto sides
ben_vulpes: i've been running this one for 9 days straight (previous box would OOM-kill the process every 2 days or so), and it's currently holding 3846M RES
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: mine holds rather steady between 1 and 1.1 GB, but different libc and other shit.
asciilifeform: poor heathens.
asciilifeform: 'The Libtiff library, which has been a reference implementation of TIFF for many years, has disappeared from the Internet. It was located at remotesensing.org, a domain whose owner apparently was willing to host it without having any close connection to the project. The domain fell into someone else’s hands, and the content changed completely, breaking all links to Libtiff material.'
asciilifeform: the kind that includes O(1) noise rejection AND repudiatronics.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-11: [14:53:41] <mircea_popescu> hm i thought the wiki got updated.
hanbot: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160911/#226 << i updated it a week ago. possibly there are other guides floating around that still use $ ?
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-11: [14:50:25] * Framedragger wonders if it's the trilema-following bot army. will check
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160912/#1127 << actually i think it's some chick by the name ingrid mouth
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it is sold wherever other children's picture b00kz are sold.
asciilifeform: known for, e.g., 'the squirrel machine'.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: At her age aspiration pneumonia is a concern. As a Clintion chemical induced pneumonia can not be dismissed either. Even a fungal Aspergillis infection is possible due to dope smoking.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: she probably has the kind of pneu-monia typical of those with a, ahem, spare tire
mircea_popescu actually took the trouble of specifying asciilifeform 's disorganised-six-comment-idea , lemme know if i fucked it up.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-12: [22:40:57] <phf> pete_dushenski: i'm sure there's a whole bunch of people who'd want to implement url reading, i suspect it's first come first served
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160912/#1058 << i finally grasp what you meant phf ; have a111 read links to btcbase.org ; scriba will read to log.mkj.lt and so on if further ones appear.
asciilifeform: then ok.
asciilifeform: (rather than assbot-style randomola)
mircea_popescu: or not put them in.
mircea_popescu: eh, let people curate their fucking links.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-12 22:46 mircea_popescu: i suspect we'll have no url readers ; with the exception that all logreaders may read the line in their own www.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-12#1540772 << am i the only one who habitually #t's on boxes with no www browser ?
a111: Logged on 2016-09-12 22:34 mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160912/#943 << if you dunno where to send you should go read the logs instead. ha-ha! nothing to allcomers!
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-12: [22:06:45] <trinque> where does putting hatch chile on my dick before sex fall in the prank to assault continuum?
mircea_popescu: eventually girls figure out it's the chilli. crazy shit.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160912/#993 << i had a very pleasantly mild red hot chilli in a stu last week. cut it in hand, above the pot as it was simmering. thought nothing of it, ate the stu, moved on with life. that night, i took a hot bath, and i drew the conclusion my hand had somehow gone frostbitten indoors.
mircea_popescu: phf i know, i'm just thorn whether quoted should be case sensitive or not. aanyway, minor point.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-12: [21:49:09] <phf> proper unicode search (rather than octet matchin, the way it's doing it now) particularly with case-insensitivity takes like 40% performance hit.. so deferring on it for now
trinque: the spaceman's wife?
mircea_popescu: i suspect we'll have no url readers ; with the exception that all logreaders may read the line in their own www.
mircea_popescu: oh the urls. hm.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160912/#952 << not to mention this is a bickening discussion. we'll have to SORT these in an order ? god help me, i'm not doing that.
pete_dushenski: it came to me not in a dream but just as i was falling asleep. i didn't write the 'bot directory' idea down because... same reason einstein didn't carry notebook
phf: pete_dushenski: i'm sure there's a whole bunch of people who'd want to implement url reading, i suspect it's first come first served
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-12: [21:36:00] <trinque> the prefixes were a good idea *because people's fucking bots wont stay up*
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160912/#949 << not just that ; but botmastering threatens to become a rite of passage. i'd much rather go from 1 to 2chars control seq now, when the inconvenience is mostly baseless bitching ; than in 18 months, when i actually run out of single chars and moving is the worst utter nightmare
a111: Logged on 2016-09-12 09:28 mircea_popescu: should have a proper list of commands rather than a few words description of what it does though.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160912/#943 << if you dunno where to send you should go read the logs instead. ha-ha! nothing to allcomers!
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160912/#935 << word ; http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160912/#937 << then you talk to all. there's no such usg.all as you use defined in this space.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-12: [21:08:38] <phf> i guess the idea is that you do "$help" and all the bots harass you with pm's of what they can do?
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: anyways, why do you ask about the mega-thread ?
asciilifeform: was pete_dushenski here for the gossipd mega-thread ?
pete_dushenski: i think the doge took that one
trinque: where does putting hatch chile on my dick before sex fall in the prank to assault continuum?
trinque: http://www.archaeologysouthwest.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Hatch-chile-ristras.jpg << grocery stores overflowing with these right now
trinque: chopped a bunch of them and went ahead and touched my eye
trinque: so hatch chiles, they're delicious
phf: proper unicode search (rather than octet matchin, the way it's doing it now) particularly with case-insensitivity takes like 40% performance hit.. so deferring on it for now
phf: PeterL: search now case insensitive, but for english only. lmk if there are still issues. i kind of hacked it up by mapping A-Z to a-z during read. pretty sure last time i read the paper i had some elegant solution in mind, but it's been so long, i've forgotten what it was
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-12#1539978 << lulzily, 120+ and counting unique ip hits on my www with valid refer from the gossip page.
jhvh1: !~bash (x) will save the last number of chat lines specified. bashed content available @ http://bash.contravex.com/
trinque: then later we're on gossipd and "online" doesn't mean anything
asciilifeform: trinque: for the sake of argument, it is possible to have 1 prefix that triggers, e.g., phf's bot if the latter is up, and Framedragger's if it is not, etc.
trinque: and I can for example implement everything everyone else has over time and when theirs goes away, we shrug
trinque: the prefixes were a good idea *because people's fucking bots wont stay up*
trinque: oh my god the bitching
asciilifeform: alternatively i can print out a wall chart for myself once mircea_popescu is done randomly rearranging these...
asciilifeform: or if they consist of $!##$R#@#help, $$#$#$$help, etc.
asciilifeform: $help and ALL the bots pm you.
trinque: send the bot in question a "help" pm
phf: i guess the idea is that you do "$help" and all the bots harass you with pm's of what they can do?
mircea_popescu: or you know, not gays because chicks might not show up. how about transshitheads and people with disabilities.
phf: it's already the de facto rule. i think i saw maybe 5 black people in the whole 7 days. (one said that his nickname is "nerdy digger")
mircea_popescu: what's worse, to outbid teh inspektion der konzentrationslager and then insult the ~11.5% slice or the ~2.5% slice ?
phf: i suspect nobody cares enough to bid on a desert at $7 million bezzles, what would be the appeal?
mircea_popescu: or what'd piss off the jwz crowd more, gays ?
mircea_popescu: almost worth it to do it and then exclude all black people.
mircea_popescu: that this hasn't deteriorated into an endless battle of injunctions is even more shocking. bejewels, not even the lawyers work in the us anymore ?
mircea_popescu: so how much btc would it cost me to organize burning man instead of "bmorg" whatever the fuck that is.
phf: i suspect blm are the first one to get your
mircea_popescu: and you'd better not say "us govt" because then i expect proper bidding yes ?
mircea_popescu: that this affair hasn't spontaneously degenerated into about 500 different, vaguely connected camps is testament to the sheer and amazing lack of testosterone in that population.
phf: i think the way it works is that bmorg technically rents out the entire black rock desert, and then puts the festival somewhere in the center
mircea_popescu: what if you park your van right NEXT to their invisible fence, and start giving out free beer for tits ?
phf: a moving object on such a flat space will light up with even most cursory of sweeps, so you can keep the whole concentration camp aspect under the radar
mircea_popescu: how do they get power ?
phf: it's a very large and flat desert, there's no "just walking in" without being noticed. all they need to do is line of sight the perimeter more often than it'll take you to get to perimeter
mircea_popescu: we didn't stay anyway, i have a very short tolerance for pompous idiocy these days. but i imagine the whole "ticket to go to desert camp" must be very much the same thing. what, they got chicken wire around the perimeter and watchtowers ?
mircea_popescu: i tell her i dun have any ; she explains that... "it's not her rules". i turn around, ask guy to open door as we're leaving, they go frenzied on the phones, eventually girly is like "no problem, no problem".
mircea_popescu: we show up, it's like a locked door. but i happen to know the doorman, so he opens up and we go in, at which point girly wants... to see id.
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, i was recently invited at some "theatric performance" in a very nice old building here, i suppose the local best-effort equivalent of one of those ny things, artsy chicks daughters/wives of lawyers etc.
trinque: dunno how or if they police it. I don't go.
mircea_popescu: trinque so if i just walk in they... what ?
mircea_popescu: trinque you mean you can't just drive there ?!
trinque: thestringpuller: where the fuck is this "decommodification [sic]" in the ticket price of going, lol
mircea_popescu: yeah right, because i'm going to fuck roadkill to pacify the natives now.
phf: the core of the argument "if you bring your supermodel, she must be covered in alkaline dust by friday, otherwise she looks `too clean`"
asciilifeform: fwiw i can smell the jwz from a continent away, and have never felt much desire to go.
phf: bm has always been bezzle rich, it's the big party for jwzs, and the actual confrontation is between bezzle rich san francisco hippies who "get it" and bezzle rich new york preppies who want their van fulls of paid-for bored and disinterested supermodels
mircea_popescu: anyway, the problem is evidently that the few were afraid of the many ; and the many smelled this and fucked them. wealth isn't actually involved, tis a matter of fear.
mircea_popescu: yes yes. i have no intention to burn the burn.
mircea_popescu: but with time it becomes uninteresting, and then tedious.
phf: fwiw, we're not talking about mp coming to the burn and fucking shit up
asciilifeform: i am at a loss re any other use.
mircea_popescu: that i am one of the few (hopefully i'm not the only one!) who also bestows the gift of cognition in the process does not change the fact.
mircea_popescu: so yes, if need be or fancy strikes, i will break through the delusions of interesting piece of meat.
mircea_popescu: but children and young adults are different populations. i only fuck the latter.
asciilifeform: well why would you bother with 'burningman' ?
asciilifeform: now i gotta ask, would mircea_popescu bust into 'disneyland' to remind the childrenz that there aren't actually any such thing as friendly gigantic mice ?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller you're not serious, are you ?
mircea_popescu: anyway. an inept, unskilled AND DISOBEDIENT populace. in the quaint words of the virgin mary, "holy shit dude"
mircea_popescu: if were gonna pour water, could as well poured it there as here.
asciilifeform: with other crabs - yes.
asciilifeform: crab, i suspect, understands that he cannot constructively deal with the cook.
mircea_popescu: funny - they didn't burn THAT.
mircea_popescu: rather.
mircea_popescu: you don't get to say what the point is once money walks in.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller optionality follows wealth not will. rich people can do whatever they want. poorfags however - poorfag.
thestringpuller: except that isn't _the point_
mircea_popescu: for the same money they could try to become a cat-dragon or w/e. try with all their might, they still don't get to.
thestringpuller: there are plenty of rich people who go to burns with open camps :P
mircea_popescu: i am not against their trying lol.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: eh you can club'em over the head, if can be bothered, but they won't quit trying to not care - why would they.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-12: [18:35:03] <phf> asciilifeform: sort of nobody cares if you're reach, but there's already been tension between people who are roughing it and people who are doing it in comfort.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160912/#770 << this is a luxury. as all other luxuries, strictly reserved for the rich.
asciilifeform: fwiw it isn't the 'cooked rat' that puts asciilifeform off the fest, but the '9 people in a bathroom'
asciilifeform: plus i had nfi that mircea_popescu had to move his legs to get the 'cheap local cunt', i thought it gravitated into his event horizon by itself
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as i understand, the tension comes from burningman having once been a 'poorfag resort' where folks pretend that mircea_popescu doesn't exist, etc.
mircea_popescu: the fucking entitlement in that land, it's something else by now.
mircea_popescu: sane country'd have rounded up the 70k people, beat the shit out of them, made them re-make audio equipment, tyres etc by hand
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-12: [18:31:52] <thestringpuller> 70k people go to burning man and establish camps. a small few who aren't really burners just, SF-folk who wanna do drugs and "party" would buy rvs and stuff
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160912/#761 << yeah well tell you what, when i go to http://trilema.com/2016/lxs-ninxs/ i ALSO don't go to eat cooked rats and live with nine other people in a bathroom. i go to enjoy the cheap local cunt while preserving my luxurious lifestyle.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-12: [18:07:19] <phf> i think the goal really is to read paino forte from capacitance. at fortississimo keyboard should start injecting random "fuck" and "motherfucker" into stream as you type
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-12: [16:59:58] <asciilifeform> dunno about you BingoBoingo but i'm lookin' forward to the sovgeriatric era of usa
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in case this wasn't obvious from the comment, the 'lighthouse' scheme is a variant of 'd-c', rather than 'sh', but with some of the advantages of the latter.
ben_vulpes: yeah i mean if you buy that i've got a ticket to this other desert festival to sell ya
thestringpuller: full thing: "In order to preserve the spirit of gifting, our community seeks to create social environments that are unmediated by commercial sponsorships, transactions, or advertising. We stand ready to protect our culture from such exploitation. We resist the substitution of consumption for participatory experience."
phf: asciilifeform: the california weirdo concept from which "burning man" sprung up.
thestringpuller: phf: Decommodification In order to preserve the spirit of gifting, our community seeks to create social environments that are unmediated by commercial sponsorships
phf: thestringpuller: burning man is not a TAZ, so i've no idea what you're talking about
thestringpuller: phf: well when you commodify the experience it goes against the spirit of the thing.
phf: asciilifeform: sort of nobody cares if you're reach, but there's already been tension between people who are roughing it and people who are doing it in comfort.
phf: asciilifeform: well, i don't know the details of "white ocean" camp in question, but it usually involved souped up rv's, a staff of paid employees to do your cooking for you, often direct flight from wherever to black rock city airport, etc.
thestringpuller: is considered extremely rude to the hippie folk who embrace the spirit and principles of burning man
thestringpuller: and then have basically burning man "Hotel style" which fine, but it was a "closed camp" which
thestringpuller: out of the other 70k people a group of them were probably like "fuck deez guys" went ot their camp and fucked it up
phf: didn't see the raid itself, but yeah much talk was about it on arrival
thestringpuller: phf: Did you see the raid on that camp at burning man? Shit's gotten crazy there. Inhouse fighting.
asciilifeform: it is almost as joyous a thing as the old reed switch keyboards in ru.
asciilifeform: (there are no exposed contacts)
asciilifeform: or rather, high.
asciilifeform: calibrated the sensitivity a little low.
phf: i think the goal really is to read paino forte from capacitance. at fortississimo keyboard should start injecting random "fuck" and "motherfucker" into stream as you type
asciilifeform: there is no place for any kind of switch in that thing.
phf: nah, i'm just going to dremel the thing and replace it with cherry switches
asciilifeform: desolder the old one with copper wick, do NOT simply cut it off !
asciilifeform: it is a bitch to get together.
asciilifeform: there is a spring mechanism.
asciilifeform: push on the round buttons.
asciilifeform: likewise do NOT try to paint the plastic clips that retain the stabilizer wires on long keys. pop'em out by pushing with a blunt pencil from the bottom side. they will happily sit back in later.
asciilifeform: do not try to paint the legs, or the wells they rotate in. i did, and then had to scrape the paint off with a knife, they did not want to turn. the tolerances are quite surprisingly fine.
asciilifeform: i also recommend to sand and repaint the whole thing, with 'appliance epoxy' (get in any american houshold goods shop)
asciilifeform: (and the legs are on round swivels)
asciilifeform: is the bottom made of iron ?
phf: both are 6110xxx, but i'll know for sure once i start poking at them. in either case they were free
asciilifeform: phf: make sure it is not the 100x more common but identically-shaped 'terminal model-m.'
phf: picked them up from a retrohardware person i know. pretty sure i burned some respect points for being "the retrokeyboard faggot"
asciilifeform: (the pc xt model f is iirc unsuitable.)
asciilifeform: phf: the hard part is to actually get a hold of a 'model f'.
phf: i wanted to fix the unicode search in the process, but i'll punt on that for one. it kind of works, but not surprisingly doing boyer-moore correctly with unicode is ugly and suboptimal.
phf: PeterL: not until i fix the algorithm, that was on my backlog but got overtaken with all the stability issues
PeterL: phf is there a way to make search on logs non-case sensitive?
asciilifeform: ^ this crackpottery brought to you by h. altschuller's 'exacerbate the unwanted phenomenon to solve it' heuristic.
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document/#comment-119015 << and yes i know mircea_popescu has auto-ping, but linking here for other folks.
asciilifeform: if you buy cornall's pcb, be aware that the usb jack comes off if you so much as fart on iot.
asciilifeform: macrofab will print the pcb.
asciilifeform: phf: won't work. the capacitative sensing needs ~equal paths.
phf: i was thinking of just doing a mess of wires, but there was that shop floating around in the logs, that would print a pcb for you and put chips on it
asciilifeform: phf: i bought the pcb.
phf: asciilifeform: are you using breadboarded/soldered version, or you ended up printing the pcb too for the keyboard controller?
BingoBoingo: lol, next time I gotta make the "candidates are old" declaration in press will have to wheel that out.
asciilifeform: when they wheel one in, and cart him out 6mo later, rinse, repeat.
asciilifeform: dunno about you BingoBoingo but i'm lookin' forward to the sovgeriatric era of usa
BingoBoingo: At is age and weight the edema has likely already capon-ized his cajones. All that's left of historical Trump the bankruptcy artist is a stimulant habit and sorry for his loss.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that's not an authorized part of the kabuki.
mircea_popescu: yeah imagine that, you'd expect obama'd have upgraded to a recent model sometime in the past 8 years.
shinohai: From tardstalk "News: Due to DDoS attacks, there may be periodic downtime."
asciilifeform: if this is the intended item, ignore.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if either of my trbtrons aren't answering, now or whenever, gimme a ping
asciilifeform: eh i can see a, e.g., michele obama, switcheroo, but not the old fart.
mircea_popescu: "we'll just move the contents later, what."
mircea_popescu: oh and re the "it's not hillary" conspiracy theory : it'd be fucking epic if they actually... switcher her with trump. "you dun wanna vote for clinton ? fine, vote for trump then!"
mircea_popescu: incidentally, what's the current list of public trb nodes ? i have -connect=108.31.170.49 54.187.227.228 46.166.165.30 91.218.246.31 172.86.178.46 50.168.67.12 of which a coupla be answering.
mircea_popescu: i paranthesized mostly for the ... robomorphical interest. SEX! for machines! increases their lifespan, just like for people, but differently.
asciilifeform: recall the 'battery to fly loaf of bread to buenos aires from washington' thread ?
mircea_popescu: (incidentally, the usb-bandwidth drone could in principle be designed with two batteries. it starts using one, then when dead moves to other. and design could allow for drone tango - where they connect, as per ancient thread with alf, to make bigger drone - which could conceivably allow them to swap batteries, in a strange sort of robomating dance)
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Yes, but when going out to landing strip one doesn't deal with shopkeeps. WHich is why you need to have stringtimmers on truck.
asciilifeform: fine for usg. not so great for people who actually count their money.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: $1000 piston engine on 'disposable' machine is idiocy.
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: large amounts of nitro fuel << hobby shops don't seem to care. People go through barrels of the thing during a nerdy weekend with friends on the airfield.
asciilifeform: http://www.airindustriesresearch.com/siram/images/diagram.jpg << can dispense with the flapper also.
thestringpuller: was a joke. the one you sent is a pretty advanced version :P
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-12: [15:46:35] <asciilifeform> and in particular, '...a large bird such as an eagle or kite does not keep in the air mainly by moving its wings. It is generally to be seen soaring, that is to say balanced on a rising column of air. And even soaring becomes more and more difficult with increasing size. Were this not the case eagles might be as large as tigers and as formidable to
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160912/#586 << yes ; main point of wings in pajura is to pilot the downward thrust towards victim.
thestringpuller: The only reason the RC plane-UAV dropoff service became a thing was due to insurmountable traffic.
thestringpuller: You'll see a few muthafuckers with those things on the airfield. I dunno how "reliable" they are tho. Then again, I'm not enough of a pilot to even call myself a hobbyist.
thestringpuller: i guess it's the same physics involved.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: bomber ?
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: But large amounts of nitro fuel can not be excused as "occupational necessity" as 2-cycle gas/oil mix can.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: if the thing is landing cargo of cocaine or plutonium in your back yard, the noise is not 'whatever'
thestringpuller: For one two stroke engine planes are from the fucking 50's. Those are antiques. Most advanced hobbyist used nitro powered planes. They are slightly noisier than RC model, but given how high you can fly them in practice it's kinda whatever. Second, the autonomous part has been around since the arduino became "mainstream" albeit asciilifeform may find it a snore fest the APM unit can fully control an RC plane. If programmed properly it
asciilifeform: ever ~heard~ one of these things go ?
thestringpuller: the ArduPlane project is old af, but requires actual brain to use.
ben_vulpes: "discreen delivery with drones in this manner" is a quadcopter per the guardian link
ben_vulpes: no, not in the slightest wtf.
ben_vulpes: make the recipient fuel 'em back up, what
ben_vulpes: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/22/drone-carrying-drugs-crashes-near-mexican-us-border << why people do this and not fixed wing is a mind-boggle
thestringpuller: i kno. but i've talked with a hobbyist turned "professional" and does discreet delivery with drones in this manner. they've gotten highly advanced.
asciilifeform: and that's just the publicized ones.
thestringpuller: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/22/drone-carrying-drugs-crashes-near-mexican-us-border
asciilifeform: now one interesting scenario is if the flying machine dropped ~itself~ as a bomb, using propellers for course correction on the way down.