asciilifeform: can still sue from the prison when penniless, i wonder?
asciilifeform: 'Those videos led to an investigation by the FAA. Clinton police told News 8 that the video didn’t seem to break any laws. Those videos did get Haughwout kicked out of Central Connecticut State University. He is suing over that.'
asciilifeform: to the nice jury.
asciilifeform: 'Police say 19-year-old Austin Haughwout never broke the law by putting weapons on drones, but he is in handcuffs now, and it’s all because of what police found on his cellphone. “There were images of children in obscene acts found on his phone,” said Sgt. Jeremiah Dunn, spokesman for the Clinton Police Department.'
asciilifeform: phf: perhaps you were thinking of the dude who shot a neighbour's flying snoopcam ~with~ a shotgun ?
phf: incidently before fake-russian did that quadcopter video with guns, there ~was~ a youtube video of a shotgun mounted on a uav, which resulted in the poster being arrested. i can't find it though, was it in logs?
asciilifeform: however a rocket is a considerably simpler device than a recoilless rifle, with the vortex tube, and is the correct solution to 'fire from a floating turd'
asciilifeform: (in the 19th c variant, one side actually fired sand)
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: sure, unless flying machine had 'osprey' like directional boost flexibility and could counter the projectile forces directly
asciilifeform: it must continuously work to stay in the desired orientation.
asciilifeform: one of the reasons there are no man-sized military quadcopters is that the thing has ~0 INTRINSIC stability
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: i have no issue imagining the mechanics and forces at play. it's obvious to me why there's no cannonchopper.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-13 20:17 mircea_popescu: you can just take the next control code free from pete's list and go with it.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-12 15:07 mircea_popescu: seems the cannon fires 400gram projectiles, about 70/s. so it expells 30kgs of material per second ; and it weighs 150 tons.
mircea_popescu: (the joke being, for the physically innocent, that sound is shockwave in gas, and consequently getting gas to move faster than sound is a challenge.)
asciilifeform: btw i was hoping for at least a few 'yer full of shit, how about ___' from folks ~other~ than mircea_popescu also.
mircea_popescu: never mind THE PART
asciilifeform: the part mircea_popescu took issue with was, as i understand, the mapping of 'rng that broadcasts to planet' into 'ip network' (which does not have such a thing as broadcast.)
mircea_popescu: but do it over there and in whole not in part.
mircea_popescu: well so then go for it.
mircea_popescu: possible. the problem there being that the concept itself is like recursivity - poorly understood.
mircea_popescu: large part of spec's job is exactly in the negative. a good spec allows me to construct a complete negative of the item. this is much more important than commonly realised
asciilifeform: the problem is that in order to engineer, you gotta have something left after you rejected.
mircea_popescu: and this is rather what a specification is. doesn;t allow you to produce a human ; but it allows me to reject some of your "human" products as not-human.
asciilifeform: aha. and so it looks like this is a replay of the iq thread - it is quite impossible to specify 'smart', but trivial to specify stupid; impossible - good fuck, easy to describe a useless one; the list of horrible food is easy to make (start with, say, asphalt) but not so of tasties; etc
mircea_popescu: those two decimals, 4 significant digits, are actually accurate over the fucking population. variations are rare and slight.
mircea_popescu: yes, but that's an anthropological measure, of the ilk of "femur length in humans is 26.75% of height"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i notice you got an 'appreciably seal' in there. looks like we'll be needing the instrumented standard cock, and a figure in newton-metres ?
asciilifeform: aha, he ends up most-fucked bloke on the planet.
asciilifeform: robert sheckley even had a hilarious story about a dude who gets conscripted to be the 'standard average fuck'.
asciilifeform: see, if you say 'fuck so strong that it leaves me unable to get up' then you did not actually specify anything, but merely offered the use of your head as a physical test standard,like that kilogram weight in france.
mircea_popescu: intercourse lasting above ten minutes with female capable of orgasm on command with pelvis sufficiently toned to appreciably seal on who is serious about and dedicated to the task of pleasing the cock.
mircea_popescu: i said "i can specify X" not "X is the spec for X"
mircea_popescu: no, it's the title of a spec.
mircea_popescu: the part where you can spec things that don't actually fit in head. for instance, i can specify "a good fuck", or "an acceptably behaved slut" or "a boring housewife"
mircea_popescu: i can say "the population of argentina has a total sum IQ of 170 over ~40mn people" ; this may be so or not, whatever ; interpreted by the reader. you can ask "o yeah, if you can build things then how would you go about building folded hypercube ?". to which i won't answer. for the reason. are they both caricatures ? maybe so. does that do anything ?
mircea_popescu: depends how you define better. but it stands in a way the question does not.
asciilifeform: or is it somewhere written that mircea_popescu gets to bring in these cartoons and nobody else does.
asciilifeform: and the 'mathgeniusboy' with his udders is not a same caricature ?
mircea_popescu: no, but because the question is based on a presumption that doesn't hold in practice.
asciilifeform: 'i won't answer because there is not an answer that doesn't rupture my argument' lolk.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-13: [17:51:53] <asciilifeform> the reason why we ~have~ spec-by-program is because it is the only actual alternative to fits-in-head.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160913/#420 << no, it's a "workable" alternative to go to fucking school and learn to think. which means languages, not math. "but mp, i'm a slut, i have big udders, why should I" oops i was reading from the wrong sheet, i mean "but mp, i'm a mathgeniusboy, why should i" blabla.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-13: [17:46:58] <trinque> llvm will never actually implement c/c++ as currently "specified" by the existence of gcc
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160913/#413 << doh. hence the "wars" (raging mostly in rms' mind)
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160913/#396 << if you don't do it one way, it'll have to be done the other way. either way - it'll be the other way from the other way. what can you do.
asciilifeform: the other fundamental aspect, other than 'nothing-to-allcomers' is that synchronous comms over lossy media (e.g. radio) do not work well. the thing that works well is 'i'll pour a bucket of luby in your direction, and you - in mine.'
mircea_popescu: i generally think everyone stands by their assertions until they say otherwise anyway
asciilifeform: i.e. if A has to ~ask~ B something and wait for a reply every time they communicate, it violates nothing-to-allcomers.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it ~would~ be a considerably easier job if you answered the q, which is, do you want a description of the thing on all possible physical carriers (radio, pigeon, ip, telex, ...) or just particulars. and if so, which.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-13: [17:16:41] <ben_vulpes> http://discuss.ardupilot.org/t/ardupilot-and-dronecode/11295 << "Due to their overwhelming desire to be able to make a proprietary autopilot stack the Platinum members staged what can only be called a coup. They removed all top level open source projects from DroneCode, leaving only their own nominees in the Technical Steering Committee."
mircea_popescu: you can just take the next control code free from pete's list and go with it.
mircea_popescu: separately, if you want to register a bot you can have autovoice for it ; but in general it's a good idea to sort out the part where it voices itself as we're headed that way ; the autovoice thing is a stopgap and temporary.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-13: [17:01:55] <PeterL> what is the procedure for gettiing a bot voiced? I rewrote scoopbot to get titles of links, do I need to get it talking to deedbot/gpg decrypting things too?
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160913/#344 << to limit noise the idea is that whoever puts a link in is responsible to provide context for it ; rather than rely on automatic bot function. bots are to read their own www logs when referenced and that's it.
mircea_popescu: i suppose effort to bridge the gap has been made, perhaps most notably the "literate code" thing, but still. spec is not code ; code is not spec.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-13: [16:49:30] <asciilifeform> the impracticality of 'code as specification' is wholly from the nonexistence of sane programming systems
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160913/#342 << no, actually, they're fundamentally different items.
phf`: another exciting way in which logging can fail. bot sitting on one split server, znc sitting on another split server
mircea_popescu: heh check out the netsplits
phf`: fancy, like we're in the future or something
jhvh1: trinque: We did not notice the loss of fighter
Framedragger: (in truth, can't compare to *actually great* moving long shots etc, not in the same league at all, admittedly)
asciilifeform: and not mine, but the language's.
asciilifeform: it is the domain of things everyone who has direct contact with the battlefield is expected to understand.
trinque: sounds a bit like the "do you even" thing.
asciilifeform: how do we say http://lurkmore.to/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B8_%D0%BC%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D1%8C in ro ? or for that matter eng.? or any of the languages mircea_popescu knows.
trinque: spb (~stephen@freenode/staff/spb): [Global notice] We've put a cloth over the self-destruct button so that nobody pushes it again. << ahahaha
Framedragger: ..and now the relevant stuff is in searchable logs! YOU'RE WELCOME no but, sorry for spam
Framedragger: ftr, the relevant capabilities in linux seem to be CAP_NET_RAW and CAP_NET_BIND_SERVICE
Framedragger: imho one should not start prototyping gossipd on tcp due to the whole stateful nature of tcp. it would make things *appear* to be so much easier - implicit packet ordering and stream control, etc. - and when things eventually need changed it's gonna suck00r bigtime
asciilifeform: and that (b) means either being retarded (services built on tcp, such as www and irc) or some variation on udp.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: i'm not yet entirely certain if mircea_popescu understands that the choices on the table are strictly a) use radio b) use ip c) lay own oceanic fiber.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: right. which is not a super strange thing to require anyway imho; this may be required when IP is dissected for gossipd purposes, anyway. (sure, ideally the whole thing should be (eventually) ditched.
shinohai: i know mine usually is the first to barf :D
shinohai: i win the most reliable bot award
trinque: freenode adding its 2 bitcents to the gossipd discussion.
asciilifeform: the only computer program that qualifies to be thought of as an ideal object is one which fitsinhead.
asciilifeform: the fundamental mistake of 'spec by gcc' is to consider a large computer program as an ideal object.
asciilifeform: just as folks allergic to cat often do not know that they are in fact allergic to a certain parasitic mite that lives in the animal's fur.
asciilifeform: this is why i suspect that folks such as mircea_popescu are not allergic to the idea of a program specifying a concept, but of a concept that CAN ONLY BE specified by THIS HERE PROGRAM
asciilifeform: a specification can exist as a real object (which is very painful, consider the standard kilogram block, or trb) or an ideal object.
asciilifeform: the reason why we ~have~ spec-by-program is because it is the only actual alternative to fits-in-head.
asciilifeform: it will die with the last programmer.
trinque: llvm will never actually implement c/c++ as currently "specified" by the existence of gcc
asciilifeform: well, they gotta hash and shit with ~something~, eh
ben_vulpes: so then "no"
ben_vulpes: all of the block explorers!
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: well where is it then ?
ben_vulpes: aight well in light of how they come in blocks in little-endian format i propose they also get rendered that way wtf
thestringpuller: simon says get the fuck up - pharoah monch
a111: Logged on 2016-09-13 08:55 ben_vulpes: is there any particular reason why everyone renders block hashes in big-endian format?
asciilifeform: these are to go away. not be propped up.
asciilifeform: ( you do not, in point of fact, even need a digital computer; there were ODE solvers before the computer, and before the transistor. )
asciilifeform: if we make one, it will be from 0, and not from them.
asciilifeform: at this point i have ~0 interest in heathen flying machine controllers.
asciilifeform: i did not even bother to look, ben_vulpes
ben_vulpes: me neither, but makes grand claims!!1
asciilifeform: i'd say yes. but ask mircea_popescu when he wakes up, iirc he doesn't even like the idea of a scoopbot
a111: Logged on 2016-09-13 17:26 asciilifeform: PeterL: in order to work correctly, this bot would have to know about every other bot, neh ?
asciilifeform: otherwise it risks shitting out 'scoops' when scriba, a111, et al shit links.
asciilifeform: PeterL: in order to work correctly, this bot would have to know about every other bot, neh ?
scoopbot: AdaPilot - The Open Source Ada-ARM Autopilot Project
ben_vulpes: http://discuss.ardupilot.org/t/ardupilot-and-dronecode/11295 << "Due to their overwhelming desire to be able to make a proprietary autopilot stack the Platinum members staged what can only be called a coup. They removed all top level open source projects from DroneCode, leaving only their own nominees in the Technical Steering Committee."
PeterL: what is the procedure for gettiing a bot voiced? I rewrote scoopbot to get titles of links, do I need to get it talking to deedbot/gpg decrypting things too?
asciilifeform: rather than from same impracticality as 'the 10-34 thread is this here screw in washington'
asciilifeform: the impracticality of 'code as specification' is wholly from the nonexistence of sane programming systems
mircea_popescu: this idea of "code is specification" is on about the same level of intellectual sophistication as "definition by example". ie, something morons with schoolhouse jobs do.
asciilifeform: (if it were an adequate and total description, it would BE the proggy)
asciilifeform: well yes, niven (and iirc it was niven, otherwise unremarkable hack) did not pull the idea out of his arse ex nihilo.
mircea_popescu: technology breeds differentiation. pretty sure this is a stable node ; so they'll exist alright.
asciilifeform: there was iirc at least 1 american writer dude whose alien invaders had nonsentient, entirely cow-like females
asciilifeform: people in the sense of continuity with the present whoever. vs 'giant cockroaches that replace us' or similar.
mircea_popescu: "I'm a 23 year old female who believes in all things kinky. I have major breeding fantasies, and have had multiple children already, all whom I have given up for adoption. I'm helping the world and being a slut all at the same time." << deeze internets.
mircea_popescu: these two are only confused in the mind of the derpy englisher trying to flatter britannia.
mircea_popescu: depends. do you mean "people" in the sense of monogamy-beer-and-watching-sports, "what my daddy told me" etc ? or do you mean people in the sense of, whoever is on the land is the people ?
mircea_popescu: when you're discussing the earth you're discussing geological time. nobody cares about people.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nature is very stable. recall all the inept drama about how "chernobyl is permadestroyed" ? people like to flatter themselves.
mircea_popescu: then piling up two millenia of advances you get almost 1, about .8 pre-industrialization ; and our current ~8 post, via railroad, refrigeration, sanitation, etc.
asciilifeform: well this is the usual picture, but it presupposes intact systems.
mircea_popescu: riding cattle herders, like the cowboys, or Gingis Khan's men) about 0.04 or so ; and ancient world agriculturalists can get as high as 0.2 people per square kilometer.
mircea_popescu: anyway - the great agricultural jump between 2k and 1k bc almost doubled world population (from about 60-70 to about 110-120 mn) ; before that, the great move from subsistence hunter/gathering to pastoral lifestyle cca 7k/5k tripled it, from about 7ish to about 20ish. the earth was throughout the same 500mn sq km ; and so you can say that truly primitive men will live about 0.01 to the sq km ; mongoloids (ie, you know, horse
mircea_popescu: us and argentina have a lot more in common than the usian would like to think ; certainly much closer to argentina than to europe.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'their' industry, as i understand, is in shanghai.
asciilifeform: quite possibly they will fall back to '100k cellar dwellers in stalingrad'
mircea_popescu: there is no / was never any industry here.
asciilifeform: i meant the q of 'how many can survive on forest rodent and cicada' etc.
mircea_popescu: yeah, but where's grass there's rodents and bugs. people can live off dung, rodents and bugs.
asciilifeform: the necessary ecosystems are ~gone.
mircea_popescu: born tupi ; will die tupi. with the reed skirts and all.
asciilifeform: dunno that this is still there to be reverted to.
mircea_popescu: think, re the "rediscover sickle and work", that sickle is a necessary product of very intensively worked lands in like europe. it's trying to adjust to pressure.
mircea_popescu: i do not know. but gone they are.
asciilifeform: aha! what hole did they fall into ?
asciilifeform: there was a venice, (most serene!111), a genoa, etc
mircea_popescu: which is how and why the us annexed florida.
mircea_popescu: nah. listen, the way these "spanish dominions" worked was that the spanish kind simple claimed the land. there wasn't a 1 spanyard per billion acres.
asciilifeform: where did the smart italians go ?
mircea_popescu: but argentina is mostly built out of the italians that couldn't find us army tit to suck in europe. ie, the rejects of rejects, it's dubious italians are people at all.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the spanyards from spain were people.
mircea_popescu: and it's an insult to communism to call south american communists. they're not communists, they're just dumb and lazy.
asciilifeform: the spaniards were people.
mircea_popescu: these weren't ever people.
asciilifeform: there is never an ~all~ monkeys starving - some remain, rediscover sickle, and work.,
mircea_popescu: they're already starving ; 0 willingness to do anything about it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah. these monkeys will just starve.
mircea_popescu: (for the innocent : the sickle is the pinnacle of agricultural slavery. it requires one to literally walk bent over and using arms for 10-12 hours. only miner has harder time.)
asciilifeform: the hammer, if you will, is absent, south amer. is approx. 'sickle-only' place.
mircea_popescu: and industrialize in particular manner - "we'll cull the peasantry and build towns"
asciilifeform: this cult was a thing quite particular to the time and place - folks who are not making motions to industrialize etc. are not at risk.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, i suspect this is the whole recipe of south amercan socialism : "we're just as much a bunch of idiot subhuman iron age farmers ; unlike lenin we won't fuck with proletkult"
mircea_popescu: and whatever, they had some maybe-promising beginnings in modernist art ; but the narrowminded soviet derps (lenin & gf front and center) fucked it up.
asciilifeform: 'in the great birdlessness, my arse is a nightingale.'
mircea_popescu: not really. just in comparative terms. you know, like the sow looks good next to the goat.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'the cow barn looked great after the mansion next door was burned down by drunken sons of old man rockefeller'
mircea_popescu: by the 70s it was already hopeless.
mircea_popescu: eh, the soviets looked good in the 50s/60s only, and strictly because the old austro-hungarian empire was ground to dust by hovitzer fire, literally, and france/low countries etc had been bombed pretty badly. so west europe starved which it hadn't done for 3 centuries while russia starved which it had done each other decade.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ftr, i'm still torn on the unauthenticated lighthouse thing. enemy can still make headaches for folks by silently mutating suspected lighthouse datagrams in transit.
asciilifeform: k into that voting booth and out of spite pull the trigger for Trump. '
asciilifeform: 'One thing I've observed which is interesting which is that a lot of people will not admit that they're going to vote for Trump but you see it in their eyes. ... they're just keeping mum about it because their own family members will turn on them if they announced the fact that they're about to vote for Trump. There's going to be a huge number of men, specifically, angry ones who keep their anger hidden most of the time, who will wal
asciilifeform: in other orlols, 'In terms of where the Soviet Union stood beside the United States for instance, in the '70s during the oil embargo and all of the troubles that the US was going through, the economic troubles at the time, the Soviet Union was looking pretty good. In fact, that's when we left the Soviet Union thinking we were going to this dreamy place. We got there and it's a dump. It was just an unbelievably sad sight.'
mircea_popescu: as the police joke goes, "every victim describes the assailant's gun the same way : it was big"
asciilifeform: ( i have been told that a surprising number of robberies involves arms that are obviously, to naked eye, shams. evidently many folks lose their shit and fail to notice... )
mircea_popescu: "i think the machine gun works by stabbing its victims ; but you won't notice because tits."
asciilifeform: (unless they're all seeekrit)
mircea_popescu: that's another thing.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, more like "i don't care about what you think enough to not rob the place ; but god damned i care what you may say about my genitalia"
mircea_popescu: this makes no sense to me. so you've supposedly "given up on society" and everything, right ? why the fuck are you dressed.
asciilifeform: certainly would not abide barrel in the face as pictured, etc.
mircea_popescu: pretty sure a) those neurotic ceramic salesgirls don't matter-of-factly expose their cunt as seen there and b) they've no guns.
mircea_popescu: burning man is for white wanna-bes, the black dudes have different rubspots.
mircea_popescu: the only difference is that one has "a taste for opulence" and dings your imported german car.
asciilifeform: the penguins, in antarctica.
mircea_popescu: take the following poll : if you were given the choice of living permanently with 1 of : rodger elliot ; trayvon whatever, which'd you pick ?
asciilifeform: also the 'thief isn't asking anything' model is quite a bit off. the 'dindus' of bmore are as actively managed and externally fed as the animals in any other zoo. no less so than the white suburban folk. neither sows, nor reaps, etc.
asciilifeform: but it does fear the thief. at the very least, as a class. rulers who interfere with a mass plunder in progress tend to develop 'problems'.
mircea_popescu: it's very much self-flattery of the monogamy-beer-and-watching-sports trabajador, that the usg somehow fears him / cares.
asciilifeform: by justifying the existence of the 'catch and release' system of police, judge, jail, etc.
mircea_popescu: natural preference for the "quiet" child ; they're all usg's children, cuz modern democracy much like ancient tyranny is definitionally inclusive.
asciilifeform: recall the copper thread.
asciilifeform: and lafond is basically correct, in any confrontation between honest men and thieves, usg takes the side of the thief.
BingoBoingo: lol, yes. Weld the wear item!!!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform all kids are born in shit. as the gypsy wife said to her husband, "do we wash it or do we make another"
BingoBoingo: In other news the Bureau adds. "Lastly, you could consider modifying your vehicle with a vehicle security system or secure the catalytic converter to the vehicle frame with additional welding."
mircea_popescu: anyway, he actually almost-says the wot word.
asciilifeform: 'I will not lie to honorable men, but am committed to lying to women, because they cannot handle the truth and cannot be trusted with it in the face of your enemies.' << this ?
mircea_popescu: of course, now i don't like his idiotic position on women, but this is now on the exact opposite side of before.
BingoBoingo: Beyond that he's rather moral flexible
BingoBoingo: To the extent honor code exists in my reading of lafond, the lynchpin is Lafond won't give up his wallet to muggers and the people who do have deep failings in their attunement to reality.
mircea_popescu: what i'd be more interested in is, if BingoBoingo can explicit the "honor code" symbol as used by lafond, seeing how i read much less than him from the man.
mircea_popescu: i sure as fuck am not about to go watch di maggio pitch with him ; nor drink the beer-flavoured-sprite he guzzles. and i'll fuck his woman, without any concern for him ; while he can't fuck mine, because she won't put up with his dumb head. life is so unfair.
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: It's your personal blog, you can run anything.
asciilifeform: his thought process, as i gather, was roughly 'there were picketfences. and working men Got Things. and petrol was twopence/gallon. and then the weevils came. and the zombies came. if we could be rid of the zombies, of the weevils...'
mircea_popescu: da fuck i care that he feels equal to the plumber down the street and the banker two streets down and in the legobox that plays the role of his thinker they're "all the same" plastic figurines.
mircea_popescu: anyway. dude's "moral code" is a vaguely digested version of picket fences, whereby "hardworking man" "should" "get things" "just like all the others". it's a strand of labour thinking from the 1800s that was born out of a very strange, but temporary and self-limiting situation, and otherwise has no place in the world.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform pretty sure they were, many parts in transylvania wolf was only coming back cca 1980s
thestringpuller: !~later tell BingoBoingo none of the articles on my draft table seem compelling enough yet to publish. call me one of those tortured artists.
mircea_popescu: and i'll tell you : he takes issue with, eg, the latin "child goes after his mother", apparently this is "an excuse of deadbeat dads".
asciilifeform: relatedly, i've always wondered if the thing re wolf population post-ww2 were factual.
mircea_popescu: heh. mno. he fails to say "wolf does the right thing - farmer is a fucking idiot for not shooting it. law ? what fucking law."
asciilifeform: i thought it was with the farmer.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you might have noticed that in a dispute between wolf and cow the fellow sides wiht... the cow ?
asciilifeform: in other other noose, http://blog.trendmicro.com/trendlabs-security-intelligence/pokemon-themed-umbreon-linux-rootkit-hits-x86-arm-systems << run MOAR dynamic linking !11
asciilifeform: in other lulz, https://archive.is/8Sb0n : 'Paramount Pictures recently sent a DMCA takedown to Google, listing a copy of the popular operating system Ubuntu.'
asciilifeform: and i have reason to suspect that mpb is catastrophically defective and fails to pass tx to trb (which, recall, is a reference, one does not get to say that it is broken in vs the unpublished mpb) under certain circumstances.
asciilifeform: half the time i do not even know if he is speaking of a trb -- or mpb! node.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-13 08:19 mircea_popescu: grated, the notion this thing would actually allocate that much, considering what it actually does, is pretty shocking.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-13#1540902 << if mircea_popescu built a rotor, he has same STATIC musltronic binary as other people with his patchset. which includes malloc etc.
asciilifeform: at any rate, aside from the 300byte/block index, the rest of the load depends on mempool , and in particular mempool fragging.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-13: [03:12:59] <ben_vulpes> i've been running this one for 9 days straight (previous box would OOM-kill the process every 2 days or so), and it's currently holding 3846M RES
a111: Logged on 2016-09-13 08:14 mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160913/#28 < no trb node of mine ever allocated 4gb ram. there's something weird there.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-13#1540898 << mircea_popescu never used, afaik, the verstring patch, his heathen traffic is small , as prb ignores his nodes. which is one possible reason behind his sometimes isolation on the path to miners. not all - but many - paths lead through prb heathendom.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-13 08:11 mircea_popescu: trinque asciilifeform & everyone : without detracting from the more important gossipd spec work, im thinking of making a bot spec. it'd require bots to answer in pm to help, help json and help sexpr. comments/ideas ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-13#1540909 << mircea_popescu is a wolf in the forest..?
mircea_popescu: and for the amateur gynecologist class, http://67.media.tumblr.com/e596abe4184992a80292bcb920b39f48/tumblr_nq2t6eDNk91upfzuro1_500.gif
shinohai: I back bc up to pogo then restart it
ben_vulpes: is there any particular reason why everyone renders block hashes in big-endian format?
mircea_popescu: grated, the notion this thing would actually allocate that much, considering what it actually does, is pretty shocking.
mircea_popescu: (yes it adds ~200 bytes per block due to index, but 1 gb is you know, five million of these.)
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: "weird" might be connected to the net at large and hearing all sorts of strange
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-13: [03:12:59] <ben_vulpes> i've been running this one for 9 days straight (previous box would OOM-kill the process every 2 days or so), and it's currently holding 3846M RES
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160913/#28 < no trb node of mine ever allocated 4gb ram. there's something weird there.
mircea_popescu: trinque asciilifeform & everyone : without detracting from the more important gossipd spec work, im thinking of making a bot spec. it'd require bots to answer in pm to help, help json and help sexpr. comments/ideas ?