asciilifeform: (i had nfi re the 'must make dir' thing)
asciilifeform: mod6: laugh, but yes, the thing melted in my hands
mod6: it is actually difficult for individuals who are new to this, to figure out the entire thing. and concepts.
asciilifeform: well trinque is no n00b but his (very useful!) pieces pre-suppose the init thing
mircea_popescu: very useful for entryway as it is. the monk is welcome to purify his learning after.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-15 01:21 mod6: asciilifeform: anyway, don't mean to sound like a d. i think, lol, that I've come to the conclusion that I might have to make a special 'alf' version that is stripped down of all functionality that does any automatic fetching of source or seals.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-15#1542102 << this would not be a good use of anyone's time, i have my own vtron << ok then. no.
phf: i think mod6's v is trying to solve bootstrapping problem, by pretending like it's not one. you have to have v tools, and you also have to have your ~/wot. those are created organically, at which point picking up a tar.gz of vpatches or picking them manually is a nobrainer. but if you're a trb newb, you want all three at the same time, which seems like a subversion of v design. why not just have a v starter kit? you unpack it, you have
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 and then everyone will build on the later version, leaving alf version stranded. << indeed. fair enough
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: AHA, linked for the obvs reason that cowsie nurses are creating their own "watermelon field" future!
mircea_popescu: "i have this here certificate ; i expect salary ; what do you mean there's work to do ? ewww!"
asciilifeform: my point was that the init thing is a set of reins on airplane.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-15 01:21 mod6: asciilifeform: anyway, don't mean to sound like a d. i think, lol, that I've come to the conclusion that I might have to make a special 'alf' version that is stripped down of all functionality that does any automatic fetching of source or seals.
mircea_popescu: they should be merged.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-15 02:20 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why are you holding two separate projects in the same one dir ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-15#1542133 << they were trinque's logbot and the base lib it was built on.
mircea_popescu: let the guy maintain his own flavour, what.
mircea_popescu: mod6 and then everyone will build on the later version, leaving alf version stranded.
mircea_popescu: from the spammer's almanac : "For more information about traveling, go to http:travel"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why are you holding two separate projects in the same one dir ?
phf: i just reinstalled everything, so no rss reader at the moment. missed recent qntra
mod6: ok cool, it did msg me the help string.
shinohai: the V is good for me
BingoBoingo: http://gomerblog.com/2016/05/physical-exam-nervous-system/ << The important part of using a V is the same as in Lumbar puncture. You need to have a running start and have collected the bits to be Vitirfied into an executable
mod6: (and you and anyone who wants to would just use the genesis or something of that sort)
mod6: perhaps, this would even be the first genesis version. and then maybe an immediate subsequent vpatch to reintroduce said functions for those who may want them. or not.
mod6: asciilifeform: anyway, don't mean to sound like a d. i think, lol, that I've come to the conclusion that I might have to make a special 'alf' version that is stripped down of all functionality that does any automatic fetching of source or seals.
asciilifeform found a lul re much earlier thread; Doc Ophthalmol. 1992;81(1):133-44. 'The penalty of blinding during Byzantine times. Medical remarks.'
mod6: asciilifeform: and lol, the point is well beyond taken that you don't approve of the 'init' function.
mod6: yes, intentional, if you're gonna be doing two different projects in a dir, they need to have different vpatch directories.
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !~later tell mod6 i sat down to play with trinque's bots for kicks, and with your vtron, and noticed that the latter does not like to be 'init'-ed twice for 2 separate projects in one local dir. is this intentional ? and i still have problem grasping why we have the 'init' thing...
pete_dushenski: which is itself a theft of 'brezhnev's guitar' in riga.
trinque: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b2/Calatrava_Puente_del_Alamillo_Seville.jpg << from the genius that brought you this
mircea_popescu: "This is how hunger begins: the morning you wake, feeling lively, then begins the weakness, then begins the boredom. Then comes the loss of the power of quick reason, then comes the calmness. And then begins the horror."
phf: log. so at some point we were in "log according to btcbase" situation. with the recent move to multiple bots and more importantly multiple logs, we now have "log according to ..." model, which we can still though attempt to reconcile. once we move to gossip there can't even be a talk of single log. it's always "log according to whoever heard and relayed it" by design.
phf: asciilifeform: we started with a single canonical log though, where kako's testimony was implicitly the word of tmsr. there was some anathem/"A Canticle for Leibowitz" jokes about it, the log files were deeded, etc. while working on btcbase i realized that there can be no canonical log without arbitration, i.e. because of netsplits, lost messages, out of order, clock skews you need a single authority to decide what ultimately goes into
mod6: Having pretty good luck testing the new makefiles vpatch.
mod6: Well. Unless the line(s) referenced are say, more than a few days old, then for obvious reasons, it's handy.
mod6: I find the quoting via web-logs cumbersome, personally. The only saving grace is when a bot parses the line, the spits out that line, and maybe the next subsequent line so I get some context instead of having to copy the log line referenced and drop it into a browser manually.
phf: in the old definition of log, i.e. illuminated scroll "thus spoke saint alf"
phf: fwiw that approach is gossip-proof, there was a thread in logs, that there's not really such a thing as "log" in gossip model, and the conclusion was that logging will need to be reexamined. inline quoting though remains
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 sure, we'll tell pete_dushenski that it's taken and to move the underline one. << thx!
mod6: <+pete_dushenski> mod6: !% is all yours mate << ok sounds good. will make the needed changes asap.
trinque: whole thing is "the internet can never change and we are helpless"
asciilifeform: 'Recently, some of the major companies that provide the basic infrastructure that makes the Internet work have seen an increase in DDoS attacks against them.' << taking this at face value would mean what ? how does one ddos a backbone router ? or lemme guess, he paints dns as 'essential infrastructure'.
phf: i kind of want to believe that dogen wasn't a bore, nor a stickler, but otherwise their goals are unrelated to each other.
asciilifeform: 'Someone Is Learning How to Take Down the Internet' (schneier).
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/QOid3 << in other noose, apparently our old 'friend' is still in business
mircea_popescu: i knew these ~by heart as a kid.
mircea_popescu: then hidden behind militsyan...
mircea_popescu: oh incidentally, anyone recall who wrote that short text about the guy that sleeps and dreams that he is hidden behind a bush and by them goes a militsyan
phf: there's a series of russian koan parodies from the 90s internet called "dao-kakao" which among other things made fun of chinese names like that
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform we're going by "A Study on the Liminal Space of Jeju Traditional Housing by MunjonPonpuri" -Kim Hyoung-Jun.
asciilifeform: phf: one day i would like to learn what i might have missed by setting the bozo bit on everything these people so much as sneezed on.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but did not bother to mention subj because the only source i could find in english was pediwik
mircea_popescu: and in other convenient coincidences, as per 문전본풀이 the goddess of kitchen and the goddess of outhouse had an argument, therefore koreans may not take things from kitchen to toilet or vice-versa.
phf: and majority of azn/indian translations came from theosophists
phf: madam blavatski and her followers did a lot of damage for years to come. it was literally in her writing that original meaning doesn't matter, as long as the translation sounds cool (there's a rationalization for why that somehow supposed to make sense)
phf: "theosopy"
mircea_popescu: phf i'm pretty much null on azn languages myself, and so there's always this exact problem, "oh, idiot brit made up all this shit"
phf: mircea_popescu: i read nishijima translation, and the guy went out of his way to make it unreadable, but as precise as he could render. i can read japanese grammar, and nishijima's version comes with a lot of kanji annotations. i've checked some of his claims, and they check out as far as it goes.
asciilifeform: but folks who realize that they do not belong on the pig at all, do not become famous.
asciilifeform: phf: one of the reasons why this is so difficult to teach is that there are no heroes in it. even someone like deryagin, who was respected for renouncing his polywater thing and sinking own career, was really a case of 'ok i set this fire, and put it out'. but there are no heroes in 'ok i have no great invention, won't even bother saying to anyone, and will happily die in obscurity fixing shoes'
phf: further obscurantism comes from people who don't see clearly, but in a markov chain thinking relay what they heard before "of course that's how it is, i heard it from joe, and it was tired then, what dogen is actually saying is this flowery shit i pulled out of my ass"
phf: there are some interviews with feynman where he's trying to explain how doing science is a constant game of catching yourself lying to yourself long before it becomes a question of "scientific community" etc.. dogen is coming from the opposite direction of learning to see things clearly as a goal, and a lot of his essays are descriptions of what he saw
phf: i think it's impressive how he manages to think his way out of nothingness. his baseline is basically 15 year old monks in training, who need to be taught not to shit on their hands, etc. knowledge transfer consists of dialogues about buddha teachings. it's very much the case of grinding lens by hand to study astrophysics
pete_dushenski: https://68.media.tumblr.com/50113f05cfa68762379a02b437aa2136/tumblr_od5if3vpiU1voyxkjo1_540.jpg << honey, i found the latrine pig.
mircea_popescu: i mean, how's he to know that god damned submarines leave a trace, and certainly follow a path. the waterbirds, wut.
mircea_popescu: but otherwise whatever, it's 1k ad. guy's a notable thinker.
mircea_popescu is vaguely irked by the whole "overthink your communication and only make it if it 'benefits' " as if that's somehow possible.
a111: Logged on 2015-04-18 02:49 trinque: Citizenfive | What I'm saying, if I'm saying *anything*, is that the words don't matter. << I used to think this; lately I consider it an autoimmune disorder caused by lifetime immersion in symbolic shit
asciilifeform: and so asciilifeform does not zen, does not dao, etc. and when he feels like crackpottery would rather read something at least vaguely consistent and interesting like kozyrev.
asciilifeform: (iirc this was in the tolkien thread, where we disagreed, but the basic effect is quite real)
trinque: what, inventing words was forbidden, so they had to grunt and point ?
asciilifeform: eh this is sorta like that effect mircea_popescu wrote about where original is shitburied under megatonne of indistinguishable imitators and does not reward the effort of a dig
pete_dushenski: phf: aha. and now you're inadvertently making me miss those times when i spent evening after cold winter evening in the depths of buddhist and hindu teachings
trinque: I don't see any point for the whimsical obfuscation
trinque has the gateless gate, read it a couple times
phf: pete_dushenski: there's a lot of vague, mystical takes on dogen, but i think that most of the time he makes very straightforward points, like in the wild fox koan, he just says that everything is bound by cause and effect, and if you think you can have a magic talisman against it, you're going to suffer
mircea_popescu: o i guess there is that.
mircea_popescu wonders vaguely what'll happen once one of these karl zigglers (hey, they contribute to sales! everyone else - to costs!) sits still long enough to get to transfinite ordinals in his math textbook.
mircea_popescu: relatedly, i trust everyone's seen the "infinite probability" guy, http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/bogdan-gulie.jpg
mircea_popescu: got to "explained 1 or 2% of the variance", clicked away. jesus christ these shiteaters.
mircea_popescu: "writ large". see alf ? the go "ai" is already taking over "science".
asciilifeform: but i mean another.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the beauty being that with some work, she COULD break free see.
asciilifeform: this is a great story, and if the original wasn't this, it ought to have been!1111
mircea_popescu: so they put her in vase (really, it's made out of porcelain on lead glue, much like stained glass) so she can be flower.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah but i thought the chick is lazy, won't cook or clean.
mircea_popescu: i dunno that they ~have to~ come here though. i mean, not that anything's keeping them, but botmaster's discretion.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the vase in the illustrations (and i found several) is clearly designed to hold all-but-head, and of a hot chick
lobbes: Euporium (jurov and Azelphur) is another bot that lives only in #Eulora. Also to take in consideration
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there appears to be some legend related to 'human pig' that involved a large vase. but i was unable to turn up the details.
mircea_popescu: o hey, the historical reenaction chick looks pretty hot. i dunno they actually had that french style balconette cut till french indochina, but neways
mircea_popescu: mod6 sure, we'll tell pete_dushenski that it's taken and to move the underline one.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-14: [16:22:33] <PeterL> I added archive.is to the list scoopbot ignores, it seemed kinda silly to have it archiving the archiver
mircea_popescu: neverthebutt.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lel, that was in re the outhouse god
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160914/#373 << check it out, azns understand fucking. just yesterday i say "let's fuck" and the girl puts her palms on the floor, i'm like, no, let's pretend we're westerners, come to bed.
asciilifeform: phf: their very careers are predicated on a very loose concept of cause and effect.
phf: people who can't clearly visualize a cause and effect graph trying to do science. dogen is laughing at them all the way from 13th century
asciilifeform: where, i suspect, this lily needs no gilding at all, ~everybody already have the trait.
asciilifeform: (should find some fertile commercial ground in the great rice kingdoms.)
pete_dushenski: https://digest.bps.org.uk/2016/09/12/its-now-possible-in-theory-to-predict-life-success-from-a-genetic-test-at-birth/ << still clinging to the notion that 'you can be anything you want to be if you just want it bad enough' and other such equalitarianisms ? (pseudo)science says : stuff it, hoser.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: i guess there's always that. looks like a full list of the codes is here, which is now on the directory as well : http://archive.is/iWEm2#selection-967.0-967.670
PeterL: I added archive.is to the list scoopbot ignores, it seemed kinda silly to have it archiving the archiver
pete_dushenski: in other lulz, jhvh1 prefers slovenian over slovakian (both have 'sl' two-letter translation code). also belarusian > bengali.
Framedragger: [ ah. regarding link archiving - for anyone looking to do it in their bots - as regards archive.is, no need to POST with sekrit IDs etc - just GET http://archive.is/?url=your_url&run=1 ]
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Akaname - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akaname>; Akaname | Yokai.com: <http://yokai.com/akaname/>; Akaname - Monster Girl Encyclopedia Wiki - Wikia: <http://monstergirlencyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Akaname>
asciilifeform: perhaps they are interactive.
asciilifeform: i have a collector that gets MB of these / day.
mircea_popescu: you realise that the gossipd model with markov chains is probably the one source of the singularity
shinohai: Paris Green still killing the remnants around Victorian times.
Framedragger: like that theory about the fall of the roman empire due to lead poisoning due to lead being used *everywhere*
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: whenever I said honey I'll get to wear your hair like another?
mircea_popescu: sort-of like how other roman tech worked,
mircea_popescu: girls add atropine to enlarge their iris, because this is hot. after a while with this, they are blind.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: also how does the belladonna method work? is it different from the byzantine blindatron ?
mircea_popescu: well we don't know anyone can supress gag enough to think ; but otherwise oubliette was on ceiling.
Framedragger: shinohai (or whoever): btw are the recent bashes available somewhere? i ask because i want to use them for a quick something, i.e. a .txt would do
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: oughta link to the previous venus cloacina piece ('the menstruarium') imho.
PeterL: ^ yeah, I read that to be shows ratings nick1 made, I guess it is just the ambiguity of English
a111: Logged on 2016-09-14 15:40 deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/the-human-latrine-pig/ << Trilema - The Human Latrine Pig
mircea_popescu: possibly the most outrageous thing ever to be penned by human hand.
PeterL: omiting the second nick gives rating from the person asking to nick1, not ratings from nick1
pete_dushenski: SINGLE CHARACTER HEATHEN
pete_dushenski: also, tb0t added to bots directory. perhaps mod6 can lemme know if everything appears to be in order there.
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-14#1541569 << answerved. i also banned the youngin' with iptables and now node is back to scarfing blocks.
Framedragger: instead of cleverbot.com there could be mpbot.com where one could consult with synthesized mp dataset (trilema, irc) regarding financial investments and spanking techniques. markov model based on irc queries/replies could help with context awareness. #1bnvcideas
a111: Logged on 2016-09-14 13:50 Framedragger: http://i.imgur.com/2ZGTzLM.png mircea_popescu gently pushing all #trilema people to move to jobs where there is no such thing as nsfw. public service i guess
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-14#1541745 << it's actually part of a larger thing - september, the international month of women discarded as garbage.
asciilifeform: a slightly clever mpbot would be guided by what is actually said to it (grep the from:mircea_popescu lines for words or even fragments of the query and return shannonization of immediately subsequent from: s)
mircea_popescu: considering the average level of anglopshere literacy, i do not think one could distinguish markov from person text - provided of course you generate many lines and only let pass those who satisfy stringent grammar checks.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-14: [13:40:22] <trinque> servers all wearing white and failing to understand each other : poverty = stupidity. never was nor ever will be doing something wrong
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-14: [13:37:03] <asciilifeform> 'German chemicals giant Bayer has confirmed its record-breaking $66bn takeover of GM seeds business Monsanto - a deal that would create the world's biggest seeds and pesticides company.'
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160914/#201 << hey, the WHOLE thing is enough to pay for one month of obama-and-friends-party.
asciilifeform: spec, as usual, 'is willing' while 'the flesh is weak'
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-14: [13:34:05] <Framedragger> asciilifeform: agree re central point of failure; there should be a network of these archivers, too
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160914/#192 << note that the spec doesn't mention a particular one, neither in log or on trilema.
asciilifeform: for some reason these invert in my head
asciilifeform: Framedragger: more interesting is that the entire /8 (and possibly /16) consists of those topos boxes.
Framedragger: BUT i didn't check if it was actually the same AS number
Framedragger: i meant, these keys are from the same autonomous system as the ones just before. AS number 5650, "Frontier Communications of America, Inc."
thestringpuller: they are making some "announcement today" so i think stuff starts taking effect
thestringpuller: fuck the acquisition starts today
asciilifeform: (see the 'birthday' thread)
asciilifeform: they're new.
Framedragger: oblig triggered by burritos mention: the burrito tunnel! http://idlewords.com/2007/04/the_alameda_weehawken_burrito_tunnel.htm
supersechi: You need the public key?
a111: Logged on 2016-09-14 13:50 Framedragger: http://i.imgur.com/2ZGTzLM.png mircea_popescu gently pushing all #trilema people to move to jobs where there is no such thing as nsfw. public service i guess
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-14#1541745 << i highly recommend these, Framedragger . nowadays i almost never leave my pit.
shinohai: meanwhile did you download and install the game already?
Framedragger: http://i.imgur.com/2ZGTzLM.png mircea_popescu gently pushing all #trilema people to move to jobs where there is no such thing as nsfw. public service i guess
shinohai: that horrid thepb.in stuff is likely culprit
supersechi: The public key?
Framedragger: supersechi: upload it to both http://keys.gnupg.net/ and https://sks-keyservers.net/ - they will propagate keys amongst themselves but just in case you don't want to wait
trinque: maybe give it 10min and retry, then
trinque: servers all wearing white and failing to understand each other : poverty = stupidity. never was nor ever will be doing something wrong
asciilifeform: 'German chemicals giant Bayer has confirmed its record-breaking $66bn takeover of GM seeds business Monsanto - a deal that would create the world's biggest seeds and pesticides company.'
Framedragger: asciilifeform: agree re central point of failure; there should be a network of these archivers, too
Framedragger: then gracefully replace users in multiple irc channels with differently trained mptrons
a111: Logged on 2016-09-14 12:49 mircea_popescu: yes yes, i mean if later i'm trying to read the logs, say in 2020, and we're discussing webpage of retard x
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-14#1541639 << not only is this true, but you won't be seeing scientifically accurate nanosecond timing in a konsooomer box at all. the physical clock is not up to it.
asciilifeform: hell knows i fight the temptation to also go every day.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-14 09:51 Framedragger: why is Vexual banned - http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-16#1522329 - why no bard. you know tor irc channels used to have this skruffy character who connected from some small shanty town in deep russia and spoke broken english. thing is, he found and reported on a ton of deeper bugs, i mean like delicate race conditions that don't normally appear and shit. he claimed to have used win98 and complained all the time that tor broke on win98
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-14#1541602 << it is my suspicion that these folks have left the net, and have gone into the woods to perelman and drink to death among the bears and lynx.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-14#1541600 << i can't get past the wtf. i mean, why not give king solomon , or frederick the great, 'the nuke button' just as well !
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: yes yes, i mean if later i'm trying to read the logs, say in 2020, and we're discussing webpage of retard x
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-14: [12:45:20] <mircea_popescu> it has the advantage that if i later search for the link it pops it
Framedragger: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160914/#141 << ah, should the bot cite the archived link if an archived url is mentioned in the channel?
Framedragger: form on archive.is is simple PeterL, just need to get a "sekrit id" to then include it in the POST. also don't assume that all post requests succeed / archive.is gives the same answer, as shinohai noted
a111: Logged on 2016-09-14 11:48 Framedragger: PeterL wrote a url scooper, maybe he wants to do the url post to archive.is part as it'd be very trivial anyway?
Framedragger: "34:7 What man is there that knoweth not how to go about doing arithmetic on polynomials."
Framedragger: these*
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: understand and agree. it's worth to have it be pointed out in the comments if only so that someone doesn't start assuming that the spec implicitly provides guarantees of uniqueness etc. and good to have a picture of the madness and lack of guarantee anyway. but i guess you're right
mircea_popescu: Framedragger thinkl about it though : if they coincide, and they also coincide in the same second, all that happens is that your lighthouse... skips a beat.
mircea_popescu: in other news, apparently it is impossible to establish the calorie value of garbanzo beans. "somewhere between 80 and 150" should be good enough for anyone!!1
Framedragger: some dude got the same values from multiple calls to microtime but that was in php and could have been php caching things, because, php
Framedragger: i don't know. (asciilifeform?) but look, in http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2607263/how-precise-is-the-internal-clock-of-a-modern-pc there are hints of madness and inconsistency. "returns clock count" doesn't seem to be it.
mircea_popescu: but for my own cluing-in : is it possible to write code so that you obtain the same microtime value from two separate calls for it ?
mircea_popescu: perfect. feel free to use whatever archive services you prefer, also. i tend to like archive.is, but it's by no means the only one.
Framedragger: aha. in which case i'll add a thing to scriba and PeterL can do it too and then there'll be some redundancy there, too. sounds good to me
mircea_popescu: multiple/all bots doing this would not cause any problems either.
Framedragger: PeterL wrote a url scooper, maybe he wants to do the url post to archive.is part as it'd be very trivial anyway?
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-14: [00:25:06] <mircea_popescu> shinohai trinque phf Framedragger any of you wanna get the links autoarchive thing going ?
mircea_popescu: and in other spring news : out with the old, in with the new! http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltt6i7fbou1r0j4lio1_1280.jpg
Framedragger: oh and he claimed to be a cat. skruffy the cat, he was. i miss him
Framedragger: why is Vexual banned - http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-16#1522329 - why no bard. you know tor irc channels used to have this skruffy character who connected from some small shanty town in deep russia and spoke broken english. thing is, he found and reported on a ton of deeper bugs, i mean like delicate race conditions that don't normally appear and shit. he claimed to have used win98 and complained all the time that tor broke on win98
trinque: commands-over-gossipd *entirely* replaces the www, and there will eventually be UI for that.
trinque: if one had the arg grammar, he could in later days mash tab on his client and get useful completion
trinque: with smelly things such as html, I tend to avoid making them the canonical representation of an item
trinque: argument grammar is more essentially descriptive of the item than a pile of html
asciilifeform: trinque: imho that's gilding the lily.
mircea_popescu: esp if a specific sexpr format should be included there.
asciilifeform: perhaps it's just the usual rc6'd control packet from ftmeade for the implant in my left arsecheek. etc
asciilifeform: 'Sep 13 xx:xx:xx humanoid kernel: NET: Unregistered protocol family 39' << oh hey hey lbj! turns out somebody is already gossipdating at me from the phyootoor.
mircea_popescu: aaanyway. let's move on to mother-daughter teams. http://66.media.tumblr.com/7e002f7a293eb5810e6f2b8fd66e374c/tumblr_nzoni3ll881ukpp39o1_1280.jpg
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is not clear to me from the photo. but i'll take your word for it.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-14#1541531 << these turn up periodically, and i mentioned it here not so as to encourage folks to play 'whack-a-mole' but to illustrate that bitcoin's socket handling sucks donkey balls
mircea_popescu: dude, they're laying in a wet spot
mircea_popescu: might be the most revolting thing i ever saw.
mircea_popescu: shinohai trinque phf Framedragger any of you wanna get the links autoarchive thing going ?
mircea_popescu: and in other delicious adolescent ineptitude, http://66.media.tumblr.com/8aea18e3369e73df6af65bebe572c11c/tumblr_o496qbibXR1usejhlo1_500.gif
a111: Logged on 2016-09-07 16:29 asciilifeform: in other noose, 70.33.211.11 (yes, 1 box) has been ddosing trb nodes, in particular zoolag.
mircea_popescu: http://66.media.tumblr.com/26ef780a6217be674356a057818ae453/tumblr_o9pxbhtW4L1u5he87o1_500.jpg < as the romanian joke goes, "what's the peak of sexual exhaustion ?" "when you ejaculate powder."
mircea_popescu: which in practical terms means the usg is taxing a further 10% of the whole gdp, on top of whatever it admits to
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-13: [23:02:16] <pete_dushenski> "The U.S. government posted a $107 billion budget deficit in August, a 66 percent increase from the same month last year, the Treasury Department said on Tuesday… The fiscal year-to-date deficit was $621 billion through August, up 17 percent from a $530 billion deficit at the same time last year. " << a hundred $bn a month short… fuckin way to
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160913/#692 << it is worth noting that the deficit as accounted for is just about 10% of the gdp as accounted for, which is to say one's probably understated and the oither probably understated.
phf: actually i'm the only one who did. and adlai
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-13: [22:22:28] <pete_dushenski> frankly, it'd be swell as hell if mp and alf continued this debate in the comments section there - a la gossipd thread model - and then we'd have something to look back on weeks, months, or years from now.
phf: trilema, it was briefly a thing after the switch
a111: Logged on 2016-03-31 01:55 phf: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6q4n5TQnpA via jwz, an old interview with klf after they burned million pounds, for the amusement of #t-a
pete_dushenski: "The U.S. government posted a $107 billion budget deficit in August, a 66 percent increase from the same month last year, the Treasury Department said on Tuesday… The fiscal year-to-date deficit was $621 billion through August, up 17 percent from a $530 billion deficit at the same time last year. " << a hundred $bn a month short… fuckin way to go 'world's largest economy', you ARE detroit.
asciilifeform: (this in re 'The rocket is "named in honor of John Glenn, the first American to orbit Earth," he added.')
asciilifeform: i can't wait for the massive rocket 'new mbwebwebwe', which will be named for the first NIGERIAN to 419 around the earth.
pete_dushenski: it's the "make america great again" that's become "proud member of the basket of deplorables"
pete_dushenski: https://www.amazon.com/Proud-Member-Basket-Deplorables-Tshirt/dp/B01LW5XL29 << "i'm with her" has, perhaps inevitably, become "proud member of the basket of deplorables"
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: there is such a thing as logs
pete_dushenski: frankly, it'd be swell as hell if mp and alf continued this debate in the comments section there - a la gossipd thread model - and then we'd have something to look back on weeks, months, or years from now.
pete_dushenski: reading all the spec chatter in the logs, it's worth linking the mega-thread on the same topic from june (via levitan) : http://www.contravex.com/2016/06/15/a-brief-discourse-on-specification/
a111: Logged on 2016-09-12 20:15 mircea_popescu: that this hasn't deteriorated into an endless battle of injunctions is even more shocking. bejewels, not even the lawyers work in the us anymore ?
asciilifeform: why did they have to cook up a cp trial for him.
asciilifeform: and does anyone find it strange that the dude was not tried for the electrically fired pistol, which is banned as 'convertible to full auto' in usa ?
phf: it is the kind of solution one were to find in yakov perelman books, with a handy back of the napkin classical mechanics calculation explaining how it would work
mircea_popescu: check it out, the pistol on quadcopter thing a lot more workable in practice than in alf's theory ?