asciilifeform: and further re 'pirates'. http://darkliferadio.proboards.com/thread/554/crystal-osc-class-linear-transmitter << anthropologically interesting.
asciilifeform: (this is much harder on modern x86 than on the 8bit micros we grew up with)
asciilifeform: http://lambda-diode.com/electronics/tempest << other well-known experiment with exotic (0 added hardware) transmission, via, e.g., cpu looping
asciilifeform: either this, or boot dos etc., drive card directly.
asciilifeform: though if you are using a traditional os, you will need to fool the card re display's 'ddc' being connected
asciilifeform: but vga is the champ because it does not expect anything ~back~
asciilifeform: gB ethernet has 125Mhz base frequency...
asciilifeform: incidentally, vga is not the only possible illicit arse for radio
a111: Logged on 2016-09-22 17:49 scriba: Logged on 2016-09-22: [14:31:38] <asciilifeform> 1) every old lappy comes with a high-quality DAC fit for shortwave! the vga card.
asciilifeform: btw, re http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-22#1547240 -- oblig. reading -- 1) http://www.erikyyy.de/tempest << the classic ; 2) http://bellard.org/dvbt << modern-day.
BingoBoingo: Most people don't use Yahoo to Yahoo. They use Yahoo to do X thing a yahoo attached tool purported to do.
mircea_popescu: of the same crop who use windows etc.
BingoBoingo in other news in playing with houseplants and working on invading the indoor portions of my spider hole with gardening.
BingoBoingo: Him in our time motherfuckers!
asciilifeform: this is not the first time i had nfi.
asciilifeform: note, i didn't paint wasp-fucking as a sin. simply another hobby, that requires adequate preparation and equipment.
mircea_popescu: and in other stottings, http://66.media.tumblr.com/13ff53844d29ac2e31658c23de5aefcc/tumblr_ng7xhcK7zl1rpr8w3o5_400.gif
mircea_popescu: well, nobody's wasp proof. including the derpy archduke.
asciilifeform: if not - either refrain, or dun complain...
mircea_popescu: i dunno if you've ever heard of the "national sovereignity" thing ; but let me point out it was originally enacted by europeans through the process of deliberately provoking the austrohungarian police.
asciilifeform: ( can anyone find, in the logz, that iconic photo of the fella spinning wasp hive on his cock ? try as i might, it refuses to turn up )
asciilifeform: and i have exactly same sympathy for 'stotters' who deliberately provoke the idiot cop as for those dudes who fuck wasp hives.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-22 18:34 mircea_popescu: so the problem isn't the fact that the police machinery of the rogue state is a criminal entreprise ; and people understandably want to avoid them.
asciilifeform: '...state lawmakers on Thursday heard from local officials in cities like Nashville, which requires homeowners obtain a permit before renting their homes on Airbnb and similar websites. Nashville's regulations also cap short-term rentals at no more than 3 percent of all homes in a given neighborhood—so if 3 percent of your neighbors are listing their homes through a room-sharing service, you won't be allowed to get a permit even if
PeterL: "The seven justices of the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court are appointed by the governor with the approval of the Governor's Council." looks like you are right
mats: the country's about split half and half with elections and appointments
mircea_popescu: but in other bounce, http://67.media.tumblr.com/8c5d6e91bb2cbf449730cea0bcea7d37/tumblr_ngamkcpJ5N1tpox31o1_400.gif
mircea_popescu: how are these idiots so good at self-falsification ?
mircea_popescu: the problem is that the police machinery of the rogue state bestows its blessings particularly on tall women with nice tits, and therefore it's all about ~that~
mircea_popescu: so the problem isn't the fact that the police machinery of the rogue state is a criminal entreprise ; and people understandably want to avoid them.
PeterL: well, black men seem to be targeted most by police, so therefore they have that excuse to run away
mircea_popescu: ahahaha laura parson kicks all ass! "stem syllabi are gendered because they promote the idea that knowledge can be ascertained through reason, which is a masculine concept that hurts women's feelings and makes it difficult for them to succeed."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, this is the sort of determination that only they who were there can make. just as arguably mengele never existed ; wholly creation of jew victimlobby.
mircea_popescu: in no small part the point of even having a republic is that the next snowden does a much better job. and having the occasional noob show up in here to work the bots is part and parcel of this same.
mircea_popescu: so no, there's not much useful anything, sadly.
asciilifeform: either kind
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-22: [17:21:35] <mats> there are lots of folks that still believe snowden didn't act under orders
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160922/#571 << i'm of the same persuasion. nevertheless, snowden pre-greenwald and snowden post-greenwald are very much different animals.
mircea_popescu: to them, this is what's important.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-22: [17:11:17] <phf> what an odd angle, "he lied in order to steal these things", duh, no shit
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160922/#567 << the usg bureaucracy is very much dumb-woman-from-montana as depicted by frances mcdormand in fargo. there's this list of formal sins that's all they comprehend and consequently serve as their only interface wioth the world. "said nigger" "didn't eat veggies" "doesn't recycle" "cheated on spouse" etc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, his brother.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-22: [17:03:40] <shinohai> They have to come here to register keyz, deedbot isn't in #eulora chan
mircea_popescu: " Andrew Sullivan, chair of the Internet Architecture Board, a group that oversees organisations involved in the evolution of the internet" << there's a gavin everywhere!
asciilifeform: and i have a box of 20 here waiting for the first fella who gets interesting result
mircea_popescu: sure. but there's a sweetspot for the wifi, where they're impossible to find from a distance. that same pollution also protects them.
asciilifeform: much less across the street.
mircea_popescu: moreover, at 10 bux an item, if you end up with sqrt (distance) items to cover a distance expressed in 10 meter increments, you're looking at what, 150bucks per km of comms. this is way the fuck cheaper than laying wires ; and works on all terrain etc.
mircea_popescu: on current tech sweet spot seems to be somewhere in the 1 to 10 W ; which is how and why wifi is even a thing ; and which drives the question that wouldn't it be much better to just use wifi instead ?
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-22: [15:31:23] <BingoBoingo> <mircea_popescu> are there any stations even left that do 100kw in soviet us ? << 50kw is the cap and requires "clear channel" Daytime range of such power not too impressive
mircea_popescu: they broke it. 1001 ways.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160922/#520 << the servers prior to 1.0.1g are not vulnerable thing is the paydirt there.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-22: [15:54:05] <trinque> will take pictures of the kit and write it up
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-22: [15:31:23] <BingoBoingo> <mircea_popescu> are there any stations even left that do 100kw in soviet us ? << 50kw is the cap and requires "clear channel" Daytime range of such power not too impressive
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have b00k with his name on the cover, and it is genuinely valuable.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-22: [15:02:23] <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: the noose spreadz!!11 >> http://bioshacking.blogspot.sg/2016/09/down-to-silicon-level-debugging.html
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160922/#449 << "There was at least one mistake I did in my BIOS book that I didn't realize due to my handicap in not having an ICE and its related skills." gimme a break ; that dude read nothing past cereal boxes.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-22: [13:18:17] <a111> Logged on 2015-12-14 02:37 PeterL: so I was playing with the idea of http://trilema.com/2015/the-pgp-w-mode/
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160922/#311 << word. meanwhile this merged in my head with the eliza-for-gossipd thread (re http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-14#1541643 ) ; there should in principle be a way to have the same tool do both things, and therefore probably should do it that way.
asciilifeform: this idea doesn't belong to me, either, it is ancient.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-22: [14:31:38] <asciilifeform> 1) every old lappy comes with a high-quality DAC fit for shortwave! the vga card.
asciilifeform: https://blog.ethereum.org/2016/09/22/ethereum-network-currently-undergoing-dos-attack << in other lelzies
PeterL: http://reason.com/blog/2016/09/22/are-stem-syllabi-gendered-a-feminist-pro << lols. tldr; feminidiot says it is sexist to say there is objective truth
mats: there are lots of folks that still believe snowden didn't act under orders
asciilifeform: the cry of every loser who ever lived.
phf: is this like the cry of every school yard loser, "he wasn't fighting fair"
phf: what an odd angle, "he lied in order to steal these things", duh, no shit
asciilifeform: gerating his resume and stealing the answers to an employment test. In May 2013, Snowden informed his supervisor that he would be out of the office to receive treatment for worsening epilepsy. In reality, he was on his way to Hong Kong with stolen secrets.'
asciilifeform: 'He claimed to have left Army basic training because of broken legs when in fact he washed out because of shin splints. He claimed to have obtained a high school degree equivalent when in fact he never did. He claimed to have worked for the CIA as a "senior advisor," which was a gross exaggeration of his entry-level duties as a computer technician. He also doctored his performance evaluations and obtained new positions at NSA by exag
trinque: I don't see a problem with people coming to the forum to announce their existence as a person.
asciilifeform: ^ 'official 5 minutes of hate' for the вредитель trotsk^H^H^H^H^H^Hsnowden
asciilifeform: in other lulz, https://lawfare.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/staging/2016/hpsci_snowden_review_-_unclass_summary_-_final.pdf >> atrocious usg ocr >>> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/n4l56/?raw=true << for expert entomologists strictly
shinohai: They have to come here to register keyz, deedbot isn't in #eulora chan
asciilifeform: shinohai: i still don't fully grasp why they gotta come here and not #eulora
shinohai: Sometimes I miss them.
shinohai: asciilifeform: when the tardstalk people come in, just have them msg me or something and I'll point them to the guides
asciilifeform: 'Another reason for the key switch is that it is going to increase in size, from 1024 bits up to 2048. As time goes on, and computing power increases, the chance of someone cracking the key, although still low, increases.' << mega-l0l
asciilifeform: '“There is a logical possibility that somebody has cracked it and we don’t know,” Andrew Sullivan, chair of the Internet Architecture Board, a group that oversees organisations involved in the evolution of the internet, told Motherboard in a phone call. He stressed, however, that there is no reason to believe the key has been compromised.'
asciilifeform: ... didn't mircea_popescu have a separate kindergarten for these folks..?
asciilifeform: mats: wouldn't surprise me if at this point even the blinkers had own micro
mats: fella in the field once told me a modern car's center console has 6+ microprocessors, 4+ with radio interfaces (the strictly on-board ones, not counting external stuff like TPMS)
asciilifeform: i had once an ancient toyota that had a debug port, but weird proprietary analogue one, i gathered the docs but the thing fell apart before i got a chance to use.
asciilifeform: 'A malicious client can send an excessively large OCSP Status Request extension. If that client continually requests renegotiation, sending a large OCSP Status Request extension each time, then there will be unbounded memory growth on the server. This will eventually lead to a Denial Of Service attack through memory exhaustion. Servers with a default configuration are vulnerable even if they do not support OCSP. Builds using the "no-
asciilifeform: trinque: and when you feed it the pill, post result...
trinque: will take pictures of the kit and write it up
asciilifeform: trinque: let us know if it comes with the probe.
BingoBoingo: nfi about fandom's value here either, but the people doing things worth esteeming with. Attraction rather than promotion as PR strategy.
BingoBoingo: Right, but the weidos were actually doing something. For that actual field of a dozen there's prolly a fandom of hundreds to thousands because less capable weirdos.
BingoBoingo: Maybe only a dozen people in actual field, but people likely worth having the esteem of.
asciilifeform: and the device is, afaik, ~extinct.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: this isn't any old d00d, either, his b00k is excellent << Hence why very newsworthy. Raises your esteem and that of republic. Harder for a certain sort to ignore than Phuctor.
asciilifeform: if you have enough of'em scattered, their removal becomes uneconomical even for hitler
asciilifeform: yes, it is nice to have 100kW sw that can be reliably heard across the atlantic. but you don't need it to cross land, it is much better to have 1,001 small and disposable unattended boxes.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the point, which i tried and apparently failed to make earlier, is that gigantic radio stations are a largely-unnecessary luxury
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> are there any stations even left that do 100kw in soviet us ? << 50kw is the cap and requires "clear channel" Daytime range of such power not too impressive
PeterL: could relay messages from one gossipd node to another
asciilifeform: the 'signed-packet-relay' concept's entire appeal is that it is more or less jam-proof, and the nodes - disposable
asciilifeform: Framedragger: private key is in the thing lords use to inject packets into the relay net.
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !~later tell trinque http://www.semiconductorstore.com/cart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=48194 <<< aaand another
asciilifeform: shinohai: the amd thing is for aficionados strictly
Framedragger: PeterL: ah, good point. and regarding first packet, i wonder if some very light lighthouse version would make sense, a pre-shared sequence of whitelisted nonces between two given nodes, whatnot. in the beginning, interchangeable over internet. and later, updateable over same radio channel ("here's my payload, and also please add to your whitenoncelist this encrypted sequence of nonces for future channel initiations.")
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !~later tell trinque i found another debuggable amd board, http://www.semiconductorstore.com/cart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=48155
PeterL: hi burnsd03, who are you? name makes me think of burnside, wasn't that the btctc guy?
burnsd03: mircea_popescu could you please make me an account? Just following the quick-start guide :)
asciilifeform: i do not know how to make the house stand up. if you do - post.
asciilifeform: this is what i get for following the advice to 'post things instead of sitting on'em' - sometimes it will be an escherian house.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-22 14:46 asciilifeform: you have a nonce in the packet, and the packet only registers as valid when said nonce is equal to hash of some packet that is in the receiver's current buffer.
PeterL: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-22#1547078 << when message is recieved using nonce, remove nonce from buffer, then that message cannot be replayed because nonce no longer in buffer
asciilifeform: (the comparison with deaf beethoven invites itself)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and i am floored to discover that the man who wrote ~the~ book on subj of bios internals, never had an ICE.
asciilifeform: (even if the ~title~ is terrifyingly cringe-inducing)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this isn't any old d00d, either, his b00k is excellent
asciilifeform: 'Anyway, I was quite surprised to find a "low cost" version of this kind of ICE over at: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1667. Well, I'd like to thank to whoever posted a comment about this ICE in my previous post. It's very interesting nonetheless ;-).'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the noose spreadz!!11 >> http://bioshacking.blogspot.sg/2016/09/down-to-silicon-level-debugging.html
asciilifeform: i.e. how to transmit the first packet.
asciilifeform: the one thing he could do is to stretch out a packet's life, by setting up own relay net
Framedragger: maybe i'm not getting the picture how quickly entries in the buffer can expire, though
Framedragger: same exact packet - he would assume the nonce in packet refers to a packet that is still in the receiver's buffer
Framedragger: asciilifeform: ah, right, i forgot everything's signed, lol. nice! i guess enemy could replay for a (choosably) small window of time, some degree of flooding possible? but this could be minimized and that's the point, right?
shinohai: burnsd03: this is the chan where you register your key
asciilifeform: the only thing he can replay is a VALID packet, while it is valid! which helps you.
asciilifeform: he cannot sign the payload-cum-nonce.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: i wonder, could this not be predicted by the enemy? (value of nonce - say the enemy is aware of the (likely) packets received by the receiving end.) i'm not sure, just trying out all possibilities in the head, because otherwise sounds nice
asciilifeform: this'd have a cost, however, of limiting the number of 'hops' that the thing can propagate along.
asciilifeform: you have a nonce in the packet, and the packet only registers as valid when said nonce is equal to hash of some packet that is in the receiver's current buffer.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: aaaaaaaactually there is a very elegant solution to replay when you have radio net like this
Framedragger: indeed, indeed. and yet incorporating a lighthouse lifts the scheme from pure elegance to additional complexity. but maybe that's not to be avoided, and such is life
asciilifeform: Framedragger: see my lighthouse scheme for the pill against replay ddos.
asciilifeform: and likewise the power of the station can vary depending on who the operator is ( if mircea_popescu , megawatt, if asciilifeform living in amphora on the streets of athens, a watt, etc)
asciilifeform: 2) consider a device of the following scheme. receives luby-coded packets via radio; if packet checksums AND has one of N lordly signatures, it is relayed (transmitted to neighbouring nodes.) otherwise, not.
asciilifeform: 1) every old lappy comes with a high-quality DAC fit for shortwave! the vga card.
asciilifeform: sooooooo mircea_popescu , Framedragger , et al, while we're on 'pirate radio' thread, i'd like to put a few useful items in the record:
PeterL: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/jfzos/?raw=true << saving for posterity. I archived back about a year, if anybody wants to archive farther back than that they can use this.
asciilifeform: in other lulz, http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2016/q3/592 << picture if you went into a restaurant and waiter tells you that the chair-dildo system is broken
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: microscope is of course the 4th method. ought to be included for completeness .
mircea_popescu: either because lazydumb or because afraid someone might microscope/probe the things and find it.
asciilifeform: the intel find (and if you buy the 'bug' excuse, i've a bridge to sellya) was a clue that the bastards never bothered with serious crypto magic for the boobytrap
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform tru, but dollars to donuts they didn't change the magic for each chip.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller ideally you want to do it all in ram and dump to disk 2gb at a time
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's ~dozen subspecies of each, but yes
thestringpuller: "The main cost in the initial synchronization is disk I/O when seeking for transactions in the blockchain. Default cache size (dbcache) is 100MB, and it is too low. I always set it manually depending on the amount of RAM in the system (5GB for dbcache on a 8GB system)." << re: discussions of using SSDs on initial sync.
mircea_popescu: the companion to Framedragger 's exploration to be done at home is evidently - there's only 3 chips, right ? get a realtek, an intel and a broad and fuzz them
mircea_popescu: word ; i was thinking of proposing exactly this but then i got distracted.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: another experiment, in similar vein, is fuzzing (yes) nics right on a desk
a111: Logged on 2016-09-22 12:20 mircea_popescu: you have a reasonably fresh list of respondent boxes, feed them 0x32 at offset 0x47f then poll in 5 and 500 seconds see if they're up.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-22 12:28 mircea_popescu: by now it's a 5 year old thing, if they were gonna do something about it they've had done by now.
Framedragger: need to minimize energy expenditure at $job. "go home tired" sort of case, it's sad. i'd like to, e.g., among other matters (incl mkj log etc of course), write a very initial very to-be-criticized gossipd for udp/ip, using (kill me now) python twisted. i guess many live like this, savouring free time, with personal projects falling behind. [i rant today, because exhaustion + coffee infusion => wee bit psychedelic]
asciilifeform: anyway sloth is a sin, motherfuckers. the 2 (3?) dudes i gave esp8266 boards to at c3, have they powered'em up?
asciilifeform: Framedragger: at one time i suggested thermovoltaic device to mircea_popescu , he wrote entire article
asciilifeform: Framedragger: notice, you don't even need the external i/o pins
asciilifeform: Framedragger: the mega-feature was the all-in-one micro (just needs current source, a few milliamp) and unspeakable cheapness
mircea_popescu: ballas' celebrated "so you feel strongly about something, strong enough to not do anything" is just as much a statement. there's no lack of observation, it's just that piggy likes his truffle.
mircea_popescu: it's very much a destructive psychiatric condition ; harmful for self, harmful for others. smoke and don't do this, rather than don't smoke and do it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik the concept was first described by dan mocsny
mircea_popescu: the fundamental point of reddit & co, and the main reason to avoid them, is that they format people into this specific mode,
mircea_popescu: the only sane way to look at it is over BingoBoingo 's mayo-enabler pair.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: the sad part is that by "battling out" ideas in this wordspace, one gets a bit of serotonin rush, to feel *as if* they have actually done something material. i know i get this, at least. evolutionary side-effect, this whole "curiosity -> completion" gap used to be much larger, not it short-circuits easily. it sucks, need to make conscious effort to resist sinking into nihilistic bliss, i think. </rant>
asciilifeform: so that you aren't stuck having to talk about it over the degrading channel
mircea_popescu: the curse of this language space is that pretty much everything degrades by degrees into this wordy masturbation where people get excited over ideas then agree they can't be done then move on to the next.
mircea_popescu: that's the problem here - ideas are exciting, but for lack of practice western man has all but lost any knowledge of the actual excitement of actually doing things.
asciilifeform: historically successful ('not caught for years') radio pirates normally used either unattended devices, or fast, mobile stations on boats
a111: Logged on 2015-12-14 02:37 PeterL: so I was playing with the idea of http://trilema.com/2015/the-pgp-w-mode/
asciilifeform: Framedragger: pirates who don't use any crypto at all tend to have problems just the same, for 'tresspassing' on whatever sovereign's 'owned' spectrum.
asciilifeform: (alternatively for you to be fidel castro and 'go ahead and take my radio motherfuckers', which is what i originally thought this thread was to be about)
Framedragger: myeah, i know. but i also think it's only a matter of degree of effort: if i'm not important enough in their eyes, i'll be fine. if on the other hand i am, then they'll find a way to link me to station and will pay a visit. a.k.a. binary "are you important?" security model.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: no1 rule of pirate radio is for your arse to be nowhere near the transmitter.
Framedragger: i'd risk getting a visit from the spooks here, honestly been interested in viability of low bitrate (plain-encrypted, in my mind) radio exchange for a whole.
asciilifeform: can last much longer than balloon (the other obvious choice) at the cost of distance covered
asciilifeform: at any rate if mircea_popescu wants to build sw lighthouse on his dirigible, it'd be quite spiffy, not only do i not have any argument against it, but consider it the right and properly inevitable thing.
asciilifeform: you can have it broken prior to investing time of yourself and others in it, or after.
mircea_popescu: do not say it anymore ; or do. for all the difference it makes, you can pick either.
mircea_popescu: you say useless all the time for absolutely no reason ; and had a year's + worth of warning. too late to appeal this.
asciilifeform: ( unless i'm the intended receiver )
mircea_popescu: and the alf "useless" signal can be safely ignored. he's decided to shit in own mouth, what can you do.
mircea_popescu: as a sort of steganography. who the hell is going to prove that radio chatter is "not really what it seems"
mircea_popescu: markov chains can be used for the purpose of symmetrically "encrypting" ; make every byte a different word, it will be "plaintext"
mircea_popescu: ah also : re "encryption" : we CAN use the eliza involved in gossipd spec (anyone actually did this or just some quick napkin work and then forgot about ?) to eliza the actual emissions.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: so that's the thing, maybe prototyping gossipd designs over usual packet-switched internet is not even worth it?
asciilifeform: it is why i threw out all handshakes and other items that presume synchronous 2way, fast, and roughly symmetric link.
mircea_popescu: and i do recall it ; which proves that they aren't eh ?
mircea_popescu: there are no individual stations.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, because geodispersed. most of the time, sqrt n etc
mircea_popescu: ie, if you have 10k 10w stations rather than 100kw one, you will, if sanely handling errors, get a better channel from cluj to melbourne.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: and those will of course not have much bandwidth capacity. but i maintain that to usefully PoC the thing, you don't need much at all. jeebus, having a radio-based key server would be amazing already
mircea_popescu: yes, but lottery works for you when you got a lot of them.
mircea_popescu: something like that. except for the exact definition of short.
Framedragger: (consider a true radio relay, by which i mean a relay which sends, receives, and *passes on* messages received from one end to the other)
asciilifeform: hey short-range pirates are where it's at, because they make actual sense
Framedragger: "rather long distance" does not imply 100 kW afaik?
mircea_popescu: desperately needs it to be 100k because protecting some other unexamined notions this way!
a111: Logged on 2016-09-22 12:33 Framedragger: tty wifi dongles, but rather long distance shortwaves, etc.)
Framedragger: you don't need to cover the whole damn globe (ionosphere bounces notwithstanding). it's just a *node*
mircea_popescu: are there any stations even left that do 100kw in soviet us ?
mircea_popescu: by now it should be pretty self-evident, to you too. the moment one of these preconceived things gets out the mouth and then starts shapeshifting for dear life in conversation, you got an example.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no. they don't care ; it's you that have mental issues.
mircea_popescu: let them "guide the gasenwagen" at $100k to $20mn per guidance, untill they fall over.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it counts for 0, they only care about international tx
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the board is trivial
mircea_popescu: power the thing off battery, dump a bunch around people's houses.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, this suggests an extremely cheap way to fuck with the empire. produce mini board that outputs salt-hashed counter nonce, rsa and emit it.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger sure ; even noncompliant channels may have their uses. but still, in general you want to aim for a 30 kbps minimum.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ~nobody gives a shit about "there in usa". move.
asciilifeform: transmit something they can't decode, and they carefully guide the gasenwagen right to your house
mircea_popescu: 3.5kBps is the absolute minimum. about 30kbps
Framedragger: 10kbps, imho, would be *fine* for the beginning. enough for lighthoused PoC if there were to appear one later, enough to sync state, exchange keys, etc.
mircea_popescu: in any case : 1 mb blocks, 10 minute blocks, you therefore must have no less than
Framedragger: asciilifeform: no disagreement, hence the tone (happily masturbating each other, they are). point was, they're able to listen to each other rather easily
mircea_popescu: Framedragger not really data links, either
asciilifeform: Framedragger: they're capons
Framedragger: but all those radio amateurs happily listening to each other's callsigns around the globe - they don't have powerful stations do they?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform depends how much it costs. in any case, there's a relationship between required-density and square-of-radius.
mircea_popescu: in short : it wouldn't be wasted work, we'll certainly use it later ; it's not yet scheduled, but the scheduler isn't blocking in this sense.
Framedragger: that's the way it works, i guess. talk is easy
Framedragger: that's the thing, i wonder if a few points around the globe wouldn't be enough, in principle!
mircea_popescu: it is on the list, but first gotta have better geographic density of republican lords.
Framedragger: shortwaves bounce around the ionosphere and all that
mircea_popescu: however, costs money to operate hardware. what's the rush.
Framedragger: tty wifi dongles, but rather long distance shortwaves, etc.)
Framedragger: btw regarding "there is no sane NIC out there" problem and appreciating the fact that designing a whole proper NIC may not be an efficient effort ("ip stack should be eventually abandoned", lots of work, economies of scale at work in semiconductor production, whatnot), i wonder why asciilifeform hasn't considered investing time not in seeking a sane nic, but rather designing / using a sane transport protocol via *radio* (i don't mean shi
Framedragger: eventually metasploit the whole damn /0, etc
mircea_popescu: the deep point here being that this is a fundamental property of usgian "ghidusii" : the long tail of straggling losers.
Framedragger: actually, half the time you're probably speaking to an overcaffeinated framedragger
mircea_popescu: by now it's a 5 year old thing, if they were gonna do something about it they've had done by now.
mircea_popescu: what's the rush you know.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: absolutely - will do! though, those 22mil boxes have ssh running on them; there's prob a semi-quick way to get a broader "is it generally online" list, too. but, gotta start somewhere
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